You're assuming they actually believe what they are saying and are arguing in good faith. That hasn't been in the Republican playbook since at least Nixon.

Not to defend No Child Left Behind but it was only a 2002 law, the majority of these people are too old to have been in school since its passage.

Don't worry, they're fixing this by burning books. We'll be back to the 50's in no time!

You act like it's limited to the younger generations of Republicans.

They've largely stopped using "cuck" as an insult since the high mark of their movement involved a guy wearin' horns.

Are they capable of shame? Seems like they revel in the absolute worst behavior possible.

They're not reading this. I'd like it if other Americans kept in mind that you can be both patriotic and antifascist.

There's no reason that has to be true, but a multi-party system enabled by ranked-choice or approval voting would be better

In addition to this, retractions and corrections need to be more prominent. No more screaming falsehoods for hours and days and then quietly issuing a retraction as a scroll during the low viewership time block.

Make FOX etc., have to broadcast a banner that says, “THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY,"

I mean, that might work, but what we'd get is "THIS IS NOT FACTUAL NEWS THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY 😉 " and there'd be no difference to what we have now.

Fox would own the fuck out of that.

The left makes us put this banner on here! We know you're smart people that can make your own choices about what is and is not "entertainment"! Now, for something I don't find at all entertaining, Biden once again oversteps his authority and ....

No I don't remember. Got any proof/ sauce for this bullshit you're peddling?

Here is what I remember: "So the report documents the extensive connections between folks in the Trump campaign and Russia, some of which we already knew. But it goes into greater depth, most notably probably on Paul Manafort."

and "A nearly 1,000-page report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday documented a broad set of links and interactions between Russian government operatives and members of the 2016 Trump campaign...".

oh I just remembered this: A bipartisan Senate report released Tuesday affirms the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in a far-ranging influence campaign approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin and aimed at helping Donald Trump win the White House.

And lots of evidence of Republicans committing fraud in 2020, and still they lost.

I couldn't view your link, but yes majority of Democrats did accept it: https://news.gallup.com/...

This includes Biden himself who requested that his party accept the results. https://www.politico.com/...

Back when Trump was President, a friend of mine (who's a Trump supporter) was arguing with me about whether or not Trump said something.

I did what I always did and checked Google. I quickly found a video of Trump saying the thing and sent it to my friend. He replied that it was fake news.

My friend wasn't claiming that the video was actually faked or taken out of context. Instead, he was saying that it was fake news because it was hosted on CNN's servers. He didn't care what the content was, just whether it was on a right wing outlet's server or not.

They avoid any information that contradicts their belief system and gravitate towards media that reaffirms it.

Isn't that the same with twitter, reddit, CNN MSNBC? It's a more broad media problem. When was the last time most people watched or read any media that directly conflicted with their beliefs?

I mean, isn't that the media as a whole? The whole media is about outrage, it's not about reporting news.

I'm pretty conservative, so is my pa, and we used to watch CNN's news coverage back in the early 00's. Now, try watching CNN, MSNBC and FOX, it's all 'political commentary.' There's no news, there's outrage.

We've dimished knowledge into 140 characters with a screenshot attached. No context, no actual reporting or knowledge of the whole situation. Just some quick 1 liners to rile up their base. The republicans have chosen their demi-god because they've been losing, but I can't say that if the dems were losing that they wouldn't do the same thing.

(and thus, kinda push the definition of the body of conservative beliefs farther right)

I don't really agree with this. The republican party shifting doesn't mean the ideals of conservative ideology changes.

On the other side of the coin, just because democrats are starting to become more socialist, does that mean that liberal ideologies are changing?

I'm still a conservative because I believe in tradition, I believe in small government and a country that abides by the constitution is the best way to govern. I believe in the free market and put more emphasis on a states individuality rather than having a large federal government.

Even just north of y'all in Western MD where I recently vacated from, there are plenty of nutters. MD is seen as a pretty blue state but that's mostly just Baltimore and Montgomery County balancing out the crazy in the rest of the state. The more rural parts of the state are still full to the brim of your typical Trump wackos.

Is that the only metric?

I voted for him in '16, same with my pa. Does someone have to be a 'never trumper' to be reasonable? I'm in the PNW too, I've seen a handful of Trump Trucks, but despite being from a more rural area (you know there are a lot of conservative pockets in the PNW), there isn't this widespread support of Trump, from what I've seen.

He gets his support from the belts. Bible Belt and Rust Belt.

I live in NY as does my father. He was a die hard Trump supporter until a few months ago when he switched to DeSantis - though he might have switched back to Trump. I try not to talk politics with him.

As recently as last year, he was telling me that the Republicans were going to impeach and remove Biden and Kamala and install Trump as President again. I pointed out that the House could definitely impeach, but removal would take two thirds of the Senate - a number the Republicans couldn't possibly reach. (This was before the midterms.) My father responded that the Democrats would vote along with the Republicans.

Yes, my father honestly believed that the Democrats would decide to ditch a Democratic President and Vice President so that Trump could come back to power. He was willing to make a bet that this would happen. I didn't take the bet only because I knew he'd either deny ever making the bet or would try to gaslight me what the bet actually was about.

It's baffling to me, every poll I see like this I'm just confused and sad

What anti-lgbt stuff did they vote against?

Conspiracy theorists and hate are more or less the norm in conservative circles, so far as I can tell.

I don't think they're conservative. I think republicans have given up on being conservative, and just now fight culture war and spend as much if not more than the dems.

I've been trying to be diligent about not conflating republicans and conservatives anymore, they haven't been conservative in awhile. Republicans have been overwhelmingly blindly following Trump, conservatives haven't.

Agreed, my only hope is that Trump will absolutely fall so hard that there is no way people can support him still (at this point, it may take his death, but even then, what conspiracies would come from that?), and the 'right' sees a series of defeats that they are forced to re-brand, become more liberal on social issues and actually try to be the conservative party of fiscal responsibility.

Yes my point is that 2000 is a valid reason to be suspicious. But you don't see Gore kicking the results back to Florida and have them overturn the election results with fake electors. That's fraud.

That would backfire spectacularly. We must always keep in mind that Republican policies keep their citizens in a state of disinformation and dilapidation. If your life is already miserable, denied education and resources so as to never escape what few jobs are left, you'll latch onto anyone promising salvation. That is the whole reason we saw J6ers go as far as they did.

The long road has the best chances of keeping the country in one piece. Dispelling falsehoods piece by piece, enacting programs that modernize not just infrastructure but local economies as well. Bring the success of the coasts inward to lands exploited and abandoned by corporations and their elected goons. As difficult as it sounds, we're looking at another reconstruction era for those kneecapped by decades of Republican control.

It's not the same. Most people calling the 2016 election a sham will admit that Trump did technically win by the rules as written, but also think that those rules are bullshit because they allowed a multi-million person majority to be shut out in favor of a malevolent moron. The people saying Biden lost are saying he literally cheated and that there's a conspiracy of thousands of government employees collaborating to break the rules and subvert the will of the people; that the multi-million majority literally doesn't exist. This is just as disingenuous as comparing the top secret documents that Trump hid to the ones that Biden and Pence handed over immediately on request.

did ANY of those people try a coup?

The small insignificant difference between the two is that those people didn’t try to break into congress and kill the people who disagreed

So birds are aliens! Mind blown!!

I am terrified of that happening

Luckily the other 30% won't vote for him again, meaning he'll never win.

There might not be very many smart Republican voters, but there are just enough to ensure that Trump has no chance.

Oh please. Remember when Democrats went to the Sacramento Capitol armed? Or when Maxine Waters called for protestors to "get confrontational" and incited her own blend of "insurrection"?

Short memories with you lot. Willfully deceitful and always in bad faith.

Some people hate thinking god is not constantly thinking about them and that they aren't super special

A brain-dead population is way easier to control. Source: greetings from Hungary!

It's hard to think of anything that "gets me the most" about the last 6-8 years but this is up there. If you pin them down by the ears and make them answer, most will say they would rather have King Trump than President Biden.

Ask them, what about after King Trump dies? What if a democrat manages to take the throne and get all the power he had? Watch them sputter.

It's so disturbing.

If Trump happens again, it's over. Our 250-year-old experiment is done. He'll be the last president.

There will still be a country, but there won't be a pretext of democracy any more.

Yeah, this is an unfortunate advantage republicans have over democrats - their constituents really do fall in line, even if they don’t like their candidate. Democrats constituents fall in love, and will refuse to vote if it is not their preferred candidate.

In fact, the only time I feel like democrats won without falling in love with their candidate was (ironically) Biden. I think he won because people were desperate for a sense of normalcy and to have new leadership because the Trump administration failed so spectacularly in their handling of the pandemic.

This time though, there is no pandemic to boost the democrats. I firmly believe that Trump probably would have won again were it bot for the pandemic, and I am worried he will win again.

This, I think, is pretty true. But still, its incredibly foolish. They could not control Trump the first time, why on earth do they think they could control him the second time?

Unless they are banking on him being locked up with the key being tossed, and using that to galvanize the base around a candidate they can better control? Either way though, peddling these types of lies is just so, so dangerous. They are more-or-less setting up a large chunk of the nation to believe that the democrats are stealing the election and going to install a communist dictatorship (lol) and the only way to “save the country” is to violently take it back.

And if Trump actually does win again? Well, then the other half the country is correctly convinced their has been a criminal takeover of the nation’s executive branch. How does that end? What even happens if Trump is convicted after taking office?

I wish more republicans would understand that supporting Trump is going to seriously weaken the US and create instability. Even if the democrats were “unfairly targeting him” (to be clear, I believe he is guilty) there is just no way he can unify the country and make it stronger. Half the country will hate his guts, and that alone should disqualify him.

Just in case anyone isn't aware, any "both sides" argument is always a republican talking point. One side of the aisle didn't try to overthrow the government and install a dictator, both sides are NOT the same.

This is a problem on both sides of the aisle

no, only republicans have chosen to divorce themselves from reality and create their own, including sorry attempts at "both sides" arguments

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True. And five year olds are innocent. Conservatives are not.

In a way, they’re not wrong, but it’s because Trump would’ve sold them out in a heartbeat to Putin, not because he’s some sort of peacemaker or anything.

Funding is drastically different from area to area. You go to a rich white area and the schools are top notch.

You go to a poor area with lots of minorities and there is hardly any funding.

The schools that need funding don’t get it. Inequality like most things in America is the reason. It’s by design to keep the poor in their seats.

I can't figure out a way that it could be 70 million. Only about 150 million people voted in 2020. 39% of voters identify as or lean Republican .

Sadly it's not actually against the rules to run for president from jail or even prison technically. There's even historical precident, although nobody running from jail has ever actually won.

Is it likely that the cases will progress that quickly? I was under the impression that he wouldn't likely have a trial until next year, and wouldn't be convicted/sentenced until after the election

We need a version of r/liberalgunowners on Lemmy. I legit miss them alongside r/Polandball

If your "we" is Democrats, then you may want to think twice before running head long into battle. Gun ownership among Republicans outnumbers Democrats more than two to one. That figure is per person and not a gun count per household, which is much higher with 2/3 of the gun-owning population owning more than one gun.

The only way you'll win is by persuading the swing vote as Independent gun ownership is almost as high as the Republicans. But you probably won't get all the Independents because a lot of them are right-leaning.

All that is to say that while I don't expect us to ever get in a combative civil war, and I hope we don't, I also think it's in everyone's best interests if no one is thirsty for one either.

Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/...

My son calls me a boomer, so I own it. As for my posting. I only post to create engagement so the Fediverse can continue to grow. Unlike our government, I’ll pass the torch once this place gets more people.

I hope this is right, but it's still a TON of people.

Cant hear for yourself? BlueMAGA is deranged like MAGA

Yes we are, the link was 10 minutes of democrats denying the results of several elections they lost.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

Cool man glad your smart.

No way man. The average citizen in this country isn't registered with these types of polls. These are from the same group that write letters to news channels. I think the selection pool was already biased, and this represents an extremely small portion of the population.

I vividly remember the 2004 voting machine issues. It was the first general election with widespread use of computerized voting software, in the wake of the 2000 election disaster, and there was a lot of evidence that the machines could be tampered with quite easily. I'm not sure if there is real evidence that they were actually tampered with, but the fact the machines were not open source and demonstrably falsifiable is in itself alarming.

I don't recall any talk about the 2016 election being illegitimate. The results were horrifying obviously, and we were shocked the polls were so wrong, but actual fraud? I don't think so.

I felt like trying to say Clinton's impeachment was the R's not accepting the legitimacy of his election was a stretch also. Seems OP is trying to make the facts fit his point.

Trump used 2004 as a starting point for Jan 6th, then added a riot. In order to stop the counting, you need a house and senate member to object to a particular vote (I'm actually in the house district of the guy who objected in 2020, and campaigned for his opponent). The concerns over vote switching were so bad in 2004 that most of the democratic states switched over to having paper trails. From what I remember, Ohio polling was constantly showing a Bush loss and the CEO of Diebold was running around saying "No, those are our machines, Bush will win", and then Bush did.

not that there's like mountains of evidence to prove that or anything /s

https://time.com/...

Ok but what if, now hear me out… the Democrats were correct about 2016 and 2000?

Dunno about 2000, I was 4 years old, but 2016 was the typical action movie "evil foreign hackers hijacking our great 'Murrican democracy" thing, only told by Democrats. That is, as somebody living in Russia I can't take this seriously.

Yeah I'm sure the 4 years of "muh Russia" and how they got hacked didn't do that

But we forget it when the "good guys" do it right?