I’m an atheist and I think Trump is the antichrist.
Olhonestjim 2 points 2 years ago
Agreed.
Liberal_Ghost 3 points 2 years ago
I literally said the same thing to my wife last week. I grew up in an extremely religious household. I am not religious at all now, I haven't been for decades. But I made the joke that it would be hilarious if after all these bible thumbers voted for him, and he turned out to be the Antichrist 🤣🤣
andros_rex 41 points 2 years ago
When I was 8 or so, I prayed that god would wait to start the 7 years of tribulation until after I graduated college.
I graduated in 2019. Sorry guys.
TheEighthDoctor 34 points 2 years ago
If RFK is not pestilence in person I don't know who is
goldenquetzal 2 points 2 years ago
Oh my God that's perfect
CosmicTurtle0 30 points 2 years ago
There was a web site dedicated to a proof that Trump has all the characteristics of the antichrist whereas Obama only has a few.
I can't seem to find it.
Teknevra 39 points 2 years ago
This?:
FearMeAndDecay 3 points 2 years ago
So if Trump really is the antichrist and we’re already in the end times, do you think Elder Scrolls VI will come out before the world ends?
Fr tho it’s freaky how much stuff lines up
tischbier 18 points 2 years ago
There’s an entire serious sub called (r/trump666). They are more level headed than you’d expect and downvote and mod people too far out there. They have a lot of deep serious discussions on which of the four horsemen Trump and Musk are. They seem to mostly disagree on which person is which dragon/beast/horsemen. Although, I think there’s an agreement that RFK Jr. is Pestilence haha
It’s all over my head but this concept is strong enough now that people devote significant time to reading the lay-lines.
Coincidentally my old handle on Gawker was a photo of Trump and my name was “DiabloHimself.” But that was back when he wasn’t running for office and just tweetsulting Roseanne.
conditional_soup 9 points 2 years ago
Oh, I can't believe it's really him! Doug Forcette! Well, if anyone knows, it's this guy.
esc27 3 points 2 years ago
I wondered about it, but it seems he has to put himself in the place of Christ and require people to worship him instead (to "anti" Christ...) to really qualify. I think he is till pretending to be a Christian, so we may not be there yet...
Drivebyhaiku 1 point 2 years ago
The bar to being an anti-christ is pretty damn low. There's also no limit to how many exist all one needs is to deny the divinity of Christ. It's just that easy!
There some conflation with the "Man of Sin/Lawlessness" though who is supposed to be a "fierce King" who appears at the end of times and “will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed."
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dharmacurious 4 points 2 years ago
Not just Christian, not all of us believe in an antichrist. Even among biblical literalists it's not 100%. Rapture, too. I don't believe in either
sangriaferret 5 points 2 years ago
I'm curious about how bible literalists that don't believe in the antichrist interpret that part of Revelations.
andros_rex 7 points 2 years ago
Revelation (no ‘s’) doesn’t really have the narrative that “Biblical literalists” think it does. The Beast isn’t said to be the Antichrist - the “Antichrist” isn’t mentioned in Revelation at all, only in John IIRC - a lot of this is coming from Scofield and Darby. People before the 1800s did not believe in the narrative of “there’s a rapture where Christians disappear, the Antichrist takes over for 7 years, all of these prophecies are fulfilled, and the Jesus comes back.”
It’s basically all made up through connecting unrelated passages in Daniel and Ezekiel. Premillennial dispensationalism is new and not reading the Bible “literally” at all.
NocturnalMorning 17 points 2 years ago
The point isn't that it's fiction. It's that their book is garbage and they pick and choose the parts that they follow.
Phoenicianpirate 22 points 2 years ago
I remember the first time I heard someone use that phrase Mark of the Beast. It was by a conservative who commented online in the pre-9/11 internet, and it was in relation to a new article discussing the possibility of using RFID chips in humans for very specific reasons. Pets have been having RFID implants to help find them when they get lost.
The guy insisted that these chips are the mark of the beast and he would rather die than get them.
I don't know if he is still around, but he if he is, he is probably someone who thinks Bill Gates is the devil for wanting to chip people but think Elon Musk is awesome for the same.
Olhonestjim 4 points 2 years ago
Mine was convinced it was barcodes. Standard barcodes.
SkunkWorkz 4 points 2 years ago
Schadrach 2 points 2 years ago
A thing assigned to you that's in your hand or your head that's needed to engage in commerce? That's...umm...I can see where they could get that idea, especially with the rise of online sales.
PieMePlenty 3 points 2 years ago
Pets have been having RFID implants to help find them when they get lost.
Just a small correction, microchips in pets are there to identify them and identify who their owner is. They don't have any geolocation capabilities, its equivalent to hiding an SD card under their skin.
Phoenicianpirate 2 points 2 years ago
Yes thank you. Memory is rusty. But I am sure you can understand since it was literally 24 years ago...
Olhonestjim 2 points 2 years ago
You'd think an all-knowing being ought to be able to write a compelling book. Instead we get one filled with the worst crimes, yet it somehow manages to be soul-crushingly boring. You ever try to read it? Most people only manage a couple pages a day, and that's considered devout commitment to it.
leaky_shower_thought 6 points 2 years ago
the power of gold^tm^ christianity would say blasphemy.
not enough gold linings.
tacobellhop 4 points 2 years ago
Forehead or wrist. Yeah so neural link barcode or starve basically
ericatty 5 points 2 years ago
Someone commented somewhere that I can't find now... Trump as Plague (covid, firing bird flu, ebola teams), Putin as War, and Netanyahu as Death. With Doge also trying to end USAid, Snap, contracts and programs our farmers rely on, and Social Security... that tracks well for Famine.
I don't believe in it, but the idea haunts me that people are trying to force it to happen.
tacobellhop 2 points 2 years ago
Regardless of the literature I think there’ll be another point soon where it will be undeniably obvious to people that lines are drawn in the sand and at that point it’s too late.
rob_t_firefly 6 points 2 years ago
Non-Christian and non-Bible person here, but I think it's probably best to be accurate about citing these things:
Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A16-17&version=KJV which also lets you switch around between other versions of the passage.
rob_t_firefly 7 points 2 years ago
If someone is trying to use a particular text to justify their shitty behavior, the ability to point to that very text can be useful when criticizing their actions.
If nothing else, either you or they will probably learn something from the interaction.
toy_boat_toy_boat 2 points 2 years ago
not yet. soon, buy not quite yet.
chuckleslord 3 points 2 years ago
It's a mark that shows you're a follower of the beast.
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chuckleslord 5 points 2 years ago
There's no more info than that. Sorry for the tautology, but that's all the fucking info that exists. Revelation is an acid trip transcribed a few thousand times. What isn't hamfisted symbolism is just "this thing is this thing" with no further explanation.
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tacobellhop 1 point 2 years ago
You’ll know it when you see it
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Kolanaki -6 points 2 years ago
Trump can't be the anti-Christ because the anti-Christ would supposedly also preach about peace and love and all that good jazz, just like Jesus did. The difference is, it would be a trap. The dude lies all the time, but is pretty open about being a hateful fascist.
Elon, and Neurolink, on the other hand...
Thteven 20 points 2 years ago
He does do that, that's part of why he got so many evangelicals to vote for him. Do you remember his response after his disaster of a meeting with Zelensky? He said to come back when you're ready for peace (lmao). He also heaps tons of praise and "love" on his followers at all those rallies.
I don't believe in the antichrist personally but I really couldn't think of a better candidate for it than him. It's honestly kind of hilarious they don't see it.
pleasegoaway 9 points 2 years ago
No, trump pretty much preaches about his peaceful violence and loving insurrection.
andros_rex 5 points 2 years ago
Maybe Satan sent LaHaye and Jenkins down to trick us.
Their antichrist, Nicky Carpathia, is well spoken and beloved by the world. At one point he gives a speech where he just lists off all of the member nations of the UN while looking each dignitary deeply in the eye, and this is so moving that this brings everyone to tears.
The way he comes to power and prominence is denuclearization and solving the Israel/Palestine conflict (iirc, there’s magical ‘plant grow good’ stuff that he trades with all of those desert Muslim nations that would of course all collectively agree to resettle all Gazans in exchange for the ability to turn Cairo into cornfields)
He’s also so fuckable. One of the characters gets knocked up by him just so that the authors can basically have the character (and audience) subjected to anti-abortion propaganda. All abortion is bad, even if it’s the antichrist’s baby!
I don’t understand how the Neurolink shit isn’t screaming “Mark of the Beast” to everyone who read the series though. It’s going to be hilarious if all of the evangelicals do line up to get their microchips because Papa Trump told them too.
WorldsDumbestMan 2 points 2 years ago
Imagine the evangelist being the ones going to hell, and the nihilists being spared in a plot-twist.
andros_rex 2 points 2 years ago
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
[…]
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
[…]
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(Didn’t we do a good job telling all of them queers about their sexual immorality and stopping all of those abortions?)
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Captainautism 27 points 2 years ago
You skipped a lot of the Bible didn’t you? It does promote war, genocide, infanticide, and family annihilation.
Captainautism 3 points 2 years ago
The book of revelation would like to have a word with you.
Omgboom -5 points 2 years ago
The Bible (the old testament at least) is a history of the Hebrew people told from the point of view of their priests. I put it to you that it's no more fiction than Livy repeating the tradition that Romulus and Remus were raised and fed by a wolf. Now, were Romulus and Remus literally raised by a wolf? Probably not, more likely they were raised by a Lupa, a she-wolf (Prostitute.)
I'm not saying that every word of the Bible is historical fact, but I think it would be inaccurate to call it fiction.
Thteven 8 points 2 years ago
The film Once upon a time in Hollywood is a history of the Tate murders told from the point of view of her neighbors. I put it to you that it's no more fiction than Tarantino repeating the tradition that the Inglorious Basterds blew up all those Nazis in a theatre. Now, did the Manson family members really get their shit rocked up and down by Cliff Booth and Rick Dalton? Did Hitler meet his end in a storm of righteous fury? Probably not, but it's fun to imagine a better world.
I'm not saying every frame of the movie is historical fact, but I think it would be inaccurate to call it fiction.
prole 4 points 2 years ago
Spider Man takes place in New York City, a very real location.
Does that mean Spider Man is nonfiction?
I put it to you that it’s no more fiction than Livy repeating the tradition that Romulus and Remus were raised and fed by a wolf.
Right... which is fiction. It's mythos, and that's a subsection of fiction.
Deello 13 points 2 years ago
How is the Bible fiction? If it were just made up by people then it would promote war and greed and other causes of suffering. I’m not an expert by any stretch but the Bible is a recipe for a good life and helping each other. I’d love to hear an argument that somehow trashes that message.
Killing babies is essential to living a good life.
-Kurious84
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalms 137
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toy_boat_toy_boat -3 points 2 years ago
i'm so happy you're here. i also understand that my previous sentence may be interpreted as sarcasm, so i ensure you that it isn't. you just made a point that i think is very beautiful.
isn't it weird how the "fuck what my dad said" god isn't vibing with the "fuck what my dad said" crowd?
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If I were religious I would absolutely think Trump is the Antichrist.
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