so now proton completely blocking account creation through their onion adress? I have standard protection, javascript enabled. Time to swith for those who use this service as they are ditching tor and switzerland?
geneva_convenience 17 points a year ago
Valid criticism is suspicious?
Ilandar 7 points a year ago
I am deeply sorry to whichever moderator i offended so much that they needed to delete my comment. Thanks to your guidance I have now learned to hate Proton like a good lemming and will boycott them for the rest of my life as penance for making you cry.
lemmyknow 10 points a year ago
Not saying it's some sort of conspiracy theory, but it do be kinda sus. People are just quick to hate Proton over anything. It's like bias confirmation. They seem to be justifying their hatred, or looking for reasons to do so. I mean, "leaving Switzerland"? Really?! I thought that was because Switzerland was considering a privacy-unfriendly law. That's bad, now?
BluescreenOfDeath -20 points a year ago
There's been evidence in their github repo that they're using LLMs to code their tools now.
It's making me reconsider using them.
limer 25 points a year ago
LLM is avoided by many experienced developers and competent medium and small companies.
Tools like cursor are sometimes ok for small things like people learning, or to generate boilerplate.
But it is seen by some as a warning flag when it’s in source code for larger projects
irmadlad 9 points a year ago
No wAy something popular and megacorp-embraced could be bad. Asbestos, lead pipes, 2-digit dates, NFTs, opiates, sub-prime lending, algorithmic content, pervasive surveillance, etc must have just been flukes.
All technology weilds a double edged sword.
Zetta 4 points a year ago
As the other guy said, double edged sword. Asbestos was fucking great, and is still used for certain things because it's great. The poor interaction with human biology was the other side of the sword.
An aside, I just pulled a fuck load of vinyl asbestos tile out of a house a year ago and while it wasn't actually all that dangerous because I took proper precautions it's sorta scary anyway cause of the poor interaction thing.
BluescreenOfDeath 0 points a year ago
It's a single data data point, nothing more, nothing less. But that single data point is evidence of using LLMs in their code generation.
Time will tell if this is a molehill or a mountain. When it comes to data privacy, given that it just takes one mistake and my data can be compromised, I'm going to be picky about who I park my data with.
I'm not necessarily immediately looking to jump ship, but I consider it a red flag that they're using developer tools centered around using AI to generate code.
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yetAnotherUser 9 points a year ago
Yeah, I've had to go through 20 or 30 circuits once to make Google's captcha allow me through. It just failed with the message "Unusual traffic from your computer network". Someone was probably running a botnet, as this only happens rarely. If Google wanted to block Tor, they'd have done so by now anyway.
upstroke4448 51 points a year ago
Have you actually asked proton support about this issue, if so what have they said?
It seems like you got frustrated and instead of trying to get help you decided to complain on lemmy.
cookie019 -10 points a year ago
Hi, they have average response time 1 month. Probably it'is not useful when you want create account now, yes? "instead of trying to get help you decided to complain on lemmy" and what? proton blocked tor, it is their decision, it is not a bug. I have my other email provider so I do not need to beg proton to unblock tor registration. My objective was to inform lemmy users about this, I did not ask for help in my post as you noticed. If proton company is interested in their customers they can monitor such complaints but since they "cut their presence" on mastodon and opensource media platforms it will not happen.
upstroke4448 4 points a year ago
The average response time is nowhere near a month.
It seems more and more this was a bad faith post. I'm not sure I believe you even use proton.
upstroke4448 3 points a year ago
You say that and yet you feel the need to respond and down vote.
If you didn't care about what others thought you wouldn't have made the post.
dysprosium 10 points a year ago
What else should be tested? I think this guy deserves praise for his methods
coffeetastesbadlikecoffee 25 points a year ago
I previously commented I would write the support, now I actually read the docs first and found out why:
If you want to create an account over tor you can, just not via the clearnet URL, probably due to rate limiting by IP adress. However if you use their Onion Link as specified in this article by their support (https://proton.me/support/tor-setup) it works just fine (as far as I just tested). So great! Because using .onion services is far more secure than accessing clearnet over Tor anyway.
Here the url, verify it with the link in the support article tho: https://protonmailrmez3lotccipshtkleegetolb73fuirgj7r4o4vfu7ozyd.onion/...
coffeetastesbadlikecoffee 4 points a year ago
Huh, that's wierd. Because it worked for me... they must be rate limiting Tor.
EngineerGaming 3 points a year ago
I checked that (together with the clearnet link) a few times recently, got a nondescript error like "sorry something went wrong" every time.
coffeetastesbadlikecoffee 20 points a year ago
Just tested it, same here. Clearnet works but tor not. I will contact support since part of the reason I like to pay for unlimited is to subsidize free, anonymous accounts.
Edit: here is my other comment:
I previously commented I would write the support, now I actually read the docs first and found out why:
If you want to create an account over tor you can, just not via the clearnet URL, probably due to rate limiting by IP adress. However if you use their Onion Link as specified in this article by their support (https://proton.me/support/tor-setup) it works just fine (as far as I just tested). So great! Because using .onion services is far more secure than accessing clearnet over Tor anyway.
Here the url, verify it with the link in the support article tho: https://protonmailrmez3lotccipshtkleegetolb73fuirgj7r4o4vfu7ozyd.onion/...
cookie019 3 points a year ago
Okay, if they will responder faster than in one month you could publish the respond here if you will like to do it. But I am surr they will say it is a "technical error". Every privacy leak now is described as technical error - apple, google, meta - all use this therm to justify their intentional action
markstos 6 points a year ago
There is a relatively small number of shared Tor exit node IP addresses.
So it’s more likely using Tor will trigger “too many attempts for IP” throttling for any service with bot protection.
It’s nothing against Tor, but is an expected side-affect of attempting to be anonymous by sharing the same IP address with many people.
cookie019 4 points a year ago
I use posteo.de provider, it costs 1 eur for month, 3 adress, they have inbound encryption of emails as proton, also they dont accept crypto but you can pay by cash and card and "All of our payment methods are anonymised using a payment system developed by Posteo. We do not link payment information with email accounts." You can learn more about their privacy features on their site https://posteo.de/en/site/features#featuresprivacy
cookie019 -2 points a year ago
how this question is relate to my post about proton blocks registration through their onion site? sorry but I only interested in respond questions directly associated with this or other email providers. my decision to try proton as additional service should not be the problem...
meta4 5 points a year ago
Seems a fair question to ask someone who makes a post to direct people away from a service under the presumption that they were trying to use it, only to find in the comments that they already use a different service that they not only enjoy, but are happy to freely advertise for.
Also, your justification for their lack of crypto payments is that they use a payment system they designed themselves, which I find funny since most of the complaints I see about Proton (granted, not yours) is the unverifiability of their operations, leaning on "Just trust me, bro." which is the same thing as this site's payment processing system. 🤭
evilcultist 9 points a year ago
A while back I tried to create an account with vpn and got notice that said something about how I couldn’t use it to validate other accounts without validating that account because other companies had threatened to label them as untrustworthy or spam.
ScoffingLizard 1 point a year ago
That is not entirely impossible. Owner spent time in US lobbying, and tech folks that do that are often horrible, careless, and unethical people.
francois 3 points a year ago
While on dread recently I stumbled across this old post regarding issues with their onion adresses https://encryp.ch/...
When a user makes a new account with Protonmail on TOR they are re-directed from Protonmail’s “.onion” to “.com” address. This breaks your secure encrypted connection to their onion address, enabling your identification. There are absolutely no technical reasons for this feature. In fact, the only other websites that operate like this are suspected NSA/CIA Honeypots.
ScoffingLizard 3 points a year ago
Goddamn. We live in a nightmare. There is someone fucking us all every goddamn second of the day.
pheggs 0 points a year ago
that sucks, this means no more hiding metadata. However, they aren't ditching switzerland (yet) - this only happens if the government applies the new surveillance rules which is not set in stone yet.
I use pgp and host mail myself. It's not as hard, and it's by far less problematic than a lot of people make it out to be. Don't trust hosters.
cookie019 0 points a year ago
that sucks, this means no more hiding metadata. However, they aren’t ditching switzerland (yet) - this only happens if the government applies the new surveillance rules which is not set in stone yet. I could agree with you but my threat model currently allows me to use third party providers
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