It seems that the dev burned out.
Where are you seeing mention that the coma contributed to the choice to discontinue? I see in the !30rock@dubvee.org post that the community will be shut down despite the fact that the only mod is not able to even protest that decision or anything, but no other mention.
Yes, I posted his message in my post's body. https://dubvee.org/post/3788765
Thanks for that context.
The specific "burned out" is a common killer among folks that try this: community management
"Well, two years in, and I cannot say this place is any better, just differently bad if not worse. Too many people here seem to think that because it's not "corpo social media" that anything goes, and boy do some people really run with that."
I can't say I blame them. People can be horrible. Managing a community also means managing the worst of people. I had a former employer that did community management of a dating site. The level of mental trauma the front line workers endured was more than I could imagine. This is also why I completely understand instance admins that follow an aggressive blocking/banning approach. Beehaw put up tall walls and defederated aplenty. Blahaj.zone actively bans based upon user activity that is even on other unrelated instances. I can't fault either of these approaches because the alternative is dealing with the worst users en masse.
I hope that instance owner/manager gets some of that much deserved rest.
You might have read it in reverse? He started by asking for help from additional admins, then switched to wanting to shut it down and just be done with the Fediverse completely.
If he comes back, it will be on Beehaw or some such.
Sounds like someone wasn't prepared for the reality of human interaction on the internet.
I mean its completely fair to say that they don't want to deal with it, but also what did they expect?
I totally have to disagree. Instance owners are attacked here on Lemmy for trying to keep their instance in line with the local laws where they live. You know, which they totally have to keep free of legal trouble that might cost them a lot of time, money or even put them into jail. It's not great when admins have to deal with utter idiots in their free time. Remember the whole Nicole fiasco where some poor girl was harassed via a spam attack? Remember that spam attack with the scat porn? All this hate going around with the war in the middle east? I can totally understand why someone burns out dealing with this crap in their free time. Come home from work after a hard day. Another scat spam attack you have to deal with. Another Hamas sympathizer calling you genocide lover because you deleted his propaganda. Someone else attacking you because you removed content that is illegal where you live and you hope that no authority saw it before you deleted it. Go to bed. Go to work. Repeat.
Since you're on the same instance as me, I assume you are a mod/admin there. Let me use this opportunity to say thank you to you and all the other mods on feddit.org for helping to keep that place one of the most pleasant online spaces I've come across in my years on the internet. As far as I can tell from the outside you and the others are doing a great job.
A bit offtopic, but why would anyone want to keep their instance in line with local laws? Aren't internet sites operating under jurisdiction of where they are hosted? Or is it just some coincidence that those people decided to host their stuff at datacenters at their local proximity? When I'm choosing hosting the first thing I think about: "hmmm I shouldn't host in country where I live because I don't want to ever have any problem with local authorities, and if I host elsewhere authorities there won't be able to reach me physically so the worst thing that could happen is the site gets shut down".
We arent really in disagreement tho. I am absolutely empathetic with their situation and their burnout. Im just saying they should have seen it coming. Those two things arent contradictory. I just find it odd how one can invest so much time into a public project, without being aware of the realities of having to moderate it. Im thankful for the people that host instances, but i will never do it, because i know how much of a pain it is.
but also what did they expect?
Can I ask you what the worst examples of community management looks like? As in, what do you believe would be the worst part of the job?
When you moderate a platform that the public is free to upload anything to, you will see everything. From insults to threats to gore to CSAM. Thats how the internet is. That is the worst part in my opinion, because you cant just look away, but actually have to deal with it.
The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball and the maturity of a junior high edge lord
another lemming that doesn't want to perticipate in the far-left hate machine that lemmy has descended into
it's the same reason that user numbers on lemmy are slowly but surely declining
it's pretty insane that people on here want to openly discuss assassinations and freak out at the mods when told they cant do that here
Read his rant. It just sounds like he’s mad at us for being mean towards the poor wittle billionaires/nazis.
Considering how few references there were in the post, and your projection onto it. I think you may be part of the group he's talking about that is causing him to close up shop. Its just my speculation though. If I'm right, how does that make you feel? Are you happy he's closing up the instance and leaving the Fediverse or are you sad that a heavy contributor to the Fediverse is leaving?
I have no criticism of the original post. My statement was aimed at Sal's hyperbolic interpretation and self-projection of those few words.
He's explicitly talking about detracting people who are "violent" and call him a "bootlicker" for "deescalating". It seems like it's moderator speak for "people are saying politicians/billionaires should die and that personally offends me". It's enlightened centrism. People came to Lemmy explicitily because Reddit bans you for disliking billionaires now.
Like, the entire concept of the Fediverse is anarchist. It's a collection of decentralized servers who can connect to each other but have their own rules. Someone going to develop for the LITERAL ANARCHIST SOCIAL MEDIA STRUCTURE and then getting surprised that everyone on it is anti-capitalist and anti-billionaire is the epitome of arrogance and lack of self-awareness.
Being an anarchist isn't an excuse to be a dick y'know.
People came to Lemmy explicitily because Reddit bans you for disliking billionaires now.
It's not that I like them or anything, but it's very irrelevant to my motivations to use fediverse.
I mean, if you wanted to be in the literal anarchist social media network structure and not see people hating billionaires/politicians/nazis, why did you come here in the first place?
The entire concept of the Fediverse is anarchist. Of course anti-capitalists at large would be on it, because the capitalists are all over every other social media network. And besides, Tumblr constantly tells billionaires/politicians to die despite being corporate-run social media and literally nothing comes out of it.
The average Lemming has the nuance of a wrecking ball
He’s not wrong lol. I can imagine how much worse it is as an admin. It’s unfortunate that Tesseract is going down with the ship. I remember I was among the first to provide feedback when he first posted it on lemmy.
Also described himself there
Same
Same here
Considering this is a Svelte project, it probably wouldn’t be too hard for me to fork (I’m a Svelte and SvelteKit dev). I’d definitely rewrite the UI, cause the current UI is… unpolished.
How much support could I expect to fork this project? Is there anyone that would be willing to help?
I'm working on a new fediverse software but I'm mostly a backend dev. But I have been learning Svelte/Kit to try and write a frontend. Just putting it out there in case you feel inspired to work on something entirely new :)
I feel the state of the project is still too early to be public (especially the frontend, there's really almost nothing there yet), but I can invite you to the repo if you have a user on Codeberg? I'd love to talk if you have a Matrix user.
That's a real shame, and a huge loss.
Friendly reminder that the only way lemmy can be successful is if we create a culture that is enjoyable to be a part of. It sounds like his time here was not so positive, and that's deeply saddening.
I wish him the best with his future endeavors
Much more important than the enjoyable culture is the material aspect - how much work each developer has to do. Nice vibes help delay burnout but rarely eliminate it. Or they let it happen with a smile on the face.
Pay the developers instead, so they can reduce hours worked elsewhere, if you can. Or contribute code, if you can. This isn't aimed at you personally, but anyone reading. I can't contribute code but I can pay so I do that.
That's incredibly important too! I think people would be hesitant to work for even decent donations if people are assholes, but you're 100% right. I guess it really comes down to appreciating the people around you
You should appreciate the humans that create this social space by being here and being social, and appreciate the people who create this social space by building the space itself
Thank you for making that point, people being paid makes a huge difference.
The developer in question specifically declined remuneration - he enjoyed his day job and did not want to quit it, and just was happy to share both his code (Tesseract) and instance (dubvee.org) with anyone, completely free of charge.
https://dubvee.org/about#donations :
I built Tesseract in my spare time as a hobby, learning excercise for Svelte, and to address my own personal annoyances with Lemmy and other Lemmy UIs. That said, I do not feel the need to accept donations for its development.
However, if you really want to donate, please consider donating to one of the following:
Xylight: They are the author of Photon from which Tesseract was forked who also did a lot of the heavy lifting for much of the core. While I've replaced a lot of it, none of my work would have been possible without theirs.
Thank you for that additional information!
Godspeed to @ptz@dubvee.org, hopefully we'll meet again virtually some day 🫡
There are terrible people everywhere and in particular everywhere online.
This is why I would never be bothered moderating and I am reluctant to release anything to the public of what I do for my own enjoyment. Cheers to moderators and people that post their art and comics and other stuff online.
Universal link so that you remain on your own instance: https://threadiverse.link/dubvee.org/post/3788765
Same with Mlem.
Appreciate it!
Same for Eternity. I think it's for use with a normal browser.
Admiral Patrick: “That’s a stupid merge request.”
read the post. it's from people acting shitty towards one another
you have no idea who voted you for what
That was supposedly the best front-end we had, right? Sad to hear--I hope I can become good enough to help revive projects like this.
On a sidenote, what other frontends are to be used in the meantime? I'm hoping one of the few is still being maintained somewhat
Not to advertise, but you could try Photon. It's what Tesseract was forked from wayyy back as me and the tesseract dev's philosophies split.
It's more opinionated, and features are carefully organized compared to Tesseract where plenty of shortcuts and links are given (which isn't bad at all, just targets different preferences).
Sorry not to hijack, but I’m in the process of adding PieFed support to my Lemmy client, if you’re looking for a new home. You can try it out at blorpblorp.xyz. I have a lot of work to do before I can live up to these more mature clients like Tesseract. Tesseract had some really nice media embeds that I’m missing.
It seems that what was available at https://dubvee.org/post/3788765 is available at https://kbin.earth/... still.
It sounds like he was severely trolled. Those aren't real people, they're either bots or paid accounts to make people leave. There are ways to counter act it, it's too bad he's given up. I wish him the best.
Oh for sure, I guess I should have said for the most part.
unfortunately real people can be really shitty too. did you forget about gestures at everything?
Does it though?
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Wow, what the heck happened? Do we know the dev's lemmy username for any clues?
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