Stop Killing Games has exceeded 1.3 million signatures!

Link for those who've yet to see it/sign the petition: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

BomberMan9865 58 points a year ago

I'm so glad to see that this has gotten so far. When I saw Ross' video on it I thought it was probably over. I hope some good change will come of this in the future.

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InFerNo 6 points a year ago

Who is "Ross"?

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Goldmage263 19 points a year ago

VideogameRoss is a youtube guy who really pioneered this whole movement. He has a series devoted to really old niche games that is really interesting (Ross' Game Dungeon). I'd highly reccomend looking into his standard content and the don't kill games afterward.

Edit: Also his voiceover halflife series is likely the best protagonist commentary series ever.

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mojofrododojo 7 points a year ago

Edit: Also his voiceover halflife series is likely the best protagonist commentary series ever.

It is. hard to say why but it's quite compelling.

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Ad4mWayn3 6 points a year ago

Freeman's mind is youtube gold. I can't play half-life without imagining gordon being a sociopath asshole.

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Killer_Tree 9 points a year ago

Creator of Freeman's Mind, Civil Protection, Ross' Game Dungeon, and Dead Game News. Generally short humerous videos focused on video games and the industry. Accursed Farms is his website with all his content. He started the Stop Killing Games movement.

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Allemaniac 4 points a year ago

from Friends obviously

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Gullible 37 points a year ago

A fair chunk will have come from the US. I would not be surprised to see a 20% drop in the end. Hope this goes somewhere for everyone’s sakes. And as always, avoid signing if you’re not eligible!

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iAmTheTot 42 points a year ago

My understanding is you need to input identification data, like a driver's license just as an example, to sign.

They expect some invalidating, hence aiming for over the million, but why do you think a "fair chunk" will be from USA specifically?

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Gullible 14 points a year ago

it’s just name/age/address. And I expect a decent chunk to be from outside the US because people are terrible at following directions when an issue pertains to them.

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iAmTheTot 25 points a year ago

I think it depends on the country. If you click on their instructions for different countries—Itally, for example—they have screenshots that show needing a document number like a Personal ID card.

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Damage 7 points a year ago

More than that, I was asked to login with my electronic identification account

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ViatorOmnium 2 points a year ago

Are ID Documents numbers validated on submit if you fill the form instead of using eID? Some countries don't even have an eID option, and Finland and Ireland don't even ask for document id.

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sp3ctr4l 13 points a year ago

No, not for the vast majority of EU States, no, it requires an actual official government id like the EU eID, your tax ID number, something like that.

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boovard 10 points a year ago

From Belgium it was also necessary to provide your social security number. And as more EU countries are moving towards e-id, I would assume there will be a negligible amount of non-EU signings.

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InFerNo 4 points a year ago

Just logged in via CSAM, didn't need to take out my eID or enter INSZ.

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Saik0Shinigami 7 points a year ago

Poland requires DigitalID or PESEL (National Identification Number, kinda like SSN for the yanks) number.

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AI_toothbrush 5 points a year ago

For me i had to write my personal number which is not something you could just guess on the fly so i dont think its so easy to fake signatures.

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nyancatec 2 points a year ago

It is. There's no system to check if signature exists in your country's ID list. Random number generator +random name generator is enough to "validate" the vote.

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PixTupy 3 points a year ago

I was asked for my ID number for Portugal.

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sugar_in_your_tea 4 points a year ago

It's a popular proposal, and gamers like to game the system.

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sp3ctr4l 25 points a year ago

No, no no.

You have to input your name, address, and various ways of establishing your EU member state, such as an EU electronic visa/id, or your specific EU state drivers liscence or tax id or some such, and the form makes it very obvious you must actually be an EU citizen.

Examples:

Poland

Portugal

Estonia

Its possible there could be spam or accidental/malformed inputs... but if you are putting fake info into an official government portal, especially en masse, thats potentially a number of crimes, and if its a genuine mistake from an EU citizen, it seems like there is a review process where people will be contacted and allowed to fix up their info.

Also, technically, there are a few countries with more lax submission requirements, such as the Netherlands, likely due to more intense personal privacy laws... but its not like this system is not logging people's IPs, not like they won't be taking that into acount.

This isn't a change.org petition, its an official EU government portal for a core process of democracy.

Knowingly falsifying info on this is again, potentially a large number of crimes, as if you say lied on voting registration, or lied to Social Security or your US state's unemployment assistance system.

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sugar_in_your_tea 2 points a year ago

I wouldn't put it past American gamers to make stuff up.

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ZoteTheMighty 8 points a year ago

I feel kinda helpless as an American watching the petition grow. I wonder what would happen if an American petition got big, would corporate America kill it? Would it get traction? Idk...

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Gullible 21 points a year ago

They’d let it grow to near 100% acceptance among relevant groups, then seed articles to split attention and truth, and then buy 60 senators for a bag of bubblegum and two spools of string.

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ShaggySnacks 4 points a year ago

then buy 60 senators for a bag of bubblegum and two spools of string.

The old senators will think that’s a good deal.

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MentalEdge 13 points a year ago

Does the US have citizens iniatives?

This isn't just a change.org petition. In the EU (and a lot of member countries) theres a system for citizens initiatives, which have the same or similar legal weight as laws proposed by legislators.

That doesn't mean the proposed laws get passed, but it does mean the people can bypass the politicians in order to at least get something onto the starting line.

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ViatorOmnium 7 points a year ago

They had the "We the people" platform, started by Obama. But Trump started ripping it apart, and Biden pulled the plug on his first day in the office.

And even then instead of being people driven, the US administration would choose what they want to address or not. For all the excesses of EU bureaucracy, there are plenty cases like this where it prevents politicians from ignoring people's concerns; they can still refuse to act, but at least the petition system forces them to go on record.

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sp3ctr4l 5 points a year ago

Many US states have official citizens initiatives systems, but not on the Federal level, no.

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ZoteTheMighty 5 points a year ago

Some states allow citizens to propose ballot measures if they get enough support, which then get put up to vote in the next election and become law, but both parties hate the practice and fight it wherever they can. No such thing exists at a national level though.

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mormund 8 points a year ago

Don't worry too much. If the EU passes legislation for this, you'll likely benefit from it as well, similar to all the other pro consumer things spilling over.

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sugar_in_your_tea 3 points a year ago

That's not really a thing here, the closest is a state level ballot initiative, which is supposed to be legally binding, but legislatures ignore/heavily modify them all the time.

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PirateFrog 33 points a year ago

Glad to see all of Ross's effort wasn't in vain :)

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etchinghillside 33 points a year ago

So… when do we get to play Concord? I assume that’s what this is all about.

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sp3ctr4l 26 points a year ago

Likely never, the intiative is not pushing for retroactive legal changes, it is pushing for new regulations / legal standards going forward.

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RightHandOfIkaros 16 points a year ago

Thankfully for publishers and unfortunately for us, it is not retroactive. But I do wish that it was.

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Allemaniac 8 points a year ago

if the game you bought isnt really yours, than sailing the high seas isnt really theft. I love the EU for their consumer rights agendas.

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Sunshine 6 points a year ago

Looks like it’s time for the reverse engineering folks to come in.

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mintiefresh 24 points a year ago

Holy moly. Amazing to see the numbers keep going up after the goal was met.

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Lemminary 5 points a year ago

We did it! *high fives self on the other side of the world*

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Pratai -1 points a year ago

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susurrus0 2 points a year ago

Kind of true, but the EU is not America, so don't apply the same standards. In the US it's extremely difficult to find a single politician that is not a completely corrupt criminal. The EU, on the other hand, is filled with a lot of politicians that also prioritize their positions and comfortable lives, but at least generally have somewhat positive intentions.

As for the European Citizens' Initiatives - they are very serious and usually result in actual legislation. Of course, there's no guarantee that this specific petition will lead to consumer protections. The only guarantee is that the European Comission will consider and talk about this. Afterwards, they'll negotiate with the lobbies and sometime later we - citizens of the EU - will get to write public feedback about the Comission's proposals in a post on their website, that may or may not be taken into consideration.

Overall it's still a fairly corrupt, far from ideally functioning system, but it's nowhere near the level of rot that the US is throwing out on full display. Despite the MEPs primarily looking out for their own best interests, we regularly receive more and more laws that benefit regular folk and not corporations. Meanwhile the last time the US has seen any real pro-people change was what, 40 years ago? The EU may be far from perfect, but please do not put it on the same shelf as America. There's no comparison to be made.

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duchess -66 points a year ago

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Railcar8095 35 points a year ago

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

If you have time to complain, you have time to sign! Not EU citizen? Then spread the word!

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duchess -17 points a year ago

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ArchmageAzor 18 points a year ago

If you're gonna be a troll you can at least be good at it.

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duchess -15 points a year ago

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Goldmage263 8 points a year ago

I'm actually going to remove my downvote and reserve judgement until a response.

What games do you play, and what games do you think this movement is targeting?

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duchess -12 points a year ago

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Goldmage263 3 points a year ago

You misunderstand me. It wasn't out of consideration for you; it's just a vote. I just want to remind myself that the person I want to be doesn't make snap judgements on half of a hot take. There hasn't been enough substance to affect me. You don't have to answer my original question, but I am still curious.

It‘s not about games that never need an internet connection

That is half correct. The big point is for games that are singleplayer that you pay up front for that require a internet connection for no good reason.

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duchess 2 points a year ago

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