(1) Achene. A small hard indehiscent fruit. The term is strictly only applied to those formed from one carpel, but is sometimes used for those formed from two carpels (e.g. the fruit of the Compositae). The latter is better termed a cypsela.

(2) Nut. This is similar to an achene, but is typically formed from two or three carpels (e.g. dock fruit).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/...

i. Achene - A one-seeded, dry, indehiscent fruit; the one seed is attached to the fruit wall at a single point.

ii. Nut - A dry, indehiscent, one seeded fruit similar to an achene but with the wall greatly thickened and hardened.

https://courses.botany.wisc.edu/...

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Robust_Mirror 5 points a year ago

Also, even if they were, it wouldn't make the strawberry a nut. It would make it covered in nuts.

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Lemminary 2 points a year ago

Thank you! 👏

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shoki 25 points a year ago

Why is microsoft from Germany writing in English? Why don't they just post it on their main Account which actually has a primarely English-speaking audience?

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f314 15 points a year ago

The original post (not shown in the screenshot) is from PBS, that’s why it says “Author” by their name. If it was in English (likely) it makes sense to answer in English as well.

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shoki 15 points a year ago

Ok, the original post by PBS is just cropped out, that makes sense, thanks for the explanation

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Venus_Ziegenfalle 21 points a year ago

To me arguing over which fruit belongs in which category is a prime example of people arguing over shadows in Plato's cave. Not that it's a waste of time or anything but sometimes people act like tomatoes won't grow if you call them vegetables. Like at the end of the day it's just humans developing a system to make sense of nature rather than discovering an inherent, pre-existing system.

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barsoap 13 points a year ago

Like at the end of the day it’s just humans developing a system to make sense of nature

The core of the matter is that we have multiple, mutually incompatible schemes sharing in part the same terminology. Biology is not cooking, both fields care about vastly different things thus the categorisation scheme is different, that's the end of it. Culinarily, tomatoes have too much umami to be fruit. Botanically peppermint is an aromatic, I recommend you not put any into your soffritto.

EDIT:

Tomato is also dominated by oxalic acid, not malic, citric, (typical fruit acids) or acetic (fermented/overripe). Oxalic acid is in parsley, chives, spinach, beans, lettuce, that kind of stuff. "It's sour" isn't sufficient to describe a taste profile, our tongues may not tell them apart but our noses definitely do.

I think it should be possible to break the culinary categorisation down to chemistry. That doesn't tell you anything about the "why" but it's definitely not random and definitely not all in our heads.

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petrol_sniff_king 5 points a year ago

Oh, this is actually a perfect example of the arbitreity of mapping systems!

A looong time ago on reddit, I got into an argument with someone who was doing that thing where you confuse the map for the object itself. We were mostly talking about the chemistry table. But anyway, he just could not see how a change in motivation, that is what the map designer finds useful, could change how the map is arranged.

I mean, I don't think this would convince him: he would just say the culinary version isn't real. But still, I really like it.

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TropicalDingdong 4 points a year ago

I mean that's a pretty big difference right?

Like, the periodic tables mapping isn't arbitrary or alternate.

Like you can't actually map the periodic a different way and it's in a sense "self evident" in a way arbitrary mappings aren't.

The periodic table itself is a kind of proof of quantum theory, or at least, strong supporting evidence. While it can be displayed differently, actually couldn't be arranged differently and the things we know about physics hold true.

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petrol_sniff_king 3 points a year ago

Ah, there he is!

Just kidding.

The extreme usefulness of the one periodic table as we know it is why this is so hard to talk about. Philosophically, it isn't any different: it is arranged by human values for human consumption. I think there is likely a strong reason that alien values would converge here, but that doesn't really affect its arbitreity. The elements don't have value unto themselves, they just are.

And there are plenty of different ways to arrange it. For one, if all you care about are the metals for some reason, you can arrange the nonmetals out of it completely. You could keep a linear, alphabetical list because whatever work you're doing is derived from chemistry but does not actually care about atomic values.

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barsoap 2 points a year ago

Like, the periodic tables mapping isn’t arbitrary or alternate.

Neither the biology nor culinary mappings are arbitrary, they have their rhyme and reason. Also biology would be the alternate one? Because the culinary definitions were definitely first.

Did you know that there's quite extreme disagreements on what metals are? Chemists will tell you one thing and not be particularly unified in their response around the topic of semimetals, while astrophysicists have a very simple definition of metals: Anything that has more protons than helium.

Who is right? This has nothing to do with metaphysics (I've read a bit down the thread) as in "what is beyond physics, god, and stuff", but how we interpret our (scientific) observations. Neither definition of metals is more correct than the other, they're both maps drawn by scientists caring about vastly different things. Neither side says that the other is wrong -- they just don't care for it.

Back to the periodic table itself: Defining elements by protons has quite some predictive power but at the same time it's a vast oversimplification of what actually goes on, ask any quantum chemist. It is rooted in quite hard science, but that doesn't make it ground reality. Actual reality is something we can't observe because to observe anything we first have to project it into our minds. All perception is modelling: Ask any neuroscientist. Or, for that matter, Plato.

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stray 2 points a year ago

I think it should be possible to break the culinary categorisation down to chemistry. That doesn't tell you anything about the "why" but it's definitely not random and definitely not all in our heads.

I agree with what you mean in kind of a broad-strokes way, but as individuals our subjective experiences of flavors can vary pretty wildly. There's genetics, neurology, age, and habit/experience that influence our taste in terms of actually sensing the chemicals. Then there's what we see, taste, and smell just prior or during tasting that severely impact our interpretation of that chemical sense.

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southsamurai 1 point a year ago

You never had tomato pie? It would likely change your idea of what too much savoriness is.

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barsoap 1 point a year ago

I haven't but that sounds like a pie not a cake. A meal, not a dessert.

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southsamurai 3 points a year ago

Well, not all pies are desserts for sure, but a tomato pie is, unless you deviate from the usual recipes.

Besides, you didn't say that a dessert has to be a cake.

There's also tomato jams, compote, and you can do a tomato cake mind you, a tomato cake is really more like banana bread, where it's a flavoring more than the star of the show.

Point is that tomatoes can definitely serve in the same role as "fruit", just like some things that are sweeter can be used in savory dishes.

It's about the preparation, not the ingredient. I mean, look at bacon jam. Not a dessert, but it's a savory and sweet spread that's used in the same was as fruit based jams. Onion jam is in the same range (and, as a side note, there's also onion and tomato pie which is more of a savory dish than a dessert, despite being fairly sweet anyway).

From a culinary standpoint, there are few ingredients that are fully excluded from dessert territory by virtue of having strong savory taste. There's also not many excluded from entrees purely because they're sweet. It's all a wonderful spectrum of sweet and savory

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P00ptart -5 points a year ago

"Botanically" "culinary" "terminology" "biology" and then you say umami seriously. Which is entirely made up.

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barsoap 2 points a year ago

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33580387/

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cute_noker 3 points a year ago

I totally agree. It is completely nonsense to say. In other languages it is different. I just know some Spanish, but they don't have a word for berries or nuts, it is all just fruit. (Forrest fruit for berries or dried fruit for nuts) but they don't call potatoes vegetables, but "tuberculo". Interesting difference, which i guess is because they have another climate and other plants.

We do just call it a vegetable in my language.

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anzo 1 point a year ago

Technically, the pre-existing system could be evolutionary biology. I'm just saying that in some cases, a little bit of pedantry is enjoyable. It's an acquired taste, maybe

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chunes 18 points a year ago

I've heard every combination of "[food] is actually [plant part]" so any time anyone says this type of sentence, I just roll my eyes.

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milicent_bystandr 13 points a year ago

Cabbages are actually tree trunks

Raspberries are actually tubers

Wheat is actually a berry

And oranges are actually an eldritch, ante-dimensional horror perpetrated by intelligent, unseen beings

Also acorns are the progenitors of oranges.

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Hupf 5 points a year ago

Potatoes

are actually an eldritch, ante-dimensional horror perpetrated by intelligent, unseen beings

too.

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grrgyle 2 points a year ago

Yeah it's just meaningless factoids to me now.

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ArchmageAzor 17 points a year ago

I want to fill a spoon with strawberry seeds and see how it tastes

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LogicalDrivel 10 points a year ago

You gotta shell them first.

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Evil_Shrubbery 14 points a year ago

So what this nerd is saying is that we can milk a strawberry??

Before the tech gets there, let's commission some "art" on that subject?

(For real, the seeds being nuts is a stretch)

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stray 8 points a year ago

Strawberries do not have nipples. :(

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Evil_Shrubbery 9 points a year ago

Ofc not, don't be silly.

Nuts have nipples (where do you think almond milk comes from? Kids today have prob never seen an almond on a farm & think almond milk grows in the stores!).

And if the seeds on the strawberries really are "nuts", then we should be able to milk them.
I see no flaw in my logic.

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milicent_bystandr 3 points a year ago

The real problem these days is with intensive almond farming. Almond tastes better from free range almonds, with space to graze in peace and calm between the bushes.

Have you heard of "bitter almonds"? Turns up in mystery novels. It's what you get from caged almonds raised on steroids.

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Evil_Shrubbery 3 points a year ago

I love it when activists save caged almonds & how their little faces light up when, for the first time in their nutty lives, they arent sucked on by a relentless machine.

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Natanox 3 points a year ago

This thread gets dangerously close to r34 territory, and I do not know if I like that.

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Evil_Shrubbery 2 points a year ago

Well, unfortunately I'm no artist & I'm against AI (the system, not the tech as such), so no pics.

But yeah, definitely, can you imagine the number of nips on a single strawberry? And the satisfaction of each nut? The dripping milk?

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Tollana1234567 5 points a year ago

Strawberry cows

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Evil_Shrubbery 9 points a year ago

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LovableSidekick 1 point a year ago

Grazing in strawberry fields forever

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ebolapie 2 points a year ago

If strawberries do not have nipples, then where does strawberry milk come from?

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queermunist 10 points a year ago

Like cashews!

I thought nuts had to come from trees, though.

Like, peanuts aren't actually nuts.

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PunnyName 5 points a year ago

There's a legumes joke in there, but I dunno.

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queermunist 12 points a year ago

Peanuts claim to be nuts, but they aren't a legumtimate part of the taxonomy.

I dunno.

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Kolanaki 6 points a year ago

Ah, my favorite flavor enhancing chemical:

Monosodium Legumtimate.

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Obi 4 points a year ago

Honest attempt. 7.5/10.

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stray 2 points a year ago

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but cashews are drupes, not nuts. I don't know whether all true nuts come from trees, but all the ones I can think of do.

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queermunist 4 points a year ago

If strawberries are nuts, cashews are nuts. It's a seed that grows on the outside of an accessory fruit.

Obviously strawberries aren't nuts either but we're playing pretty fast and loose with words and meanings.

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alt_xa_23 1 point a year ago

The "nut" from a cashew is the seed a stone fruit (like the center of a peach pit). The strawberry "seed" is the entire fruit.

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queermunist 1 point a year ago

I don't see why the apple from a cashew can't also be classified as an aggregate accessory fruit, like the red flesh of the strawberry, which would make the cashew pit an achene like the seeds of a strawberry.

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ebolapie 1 point a year ago

What is a tree?

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queermunist 3 points a year ago

Although "tree" is a common word, there is no universally recognised precise definition of what a tree is, either botanically or in common language.[1][2] In its broadest sense, a tree is any plant with the general form of an elongated stem, or trunk, which supports the photosynthetic leaves or branches at some distance above the ground.

Well damn, I guess strawberries can be trees and nuts.

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Track_Shovel 8 points a year ago

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TheImpressiveX 16 points a year ago

You need to put an exclamation mark (!) before you insert the image, like this:

![](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20111228.gif)

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Track_Shovel 4 points a year ago

Thanks. I don't comment much anymore.

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ChexMax 8 points a year ago

Is this why strawberries are common allergens? Like so much more common than other fruits?

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stray 2 points a year ago

No, this post is not even accurate.

The substance in strawberries which causes allergic reactions is the fra a 1 protein which gives strawberries their red color. White strawberries have less of this protein and may be tolerated by people with this allergy, depending on individual sensitivity.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/...

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Zerush 7 points a year ago

While peanuts are not nuts, but legumes.

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Lemminary 5 points a year ago

I hereby christen thee, pealegumes.

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kokesh 7 points a year ago