Jimmy Kimmel's show to return to air after suspension over Charlie Kirk comments, says Disney
a year ago by MonsterMonster to c/world
Jimmy Kimmel will return to air on Tuesday after his show was suspended following comments he made about the death of Charlie Kirk, Disney has said in a statement released in the last few moments.
"Last Wednesday, we made the decision to suspend production on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation at an emotional moment for our country," the statement says.
"It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday."
I hate to open up this particular can of worms, but if you're a "staunch capitalist," why the hell are you here of all places?
They're a troll, and you're falling for it.
In my opinion I don't think some of the things you're saying show good understanding of capitalism. I'm not saying this to offend or belittle.
Tbf they didn’t say they’re a good capitalist, just a staunch one.
Is this even thinking in this quarter? It just feels like a mistake.
Edit:to be clear the suspension feels like a mistake.
Goodhart's Law in action
I think they thought they could get away with it, like when they fired Colbert. Maybe Colbert worked because it was a year away?
In case anyone hasn't seen this, I'm posting it again. Here is what Kimmel did that was so wrong. He showed trump completely not care about kirk's death.
Starts at about 2 minutes.
Video of monologue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk
It wasn't Disney who have the merger, it was NexStar, an owner of some 39% of local TV stations, that's trying to merge with another company to control 80% of local stations. Current law dictates the limit to 39%, so the federal government has them over a barrel. After the FCC chairman directly told them what to do on a podcast, Nexstar did exactly that and threatened to refuse to air Kimmel if Disney didn't kill the show. Disney did, and now they've capitulated to an actual massive groundswell of Disney+ cancelations. Thus the flip-flop.
So not only was there blatant corruption in both the private and public sector in a more or less open conspiracy to give a bribe to allow a violation of federal law, but by saying what he said, the FCC chairman also pretty clearly violated the first amendment of the constitution of the US.
That's how liberalism transforms into fascism. Eventually the dictator bites the hand that feeds him, and the short-sighted business folks are shocked.
Colbert was given most of a season to carry on and all involved had a long time to figure out options, and there weren't explicit overt threats from government. "How bad could it be if they are letting him keep saying everything he wants for months?". Also people looking to to throw money at South Park which was been gloves off against Trump.
Kimmel was sudden and with direct specific threats from the government during such a contentuous time.
Target was a big proponent of DEI and LGBTQ+. It was part of the brand and hiring practices. Then, after the orange plauge was inaugurated, they switched their tune. Tgey dropped all their DEI policies and all LGBTQ marketing.
They are down 50% this year.
Target was showing its true colors long before getting rid of DEI practices. Like at one point they had a gay pride line that really just felt like grift then some people took offense to it and they put it all on clearance and moved it to a remote corner of the store. This was soon after unveiling it, not after it sat there a while. Its no wonder they acted the way they did. They just saw liberals and progressives as a way to profit. People got tired of the grift with no real championship towards better attitudes and practices to minorities and boycotted them hard.
Disney could have just looked at Target as an example of exactly why they shouldn't have done this.
That's exactly what happened to Bud Light. Bigots hated that BL was partnering with a filthy trans person, and when they caved to the pressure everyone else said "fuck you" but the bigots didn't all come back. It's kind of like Target as well. Present this image of being for the minorities, and then caving under the smallest amount of pressure pissing off everyone.
It's definitely opportunistic backpedalling, but it's a good sign of sorts: We've proven that, if we can punish them financially, they'll do the right thing. For the wrong reasons, obviously, but in these times, I'll take what we can get.
I have a feeling Kimmel isn't going to be forced to say anything. He (rightfully) despises Trump with every fiber of his soul and would probably choose to stay off the air rather than bend the knee in any way.
I think you're lionizing Kimmel a bit too much, he just said a few obvious jokes that was likely written by his writing staff. He didn't say anything brave.
"we’re still trying to wrap our heads around the senseless murder of the popular podcaster and conservative activist Charlie Kirk yesterday... Some people are cheering this, which is something I won’t ever understand.”
Those who hate Trump and his rhetoric immediately understand why Nazi fascist deaths are celebrated. They don't describe them as senseless while heaping unnecessary praise on them. "Popular activist"? How about racist fascist propagandist?
He'll toe the line after this correction. Ping me with his return monologue if I'm wrong.
Kimmel didn't even talk about Kirk's death outside of stating that the right is trying their best to milk it as much as possible which is saying nothing about Kirk. He never commented on Kirk as a person, at least not as far as I know of.
Came here to say this. Media's framing language matters. He made a comment about Trump. His show was suspended under pressure from the FCC not because he made irresponsible comments about Kirk, but because he made the pissy man-baby cry.
It's worse, he showed that taco don't care about Kirk at all and just uses him for political goals.
Frankly, his behavior demonstrates that he wouldn't have any hangups ordering the kill himself.
He actually put out a message before this saying that it was a horrible thing that happened and he and his family were sending their deepest sympathies to the Kirk family.
Keep. On. Boycotting.
They're are just in PR damage control, they have not fired a single person or told Sinclair/Nextstar to fire those who actively voice support for fascism.
Sinclair is the one that needs to hurt at the moment since they refuse to run the show, let sponsors know you’re unhappy
Kimmel didn't make any "Charlie Kirk comments"
He made fun of Trump for not giving a shit about Kirk's death because he couldn't get over his 8 year old equivalent impulse control to start bragging about the monstrosity they built on top of the Rose Garden at the White House.
Holy shit, so much this!
It's honestly wild how far that narrative that he made some edgy comments has gone, to the point where it's just being taken as fact in headlines now.
He barely even mentioned Kirk, and just stated that MAGA is trying really hard to claim the shooter was not one of them--didn't even make any assertions about the actual shooter or their motives.
Anyone claiming he made disrespectful or inflammatory comments about Kirk is ignorant or a hypocrite.
Don't forget your best friend uBlock Origin (or ReVanced or Tubular or whatever other YT ad blocker you like) when you watch, just to make sure they don't even get ad revenue from you
Go fash, go crash.
Nice try, I will never return to paying for Disney+ though.
There’s not even an apology anywhere to be seen. Just a spineless attempt to have it all go away.
Except I'm not resubscribing Disney.
That's not how it works.
You haven't felt the pain of freedom of my wallet.
It's the only ring these companies understand.
If there's no one left who gives a shit they can do whatever they like and won't feel any pain next time.
The people have some power with their wallet by only if they use it.
You're under no moral obligation to resubscribe at all, but if nobody does, they made a financial mistake by putting the show back on the air.
If there's no one left who gives a shit they can do whatever they like and won't feel any pain next time.
Are you serious? If they don't have subscribers, they can do whatever they want? I mean sure, but who gives a shit, they don't make money because they don't have any customers!
You don't give them more money so you can take it away later, that's idiotic. Spend your money on a decent VPN and torrent that shit, or read books instead of consuming so much corporate capitalist empire propaganda, your life will be better anyway.
No the finanical mistake was the beginning. Eroding the goodwill people had for your company was the mistake. Rebuilding that will bring back the money.
When TV's tamest talkshow host gets his show banned, you know we're in dystopian times.
So much for all the fascist right's posturing on "free speech" lol
He might be tame but he leans liberal and that can't be allowed because it hurts MAGA sensitive feelings. The lessons here is that MAGA positions immediately collapse under any sort of criticism or examination.
Never mind the hateful content Fox spews out 24/7.
Freedom warriors scared of a comedian.
They know the tremendous power of strong propaganda, they have been developing the Conservative Propaganda Machine for decades.
They see this Blue Line at 11:30 pm, following the local news, and they know that even MAGAs, who tuned away from Fox News for a half hour to hear what happened in town, might accidentally end up staying tuned in, and hearing Colbert and Kimmel making fun of him.
They are far more than just comedians, they are chipping away at the wall in the brains of MAGA citizens. Every night they expose him for the buffoon he is, and eventually he is going to do something that even their MAGA followers think is buffoonery, and an entire brick will fall out of the wall. Once that happens, steady pressure will eventually make it crumble.
The Conservative Propaganda Machine understands all of this, and more. They have data tracking behavioral responses going back decades, and they have ALWAYS been hostile to the late night talk shows. Rather than adjust their behavior to reflect the rest of society, and thus avoid humiliation for their poor decisions, they would rather kill the messenger.
I kinda wish Kimmel had told them to get fucked and went somewhere else, or started his own podcast.
We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy
You mean conversations with your lawyers. I'm sure Kimmel was lawyering up for breach of contract.
Kimmel would have been okay, but by some estimates there are as many as 200 staff members out of their job, and he'd never be able to take all of them with him. As cathartic it would have been to see him levave Disney, staying was the best option for his team.
Meanwhile, over at CBS, a similar staff are all out of jobs.
Well, now let's see what Jimmy Kimmel does. Will he come back toning down his rhetoric or will he start by thoroughly criticizing Kirk and Disney right as he gets back. I don't think there really is a third option. If he decide to not address this, he will always weigh the consequences of saying something before saying it (even subconsciously). And in that case, he is not worth watching.
You could write for the show.
Trying to rewrite history huh - they suspended the show because Kimmel criticised Trump, and the FCC threatened ABC/DIsney. Never forget.
Let's go ahead & start calling & boycotting all of NexStar and Sinclair's advertisers since they decided they aren't going to have Kimmel back.
https://www.distractify.com/...
"OK, I keep getting asked about how to complain about Kimmel," he wrote on Facebook. "The best way to complain that will have the biggest impact? See if you have a Sinclair or Nexstar station in your area. 2. Watch the local newscast tonight or sometime this week. 3. Note the companies that bought TV adverts. 4. Call them and let them know you will boycott them until they quit supporting that media company."
"Trust me. I worked in TV for 45 years. Nothing you do will have greater impact. Nothing," he continued. "This is a much more effective tool than cancelling Disney. We did cancel Disney but calling Joe’s Jeep dealership who is buying adds on the local Nexstar station will have a BIG impact. Joe doesn’t need that grief. He will find another station to buy adverts on."
Also, they are fascists & deserve to be destroyed anyhow.
Blah blah we want your money blah blah.
Plex bad. Jellyfin good.
It's been a while since I meddled with FreeBSD. It shouldn't be hard - it's just a web stack with some command line ffmpeg. I think the only thing that might be a challenge is hardware encoding.
There are sweet docker images, but I guess they might require virtualization on FreeBSD.
Where do you plan to source your media from now?
This isn't reddit, no one here is going to ban you for recommending a fucking website, just tell me what torrent site everyone is using so I can try and sign up with it during an open-season event and seed all day everyday
You know I’m generally helpful in guiding others to do things, sadly the way you responded to that comment I’ll have to take a pass. Why would you assume anything other than they’re going to pirate and haven’t gotten further than that yet.
Perhaps someone less petty can guide you or you can do what I did and figure it out using the internet.
That said I’ll give you two words to begin. Docker. Prowlarr.
I have no idea what you're talking about, we all pay full price.
Yes, this really isn't difficult, or shouldn't be, but Americans are incredibly addicted to convenience. I've been saying for years now that we don't even need a general strike of workers not working, people simply need to stop being good little consumers for a while, only buy the essentials when necessary, cancel all extraneous services, stop using the fascists' platforms. In a consumer economy, consumers hold the cards, but unfortunately we've been trained well and think we cannot live without 37 different streaming services and food and whatever else you want delivered to your door, and then need to post about it all on TwitFaceAgram after a post about corporate 'Merica run amok.
A large enough percentage of the population buying only necessities local goods would get Trump ousted.
It's been sixteen fucking years.
it's just a perfect picture. but this regularly happens in games. gAmErS are the worst bunch in boycotts because most of them don't even have the discipline to wait for a fucking game to release let alone not play it at all. they just either "boycott" games they were never interested in at all in the first place or they just say it online for fake internet points and play the game anyway.
Isn’t that the reason Target is a fucking metronome on social issues?
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If I was Jimmy Kimmel I would absolutely not return lol. Fool me once...
Exactly. He is probably swimming in money already, and could easily get another well-paying job in the industry somewhere or start his own e.g. production company. But the people working for him need their jobs, and there are around 200-250 of them. So even if he could say fuck you to Disney, he has to consider his responsibility to his colleagues/employees.
I was thinking of Norm Macdonald's monologue when he got to host SNL after being fired.
I wrote a very angry letter, letting them know that I was switching my news source, cancelling Hulu, and in the future, I would pirate their content, and watch it without commercials.
That's three revenue-sucking situations that every network hates, and it worked, they caved.
I also told them that I expect them to hold the line on free speech, and if Trump threatens to remove their FCC license, dare him to do it. That FCC license gives them a responsibility to this nation. Folding like they tried to do is unacceptable.
So you saved jimmy's show?
I believe the implication was that a significant amount of other people also did this.
No, thats fairm i was needlessly pointing out how it seemed like they were taking credit for the whole thing. It was supposed to be a joke but looking back, it wasn't very funny.
Yep, single-handedly.
No, of course not. But ALL corporations understand that one person that takes the time to write a coherent, logical letter, and doesn't threaten sexual violence against their daughters and elderly relatives, represent, and are speaking for, a very large number of people who are just sitting at home, pissed off and talking to their families.
Get enough of those letters, and the data analysis people in Marketing start getting extremely nervous. That's what happened here. In fact, the walls crumbled so quickly, that they must have received an overwhelming amount of angry communications.
Sept 17th.
Nexstar and Sinclair television station owners condem Kimmel’s statements. They planned to preempt his show replacing it with other programming.
Nexstar ABC Affiliates To Preempt “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” Indefinitely Beginning Tonight
ABC decides to suspend Kimmel’s show indefinitely due to the backlash.
Here is the question. If ABC/Disney reinstate his show, will Nexstar or Sinclair follow through on their promise to preempt his show when it airs effectively killing any ad revenue?
Edit addendum: Sinclair Will Not Air ‘Jimmy Kimmel Live!’ Upon ABC Return Tuesday
That’s gonna make it hard to sell ad space on the next upfronts.
"It is a decision we made because we felt some of the comments were ill-timed and thus insensitive. We have spent the last days having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy**'s lawyers**, and after those conversations, we reached the decision to return the show on Tuesday."
Edited the original quote to include subtext.
Key now is getting back to tying Trump to Epstein and Maxwell and call for the unaltered release of the Epstein files which was HIS OWN BROKEN PROMISE.
Keep pushing this message as it is one of the only messages that has induced a modicum of doubt in his core base, let alone swing-voters.
His approval-ratings have now fallen to Jimmy Carter levels, and we can get lower.
As much as it still hurts when companies walk back their decisions, it's really important as consumers that we also walk back our decision on supporting them. If we always stop supporting them regardless, they will continue to make decisions that don't support the people. It's important that we have power in these scenario. In the end, it's better that Kimmel is back on the air, and that he can joke and criticize what's happening. Let's support them walking it back.
Just putting him back isn't enough if he seems muzzled. We'll see.
I think a partial return is fair. They shouldn't pull this shit in the first place, and switching costs can be significant. If you've already gone to the trouble of setting up a Jellyfin server, then Disney has fucked around and found out.
Let's fucking go. You don't have to pretend to have a spine anymore and watch Disney slop again.
Wow, I guess the people still have some power! It’s stupid though because the damage is done. A lot of those people aren’t gonna resubscribe.
Oh they will, don't worry
how to make all sides unhappy in less than a week by ABC
The mouse bends the knee. Cyber bullying works! Don’t resubscribe.
TACO Tuesday!
No they started losing money they still don't really care
They have now earned the right to earn my business back. If they make something new that's non marvel and interesting I'll subscribe again
Lol, and now we get to watch everybody buy their memberships again and the company will move forward like nothing ever happened.
I mean at the very least, hopefully they (and others Trump inevitably goes after) won't be so willing to cave to authoritarian demands without a fight.
That's kind of the way this all works. If even the people that could definitely afford to fight this in court signal they're willing to just comply, then there's no hope for everyone else.
I think John Oliver put it best when he said the response should have been, and should always be going forward "Fuck you, make me."
Wait, so why wouldn't they (and others trump goes after) be willing to cave without a fight?
We just watched them cave immediately without a fight, and then revert their decision after having "thoughtful conversations" behind the scenes that we're not privy to.
We haven't seen any victory, any pushback against this trampling of free speech, any principled disagreement. We've seen an immediate kowtowing.
I don't know what those conversations behind the scenes entailed. I don't know the future. But I'm going to predict the show that gets returned to air will be (even more) neutered. They won't upset the administration again.
We'll see what he does when he returned, but Trump is definitely pissy he didn't get his way.
They demanded Kimmel be forced to apologize and I think pay money to the Charlie Kirk foundation. He did neither but for some reason his cancellation lasted less than a week.
They have the money and lawyers to fight this, they just didn't want the hassle. Suddenly when it looked like it would be cutting into their profits they found the motivation to fight back.
We also haven't heard from Carr as far as I know. This could still end up in court unless Carr is willing to just back down.
I liked Robert Reich's post regarding this.
And now everyone is going to run back with naive happy arms.
The monologue will be fire.
It'll be nice if Kimmel doubles down. He might as well, he should realize his career is fucked regardless of what he says.
Perfectly executed publicity stunt
Not for Disney, they don't need the publicity. Jimmy Kimmel's show on the other hand would benefit drastically - just look at the publicity he's been getting for the past week.
Guessing that this comment would even get him in trouble - and within the threshold to be reinstated - would be astronomically difficult.
Good. Switching costs go both ways, there was probably someone who should've canceled but didn't.
If they wanted your money, they never should've canceled Jimmy to begin with.
Well, they took away Kimmel, we unsubscribed. They brought Kimmel back, we subscribe. Makes sense.
We've seen it works, but if we remain unsubscribed, next time around we won't have anything to threaten them with.
Not to mention we should reward good behaviour, innit? Ain't that how it works? Punish bad behaviour, reward good behaviour
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