True, hopefully it will backfire.

Except all they have done is make him a martyr, and now anyone who wants to be infamous is more likely to do something.

The death penalty has not been executed in NY/federal court for decades right? Doesn’t seem like an actual threat. What they want to achieve is a good negotiating position for a plea bargain because they known a trial will be a shitshow.

Yeah, first degree requires a deep look into the motives, which is really good for him.

Here's some legal analysis by legal eagle https://youtu.be/vXkH-G_8xew

Except in every step things can develop the ways you haven't thought about.

And courtroom shows are kinda common enough in movies and even in reality. People will have strong feelings, but this doesn't seem a major thing for many.

So - too much copium. I hope you are right and I am wrong, of course.

I, too, watched Legal Eagle's video.

That isn't tinfoil-hat at all. I was reading a news story recently about how worried they are that they'll have trouble finding impartial jurors, since there's so much sympathy for him.

That's normal though. I mean it shouldn't be, but they always go as hard as they can hoping you'll plead guilty to avoid a trial. When they say the death penalty is meant to dissuade criminals, they know it doesn't work on crimes. It works on getting guilty pleas.

They haven't said they are seeking the death penalty. They have charged him with a crime where they could seek it.

But I agree they're pushing for a deal.

Then we need to make him a saint.

St. Luigi of Baltimore, forgive us our debts, deliver us from the greed of the wicked...

Looks like it.

Adding "Mangione gets a shrine" to my 2025 bingo

That.doesnt work out historically for them.

I kind of think they don’t know what to do about this.

It doesn’t seem smart for them to make him a martyr. Doesn’t seem smart to Epstein him.

Who are "they"?

The !ExtremelyInfuriating@lemmy.world community seemed dead so I posted it here instead.

To put it mildly. 😋

I might be confused by your comment and not understanding it properly so excuse me if I'm just not understanding right.

Are you saying that all the school shooters in America did not actively plan to kill all of those children and/or teenagers?
School shooters took a gun to a school and started open firing on children who were no threat and never even had a chance to grow up and hurt anyone.

This guy planned it out, killing one adult who was responsible for the deaths of a lot of fellow Americans while he got richer and richer from their suffering and deaths.

Yeah, killing him seems like the best way to get riots all over the country...

So... in Finland "democracy" and "violence" are the same thing? xD

Väki also means (or at least used to) 'power' or 'strong' (väkivahva, väkijuoma...) and that's also where the etymology for 'väkivalta' comes from. So it's got nothing to do with people.

We're in a pretty nice bubble here on Lemmy and the fediverse. There's a LOT of bootlickers who happily want him convicted

For that very reason... He will never see a jury. This will be decided by ONE judge...

Who has already written his poinion

He spoke the truth but most of us were too young to understand but how did boomers miss these money shots.

They were the audience

We have the Russian "and then it got worse" do nothing attitude. We aren't even gonna try to do anything till its far too late.

Protests within US are limited to major cities otherwise logistics are fucked due to suburb lay out of the most of the country.

Also, most of are just too docile, it ain't an issue I til they personally get fucked.

We would, but most of us are too unhealthy from lack of access to affordable healthcare and can lose our jobs if we try to take time off work.

Tinfoil hat time. Our government fucking hates our asses. Lower class? Get shot, die from preventable diseases, whatever, just do it quietly so it doesn't bother the wealthy while they grease each other's palms.

When we have protests large enough to get noticed, we get attacked by the police. Why should the protesters have to suffer? Make the oppressors suffer instead.

In this case, I wouldn't even call Luigi a killer. He's a hero, if any.

The feds also indicted him. There's zero chance a Trump AG isn't going to be pushing for the death penalty. What they cannot seem to understand is that this will only make him a martyr. They should have just given him the standard NY Murder II conviction any other killer would get, but they just couldn't help themselves. They had to really send a message to the proles.

All they will succeed in doing is elevating him to outright sainthood.

He's askari getting federal charges. Those do.

Of the adult school shooters, which is most of them anyway, try and find a handful.

He’s an adult. Parents get charged when they don’t properly secure their firearms from their minor child, which isn’t what is being alleged here. It’s not really comparable.

He is old enough to have to buy his own health insurance lol

Yeah, because the US "justice" system famously never treats juvenile defendants as adults in order to mete out draconian punishment that eliminates all chances for rehabilitation..

Also, most school shooters don't survive.

https://apnews.com/...

That doesn't mean they can't be tried as terrorists. The main problem here is actually whether or not the facts of the crime actually allow for a terrorism charge. Fact is, he had a manifesto (see ideological goals), and the shooting was a violent criminal act.

According to the FBI that's all it takes. It may also be what is lacking in the case of some school shooters.

While I am generally on the side of "CEO FAFO", I recognize that the problem here is that the FBI and the laws they follow are flawed (probably deliberately) in such a way that they only target those who target the wealthy.

Shooting up a school is an act of terrorism if you do it because you're targeting a soft target in an attempt to hurt the local, state or federal government or you're religiously motivated etc. But not if you were bullied.

There's been plenty of over 18 mass shooters who also haven't been charged with terrorism. And with each one there's people who will say they don't want the US to become more of a police state because they believe that counterterrorism techniques (which we use internationally) shouldn't be used against the general population.

The federal government has a habit of overstepping the rights and freedoms of the general public any time they feel like they are under attack. We saw this with 9/11 and the Patriot act. So I can see their reasoning even if I don't agree that mass shooters should be considered terrorists under the law.

I mean Luigi barely counts.

That’s how they’re justifying the federal charges, because he went from one state to the next, and he used the internet.

If he isn't the killer, why did he have the same gun as the killer and a notebook detailing who he was going to kill and how he was going to do it?