Summary
The fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has drawn attention due to the phrase “deny, defend, depose” reportedly written on the shooter’s ammunition, echoing criticism of insurer practices like “delay, deny, defend.”
UnitedHealthcare, one of the largest U.S. health insurers, has faced scrutiny over claim denials and delays, including a Senate report highlighting issues with Medicare Advantage prior authorizations.
The killing has sparked public outrage and dark humor on social media, reflecting widespread frustration with health insurers, which many blame for rising healthcare costs and access barriers.
https://www.amazon.com/... No they mean literally literally.
They’re similar to the phrase “delay, deny, defend” — the way some attorneys describe how insurers deny services and payment
I believe they were talking about this part of the article.
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
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“Sparked public outrage”
Only reference in article is a link to another story discussing outrage on social media in general. AP is pushing a capitalist agenda.
I personally haven’t seen any outrage. Just that dark humor.
I think you're misreading this sentence: I think it's clearly implying public outrage surrounding US health insurance, not about the killing itself. "The killing has sparked public outrage and dark humor on social media" pretty clearly implies to me that they mean the public outrage associated with the dark humor.
“Humor”
Lol, "humor"? People seem downright giddy, and it's not a joke at all.
"If there is any person in the town, who feels emotion caused by this man's death," said Scrooge quite agonised, "show that person to me, Spirit, I beseech you."
Somebody lost someone and they correctly identified the person most guilty. That is what these people and their undeserved money fear. They fear when the riots start the people don't trash their neighborhood for once but seek out those to blame and trash them. That is when you will see gun control become a priority.
Maybe you should re evaluate that. Like in 'are we the baddies?' style.
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I am certainly not saying the CEO was anything other than a bad guy. I'm talking about being anti-gun.
IE, 'if when a guy with a gun kills someone we all agree is bad, and your takeaway from that is 'yay now we can can the gun', maybe you aren't the anti-violence person you like to think you are.
Yeah, it’s bad to kill someone with a gun but it’s okay to kill thousands with an AI-enabled claims denier.
Not even slightly okay. I am shedding no tears for this asshole. My comment was directed at the user who is happy that this might lead to more gun control.
I've re evaluated. The CEO was still definitely the baddie.
Of course he was. Where did I say otherwise?
regulate them slightly
I would encourage you to educate yourself. If you honestly think there is not even slight regulation of gun ownership, then you are not informed on this issue.
If someone dies and everyone celebrates, maybe they are the baddie.
Not saying otherwise. I'm saying if your takeaway is that it's good to put more gun control, maybe you should reevaluate your position on gun control.
The killing has sparked public outrage
I legitimately haven't seen a single person upset other than someone posting a screenshot of Tim Walz doing the typical tweet of condolences
Weirdly, I've seen a few .ml usernames complaining about how killing people is always evil, and that we're evil for glorifying it
I assume those people are trolls of the contrarian category.
People are too thrilled to be upset by trolling attempts about the topic. That's actually impressive.
You got to read more of the sentence:
The killing has sparked public outrage and dark humor on social media, reflecting widespread frustration with health insurers
The outrage isn't about the killing. The outrage is about the health insurers. The killing is just the spark that got us all to talk about it.
Reading? On the internet? What is this, Barnes and Noble?
the phrase “deny, defend, depose” reportedly written on the shooter’s ammunition
This is likely in reference to a book that is highly critical of the medical insurance field called “Delay, Deny Defend”. Except here, the shooter actually did depose the CEO for his company’s actions.
"But guys, he could have had some other motive! We just dOn'T kNoW!!!!1!one!!!"
So, about that.
Just reach into the old grab-bag of engraved bullets I keep for just the occasion.
Motive roulette
I hope they never catch him.
Probably from out of state, not acting alone. He ran, got on a bike, probably to a waiting car to leave the city immediately. I heard he’s in Canada now.
Reading the article, it's either a poor choice of words on the part of the AP journalist, or a deliberate choice of words to muddy the situation when this inevitably gets compressed into a short reference memory as the news cycle moves on.
What's described is very much the outrage expressed against insurance practices re: medical care, part of the celebration of this guy's death.
If they catch this guy he will never see trial. No way they’d risk him getting up on the stand, and even less likely they’d want to try their luck getting twelve people to convict. He’ll go down in a hail of gunfire or get Epstein’d
No way they’d risk him getting up on the stand
Defendants don’t get up on the stand if they want any chance of a not guilt verdict.
and even less likely they’d want to try their luck getting twelve people to convict.
It’s not so unlikely. It ought to be, but it isn’t.
You think they’re willing to take the chance that the guy who assassinated a CEO with bullets with messages on them wouldn’t take the stand to deliver a monologue?
Yes. I think your perspective is through Hollywood-tinted glasses. When was the last time something like that happened in real life and actually had devastating effects on the ruling class?
I hope they don't catch him.
Chances are they find someone they can pass off as him and then take him out publicly enough that everyone just accepts that it must've been the guy.
Probably not the right call if this guy was planning to go vigilante and wasn't just upset at a loss he had to endure specifically because of united.
They'll just put some magic evidence on his web history.
All I've seen is celebration and laughter.
There's been no outrage. Maybe from a few bootlickers. But nobody who's opinion you should respect.
Hey, I'm outraged!
Outraged at the fact that the system is so fucking shitty someone felt the need to do this in retaliation.
The pigs hunting this soldier need to take note. There's a lot of angry, sick, and wronged people in the world, that these rich fucks are doing the evils to. We execute a CEO in broad daylight and within days another insurer planned to limit anesthesia. The board of directors will be getting executed next, the pigs need to get their heads out of their asses and realize who's side their on. They are currently standing where the enemy of the people stands. It's a dangerous place, and we are hungry.
They backed down on the anesthesia thing. They got scared.
Give them a month. They will put it back.
They absolutely will, as soon as the media spotlight is off them. Or, they’ll come up with an alternative cut to the health plans that’s even more cruel and profitable. It is what the system demands.
Which is where 99% of their membership seeks care, and now will not have this issue.
But yeah this sucks for the anesthesiologists at say, Mass General when someone from CT comes up to Boston for something complicated.
This is what is happening now that they can no longer squeeze groups or individuals for more cost share, for more premiums. No one can afford it. Then they try to get creative cutting services.
Unless you're the guy who pulled the trigger or helped him in some way, stop saying "we" while sitting safely behind your keyboard
The fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has drawn attention due to the phrase “deny, defend, depose” reportedly written on the shooter’s ammunition, echoing criticism of insurer practices like “delay, deny, defend.”
I'm guessing he didn't consider the LIFO nature of a clip when loading, and "depose" is his answer to "delay, deny, defend". So he put depose, defend, and deny into the CEO in that order
Kinda ironic he didn't have time to shoot "delay" when you think about it.
I thought you had to be wrong but I just checked and you’re right. They all mention “‘delay’, ‘deny’, and other words”. The only article published by The NY Times that included “depose” on the casings was in an opinion piece by Zaynep Tufekci published today that referenced the AP News articles.
Then came the reports that bullet casings bearing the words “delay,” “deny” and “depose” were found at the scene. “Delay” and “deny” clearly echo tactics insurers use to avoid paying claims. “Depose”? Well, that’s the sudden, forceful removal from a high position. Ah.
Was he using an Aperture Science designed gun, or did AP just use a stock photo for the article?
He was using a suppressor that looks like it wasn't installed correctly and the gun jammed multiple times. Clearing those jams resulted in several unfired rounds being ejected onto the ground.
Just screwing a can onto a threaded barrel on a tilt-barrel automatic can keep the gun from cycling properly. You often need to have a special adapter between the barrel and the supressor for it to operate.
Oh wow. I’ve never handled a suppressor myself, thought you just spun it onto a threaded barrel.
You can get away with that on guns without tilting barrels or moving slides most of the time. But between the weight of the supressor and possible interference with moving parts it can be an issue with something like a Glock.
You can usually get them installed in such a way. When I took my concealed weapons class in Florida years ago they handed us an old browning with a silencer like you speak of. They wanted to make sure everyone had at least fired a gun before giving them clearance to get a permit to hide one and carry it around in public with you everywhere. (Which you are not actually required to have ever fired a weapon before to acquire). At the time that one evening class I took would permit someone to carry concealed in 37 states.... That's how lax our gun laws are.
Suppressors have much stricter requirements in most states though. Although many people including the truck I drove behind earlier today seem to think those laws should be more lax.
So, he apparently wanted it read. So, it could either be a true motive or a setup to cover other reasons.
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