they've lived long enough to become the bad guys

Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.

Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good

I'm thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features

Had no idea! Thanks I’m getting off brave!

Thanks for pointing this out! I was already using Firefox, but after looking this up I found out that they also got rid of him for being homophobic.

Firefox it is!

i always use software for what it is, ignoring the beliefs of its creator, but ive already been using firefox, librewolf and mullvad browser since i moved to linux, and i have only been seeing people say stuff that shows chromium is worse. (except for people with no argument of course)

The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate.

Sure. And here we are. I'm sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I'm not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don't know. I'm not confident based on what I've seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them.

You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it.

Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn't hurt people to stay, I don't think we'll see a shift.

Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE's mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind.

Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king.

They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens!

I cannot leave Twitter as I never used it.

How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it.

Thats a great point and something to consider.

True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences.

Bro wait till you install Linux.

It's actually better as a stock experience than windows 11.

Privacy and not being part of Google would be the biggest reason.

It also looks kinda nice, in my opinion.

It's also faster than chrome now I think.

Apart from privacy concerns, Google has started to add some really bad features to Chrome, such as "Manifest V3" and "Web Environment Integrity". These limit your ability to block ads or generally modify your device or the websites you're visiting, and are just a bad for the web as a whole. WEI in particular is basically DRM for the web, so Google checks your device and denies you access to websites if they don't like it. But as long as the majority of people keep using Chrome they can just force these things onto everyone.

You have 3 options:

• Enable Linux container and install FF in Linux: https://chromeos.dev/en/linux/setup
• Install FF from Play Store
• If your Chromebook is old enough to not be capable of either, then you can wipe ChromeOS and install Linux bare-metal. mrchromebox.tech

Not even as an Android app? I've run Firefox from crostini as well but the Android approach is a lot easier.

Hey, at least installing a foss browser won't slow down your phone like a spyware app, you could always try something like Mull even for only a portion of your browsing if you have ~80MB to spare. I suggest it because I hate some of that extra bullshit that comes with standard Firefox. Also there's tons of projects that try similar stuff with Chromium! Like Mulch. Way better defaults than Chrome

Depending on which Chromebook it is, you can always install the Linux container and install it in there

The Android FF is not a great user experience for sure. On desktop it's just fine but Android is janky. I tolerate anyway to support Firefox but chrome is miles better on mobile.

Which features? Chrome is barebones imo while others like Edge and Opera are the "glorified" browsers with many features.

I’m forced to use either Chrome or Edge for my work computer and it drives me crazy.

Chrome doesn't support extensions at all on iOS, only Safari does - because of Apple. Firefox would absolutely support extensions and use Gecko on Ios if Apple let them.

The heck? UBlock works on Mac- ohhh is this an M1/M2 thing I was unaware of?

Nevermind, you said IOS not MacOS

But there is strict tracking protection which acts like a slightly degraded ad blocker. It has blocked everything except YouTube ads and "you have ad blocker enabled" pop ups for me.

Wouldn't those 427 things make chrome slow too

Or worse, "Why should I switch to Firefox? Everybody's complaining about the performance of Firefox compared to Chrome, but Chrome just works for me."

Blissfully unaware of the kind of power you're giving Google over the Internet by using their browser. I once had an experience where someone tried to use this to push me back to using Chrome.

There is also the initial load problem where it would take longer to load in Firefox compared to chrome. Yet people will attribute it to the browser and not the fact that assets were already stored in chrome.

Fox Fire thingy

Oh god, I'm having Vietnam flashbacks

Try branch -u origin/main /s

They just announced that all extensions will be available for Firefox Mobile by the end of the year.

You may know this, but Firefox does support multiple profiles. I regularly open it with firefox -p "PROFILENAME" depending on whether I'm working or not. you can go to about:profiles to manage the different profiles.

Isn't Opera Chromium now too?

Google has gone to absolute shit. Unless you let them stick their hand down your pants and fondle you, you can't even use their search engine with out getting hit with a captcha so they can use browser fingerprinting to track you. We were all hearded into the slaughter house and they are just now starting up the kill machines.

Mhm, I see that point, although I find it concerning given that the quality of the UX platforms like youtube has kept a consistent decline over the past decade. It feels like google keeps amassing more and more reasons for people to enable adblockers but I also understand youtube needs to be a profitable business and at some point you need to show ads

It won't be a change no one notices though. Even non-savvy people who use ad-blockers are obviously going to notice that the internet suddenly became a significantly terrible experience.

I think this is true for everything… we just notice it when we’re the ones ahead.

Some people can’t change tires, some can’t cook, some can do basic plumbing, some can’t remove appendixes, some can’t swim… whatever.

Granted, I think the main divide were all on the good side of is “some people know how to search, some people don’t”

One day my friend, one day I will make a Linux convert

Strict tracking protection makes Firefox on Android a ton faster, especially on any website owned by Google or any link that has a Google wrapper (e.g. clicking a link on the Gmail app)

I just installed immich today, but you need a server to selfhost it.

Seems really good though.

As for the backup portion, mega has offered free 50GB for ages. And you can setup shared folders. I just use that for now. As for other data, I think I'll just buy a NAS and self-host.

It's a bit of a shift, there's no real good alternative, so Google's long hook and bait is turning into even worse money pump.

One bad to another, there's Amazon prime photos which offers unlimited photos. Gives you 5GB of video storage which is practically useless.

Yeah if Google can get big websites like Facebook or Xwitter to use their DRM, then the average user will be forced to use Chrome for those sites, and it will be an advertiser free-for-all.

It's a question that only time will probably tell. But I'm 100% sure that, as long as alternative browsers exist that allow adblockers, they'll find a way to block ads on e.g. Youtube.

Unless they start injecting the ads into the video directly (kind of like some apps do that display ads even when your device is offline), even then though, Sponsorblock theoretically exists.

The manifest v3 situation does mean other browsers will continue to be able to block ads on YouTube; however, the new drm that Google is proposing for websites would effectively allow YouTube to block any browser they didn't like from viewing the site at all.

Not the person you responded to, but more tabs visible at once & being able to group them as a tree is incredibly useful.

The grouping as tree thing happens automatically in sidebery (extension for firefox). When you have a tab open, any link you click will be added as a child node to the current tab. If you're doing research, or just don't want to lose your focus, it is immensely helpful.

Brave supports vertical tabs but doesn't do the tree thing. Not useful at all compared to sidebery tbh. I don't know how Edge works in that regard though.

I'm assuming the people who use tabs as bookmarks

In addition to what others have said, I prefer more vertical space for webpages. Vertical tabs take up much less space and are, in my opinion, much easier to organize. I also don't need to see the title bar constant and the favicon is plenty for me to keep track of what's there.

Grouping helps me keep ideas together. I don't like to bookmark things I'm only going to need for a few hours/days, so grouping tabs helps me keep them open without them getting in the way.

As I said in my original comment, none of those workarounds feel good. They show their seams constantly. I've tried a handful of extensions and not one feels as good as or is as feature complete as what's native in Edge.

I haven't ever tried it on mobile. I probably don't use my mobile browser enough to justify it, but now I'm going to have to look into it.

I'll be trying this out tonight. I hope you're right.

And it's still not what I'd (personally) call pleasant. I tried a plethora of different setups and not one comes close to what Edge offers out of the box.

I'm not trying to shill for Edge. I would 100% prefer not to use it just based on principle. But I can't help it that it has features I've come to NEED.

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Not the person you're replying to but I sometimes have issues with PWAs not loading when I open them and then I have to close it and re-open to get it to load

That's the only major issue I have and I find the ability to use ad blockers as well as the nice reading mode to make my overall mobile browsing experience leagues better than with Chrome

I use Mull with Bitwarden. Hardened Firefox on Linux

I mostly use Firefox but some Azure admin stuff only works in chrome or edge.

People don't like change. But I'm a hypocrite. I've tried switching to Firefox multiple times but I always go back, not even really sure why. I use it as a secondary browser these days.

Different choices? Bad UI? People like me that despise Mozilla? Fuck them.

Oh damn. Ok thanks!

It's slower but not much slower. It used to be a much bigger difference, especially when Chrome just came out.

For a power user like me, Firefox is the only option.

Yes many firefox fans say firefox is faster than chrome. I saw it in the comments too. That was the only thing I focused on.

Her? Please enlighten

Please clarify, I've ued chrome for years with no real knowledge of the pros/cons

I get your point of view, but I didn't want to buy from Apple either. Before the purchase I knew how locked down iOS is. But since Apple basically owns the education space, I had no other choice

Thanks, I checked the Adguard site again and configured it properly using the profiles and not just the per WiFi IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. Now I get 71% on an adblock test. DNSCloak however didn't do anything really, in the test I used it made no difference to a not blocking DNS

It has been announced a few years ago.

It's in effect since the beginning of this year

I think I've seen it every day for the last week