they don't even fucking know what abortion means.
pyre 31 points 2 years ago
yeah, i mean it's obvious because they keep saying aborting babies which semantically don't make sense. abortion refers to aborting the pregnancy. post-birth abortion is an oxymoron because there is no pregnancy post-birth.
TrickDacy 36 points 2 years ago
Right. They're willing to believe doctors are slitting infants' throats in order to justify their worldview. They don't even question if that's happening. A long time ago some woman on Facebook told me some absurd number of abortions that were happening every year. When I did the math, I found that if her number was true, that would mean literally on average, 40% of every woman on the planet capable of being pregnant was getting pregnant AND having an abortion. Every fucking year.
When I pointed that out to her, she basically shrugged and reiterated that it didn't matter about specifics, so many children were being murdered that it had to be the top priority to stop it.
How the fuck do you talk sense into someone willing to believe something absurd and then when basic math illustrates that the belief is absurd, they couldn't care less?
klemptor 33 points 2 years ago
My Catholic-ass mom reads a Catholic-ass newspaper and recently told me with complete confidence that Hillary Clinton was the "partial-birth abortion queen". How do you even have a conversation with someone who's ingested so much propaganda?
vaultdweller013 3 points 2 years ago
Gift them a birthing bed with a built in guillotine?
Jokes aside, this is why we should bring back fire bombs.
tootoughtoremember 33 points 2 years ago
"She can't even string a sentence together", said after her town hall late in the campaign.
It's like they never fucking listened to a single Trump rally.
captainlezbian 7 points 2 years ago
Say what you will about Trump he can definitely string a sentence together, hell he can't help himself from stringing 20 into one.
roofTophopper 1 point 2 years ago
Oh ya, they call that the"weaving" effect, as if it's some sort of special talent just for him. He can masterfully start talking, go off on twenty different subjects, and have them all flow together perfectly in his conclusion.
Sure, this can be done. Not by him.
captainlezbian 2 points 2 years ago
Yeah that's not a special talent, that's something people with adhd have to learn not to do
randon31415 92 points 2 years ago
Obama won his senate seat because his opponent had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Hillary and McCain.
Bill Clinton won the democratic primary because everyone thought Heart was going to win, then HE had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Bush.
Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden won their primary because "IT WAS THEIR TURN". Biden only won because Republican rigged it to suppress mail in voting, but that suppressed the wrong group in the wake of COVID. I think we all have our theories on Harris. My point: I think it is time for someone that isn't "THEIR TURN" to become our next nominee.
falcunculus 43 points 2 years ago
Biden won the highest turnout election in more than a century, and Al Gore's win was stolen by the Bush clique. This is gross reframing or even reimagining of events to suit your narrative.
Eatspancakes84 21 points 2 years ago
Al Gore is not like the others. Yes you might say he became the nominee because it was his turn. But, he also had extremely good policy ideas that were very different from “not being Trump “.
captainlezbian 13 points 2 years ago
And he won both the popular and electoral votes
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FlyingSquid 11 points 2 years ago
This rich vs. poor thing would be a hell of a lot more believable if there weren't so many poor people who were gigantic fucking bigots.
How do you mend a divide between people who exist and people who hate their existence?
spujb 5 points 2 years ago
by attacking the media structures and funding that manipulate them. (this is not a fix all solution. obviously. but it is taking action against the most materially funded arm of the propagation of conservative values. i hope it can be one of many tools leftists use to push for justice and dignity.)
FlyingSquid 2 points 2 years ago
Their parents manipulate them.
The "media structures" aren't the ones telling them to yell the F- word at queer people or just straight up murder them.
spujb 4 points 2 years ago
in a crazy twist, both parents and conservative media exist. and what world do you live in? i see conservative media call for homophobia and homophobic violence all the fucking time.
HawlSera 3 points 2 years ago
Do you think it's a coincidence our media is full of low quality "Woke Shit" that pretends to be progressive but is just the "Worst of Rainbow Capitalism"
That was those bastards manufacturing consent. "Sorry guys, we have to censor your media the gays made us do it!"
FlyingSquid 2 points 2 years ago
No, the real problem is hatred. Bigots hate the people they are bigoted against. That is not a rich vs. poor thing. I've gotten attacked by more than one poor bigot. Plenty of people from minority communities have.
This whole idea where everyone but the rich will get together and sing kumbaya and then win the class war and create a utopia is ridiculously naive and, as far as I can think, only comes from people who have never had a bigot get into their face and hate them because of who they are.
Asafum 20 points 2 years ago
It's not that strange when you consider they are a major tool in the class war. We do still have elections, and so whoever the ownership class can't buy they need to have their outlets convince us not to vote for.
There is no "unbiased" media when it's corporate media.
balderdash9 42 points 2 years ago
Sadly, a lot of them voted for Trump because they think he's going to "fix it". The sad thing is they just trust him to figure it out once in office.
BrainInABox -4 points 2 years ago
Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris != Why women ever
BrainInABox -4 points 2 years ago
Ok, but that's just vacuous hyperbole
forrgott 32 points 2 years ago
This is maybe oversimplifying things, however - I will never fully understand how somebody hears a candidate talk only about who they will hurt first, while their opposition talks about how to help the most people...and the guy who wants to increase the human suffering wins.
I mean, logically, yeah I guess I can understand. But at the same time, I will never get it. :P
Hammocks4All 14 points 2 years ago
I come from an immigrant family. We came legally, sure. But the fight is the same: provide a better life and better opportunities for the next generation.
It blows my mind how someone can change this to paint the immigrant as bad. All while there are American citizen business men hiring the immigrants. Go after the business men?
I don’t get it. Wouldn’t people want to look past the place of birth and look into someone’s character? Surely a person fighting for a better life for their family is more honorable than a businessman looking to cut corners.
I’ve met conservatives with such deep hatred for “illegals” that I sincerely cannot understand where they’re coming from.
forrgott 5 points 2 years ago
It's all about fear. If the propagandists can play on your fears, you will learn to hate whoever they tell you to; but there's also greed, which essentially is the fear of not having enough/more/whatever.
You see, money was not invented to be used as currency. Nor does it represent the "value of labor" or any of that crap. Money is fear made manifest. It only exists so that you will be afraid of not having enough. Even those sociopathic billionaires we all wanna eat only get that twisted and fucked up inside, just cause they're still afraid of money, or at least that someone else might have more (I think? You have to be a completely useless shitheel to amass that much wealth).
And finally, lack of a sense of personal responsibility. So much easier if it's someone else's fault you didn't make it big.
Oh, and the hatred of a conservative will never make sense. They have imported the thoughts and ideals of another whole cloth, all because they're afraid of being on the losing team. There is no logic to such things; it's a very insidious form of brainwashing.
itsonlygeorge 5 points 2 years ago
They have been sold a lie that all the changes in their life have been the fault of immigrants, poor people, technology etc. The life they were promised doesn’t exist anymore and they fear change, and they are provided with a scapegoat be it immigration or so called liberals. It is easier to fear and hate something than to look at the truth. The wealthy and elite have been steadily taking more and more in their greed and lust for power.
President Lyndon B. Johnson once said:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
This has just expanded a bit more to immigrants as well in recent decades.
forrgott 2 points 2 years ago
The hubris is terrifying, is it not?
I mean where is the endgame? To be so consumed by fear/hatred (same thing) that you willfully set society on a path to destruction, but to convince yourself your pile of invisible coins will save you from the consequences of trying to live on a dying planet.
BrainInABox -4 points 2 years ago
The Democrats candidates talked at length about how they were tougher on immigration, more supportive of Israel's genocide, and favoured by sadistic fascists like Dick Cheney. It was literally both parties arguing that they would be the ones to increase human suffering the most
BrainInABox -8 points 2 years ago
More compelling than your lazy ad-hominem
forrgott 4 points 2 years ago
Oh for fuck sake, really?
What the fuck ever; I'll still take the side that talks less about causing harm. Or any option other than Mr Orange Weirdo. The senile shit stain answers every question with a list of people he needs to cause harm to.
No, the Democrats are not "the same".
Also, maybe read the room and just delete your stupid account?
OsrsNeedsF2P 26 points 2 years ago
The Democrats are never able to pass these things while they're in power, though.
Like yes there is Obamacare and some loan forgiveness, but it's drops in the bucket compared to what Republicans are cooking up with Project 2025
Kalothar 23 points 2 years ago
That’s not the full picture, the republicans house and senate votes have a clear history of obstructionism for the last 30 years
Just look at any vote after George HW Bush and then compare that to public sentiment about what they are voting on.
Yeah, they can get project 2025 done because they brainwashed half of society to support them.
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captainlezbian 6 points 2 years ago
Then present a better option. Vote in the primaries. Start building support for a good 3rd party. Fucking hell start building a socialist revolution! Do something other than not voting and calling it a day
vaultdweller013 4 points 2 years ago
Hey dude, listing off a couple blue dogs and then saying random fucking words doesnt mean anything.
candyman337 14 points 2 years ago
Nah I think a lot of people would also be gloating, like obviously fuck trump, Kamala would have been better, they'd be gloating too
BrainInABox -1 points 2 years ago
Pretty disgusting to boil down peoples rightful criticism of Harris' support of genocide to just her "not being perfect"
DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago
In comparison, maybe.
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BrainInABox -1 points 2 years ago
Apparently it's "trolling" to think that continuation of Bidens genocidal policy in Gaza isn't "pretty damn good"
capital 14 points 2 years ago
Nah Lemmy would be bitching about Biden not cancelling student loan debt despite Trump judges being the ones blocking it.
“Status quo” wasn’t enough to get people off their asses. Well, we’re about to see the opposite of that. Congrats.
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TheReturnOfPEB 2 points 2 years ago
they would be celebrating the money
money makes humans forget about humanity
a nation of killers might be the one thing worse than a nation of slavers though they tend to work together
Kusimulkku -1 points 2 years ago
Who is this referring to, both those being killed and those celebrating it?
DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago
Liberals and fascists.
Kusimulkku 1 point 2 years ago
Fascist are celebrating how many liberals they'll get to kill? What's that referring to?
thanks_shakey_snake 1 point 2 years ago
I was wondering that too. Not arguing or denying, just not sure what they're referring to.
DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 2 years ago
Trump and his stated goals of ushering in American fascism.
Kusimulkku -1 points 2 years ago
Did they come out with a plan to kill people or what's this more specifically about?
PixellatedDave 3 points 2 years ago
You still don't understand that this isn't about left vs right, Red vs Blue, old Vs young, black Vs white.
While there are still people who are dying or just existing just to prop up the wealth of a few people then we all lose.
BrainInABox -2 points 2 years ago
I think you've misunderstood me because I agree with you 100% on that. Though I would argue that that IS left vs right.
PixellatedDave 1 point 2 years ago
We have the same issue in my country with conservative vs labour. They are two sides of the same coin really.
mholiv 44 points 2 years ago
This is literally provably false. Biden, for all his faults, pushed through a student loan cancelation program.
It was blocked by the Trump controlled Supreme Court.
Elections matter. If Trump didn’t put 3 Supreme Court justices in place to block it people would be better off.
Don’t both sides this. It might make you feel smart but it results in harm.
callouscomic -6 points 2 years ago
There's an argument to be made that Biden only pushed that stuff through knowing it'd get blocked. Long time tactic by politicians to introduce big things to look good when they know it'll fail, yet it's rarely introduced during times when they had full control.
Allonzee 0 points 2 years ago
Ooh the ACA!
You mean that Heritage Foundation created Healthcare band-aid that was originally implemented by a Republican governor that bent over backwards to further enshrine for profit private insurers, like United Healthcare, in our perverse deathcare system where the primary issue was the profit motive making American Healthcare unsustainably expensive with the some of the poorest results in the developed world because greed?
That plan Obama instutituted after the people screamed "Please help us supposedly leftwing Obama from this for profit healthcare hellscape! Here have a super majority!"
👏Yeah, that worked a treat, Americans are really satisfied with their healthcare now.
Now go ahead and tell me about how they couldn't whip Joe Manchin into shape so it's all they could do, because there's always an excuse. Decade after decade passes, and the people are told they just need to be more patient. Maybe they'll decide to make an equitable economy and non-exploitative Healthcare in a few thousand years.
Good fucking grift, by both parties. Left and right since Reagan have been little more than a sideshow to distract from class occupation, class subjugation, and class slaughter for profit.
I vote blue out of the tiniest of harm reduction, not hope, because rainbow ribbons are preferable to kids in cages in this dystopia, but don't kid yourself on their social issue bickering, they take the same orders from the same bribers on the economy.
We don't get a vote that would cost the owners significant blood money. They own this fucking place, and all of us.
technocrit -23 points 2 years ago
This is literally provably false. Biden, for all his faults, pushed through a student loan cancelation program.
It was blocked by the Trump controlled Supreme Court.
lol.
mholiv 9 points 2 years ago
You might be privileged or young enough where you didn’t have to think about it but yah. You could literally sign up. The program was up and running. Many of my friends signed up and were happy and excited.
Only after it was up and running was it shut down. So yah. Biden did push it through. And yah. The Trump Supreme Court did stop it.
Sharpiemarker 9 points 2 years ago
Hey check out this "both sides bad" centrism over here.
GhiLA 4 points 2 years ago
If the Democrat party is the best we can come up with barring some gasoline, they deserve to lie the same pile as the conservatives when the bodies start piling up.
They serve themselves, and on many occasions step aside to let fascism do its thing. Controlled opposition. You all just eat it up.
The spineless Democratic party. Let chaos reign.
Reminder. He pardoned his drug addict son, and you're going to starve to death.
Milk_Sheikh 7 points 2 years ago
Exactly. “My nepo failson” was the issue he was willing to defy norms and undercut institutions for, feeding directly into Trumps line that the justice department has been politicized in prosecutions. He didn’t cross that line for;
- Palestine
- Student loan forgiveness
- Budget negotiations/default
- Supreme Court expansion
- Judicial reform/integrity
- Corporate greed excess leading to toxic rail spills or children working in slaughterhouses
The Republicans fight hard and dirty, playing from all angles and he slid backs and took it from them on multiple fronts. Sinema/Manchin holding up a vote? Trump has all his toadies marching to the same music, why can’t we? Tuberville playing obstruction in the Senate? It’s called the bully pulpit for a reason, whilst the president has no actual legislative power he can put a Senator under the microscope if he desired. Biden had no sustained fight in him
someguy3 9 points 2 years ago
Lol except the dems literally gave the ACA and student debt forgiveness. Want more? Then give them more victories. They need all 3 house of representatives, Senate, and presidency to pass things and they've had that for only 6 years of the last 44 years.
inv3r510n 1 point 2 years ago
The heritage foundation made the ACA for mitt Romney when he was governor of mass. It’s a right wing piece of legislation that was a handout to insurance companies and not universal healthcare.
Student debt? They forgave what, 1% of the absolute worst loans from schools that no longer exist and were committing fraud? Or are you talking about the forgiveness program that denies 99% of applicants?
someguy3 4 points 2 years ago
Want more? Then give them more victories. They need all 3 house of representatives, Senate, and presidency to pass things and they’ve had that for only 6 years of the last 44 years.
And so what's his name can't water it down. *Lieberman.
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Jeremyward 6 points 2 years ago
The brainwashing is real
chetradley 4 points 2 years ago
???
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Tartas1995 27 points 2 years ago
I remember people being happy that everyone got "Obamacare" and everyone includes republicans.
I haven't seen any suggested policies that said "everyone but republicans should get ...". But there were a few about e.g. giving children "free" lunch in school to ensure children have at least 1 meal per day. No one wanted to check if the parent of the child is a republican or if the child was. In fact, when the program was running for a little while, every child got their "free" meal.
Yes, people celebrated that republican got healthcare because that is what everyone means. Republicans are part of everyone.
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Tartas1995 20 points 2 years ago
What kind of weird mental gymnastics is that?
Do you think people don't know that republicans are included in "everyone"?
So, just to be clear, if you would celebrate your child amazing school report, you aren't celebrating their A in math? Because you are celebrating the school report and not the math grade?
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thermal_shock 10 points 2 years ago
I'd rather not have to celebrate basic human items like healthcare than someone celebrating killing anyone not like them (trans, gay, had abortion, not white male).
in other words, FUCK OFF.
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thermal_shock 13 points 2 years ago
crazy ass republicans are.
Bumblefumble 12 points 2 years ago
Your body, my choice.
I mean, people quite obviously are.
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