Welcome ex-Redditors!

2 years ago by cm0002 to c/fedimemes

Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It's nice and cozy here, we do have some "bad parts of town" but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol

For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz

You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)

There's much more around as well!

Obligatory, fuck Spez

pelespirit 97 points 2 years ago

Also, it defaults to "Active" view, which is the least updated. You can set your posts to "Hot" and then switch between "Top 6 Hours" and "Top 12 Hours" to get the most of your experience here. It will seem dead with the default.

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secret300 42 points 2 years ago

I usually sort by new comments. Sometimes you'll see 1 year old post still active in the comments. It's neat

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brbposting 11 points 2 years ago

Game changer

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danc4498 15 points 2 years ago

I still wish there was a better sort algorithm. Nothing compares to Reddit’s front page algorithm. I usually cycle between hot and top 12 hours.

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Saleh 13 points 2 years ago

I think it is good that we don't have reddits front page algorithm. I want to stay in charge of curating my feed and prefer there not to be intransparent fuckery in the background.

I want to know that a post with 850 upvotes has indeed been upvoted by 900 accounts and downvoted by 50 accounts, instead of some weird calculations up- or downscaling it.

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danc4498 9 points 2 years ago

I’m definitely not saying the algorithm should be a hidden secret, or lie about the up/down vote count. It is all open source of course!

Reddit had this sweet spot where it could push some trending posts to the top of the page within 30 minutes, but also let a story sit for a few hours while it was getting lots of engagement. But generally there is a new front page every few hours or so.

The only way I can get this is by alternating between hot and top 12 hours. But even this is nowhere near as good as the Reddit algorithm.

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deedan06_ 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah, redfots hot algorthym has been finetuned to perfection

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smeg 3 points 2 years ago

intransparent

Opaque?

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Saleh 3 points 2 years ago

I checked a translator. In my main language intransparent is the typical term to mean the opposite of transparency in the context of actions of politicans, institutions, etc. The word seem to exist in English but not really used like this.

How would you refer to something, where the information is withheld, even though it should be available information to legitimize the way something is handled, i.e. a government agency?

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veroxii 6 points 2 years ago

Top 6 and ALL is where it's at.

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oleorun 47 points 2 years ago

There's even some instances with old reddit-like styling/formatting, if you're into that sort of thing.

I'll pimp my example: https://old.lemmy.fan/

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Blaze 23 points 2 years ago

https://oldsh.itjust.works/

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DavidGA 11 points 2 years ago

https://old.lemmy.world/

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Emperor 8 points 2 years ago

Given the instance we are on: https://old.feddit.uk/

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adarza 5 points 2 years ago

i've only ever used https://old.lemmy.ca/

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wise_pancake 1 point 2 years ago

That works great on mobile!

Man Reddit really has something with that old UI. The new one runs like trash.

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Flickerby 2 points 2 years ago

The Connect app is based off RiF. Best Lemmy app by far

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Empricorn 1 point 2 years ago

I loved RiF, but think Sync is better than Connect.

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mosiacmango 2 points 2 years ago

Sync hasn't been updated in 11 months counting. The bugs are adding up and the dev is more mia than ever, even when charging monthly fees.

I swapped to Summit a couple months back. It's been a huge improvement. All of the "lemmy" issues I thought I had disappeared.

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Empricorn 1 point 2 years ago

Is that true!? Wow, maybe I will check out other options. I've just spent so much time customizing all the options to get it juuuust right...

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USSEthernet 1 point 2 years ago

https://old.startrek.website/

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Winterfrost 37 points 2 years ago

I'm really liking it here!

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Blaze 8 points 2 years ago

Welcome!

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Winterfrost 10 points 2 years ago

Glad to be here!!

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Winterfrost 5 points 2 years ago

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WrenFeathers 6 points 2 years ago

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Emperor 29 points 2 years ago

For help migrating: !growthefediverse@slrpnk.net

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Blaze 6 points 2 years ago

This name should really be changed to something else

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Emperor 9 points 2 years ago

They've changed the display name but the ID can't be altered as, I presume, it counts as the address.

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Blaze 8 points 2 years ago

Would be a good opportunity to try out the concept of migration, which is the new name of the community

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Emperor 4 points 2 years ago

Fair.

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blind3rdeye 28 points 2 years ago

For awhile I thought that there were stacks of people on lemmy.world constantly complaining about tankies. But now I'm starting to realise that most of the posts are from this one dude, cm0002. Frankly, it's a little bit weird.

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serfraser 12 points 2 years ago

Watching him 'help' the fediverse grow by constantly trying to divide and ostracise people would be ironic if it wasn't so obviously dumb

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Blaze 11 points 2 years ago

Definitely a hobby of his

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fwdbias 5 points 2 years ago

Or a job....

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bishbosh 4 points 2 years ago

I feel like professionals would be better at it.

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DragonTypeWyvern 4 points 2 years ago

Troll farm types usually don't post as much casual content as he does.

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ZombiFrancis 5 points 2 years ago

This whole topic has been the crusade of like two or three people.

The result is mostly just a fourth person being able to post shit like breibart without harassment.

Lemmy is still rather small.

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VARXBLE 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah its pretty pathetic.

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Vivendi -1 points 2 years ago

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Carl 28 points 2 years ago

You can tell they're communists cuz they live rent free in the heads of every .world user.

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amino 16 points 2 years ago

calling tankies communists is like calling Scandinavia socialist

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Kusimulkku 10 points 2 years ago

I think people are just bothered because they're tankies

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bishbosh -1 points 2 years ago

idk, with how folks call out others for being a tankie, it sounds a lot more like the new pinko

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Kusimulkku 1 point 2 years ago

I guess if the person being called a pinko was a socialist. Pejorative for sure but not wrong.

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WrenFeathers 1 point 2 years ago

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technocrit -7 points 2 years ago

There’s no reality in which anyone or anything is rent free in our heads.

Wow somebody is a big reality understander. Impressive.

(Seriously tho it's called a metaphor.)

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WrenFeathers 6 points 2 years ago

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tpihkal 25 points 2 years ago

I don't know why I would block Lemmy.ml when it's more entertaining to get banned from their communities one by one!

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Gullible 29 points 2 years ago

One by one? Dessalines blanket bans you from everything if you break one of their unwritten rules. Relatedly, just write out your rules. Stop trying to be sneaky-deeky. It’s ridiculous, having ultra secret rules like some sort of boy’s club. Be up front about it. It surely doesn’t take long to write “avoid questioning China or Russia” in the sidebar

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tpihkal 1 point 2 years ago

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cm0002 5 points 2 years ago

Yea, getting site-banned is also fun, I can make posts like these and none of the .ml tankies can see it outside their alts LMAOOO

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ArsonButCute 21 points 2 years ago

Former tankie turned anarchist. Talk to the Tankies. Learn from them, they have points.

Engles is full of shit ("On Authority" is little more than a business owner complaining that people don't like authority, and using natural laws of the universe to justify its existence by diluting the definition of authority such that any type of power over anything is considered authority. While this is not technically incorrect, it is a gross oversimplification of what authority means) and is the primary basis for how authority is justified on the Auth left.

But when they tell you to read something, go read it. They shitpost hard, don't eat the onion, don't feed the trolls, but engage in genuine conversation *recognizing that you will never agree and using it as a learning experience *

edit: spelling error

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ArsonButCute 32 points 2 years ago

I like to think of tankies as Anakin Skywalker in that scene on the Grass with Padme. Anakin is gently explaining his hopes for the future, the wonderful world he wants to build, but when asked if people disagree he says "then they'll be made to", revealing his authoritarian streak. To anakin, like the tankie, seems obvious that an ultimate authority is necessary to shepherd the people into their eventual utopia, by force if necessary.

Many recognize the goal of a far left state is to whither and die, but the tankie forgets that power begets power. A dictatorship of the prolietariat is all well and good until a well spoken wolf in the finest wool takes the reigns. Power does not corrupt; rather i believe it is corruption that seeks power, and like dragons those corrupted by power will not give it up, and will do anything for more.

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cm0002 12 points 2 years ago

This right here (I'm stealing it lmao)

I personally would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime and the rise of "The Star Trek Economics" which IMO is a fantastic example of a realistic equal capitalism-free future. Not so perfect as to fall into the "Utopia that's really a Dystopia in disguise" problem, but still a future worth striving for.

All current or past examples of Communism generally involve the sacrifice of personal rights and freedoms to some degree.

ETA: As far as engaging with them goes, I did for a while, multiple times in fact. Once you go beyond their surface level talking points the Authoritarian in them comes out and they will not criticize China/Russia in any shape or form no matter how deserving.

It's really only been the last few months that I've actually been proactive against them because now I see the damage they do to the Lemmy-verse with their propaganda and misinformation.

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MalikMuaddibSoong 4 points 2 years ago

I personally would love to see the fall of capitalism in my lifetime and the rise of “The Star Trek Economics” which IMO is a fantastic example of a realistic equal capitalism-free future.

To boldly go where money has no power over biology 💪

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Khlo 20 points 2 years ago

Wait, what's wrong with Hexbear? I'm new to Lemmy and read the code of conduct and TOS of Hexbear and it just seems like they're leftist? I was thinking about registering there 😅

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null 40 points 2 years ago

Lemmy can be a bit of a culture shock when you come from Reddit. If someone calls you a libtard on Reddit, it's because they think you're a leftist. If someone calls you one on Lemmy, it's because they think you're too far to the right of them.

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Khlo 7 points 2 years ago

Sooo are the users over at Hexbear considered libtards over here on Lemmy?

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bishbosh 28 points 2 years ago

Nooo the users on Hexbear are the ones calling others libs for being too far to the right. Though I don't know how prolific libtard is, just because of the ableism.

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Khlo 7 points 2 years ago

That makes so much more sense. Thank you for the insight!

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PM_Your_Nudes_Please 9 points 2 years ago

No, the opposite; They’re so far left that leftists aren’t left enough.

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DragonTypeWyvern -2 points 2 years ago

If someone calls you a libtard it's because they're an ableist POS, and probably a larping conservative.

The proper term for "centrists" from leftists is "shitlib."

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Jamablaya 2 points 2 years ago

And you wonder why your type are considered insufferable.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -2 points 2 years ago

Leftists are just jealous that liberals get into office pretty consistently.

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bishbosh 19 points 2 years ago

When r/chapotraphouse got banned they moved to what is now hexbear. If you didn't like r/cth you won't like hexbear, and lots of folks don't like r/cth.

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Khlo 14 points 2 years ago

So here's the thing... im so new i have no idea what r/chapotraphouse is

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bishbosh 18 points 2 years ago

Fair and valid, and I envy your brain. They were a shitposter sub on reddit, sorta based on the dirtbag podcast of the same name. They were criticized for brigading and dog piling folks they disagreed with, and largely have a mentality of treating what they see as bad faith with mockery.

All that being said, if you think memes about China taking over the US is funny, they are a fun, active community. Though using it as your primary instance can be a big of a difficulty because lots of other instances block them.

Really I've found lemm.ee to be a good home, and you can still see all the posts there and see if it clicks for you.

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Khlo 9 points 2 years ago

For right now lemm.ee is my home! I was just looking at the other instances to see if their ideologies better fit mine.

To be clear, I self-identify as liberal, and i am trans. I noticed the c/traaaaa... community on Hexbear seems to be the biggest of the bunch, and that was my favorite sub on reddit, so I started looking in to Hexbear

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cm0002 18 points 2 years ago

They are not actually left, they are authoritarian communists and will defend Chinas CCP and Putin as well as spread the propaganda/misinfo out of there. And if you dare post anything critical of them, no matter how many good sources you give or how factual it is they'll write it off as "CIA propaganda", remove it and ban you under their catch-all "Rule 1: Bigotry"

If you want to see more check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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Sunshine 8 points 2 years ago

If you criticize the chinese communist party you will be labled a sinophobe on Hexbear.

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ZombiFrancis 1 point 2 years ago

"I'm doing my part!"

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JackbyDev 1 point 2 years ago

Hexbear users are generally more vocal with their opinions and call people out for problematic opinions. Because not everyone shares Hexbear users' opinions it can come across as very aggressive. My instance has been defederated with them for a while so it's hard to say exactly what it is like now, but that's the gist.

I had plenty of positive interactions with them too and enjoyed their communities. It's easier to notice the one really unenjoyable interaction with someone than the dozens of somewhat positive ones though.

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Khlo 4 points 2 years ago

It's a shame that many instancss defederated with Hexbear and vice-versa... definitely makes having alt accounts necessary so users can get the most out of Lemmy

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domdanial 0 points 2 years ago

I blocked hexbear after getting in too many stupid arguments with their users. The final straw was an argument where they said "owning a personal washer, dryer and vacuum isn't communist enough" and I just gave up and blocked the bunch. Lot less grief in my feed after that.

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Realitaetsverlust 0 points 2 years ago

Nobody on hexbear is sane. One of the worst Lemmy instances. Many other instances already defederated from it and I can honestly just advice you to not interact with them.

If anyone from hexbear insults you, it's a good thing. That means you're still human.

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straightjorkin 1 point 2 years ago

I'm new, trying to get a hold of the lingo, is instance like, reference to the server they usually post through? Or like, lemmys equivalent to a sub reddit? What does it mean to defedrate?

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Realitaetsverlust 5 points 2 years ago

reference to the server they usually post through

Roughly, yes. Imagine there isn't just one reddit, but multiple reddits, all with their own users, sub-reddits and eventually even rules. Now all these multiple reddits can "talk" to each other. That's why I'm on lemmy.zip and I can see a post someone hast posted on lemm.ee - that is federation. Saved on different servers, but looks like one coherent feed.

Defederation means that an admin of an instance excludes one or more instances from communicating with his. I'm not 100% sure what every implication is, but roughly, the instances can't communicate with each other, so if lemmy.world defederates from lemmy.zip, for example, we could not have this conversation right now. You also would not see any posts from lemmy.zip and I would not see any from lemmy.world

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straightjorkin 3 points 2 years ago

I see, thank you very much!

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sexy_peach 20 points 2 years ago

I was on Lemmy when lemmy.ml was the biggest server and I'm glad that despite the biggest server being tankie nominated Lemmy could grow into what it is today.

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Not_mikey 19 points 2 years ago

Man you're getting worse than the hexbear edgelords who just shit on the liberals all day, except at least they're yelling at people in power and not some extremely marginal leftists who would be shot before they could ever take a seat in politics.

A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don't like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.

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cm0002 23 points 2 years ago

A good rule of politics is if someone or an ideology that you don't like and they have no power or connection to power just ignore them, especially if there on your side for 90% of actual relevant issues. Not theoretical issues that may pop up after the revolution that may never come.

Sounds good, except I believe them to be actively harmful to the reputation of the Lemmy-verse, so it's important to make a clear stand, if total defederation isn't happening.

I'd rather not Lemmy end up as another Voat. I've already seen tons of stories from the original rexit of "I tried Lemmy, but .ml/hex/grad seemed cringy/hostile so I left"

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Saleh 4 points 2 years ago

I think that people who choose corporate media, where /r/the_donald sentiments are actively reinforced by the corporation, over lemmy, because they found hex/grad/ml users "cringe/hostile" are not comparing things on a neutral basis.

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9bananas 7 points 2 years ago

you're entirely right, but...have you met people?

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Carl -9 points 2 years ago

the reputation of the Lemmy-verse

As long as the main devs of Lemmy are Dessalines and other communists, then the reputation of the Lemmy-verse being tied to a bunch of highly communist instances is just an objectively correct fact. Liberals are free to fork their own version of the software and call it something else.

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cm0002 12 points 2 years ago

Tankies, they're tankies, there's nothing wrong with the theory of communism. What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes

And also, there's nothing Tankie about Lemmy itself. It's just computer code that is a Reddit-like link aggregator. It falls under separating the art from the artist. And because it's open source, there's no concern of financially supporting it either from its use (unless you make an explicit choice to donate)

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rah -10 points 2 years ago

there's nothing wrong with the theory of communism

sremoved**

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bobr -13 points 2 years ago

What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes

That's exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.

When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky's regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?

That's a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it's never "authoritarianism bad" or "Nazism bad" or "human rights violations bad" or anything like this - it's only bad when the other side is doing it. When "the good guys" are doing it, it's not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.

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Carl -15 points 2 years ago

I just think there's a contradiction in a) continuing to use a platform that is developed primarily by Communists and b) thinking that the platform being associated with Communists "actively harmful to the reputation of the Lemmyverse". The fact is that the Lemmyverse is associated with Communists - or "tankies" as you insist on calling them - and so if that's its reputation then the reputation is accurate.

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Krauerking 16 points 2 years ago

Weird post.

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xapr 8 points 2 years ago

Most definitely. I'm getting pretty sick and tired of the constant complaining about those Lemmy instances.

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Saltycracker -8 points 2 years ago

Ironically the founder and programmer is a communist

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amino 11 points 2 years ago

tankies aren't communists. Marx would've laughed at authoritarians calling themselves communists

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surph_ninja -10 points 2 years ago

They aren’t tankies though. That’s just a label applied by everyone else when the communists point out supporting Nazis is bad.

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amino 11 points 2 years ago

anyone who supports China isn't a communist, end of discussion. you couldn't define communism even with Das Kapital in front of you

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oysterenjoyer 15 points 2 years ago

I'm kinda new to the fediverse. What did lemmy.ml do?

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Quill7513 43 points 2 years ago

their admins (the maintainers of the lemmy codebase) are tankies (authoritarian communists who believe the USSR was justified in quashing Hungarian protests against human rights abuses with violence). they take any criticism of the people's republic of china's government as sinophobia and have some weird opinions about the fascist government of the russian federation (effectively their explanation is that moscow achieved communist utopia in 1918 and therefor cannot backslde into a worse form of government despite overwhelming evidence that the potato shaped dickhead who sits atop the throne of skulls in moscow is maybe possibly perhaps a war criminal)

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DrDickHandler 1 point 2 years ago

If the Lemmy programmers are freaks, how does that bode well for the future? Seems like Lemmy is already doomed.

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chuymatt 8 points 2 years ago

OSS gives us the option of forking the code and going a better way, if needed.

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Not_mikey 21 points 2 years ago

I'd recommend visiting it or joining an instance that federates with it at least. The liberals like to make it out to be a communist propaganda machine but most of the content is memes, oss, and general left wing / anti-US stuff. They will ban you on some communities if you bring up tianemen square or uyghurs though, so that sucks, but otherwise most of the content / users on there are decent.

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AnarchoSnowPlow 24 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I haven't had issues with them generally speaking myself, if you're a leftist you'll find comrades. But also, it's important to remember that every instance is essentially its own little fiefdom, so you'll have to follow whatever arbitrary rules they have.

I caught a ban on .world for mentioning Jury Nullification. That was a fun time, from the people who complain about freeze peach constantly.

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MutilationWave 7 points 2 years ago

Luckily they backed off their stance on those conversations.

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mkwt 5 points 2 years ago

I wonder if some of that was admins in NL somewhat inexperienced with commonwealth-style legal systems.

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surph_ninja -14 points 2 years ago

Because the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur claims have all been debunked. Even the intelligence orgs admitted they don’t have any evidence. Why allow the same debunked propaganda to be reposted by bots over and over?

Do you have some evidence you’d like to present?

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chuymatt 11 points 2 years ago

Tiananmen Square was debunked?

I mean, I was alive when the pics came out. Been aware of the censorship. Had friends from China and friends who worked there tell me about the complete avoidance of the subject.

Oh, and I’m not a bot, though you could be protecting your psyche by saying everyone who pushes back on this is.

It is just as foolish to not admit to the atrocities done by one government as it is for any other.

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surph_ninja -12 points 2 years ago

https://www.liberationnews.org/...

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cm0002 11 points 2 years ago

Also, you can go-to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works and check out the pinned posts, Nutomic lead dev, Tankie, and .ml head admin is basically a transphobe on top (receipts in the second pinned post)

They'll also remove posts and ban you under their favorite catch-all "Rule 1 Bigotry" for anything critical of China/Russia

If you talk Ill of them, even on other instances comms they'll site-ban you. So basically like how Reddit mods of ol used to ban you for participation in unrelated subs.

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darkdemize 13 points 2 years ago

You have been banned from r/pyongyang.

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homesweethomeMrL -15 points 2 years ago

They helped elect trump

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Hegar 12 points 2 years ago

You're blaming people who shoot their mouths off online for a fascist coup orchestrated by russian and US oligarchs?

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homesweethomeMrL 3 points 2 years ago

Ummmm . . . Yyyyyes.

Yeah, they were bigly into making sure trump won.

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surph_ninja -4 points 2 years ago

How’d they trick the Dems into a bad nominee?

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carotte 6 points 2 years ago

yes of course, trump won because of a few hundred people on a website no one’s heard of and not, yknow, the sheer racism of the average white person (the only demographic that voted in majority for trump, btw)

be serious

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mholiv 6 points 2 years ago

I mean it is true. They did help elect Trump. Before the election there were a ton of .ml accounts doing their best to get progressives to be politically apathetic. They were indistinguishable from right wing saboteurs.

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bishbosh 1 point 2 years ago

How possible do you think it is that they both independently reached the same level of political disgust with the status quo for different reasons?

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knatschus 3 points 2 years ago

Helping doesn't mean being the #1 reason

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VARXBLE 12 points 2 years ago

These posts are so fucking cringe lol. Its always the same guy posting them.

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Gloomy 11 points 2 years ago

Yay for bringing up Mander :-)

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Aetherion 11 points 2 years ago

Are there any real communism/anarchism communities?

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Blaze 17 points 2 years ago

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/

Follow the Anarchist Code of Conduct: https://wiki.dbzer0.com/...

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DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 2 years ago

Or Midwest.social if you don't want porn in your /all

And you're from the Midwest. And not a landlord.

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Blaze 2 points 2 years ago

The admin can have bad days https://midwest.social/post/22065334

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DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 2 years ago

Yep, sounds like a space for actual socialists and not liberals that want healthcare to me.

There's an instance for the second person and it's called .world

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amino 11 points 2 years ago

slrpnk.net looks cool, haven't tried it yet

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JasSmith -16 points 2 years ago

You want lemmy.ml. They are obviously quite annoying, so many instances have defederated with them.

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Deanosim 10 points 2 years ago

Woo \o/ Hopefully this time the server I picked won't suddenly vanish and take all the communities I'd managed to find and subscribe to from me. 😅 Gonna make sure I make regular exports and maybe have a second account on another server just incase.

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fuzzy_ad 9 points 2 years ago

And remember, the biggest quality of life aspect to sites like these are the moderators. Of which this site has the same quality as the other!

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liyunxiao 7 points 2 years ago

Imagine dedicating this much of your free time attacking people for caring too much.

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Blaze 52 points 2 years ago

Especially when the general feeling seems to be this

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cm0002 6 points 2 years ago

FYI for anyone who comes across, this here is an example of a ".ml Tankie Alt" who may also just be a "UniversalMonk" alt account.

This "caring too much" they speak of is an inability to accept any valid and factual criticism of the CCP or Russia.

They also defiantly refuse to believe the Xi/Winnie the Pooh meme started in China, despite well documented evidence.

The tankies often call for "unification of the left" but it is deception, they are not left because they will support authoritarian ideals in lockstep.

ETA:

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Emperor 29 points 2 years ago

Try to avoid making unfounded allegations about other users - here we raise a wry eyebrow to dramas elsewhere in the Fediverse, not start them.

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liyunxiao -10 points 2 years ago

FYI for anyone that comes across, this here is an example of a conservative capitalist supporter who spends hours a day posting about imaginary tankies that fucked his wife or whatever weird shit pops into their head.

Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time, in most cases just being anything unpleasant to their delicate sensibilities.

Anyone using the term tankie on a left wing site is deeply unserious and solely exists to sow division and troll.

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abfarid 17 points 2 years ago

You literally called Ukrainians Nazis a couple hours ago.

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surph_ninja -7 points 2 years ago

The Ukrainians call themselves Nazis. They also name their streets after famous Nazis.

When someone covers themselves in Nazi symbols, and calls themself a Nazi, why won’t you believe them?

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liyunxiao -8 points 2 years ago

The people with swastikas on their chest are Nazis if anyone is. Joe billy Bob the chicken farmer that has a mutual aid network but voted for Trump because Dems have never paid attention to him is not a Nazi.

It's disingenuous to pretend there's not a difference.

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toomanypancakes 12 points 2 years ago

With how many open nazis are running about now maybe not the best example for that one.

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liyunxiao -5 points 2 years ago

True but most people tend to understand that or the dei example the most. It's still effective to show the point.

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cm0002 5 points 2 years ago

"there is no censorship in Beijing...."

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liyunxiao -14 points 2 years ago

Still haven't found wikipedia or other such sites, eh?

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homesweethomeMrL -1 points 2 years ago

Individuals like this use the word tankie in the same way liberals use the word Nazi or conservatives use the word commie or how maga use the word dei or how toddlers use the word icky. It means whatever they want it to mean at the time

No. I mean, I disagree, but the weirdest thing is the use of liberal as a pejorative on a “left wing site”.

All my adult life I’ve been disliked by my local chuds, cunts, dickheads, fuckwits, and bastards for being liberal. Now the “lefties” dislike me for it too.

It’s weird; I like all the same stuff, push for the same social change as ever but now “libs” like me are the scum of the earth because . . . *checks notes* . . Ah. Yes because the Likud are genocidal evil bastards. Which. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Yeah I dunno. Somehow that means we should let trump win.

It’s fucked up bullshit. And it used to be mostly from the “Tankie triad”. But even after they got mostly blocked, the more industrious of them come from “regular” instances now.

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liyunxiao 4 points 2 years ago

Liberals were never left wing, equality nor equity can happen under capitalism. The rainbow capitalism liberals advocate for only extends as far as their use to the liberal hierarchy. See: trans and undocumented people getting thrown away by the Harris admin as soon as they no longer saw any bumps in polls for supporting them.

The problem you're having is you live in a place with such a far right Overton window that the thought of even a tenuous equality amongst the under class is a progressive idea. It's not. But it's an easy tool to divide the underclass, and even acceptance of 'controversial' humans is used to divide the underclass.

Liberal was a good thing to be in the early 1700s, when it was the only alternative to divine right feudalism; but we've evolved since then. We don't have to settle for capital based feudalism, which is all liberalism amounts to.

Tl;Dr liberal infighting caused you to think liberalism and conservatism is different ideologies, and you're using the conservative definition of liberal to define yourself and getting mad.

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Hadriscus 3 points 2 years ago

Liberal means different things depending on context, country, etc.
Over here in France (although not as common a term as in the US) it is commonly associated with economic liberalism, ie part of right-wing ideology (small government, fewer taxes, etc).
In the US, it's more of a synonym of social liberalism, and is associated with left-wing ideology, progressivism.

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VitoRobles 7 points 2 years ago

(me not seeing the server I joined)

Am I in some neutral zone?

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TachyonTele 16 points 2 years ago

See what happens .tomorrow

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Emperor 6 points 2 years ago

.tomorrow never arrives.

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sbv 7 points 2 years ago

.tomorrow never dies

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TachyonTele 5 points 2 years ago

How will i laugh .tomorrow if i can't even smile .today

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Emperor 2 points 2 years ago

.tomorrow never comes - it's a medical condition

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papertowels 5 points 2 years ago

Hello fellow neutral zoner

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cm0002 1 point 2 years ago

Um did you get clearance before you entered the Neutral Zone‽

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Blaze 6 points 2 years ago

For context: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

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yeather 6 points 2 years ago

Is .ca bad? I thought I picked an okay one from my countrymen.

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Blaze 8 points 2 years ago

.ca is great

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klemptor 6 points 2 years ago

That's not what the meme is saying... .ca is fine!

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Krauerking 1 point 2 years ago

This reads so sci-fi dystopian.

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surph_ninja 3 points 2 years ago

Can someone explain like I’m 5 how being against Nazis and capitalism is authoritarian bootlicking? Seems like the exact opposite.

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cm0002 18 points 2 years ago

Authoritarianism isn't exclusive to capitalism. You can have a communist country that is Authoritarian, like China or Russia. But they will fervently deny that China and Russia are Authoritarian, the various human rights abuses and lack of freedom at their feet in order to promote Authoritarian style Communism

They are against Nazis, but they apply that label to just about everyone who is against their views and/or what China/Russia pushes. They will say that Ukraine is completely run by Nazis for example, a propaganda line right out of Moscow.

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technocrit 4 points 2 years ago

a communist country ... like China or Russia.

lmao. Both extremely capitalist: money, wage labor, private property, classes, etc. Read a book.

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cm0002 4 points 2 years ago

Perhaps, but the CCP proclaim themselves to be a "communist" country and the tankies believe them even though their actions are, like you said, capitalist-like.

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ILikeBoobies -5 points 2 years ago

communist country that is Authoritarian,

No you can’t, communist countries don’t have governments

China or Russia

These are capitalist countries, state capitalist for China

Ussr/Maoist China at best were socialist dictatorships which I think is what you were referring to

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cm0002 7 points 2 years ago

While I can see your point for the second half of your comment

No you can’t, communist countries don’t have governments

What‽ That's a new one lmao

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DragonTypeWyvern 4 points 2 years ago

He's using the term in its proper context instead of casual American.

Communism is a classless, stateless society where the means are collectively owned.

The USSR did not achieve communism, and they'd have been the first ones to tell you that. They would say they were socialist, however, engaged in the process of building socialism.

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surph_ninja -33 points 2 years ago

Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis. They’ve recently spent millions erecting monuments of famous Nazis, and are naming streets after them. Their soldiers are literally covered in Nazi symbols.

When someone tells you themselves that they’re a Nazi, why do you think your beliefs overrule their own self-image?

https://www.wsws.org/...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/...

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PrettyFlyForAFatGuy 22 points 2 years ago

WSWS is a biased "trotskyist" rag and this is an opinion piece whingeing about Ukraine throwing off the shackles of soviet oppression written by the leader of a former Ukrainian political party that was banned for having ties to Russia. Opinion disregarded

The TOI link you posted lists its source as a tweet which no longer exists.

Neither link claims "Ukrainian leadership declared themselves Nazis"

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Juice 11 points 2 years ago

Wow this conversation is really something.

WSWS is actually garbage, as a trotskyist we think these people are cranks. Gotta respect the hustle, their magazine has a far reach and they aren't 1000% terrible. But a friend of mine claims that the closest he's ever come to being the victim of political violence was at a WSWS convention.
Ukraine actually banned all their left wing political parties and it wasn't actually because of Russian ties. Not saying the ties didnt exist in this instance, or in other instances, but it isnt evidence of complete ideological corruption by Russia of the far left. Denial of Nazi influence and Banderist militias is a denial of history. The Maidan revolution was a US backed operation, the US knowingly and explicitly funded Far right Nazi militias for years in the lead up to this conflict. The US baited Russia into Ukraine hoping for a protracted war to weaken them and their anti US influence. The associations are plain and not just Russian propaganda. Ukraine has always had a Nazi problem, as many countries, including the US, also do. And why not? Nazis are frothing violent nationalists who hate communism and socialism. So to the western imperialists, Nazis are and have been useful for decades, and explicitly in the Ukraine since 2014, but not just since the Russian invasion.

However,

The invasion of Ukraine is actually terrible the Ukrainian people don't deserve to be the victims of Russian invasion and deepening capitalist corruption. Its not a left wing position to be on the side of invaders! I know a few Ukrainian Americans who were active and capable in the left wing who stopped organizing because of peoples delusional and toxic attitudes around these conflicts. If someone makes a political analysis that most Ukrainian people are Nazis, they are only doing so to dehumanize them, so that their suffering can be dismissed.

I understand the position of US defeatism, and probably strategically agree with it. But like communists are supposed to be better analysts, we don't base our analysis on whatever the opposite of our enemies say, we are supposed to ground our conclusions in historical circumstances, material relations, and by uniting objective fact with subjective truth. A popular front with Russia is a losing proposal, and progressive liberals are more correct for opposing it. But the facts are in, the Ukrainians were done dirty by "the west" long before the Russians invaded. They don't deserve an invasion, and they don't deserve to have their economy raided and they don't deserve to have the far right funded by the US and its allies, and their left wing dismantled by the corrupt Ukrainian government, who is not made just by a just defensive war, if in fact it can be accurately called that. Like in some ways yes, but other ways no, and still others it is very unclear.

Liberals should learn more history and Commies should actually learn dialectical materialism instead of abandoning it for disasterous popular frontism.

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surph_ninja -16 points 2 years ago

You want more? Oh man, have I got more! I’ll try to stick to whitewashed sources you’d like.

https://m.jpost.com/...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna198961

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1290946

https://apnews.com/...

https://peoplesdispatch.org/...

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cm0002 12 points 2 years ago

Yeaaa ookkk tankie, I'm sure those websites aren't biased and spreading propaganda/misinformation at all LMAO

you've been tagged

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surph_ninja -15 points 2 years ago

So you’re denying Ukraine is doing this? Or am I a tankie for pointing it out? All it takes to be a tankie is pointing out someone is calling themself a Nazi?

You’ve taken this so far, you’re entering into Nazi sympathizer/collaborator territory.

The US Congress had to lift a ban on arming Nazis in order to send arms to Ukraine. Now tell me how it’s somehow my fault for pointing that out.

https://apnews.com/...

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CreepyShutIn 3 points 2 years ago

I looked around some NSFW communities, a number of them seem to have no posts at all. Is that normal, to have communities with no posts? Or is there a filter of some sort so I'm not seeing them? I do have "see NSFW" enabled, mind, so it's not that.

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cm0002 3 points 2 years ago

A lot were created during rexit 1, but just never filled with any content

NSFW stuff was the weakest "movers" from Reddit IMO

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sunzu2 1 point 2 years ago

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JackbyDev 3 points 2 years ago

p.d mentioned, wooo!

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domdanial 3 points 2 years ago

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IndustryStandard 2 points 2 years ago

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ThatGuy46475 2 points 2 years ago

Is there an asklemmy that isn’t .ml?

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cm0002 5 points 2 years ago

!asklemmy@lemmy.world

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ThomasCrappersGhost 2 points 2 years ago

I hear so much about how awful these instances are, but I never see anything in them.

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cm0002 4 points 2 years ago

Hexbear/Grad is difficult to see things from because most instances including yours iirc defeds from them

.ml is less widely defed'd from because they tend to keep things more subtle (possibly in an attempt to prevent a larger defed movement like what happened with Hexbear and Grad) and in the comments rather than overt in your face posts like Hex/grad tend to do and generally just get removed and widely downvotes when they try to post those comments outside the Tankie Triad safe space

.ml Is also more likely to just remove dissenting voices under their catch-all "rule 1"

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PM_Your_Nudes_Please 5 points 2 years ago

.ml is also less likely to defed because one of the main Lemmy devs uses it as his home instance. So if you defed from .ml, you miss out on Lemmy firmware posts.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 3 points 2 years ago

.ml is run by the Lemmy devs, and Lemmy is such a shitty piece of software that admins often need the devs to be actively involved during things like upgrades to keep everything from breaking. Therefore, they have to let .ml get away with things that would get any other instance defederated.

Nothing's going to improve until alternatives like PieFed, Sublinks and mbin become ready for prime-time. As long as we keep using the Lemmy software, we're fucked.

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ThomasCrappersGhost 1 point 2 years ago

I’m actually in those instances.

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Railcar8095 3 points 2 years ago

That's OK. We don't do kink shaming here.

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ThomasCrappersGhost 1 point 2 years ago

But that’s my kink…

/s

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ThomasCrappersGhost 1 point 2 years ago

Seriously though, I’m wondering if two of those instances have changed or it’s me.

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Metz 1 point 2 years ago

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flamingos 0 points 2 years ago

Locking, thread has spireled wildly off topic.

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Jamablaya -1 points 2 years ago

You'll feel right at home, the mods will powertrip, erase comments and ban you just as fast as the Reddit clowns.

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LovableSidekick -1 points 2 years ago

INever takes long for something to become the People's Front of Judea hating the Fucking Judean People's Front.

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Vivendi -2 points 2 years ago

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sunzu2 0 points 2 years ago

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LarmyOfLone -3 points 2 years ago

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cm0002 9 points 2 years ago

Socialists != Tankie

Communists != Tankie

Tankie = Authoritarian "Communists"

I have no problems striving for a capitalism free future, but not an authoritarianism-based capitalist-free future.

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LarmyOfLone 0 points 2 years ago

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kandoh 8 points 2 years ago

Mastadon failed because they have a shit onboarding process and bluesky doesn't

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Kedly -4 points 2 years ago

Unless shit has gotten better in the half year since I left, you guys still have extreme moderation issues, which means even with an extensive instance and user blocklist, you're still going to be constantly dealing with extreme takes

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cm0002 4 points 2 years ago

Most moderation issues stemmed from .ml, their influence has been in the decline and moderation issues are considerably better now

Unless the moderation "issues" you speak of are what the Right-wing conservatives of Lemmy complain about as "censorship" then no. And rightly so

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Kedly -1 points 2 years ago

I mean shit like moderators deleting comments because someone isnt capitalizing someone's pronouns (while otherwise respecting which pronouns the user they are referring to listed) and that thing 5 months back when the vegan instance was banning people for saying that feeding your carnivore pets a vegan diet was animal cruelty. While admittedly the pronoun one was in a more extreme leaning instance, the problem is its impossible to completely filter that shit out when you visit this site, I dont want to see shit from R/The_Donald on reddit but despite an EXTENSIVE blocklist on this site, I cant escape constantly seeing the lefts equivalent here.

Edit: Also I get the vegan thing is an old example, its a timestamp of when I last gave lemmy a try and then gave up

Edit 2: Also I strayed from my moderation point. My point was NOT that there was too much moderation here, my point was there wasnt ENOUGH. Most instances have like ONE active moderator

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technocrit -5 points 2 years ago

Libs vs tankies is an authoritarian clown battle.

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ZombiFrancis 3 points 2 years ago

It is much closer to severing the militant flank of the left from the rightward flank that can be recouperated into maintaining the status quo.

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Krono -6 points 2 years ago

In a political time when we need to unite against MAGA fascists, I find this type of divisive post absolutely disgusting.

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Duke_Nukem_1990 12 points 2 years ago

We don't need to replace one authoritarian with another one. Check out what a lot of auth communists did, once the Nazi party got in power in Germany.

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Krono -5 points 2 years ago

Come back to reality mate, the "auth communists" have no political power and no motion.

Being afraid of an authoritarian communist takeover in the US is like being afraid of an invasion by the Mongol Empire. It would be scary, it would be bad, but its just a silly fantasy.

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SkyezOpen 3 points 2 years ago

We must unite to take power!

"But authoritarians always kill libs when they do."

Dont worry they have no power!

You don't see the catch 22?

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Krono 0 points 2 years ago

Fascists have taken control of the most powerful country in the history of the world. Trump is following a gameplan to destroy nearly every institution in modern civilization.

"But some Tankies on the internet have some bad ideas too!"

You don't see which is the bigger priority?

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Duke_Nukem_1990 1 point 2 years ago

K, so you didn't check what the auth comms did in germany in the 30s.

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Krono 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah but in 1930s Germany auth comms started with actual political power. They had an actual political party and gained 10-15% of the vote, which is a level of power modern Tankies could only dream of.

If we are worried about German politics in the 30s, then you should read about what the Liberals did back then, because they are once again capitulating to fascism.

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chuymatt 0 points 2 years ago

The ones that were blamed for the fire and started the majors loss of liberties for all under the Auth right Nazis?

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REDACTED 2 points 2 years ago

Can you elaborate? How is this post divisive?

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uienia 2 points 2 years ago

Tankies are uniting with maga. So calling them out is doing exactly what you are asking for

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OpenStars 1 point 2 years ago

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Krono 1 point 2 years ago

How are tankies uniting with maga?

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surph_ninja -3 points 2 years ago

MAGA wants to stop arming Ukraine because they’re pro-Russia. The left wants to stop arming Ukraine because it’s a Nazi regime. Your failure to distinguish the two doesn’t mean they’re “uniting.”

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sumguyonline -7 points 2 years ago

I found Lemmy when I switched from android to calyxos and a Lemmy world app had just had a recent update on f-droid basic... Reddit lost interest for me prior to the GameStop saga that recently ended it's "positive in the eyes of the public" stage and superstonk has no meaning when the CEO is openly betraying his investors. Reddit is mostly involuntarily celibate cat ladies(the smelly kind), and frankly it shows in the content.

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Hadriscus 2 points 2 years ago

the "smelly kind"? you seem like a nice guy

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Floey -14 points 2 years ago

The reason progressive liberals believe that people to the left of them are actually the right wing is because they imagine they are as far left as you can be, and by left they mean right (correct).

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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol 6 points 2 years ago

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MutilationWave 4 points 2 years ago

This makes no sense at all to me. Are you talking about horseshoe theory?

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Donkter 3 points 2 years ago

No I think it's the insufferable purity comparisons and the collection of self-righteous dogma like Pokemon cards in lieu of any coherent plan or consistent ideology.

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