Collapse of Earth's main ocean water circulation system is already happening
2 years ago by NocturnalMorning to c/news
Don't think I need to summarize this one. This should be world news right now. This is bad news for everyone.
People keep making the mistake of assuming he has thoughts and feelings like a regular human. He's more like a cat, simply a being of pure, unadulterated Id.
I was actually thinking about this last night. I was considering building a list of people that I should visit.
If we truly reach a point where the world becomes so horribly unlivable for so many people then I will go pay the people responsible a visit. They shouldn't be allowed to live a happily ever after in their climate compounds funded by their destruction of the planet.
They won't. The truth is biodome didnt work. They may stave off an extra 10-20 years underground but they are foolish if they think they will be spared. These effects span hundreds of years. This truly is our only sinking ship in an ocean of stars.
We always wondered what the great filter might be for the Fermi Paradox. Turns out one of the big ones is just that our petri dish is so delicate we can't advance very far without it collapsing immediately.
The point is to make things less bad. The oil mafia likes doomers who have already given up.
Short of blowing up oil infrastructure, what else should I be doing? I already eat less meat, work from home, buy renewable electricity, have a heat pump, avoid driving when I can, vote regularly, and don't fly and it's still not enough.
Individual actions are a distraction. Only collective action can change the course of society.
I highly recommend looking into what local groups are working on this issue in your area and sign up.
Good idea. If I’m gonna sabotage oil infrastructure I’ll need some help.
They're not a distraction. Lots of us have solar, eliminated fossil fuels in the home, use public transit, don't buy shit we don't need, etc. Thats literally collective action, and we need a lot more people to do it. Nobody is pretending like their single action is going to magically fix everything.
What does collective action mean to you? We have tax incentives for electrification as a result of policies borne from voting correctly in 2020 - now actually getting those solar panels is an individual action that magically doesn't matter? Or is it a result of collective action and it is ok?
Everyone should be doing as much as they possibly can given their means - personal and collective. It's not an either or.
I've been thinking that we need to create a voting block of people who will vote for climate emergency policies. Similar to how unions have political strength due to advising their members who to vote for, this organization would advise members on who in local elections is the best for positive climate initiatives.
I think a block of voters is needed because right now climate wasn't even an issue in the US election. We need to organise so that these policies are a target for politicians looking to obtain votes.
The Climate Action Network already exists. And considering the results of the last election they're not very effective.
pfft. im a doomer but im doing everything possible personally. reduce, reuse, recycle. just because I realize it won't ultimately make a differnce im still not going to be any more responsible for this shitshow than I have to be.
People can doom all they want, as long as they don't try to influence others.. I am so sick of the Trump won/Climate change won, guess it means we all just give up and bend over sentiment.
I swear "Don't Look Up" was supposed to be satire, not a fucking manual.
I don't know what we are supposed to do. It's not over, we still have a fight left on our hands. I'm just going to be depressed the rest of the day and hope my wife doesn't notice bcz it's her birthday. I'll figure out how I can help later.
I've seen a couple of articles from earth.com shared lately and they always have this clickbaity sensationalist tone. I don't like it.
Looking at the original publication this article is based on I don't understand much (I'm not a climate scientist myself), but one sentence stands out:
Whether global warming has affected the strength of this overturning circulation over the past century is still debated: observational studies suggest that there has been persistent weakening since the mid-twentieth century, whereas climate models systematically simulate a stable circulation.
The climate models we all know and predict how climate change will affect us all seem to work on the basis that these currents have a stable circulation that doesn't change, which doesn't seem to be the case. Therefore the climate models we've known until now might be wrong... and things could be even worse.
Thanks for actually reading the source. Here's a better description of the actual scenario https://youtu.be/tnVWUIhQ8dE?si=q3yueWx9d5jyC76s
Basically, yes, winters in Europe are mild bcz of the ocean currents. England, in particular, will start having seriously cold winters. The weather will also no longer be stable if this happens.
You are fear mongering. England temps would drop by a few degrees C and still be much milder than say, Boston
Helsinki will be fine https://youtu.be/tnVWUIhQ8dE?si=q3yueWx9d5jyC76s
Much farther up north, yeah probably
Yeah but now it’s just tomorrow
No https://youtu.be/tnVWUIhQ8dE?si=q3yueWx9d5jyC76s
But it will mean colder Europe and a collapse of marine ecosystems probably..
We should worry when the helicopters start falling out of the sky and the people freeze to death in seconds.
What brings warm winters to Europe is a warm northern Atlantic, and Mediterranean. This can still happen with a slower AMOC, and in fact is at record warmth these past 2 years, and a warm winter for Europe should be expected.
https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/todays-weather/?var_id=sstanom&ortho=1&wt=1
That AMOC may be slower is not stopping significant heat where the gulf stream flows. CO2 is making norther part of oceans hot without the gulf stream being fast, but hotter tropical water moving more slowly can still make for comparable heat dumped north.
The other major change happening last 2 years is that Arctic ocean freezing is thinner than previously. While Arctic ice volume set a major record low this past summer, the volume of meltwater flowing south was pretty steady with recent years, because the winter peak ice volume was also a record low. That winter ice volume is low primarily from ocean heat finding its way up to the Arctic in summer, and less due to extreme summer warm air temperatures.
The actual danger from slow AMOC, that is manifesting these last 2 years, is an extremely hot tropical Atlantic. Heat not moving away as fast as it is generated.
Thanks for the clarification. I was feeling pretty defeated reading this earlier today.
The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, or AMOC, is like a massive ocean conveyor belt that moves warm and cold water around the Atlantic Ocean.
So you're saying that global warming is making AMOC run amok?
Thanks, I needed this
And we're still obsessed with economic growth/metastasis 😂
"Herp derp don't worry! we'll just keep injecting steroids and nutrients directly into your tumor. It's the only way to save you. The tumor just needs to be so large that it will magically discover a way to keep metastasizing even larger... forever!"
Won't that absolutely kill me even faster?
"Oh, yeah probably. Who fucking cares though, growth!"
Fuck. What now?
I see lots of confusion and misinformation here. The gulf stream is not the AMOC. The AMOC does not start in the gulf stream, and the gulf stream will most definitely not shut down. Clarification here https://youtu.be/tnVWUIhQ8dE?si=q3yueWx9d5jyC76s
It's not as bad as everyone here is making it out to be. https://youtu.be/tnVWUIhQ8dE?si=q3yueWx9d5jyC76s
Sure, it's bad, but the AMOC is a small part of the gulf stream
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So? I can't WAIT until Trump takes Office and makes it ILLEGAL to MENTION Climate Change! It's not like it's going to kill the Majority of People through Dehydration Starvation and EXTREME Acts of Weather! It's all just PROPAGANDA to sell us SOLAR PANELS!
-Republicans who Breathe In Toxic Gas Fumes!
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