Half this site can't accomplish holding two thoughts at once

I guess you’re not listening then because “capitalism fucking sucks and is responsible for countless atrocities” is a pretty common tale these days.

Imagine thinking that people are opposed to post-scarcity economics, and not the whole "let's kill everyone who disagrees with us until we achieve such conditions"

I use those events in the US (and many more) to condem capitalism. I also use Tianamen (and others) to condem state capitalism.

Except they’re nowhere nearly comparable. The US is pretty bad but China is an authoritarian state with internet censorship and state-controlled companies.

The “America also bad” argument feels like a mass murderer saying “well you stabbed a guy 10 years ago, you’re no different!”.

Go look up to see what China did during the great leap forward and cultural revolution. They killed about 30 million of their own people. I would like you to post a source proving that the United States murdered 30 million of its own people within the past 150 years, as well as persecuting tens of millions of people and sending millions of children from cities to be reeducated with forced labor on camps after being separated from their parents. Hundreds of thousands of intellectuals were murdered for being... Intellectuals.

The only thing that comes close was slavery and the Japanese internment during world War II. However, slavery was abolished over 150 years ago, and during the Japanese internment families were generally kept together and they were not forcibly reeducated.

No one here holds that myth

I mean that’s the point of the comment. Any conversation about China’s shortcomings necessarily turns into “but US also bad” as if that’s proving a point we don’t already know. This is Lemmy, not the CPAC convention. We’re probably all pretty on board with nuanced positions on the evils of imperial states

This is so off topic I read it in grampa Simpson's voice.

Stop smoking the Copium.

Quite ironic, when you think about it… - the working class defeating the communist party!

a political movement demanding workers' rights, actual worker control over means of production, and similar socialist policies.

They demanded this, won, and then ignored all of it and introduced neoliberal capitalism pretty much straight away?

Yup. And they literally gave us the tools to take our toys and go home to make our own fun if we don't like the way they run Lemmy.ml.

It’s a rumor, but the devs themselves have said they’re strongly Marxist-Leninist

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Sounds like you have issues that should keep you out of the public (even social media), and I'm not talking about your gender identity.

Actually go to Hexbear and you'll see what I mean.

No. how could I? Armored tanks are EXCLUSIVELY implements of peace, they are NEVER used lethally or to inflict harm. The Chinese military DEFINITELY brought in armored tanks for peaceful, humanitarian reasons.

I mean, there is that photo of a bunch of crushed human bodies under tank treads that nobody likes to reference.

As it's not NSFL, I'm not posting. After seeing that image, I lost all doubt that the massacre happened exactly as we know.

And no, I don't intend this to convince you. I don't think seeing the photo would convince you either.

Someone already produced the "crushed bicycle" picture here with a couple crushed/mutilated bodies. It's not the only one, but it strikes a chord of being the least NSFL while still proving the event.

https://archive.ph/7Tdzh

specifically:

Any other questions?

I don’t know where people get these ideas from. Genuinely curious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/... and other accounts.

Does that whole section quote only a single source in Chinese that I can't read? Yes. You can believe it or not, I don't care. Assuming that your curiosity into why people believe that protesters got mowed down by tanks is genuine, this should answer your question.

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=qq8zFLIftGk

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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Nah, irl they hate me cause im trans girl with autism

cool name tho, Imma write that one down next to Privatized Sun

idk some people are weird like that

fact is that the tanks waited for him to leave when they had no reason to, didn't engage him at all, and then went on their merry way.

I'd like to see a Palestinian kid be able to do the same to zionists

Not irrationally😊

Yank interacts with the real world for the first time.

Conservatives can be a variety of things, even communists. What you refer to as conservative is completely unrelated to conservativism and is just people who vote for a particular liberal party in your one ideology two party system. You're a brainwashed populace thought to hate knowledge and learning so that you can be maximally exploited. You do not have any political understanding. Your election cycle engages with identity politics because they're afraid of mentioning policy in case people start looking up what words mean. All your news sources are propaganda and you live in the most authoritarian country on earth ruled by dictators who do not value your opinion or needs.

You can measure these. They're not just words. For the first, you can compare the subset of the population who are experiencing some form of correction, be it prison or otherwise to the total population. For the second, you can compare opinion polls to the actual policy being enacted. In both cases you score as bad as it's possible to score.

And finally, everyone who supports liberal policies is a liberal. This includes people who are conservative in the global meaning of the word, but support, let's say, a humane social democratic system with strong safety nets, but who's backbone is an inhumane system of exploitation in the global south. This includes someone who is socially progressive and wants major political changes, but who's fiscal politics are that of neo-liberalism.

P.S. Everyone hates liberals.

oh my god the only people who like liberals are liberals

EVERYONE ELSE HATES LIBERALS

He. If you want to criticise China you should talk about ouïghours or Hong Kong. Tiananmen is irrelevant. It's as relevant as slavery in the US. Aren't you busy killing black people these days btw?

Forbidden? Hahaha that's so funny!

That's pure anti-china propaganda. Anti-left propaganda even. It's a Godwin point.

There's a saying in French : it's easier to see the straw on the neighbor nose than the beam you have in the eye.

If you want to criticised China you should talk about the current, these days genocide they're doing. Or about Hong Kong. Tiananmen is a Godwin point, in my generation you'd only know about it if you're exposed to liberal propaganda. Because as a historical event it is irrelevant.