Students banned from using nicknames under new anti-trans Florida schools guidance

3 years ago by stopthatgirl7 to c/news

The Orange County Public Schools system in Florida has announced guidance banning trans students from bathrooms and the use of nicknames.

fubo 184 points 3 years ago
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Drusas 73 points 3 years ago path: 0 2224699 2225536, hotness: undefined, score: 73, children: 1
WashedOver 17 points 3 years ago

I suspect the changes to race theory pushed through recently in Florida will have this taught as a acid bath was beneficial and great for your complexion...

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Cyder 94 points 3 years ago

We call my son and daughter by shortened versions of their first names. Both are in High School in OCPS. Today they brought home the forms for us to sign to allow them to go by those shortened names in school. I was shocked.

Perhaps Ronald DeSantis should be forced to get permission from his family inorder to continue to be called Ron.

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shadowSprite 48 points 3 years ago

The sad thing is, my brother has a name like "Benjamin". My mother is a very mentally ill individual and is extremely militant about her children's names "I chose your names and you will go by exactly what I named you!" and refused to let him go by "Ben" or let us call him "Ben". Except, outside of the house he always went by Ben, she just didn't know it. I always called him Ben when we weren't home, because it's what he wanted to be called. So kids like this would have to bring a form home and get their ass kicked by mom for going by a name they aren't supposed to? Fuck that.

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Whichwitch 11 points 3 years ago

My mom was the exact same way. "If I wanted you to be called that I would have named you that".

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shadowSprite 6 points 3 years ago

The delicious irony is that she is no contact with some of her children because they ended up legally changing their names (I don't even know my one sibling's legal name because they just bailed) and the rest of her kids go by nicknames away from her.

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FlyingSquid 24 points 3 years ago

Let's also not forget Rafael "Ted" Cruz, Leslie "Gerald Ford" King and Donald "Don Jr." Trump, Jr.

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foggy 12 points 3 years ago

I hope all media refer to him as Ronald until this goes away.

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LadyAutumn 91 points 3 years ago

The amount of abject cruelty that is being leveled at trans children in Florida is fucking horrifying. This is legally enforced humiliation and bullying. This alone would have been more than enough to drive me to suicide when I was a child myself. And they are absolutely aware that this will cause that. Ron plans to orchestrate a genocide in Florida. He's essentially forced every single person, company, doctor, politician, educator, teacher, any professional human being or group of human beings who values human life out of the state. When he's done all that will remain are the most openly violent fascists and all the people who are too impoverished to leave the state. Of which many such impoverished disenfranchised people are trans children. How such open fascist power has not been internationally condemned and how he himself has not faced expulsion from any political office and faced serious legal actions from the government of the United States is beyond me. I thought world War 2 and the rise of fascism in Europe was supposed to have taught us something. Evidently not.

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SocialMediaSettler 24 points 3 years ago

Fascism should've ended with WW2. The most violent ruthless war in human history. The death count alone is mind-blowing.

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loutr 14 points 3 years ago

Yeah but "COMMUNISM killed more people" so fascism is cool I guess.

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afraid_of_zombies 8 points 3 years ago

You could just not like dictatorships no matter what their official doctrine might be. It is allowed.

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lolcatnip 3 points 3 years ago

Fascism exists outside dictatorships. Like in Florida, for example.

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afraid_of_zombies 8 points 3 years ago

I know I did the numbers once and if you just lined up the dead combatants from the USSR side head to toe it would cover a distance from NYC to LA multiple times.

Most depressing road trip ever.

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Twelve20two 14 points 3 years ago

What's going on is the ramp up to genocide

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whofearsthenight 2 points 3 years ago

I thought world War 2 and the rise of fascism in Europe was supposed to have taught us something.

They don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em.

WWII might have been the end, but they've slowly been worsening education especially in places like Florida. I think at this point, capitalist social media is also a significant cause of the rise in fascism. When Zuck decides to platform holocaust deniers or twitter decides "free speech [for nazis]" it legitimizes it. It doesn't take much before this translates into real life. You surround yourself online in your little bubble with all of the other crazies (yay Facebook is bringing people together) long enough and it's nearly impossible not to translate that into the real world.

History is pretty fuckin' easy to repeat if you don't know the history.

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Red_October 84 points 3 years ago

Did you know that in the worst case sea level scenario due to climate change, all of Florida will be completely underwater? That means that while the world IS headed toward an inhospitable hellscape, at least we have the silver lining of seeing Florida completely eradicated.

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blue_zephyr 30 points 3 years ago

You're not thinking this through. Every Florida man alive will flee to dry land. Florida is a people, not a place.

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youthinkyouknowme 17 points 3 years ago

Idk, wouldn't they spread to other states or maybe most move to the same location and then turn that place into new Florida

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DLSchichtl 13 points 3 years ago
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youthinkyouknowme 4 points 3 years ago

Wait where have I seen this before

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Gustephan 9 points 3 years ago

That would entail admitting that climate change is real and that GQP mythos was wrong about something. Based on the way we handled covid, I wouldn't worry about most floridians migrating due to climate change

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TheDoozer 10 points 3 years ago

So basically deny it's happening until the water is up to their necks, then start talking about the importance of boats while they drown?

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archonet 4 points 3 years ago

New Florida already exists. It's called Ohio.

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FlyingSquid 9 points 3 years ago

Considering the victory Ohioans just had, I don't know about that.

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archonet 1 point 3 years ago

listen, Florida is more than a set of policy decisions by pudding fingers, Florida is a state of mind.

I assure you, Ohio residents are equally batshit. I live in Erie, PA and deal with them regularly.

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mojo 9 points 3 years ago

They'll just leave and ruin everywhere else. At least they're contained in their shit hole

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Reverendender 2 points 3 years ago

“Those shithole states.”

-Donald Trump probably

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Skepticpunk 2 points 3 years ago

Ahh, the Florida Containment Theory.

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Iusedtobeanadventurer -7 points 3 years ago

Did you know that most voters in Florida don't agree with this shit and that taking glee in the potential eradication of an entire people and their home is exactly the same kind of shit that racists do when they blame all Muslims for terrorism or Hitler and the Nazis did when they targeted a population for their religion (or for simply being related to someone who was a Jew)?

The examples of this "they're the bad guys" generalism is part of the problem. If you're really so enlightened, don't be part of the problem, too, it only alienates more who might be part of solving the problem if they weren't ostracized over something as stupid as their birthplace or where they choose to live.

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reddithalation 8 points 3 years ago

I mean they voted for the people that do this stuff. Just by nature of how voting works, a majority of them likely agree.

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prole 8 points 3 years ago

DeSantis won his last election by the largest margin in a Florida election in over 40 years

If this isn't what people there want, they've got a very strange way of showing it.

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jimbo 5 points 3 years ago
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mojo 80 points 3 years ago

All this to bully the 10 whole trans kids. What goes through these fascist fucks heads

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stochasticity 24 points 3 years ago

Hate gets votes

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SeatBeeSate 6 points 3 years ago

Fear maintains power.

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blazera 77 points 3 years ago

Aha i remember when conservatives claimed to be the party of small government.

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PoliticalAgitator 21 points 3 years ago

That was when they were just psychopathically neoliberal and "small government" was code for "we want gut regulations so corporations can put formaldehyde in milk again".

Which they'll still do of course, it just won't win them elections these days. So they pander to bigots to make up the numbers.

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who8mydamnoreos 9 points 3 years ago

They still claim it, been claiming it my entire life and it has never been true

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baruchin 62 points 3 years ago

This is insane. Fascist.

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HonkTonkWoman 21 points 3 years ago

Only if your legal name is Fascist, otherwise I’m gonna need to see that permission slip…

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blue_zephyr 11 points 3 years ago

It's extra ironic because conservatives want you to believe that people are somehow forcing them to use certain pronouns, but they're the only ones passing fascist laws that dictate what pronouns you're required to use.

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HerbalGamer 60 points 3 years ago

How's that freedom working out for you guys?

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Kankii 7 points 3 years ago

Land of the free and home of the brave...

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HerbalGamer 10 points 3 years ago

I guess you have to be brave to live there.

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lingh0e 57 points 3 years ago

So is DeSantis going to start going by Ronald now?

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PoweredByGeena 25 points 3 years ago

He IS a clown. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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lolcatnip 3 points 3 years ago

Clowns at least make an effort at being entertaining.

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NekoKamiGuru 10 points 3 years ago

Ronald Dion DeSantis, you MUST use his full legal name now.

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blue_zephyr 52 points 3 years ago

You'd think that half the population of Florida is trans with the disproportional amount of effort the gremlins in charge undetake to inflict cruelty on them.

When are the people of Florida going to put their precious second amendment rights to good use?

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afraid_of_zombies 24 points 3 years ago

The enemy has to be all powerful and easy to defeat.

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MajorHavoc 52 points 3 years ago

Grrr. "Call people what they ask you to call them." is not supposed to a difficult aspect of the Golden Rule to understand.

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FuglyDuck 10 points 3 years ago

Call me Dark Lord Snugglypoo... ...and I will question your life choices.

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MajorHavoc 13 points 3 years ago

Anything you say, Dark Lord Snugglypoo.

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CaptThax 4 points 3 years ago

No! FuglyDuck I assume is your given name and I will only call you FuglyDuck!

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billwashere 2 points 3 years ago

Well I will assume that Snuglypoo is your family name and FuglyDuck is your given name so I shall call you Dark Lord FuglyDuck Snugglpoo.

My liege…

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FuglyDuck 2 points 3 years ago

It’s more honest anyhow.

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PrincessLeiasCat 48 points 3 years ago

Under the guidance, published Monday (7 August), teachers at schools in Orange County must use pronouns and titles that correspond to their “biological sex” at birth, and parents must fill out a form to let teachers know of any deviation from their child’s legal name, even if this is a simple nickname.

So if the governor of Florida was subjected to this “guidance”, he would need permission to go by Ron.

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FlyingSquid 17 points 3 years ago

This is the same guy going to war with Disney World who also held his wedding there.

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Decoy321 47 points 3 years ago

This is so ridiculously out of touch. You think they're gonna stop kids from using nicknames?

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Diplomjodler 43 points 3 years ago

That's not just out of touch, that's Stalinist purge level dystopian. And those despicable fucks have the gall to go on about how they're in favour of "freedom".

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PoliticalAgitator 10 points 3 years ago

It doesn't have to work, it just has to be one of a thousand cuts.

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blue_zephyr 4 points 3 years ago

At the least this law will protect teachers that bully trans students, at the most they could start actively prosecuting teachers for using a student's preferred pronouns.

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cvozbosher 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 2227584 2228749, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
NigelFrobisher 40 points 3 years ago

At this point I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear that Florida had switched to using human skulls as a currency.

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blue_zephyr 8 points 3 years ago

LGBTQ+ skulls to be specific.

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afraid_of_zombies 3 points 3 years ago

Who run Bartertown?

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Reverendender 1 point 3 years ago

How many orphan souls cans I get for 6 skulls?

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kaitco 33 points 3 years ago

Florida makes me think that we would be better off with just 49 states.

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ImplyingImplications 32 points 3 years ago

Just swap Florida and Puerto Rico

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kaitco 18 points 3 years ago

That’s fair! Would hardly need to change much, honestly.

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afraid_of_zombies 4 points 3 years ago

Make Florida and Washington DC part of Puerto Rico then admit all 3 as one state.

That way no one is happy.

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orangeNgreen 17 points 3 years ago

As a guy living in Florida, I agree with you.

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foggy 12 points 3 years ago

Yo Puerto Rico is dope.

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pozbo 3 points 3 years ago

I smell a trade brewing!

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foggy 8 points 3 years ago

TRADE OFFER:

US recieves: Puerto Rico

Atlantic Ocean recieves: Florida

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x4740N 9 points 3 years ago

It and the rest of america's dystopian history makes me think america would have been better if they lost the revolutionary war and later gained independence peacefully like Australia for example

I am serious about this opinion

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darthfabulous42069 0 points 3 years ago

It wouldn't have. The American Revolution inspired revolutions in 60 other countries, including the French, Haitian and Mexican revolutions, and it's what helped kickstart modern-day democracy in much of the world for that fact. Had the U.S. lost, it would have forever cemented the idea that the crown is all-powerful, beyond reproach, and the only way to get anything in life is to kiss the ring.

No matter how evil the U.S. turned out to be, the way it began will always be its true importance imo.

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8BitRoadTrip 7 points 3 years ago

It’s become the boomer republic but it could be so much better.

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gabe 6 points 3 years ago

Won't need to, most of it's gonna be underwater eventually anyway..

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Drusas 3 points 3 years ago

And then its hateful citizens will infest other states.

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Rottcodd 28 points 3 years ago

I left Florida in '93, and there were times I regretted it. There were a lot of good things about Florida, and it was always interesting. And once you adapt to the weather, it's nice (if a bit dull).

Now though? Holy fuck I'm glad I'm not there. I don't even understand what's going on there - it's like some sort of mass psychosis. It's gone way beyond a political shift - it's more as if someone decided that the thing to do was to establish some sort of right-wing version of the Khmer Rouge and a bunch of Floridians said, "Yeah! That'd be great!"

At the rate they're going, it's only a matter if time before they start systematically killing "undesirables".

Seriously.

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v_krishna 10 points 3 years ago

I lived there from 2010-2012 and it was more than enough to realize I would never do that again, esp with a funny foreign name, brown skin, and mixed race daughters. It's sad too, thinking about e.g. Carl Hiaasen or Tim Dorsey, or time I've spent camping in the keys or swimming in fresh water springs in Central Florida. There's clearly some real majestic environmental beauty and culture there but jesus christ has the states human culture gone absolutely to shit.

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FlyingSquid 6 points 3 years ago

Utah is similar. Breathtaking natural beauty, but you couldn't pay me to live there.

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EssentialCoffee 4 points 3 years ago

The folks coming to my area fleeing Florida said the worst of the worst moved there during Covid.

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skellener 27 points 3 years ago

Florida - The Fascist State

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lolcatnip 1 point 3 years ago

The most fascist state, but definitely not the only one. Texas is a close second.

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skellener 1 point 3 years ago

It’s a race to the bottom

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Stinkywinks 27 points 3 years ago

How do you ban nicknames? What if they just state this is the name I prefer to be called? People named William being called will or bill, is that a nickname? Why are Republicans so damn stupid? Mfers trying to block porn hub like most the Internet isn't filled with porn.

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Misconduct 19 points 3 years ago

Hopefully everyone takes it this literally and all the bigoted Bobs/Bills etc feel as stupid as they are.

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TheProtagonist 26 points 3 years ago

Next step: thought police that comes after you each time you think about another sex than your own!

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OutlierBlue 9 points 3 years ago

That's what the gay agenda has been after the whole time!?

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User_4272894 25 points 3 years ago

*Nicholasnames

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surewhynotlem 2 points 3 years ago

*slow clap

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CrafterMeeple 1 point 3 years ago

Comments like this almost make me wish Lemmy had awards

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leadrunes 23 points 3 years ago

youth have been turned into political cannon fodder for generations. we're creating mass poverty and homelessness on a hockey stick curve yet we have to continue to focus all our attention on garbage engineered to divide the population like this. really cool stuff

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cultsuperstar 23 points 3 years ago

What about kids that prefer to be called by their middle name? Would that need permission to not be called by their first name? What if they go by their middle name, Edward, but prefer to be called Ed? Would they need two permission forms? Lol

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IonAddis 9 points 3 years ago
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afraid_of_zombies 7 points 3 years ago

Not a law talking guy, I thought that one of the constantly brought up issues in civil rights cases is selective enforcement of rules. Schools allowed hats but suddenly decided a turban wasn't allowed for example.

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Mon0 23 points 3 years ago
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Ragnell 25 points 3 years ago

@Mon0 Voter suppression is rampant in the US.

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afraid_of_zombies 15 points 3 years ago

My city demographics are about 80% white 20% Asian and the household income average is over 100k. It has changed a bit but it was fairly reliable GOP for a while. My polling place is walking distance from my house. If I am lazy I can drive and there is a massive parking lot. No lines, I have timed it, walking in to getting in the booth in under a minute. We are also (I was a poll worker a few years ago) able to brag that in the entire history of the provisional ballet system we have never once thrown out a vote. The goal is no eligible voter turned away.

The city next to mine is nearly all POC and reliable DNC, they have less places to vote, and every single election there are news reports of multiple hour long lines.

If voting didn't matter they wouldn't be working so fucking hard from denying it to certain groups. Vote vote vote!

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gamer 7 points 3 years ago

I think the only people who vote in state elections are political nerds. The average person in Florida probably didn't know that much about Desantis before he started trying to run for president.

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Coreidan 21 points 3 years ago

Florida is cancer.

Can we just turn the state into an island and have it float out into the sea?

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Elderos 30 points 3 years ago

There is enough trash in the ocean as it is.

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FlyingSquid 9 points 3 years ago

Bugs Bunny had the right idea.

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normonator 2 points 3 years ago

A crater there would fill in with water

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HellAwaits 19 points 3 years ago
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Squids 18 points 3 years ago

As an outsider (and someone with this name situation), I'm morbidly curious about what happens when a kid has a name that's the opposite gender as them, either because it's a gender neutral name in their culture, or because their parents just named them like that? Because I have a sneaking suspicion they're suddenly going to be fine with 'unapproved nicknames' when their alternative is calling a boy Vyvian or a girl Terrance

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brygphilomena 9 points 3 years ago

A boy named Sue.

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EssentialCoffee 6 points 3 years ago

Michael was becoming a common girl's name when I was a kid.

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FlyingSquid 3 points 3 years ago

Their own former president Gerald Ford was born Leslie King. Leslie is usually a girl's name, isn't it?

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lolcatnip 1 point 3 years ago

Not so much back then.

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FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago

Uh... Leslie Caron, Leslie Stahl, Lesley Gore, Lesley Ann Warren...

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Bluescluestoothpaste 15 points 3 years ago

I always thought homeschooling was for kids with crazy parents, but if I had a child in OC Florida I would absolutely homeschool them until we could move somewhere less insane.

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altima_neo 12 points 3 years ago

At this point, the parents would be crazy to keep living in Florida

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dangblingus 15 points 3 years ago

If anyone was wondering, Florida's government is safely now within the boundaries of "fascist policy making".

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bluu 15 points 3 years ago

Florida is the darkest timeline.

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BlackNo1 10 points 3 years ago

please saw florida off from the rest off the us bugs bunny

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AfricanExpansionist 8 points 3 years ago

Lol kids should give each other nicknames that are classroom objects and terms from the text. Or names of historical figures. "oh, now we can't say Abraham Lincoln because it's a nickname"

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OceanSoap 3 points 3 years ago

It's only the teachers that can't use nicknames without parent permission, not the kids.

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AfricanExpansionist 0 points 3 years ago

That changes nothing

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TechnoBabble 8 points 3 years ago

Sure it does.

It makes teachers wonder why, yet again, they're being forced to bear the brunt of the culture war, and they're going to eventually quit.

Then the schools won't be able to find good teachers, the education system will be further deteriorated, and private schools will become the only schools worth attending, further eroding the future prospects of working-class Floridian children and America as a whole.

I don't think that's the grand strategy at play, I just think the people in charge don't care if it happens, as long as they get enough praise from their voters.

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Reverendender 1 point 3 years ago

It’s definitely the strategy at play. This is how they ensure themselves a poor and compliant workforce.

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Poggervania 7 points 3 years ago

Wait, so does that mean if somebody is named Dick, I can’t call them Richard?

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wolfeh 6 points 3 years ago

So, when will the U.S. be sending their National Guard to Florida like they did during the integration of their southern schools?

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shankrabbit 6 points 3 years ago

The fact that they say "nickname" is insulting. As kids that are trans discover and explore their identity they change their name to match where they're at in their journey. It's not a nickname, it's just simply their name.

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PyroNeurosis 7 points 3 years ago

We know that, and at some level the enforcers know that, but this is about cutting off all possible loopholes.

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blue_zephyr 5 points 3 years ago

The cruelty is the point. This law has no reason to exist other than to directly harm the mental health of trans children.

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Moobythegoldensock 2 points 3 years ago

The Orange County Public Schools (OCPS) system in Florida has announced new guidance that means trans teachers will be misgendered and students will need parental consent for “any deviation” from their legal name.

BRB: moving to Florida and renaming my child “His-Royal-Highness-And-Most-Eminent-The-Great-And-Sexy-Bartholomew-Mayweather-George-Anderson-Chaplet-RonDesantisIsAFucknutt I II III.

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