Crunch time: Democrats ready for shutdown standoff over Republican health cuts

9 months ago by MicroWave to c/news

Party prepared to risk government shutdown and will not support GOP bill unless cuts to healthcare are reversed

It has been nine brutal months for congressional Democrats.

Relegated by voters to the minority in last year’s election, they have been powerless to stop Republicans from acting on Donald Trump’s demands to fund an immigration crackdown, strip money for foreign aid and public media, and downsize Medicaid, which provides healthcare to poor and disabled Americans.

That is set to change next week. Funding for the government expires on Tuesday, but Democrats have refused the GOP’s demands to support legislation keeping it open unless the majority agrees to reverse the Medicaid cuts, restore funding to public media and extend subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans.

infrasoundxp 109 points 9 months ago

Good. They'd better stick to their guns this time. Republicans do every time and get exactly what they want when they are the minority.

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solrize 36 points 9 months ago

They have a genius new strategy! I'm sure it will work!

https://www.theguardian.com/...

“This is not the Democratic party of your grandfather,” Ken Martin, chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), declared earlier this year. “This is a new Democratic party. We’re bringing a knife to a knife fight.”

Um Ken, I do think you are mixing metaphors.

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frongt 50 points 9 months ago

“This is not the Democratic party of your grandfather,”

The Democratic party of my grandfather was FDR, the New Deal, and civil rights.

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circuscritic 13 points 9 months ago

That's so 20th century.

21st century DNC is all about that sweet private equity cash and making land acknowledgments.

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MisterOwl 4 points 9 months ago

Fucking yes.

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BeMoreCareful 3 points 9 months ago

Imagine a new FDR

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NuclearDolphin 30 points 9 months ago

“This is a new Democratic party. We’re bringing a knife to a knife fight.”

He says, showing up for a gun fight

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gAlienLifeform 11 points 9 months ago

"No more taking the high road! When they go low, we will also go low, behind them, choking on their exhaust! Give me $5 for a mask!"

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Exeous 6 points 9 months ago

Agree. Be tough!

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kennedy 6 points 9 months ago

they will both agree to raise the debt ceiling again while they say little one liners to farm clips for their tik tok accounts. They are also planning to use this shutdown as a excuse to fire government employees. Nothing about this is "good" its the same performative cycle and they'll do it again next year.

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HeyJoe 56 points 9 months ago

The news is a joke. I dont watch meet the press, but my wife had it on briefly this morning and the discussion was the shutdown. They all sat there and gave zero reasons why it is acceptable for them to do this and even used a story about how it effects real Americans who live paycheck to paycheck. Not one of them stated anything about how the Republicans are about to remove billions from health care or any other valid argument for why it is needed. It's sad that the news is controlled this much.

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inclementimmigrant 41 points 9 months ago

Considering Schumer was on television today waxing poetic about how he wants to have a "serious negotiation" with Republicans, once again signaling he's willing to sacrifice everything for nothing, I'm 99% certain they'll puss out yet again, giving these fascists everything they want.

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arrow74 9 points 9 months ago

Instead of cutting 100 billion from social services Schumer has negotiated only to cut 99.9 billion

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HubertManne 4 points 9 months ago

Im gonna see what actually happens.

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itztalal 4 points 9 months ago

How do we stop people from voting for Schumer and instead pick a candidate that supports the working class?

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prole 6 points 9 months ago

Hopefully they can't successfully sink Mamdani, and establishment Dems finally realize which way the wind is blowing and stop lurching further and further right to appease their corporate masters

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Maeve 3 points 9 months ago

I think they do realize it, and are more beholden to corporations and very wealthy donors than to the majority of their constituents.

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inclementimmigrant 2 points 9 months ago

Donate and vote for progressives in the primaries and make damn sure you vote in every single election and call your representative and be a thorn in their side.

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TronBronson 3 points 9 months ago

Duh the only reason they do budget show downs is to manipulate the bond market to get good entry price before rate cuts lmao. The poors just don’t know what any of that means

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chiliedogg 34 points 9 months ago

Doge and Trump have been working hard at shutting down everything the government does that actually serves the citizens despite having the funds. But at the same time they're spending trillions in making the country a fascist nightmare with secret police and concentration camps.

What's the downside to a shutdown?

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bobs_monkey 5 points 9 months ago

Actually, does a shutdown inadvertently defund ICE, at least temporarily?

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MNByChoice 6 points 9 months ago

unlikely. Essential personnel and all.

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MNByChoice 3 points 9 months ago

Add to it that President Trump has been ignoring the funding allocated through congress. Even if the Democrats negotiate the perfect deal, President Trump could simply not spend the money.

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prole 1 point 9 months ago

I don't know how it would work specifically, but I do worry that there will be some way that they can use the shutdown to further consolidate power. I'm sure these devious fucks will find a way.

They're not intelligent, per se, but they do have a sort of low cunning that terrifies me.

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chiliedogg 3 points 9 months ago

Trump is a fucking idiot.

But many of the others are very intelligent. When Trump dies on the toilet they'll appear way more sophisticated when they aren't having to fellate him while pursuing their evil agenda.

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TheJesusaurus 26 points 9 months ago

"This time I can trust peppermint patty"

-Charlie Brown

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HatFullOfSky 24 points 9 months ago

How dare you besmirch Peppermint Patty's name, she's a trustworthy girl. Lucy van Pelt on the other hand...

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TheJesusaurus 10 points 9 months ago

My peanuts lore be lackin

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HatFullOfSky 5 points 9 months ago

All good homie. Patty was always one of my favorites, I liked her green plaid shirt

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bss03 5 points 9 months ago

Are Patty and Marcie a couple? They were in my head, but that could be some lesbian fetishism from my toxic masculinity...

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spaghettiwestern 25 points 9 months ago

I'll believe it when I see it, and I don't think there's any fucking way we're going to see it.

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Deflated0ne 22 points 9 months ago

Props to them if they can keep the turncoats in check and actually stick to their guns.

That said, I'll believe it when I see it.

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LoafedBurrito 19 points 9 months ago

The democrats are just asking for all the massive cuts to CRITICAL infrastructure to be returned back to the american people. We PAID for these programs and we DESERVE to have medicaid, better healthcare, and lower taxes. Republicans don't care about the american people, otherwise they would have voted AGAINST the BBBA.

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UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 9 months ago

The democrats are just asking for all the massive cuts to CRITICAL infrastructure to be returned back to the american people.

Republicans will promise them back in the form of tax cuts.

Republicans don’t care about the american people, otherwise they would have voted AGAINST the BBBA.

They care about particular American people and their friends overseas in the EU, Saudi, and Southeast Asian banking sectors.

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BlackAura 2 points 9 months ago

Republicans will promise them back in the form of tax cuts.

You forgot this part: "... For the rich"

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WatDabney 18 points 9 months ago

Yeah right.

The only question is which specific excuse(s) the Democrats are going to trot out after they do the bidding of their wealthy/corporate donors and cave. Again.

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PattyMcB 15 points 9 months ago

I guarantee they'll roll over and play dead even though it's just about saving some neutered nonsense of what's left (not much) of the ACA.

The government is broken

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 13 points 9 months ago

Republicans will just use this to dismantle more of the government while blaming the democrats and the democrats will walk blindly into this because people who will never vote for them can’t see the truth.

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uberdroog 13 points 9 months ago

If they dint oppose the administration at every turn, they are complicit

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TronBronson 14 points 9 months ago

If they spent 20 to 40 years, watching the Republicans formulate this plan and did nothing to oppose it they are complicit

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uberdroog 4 points 9 months ago

Double fair

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zululove 11 points 9 months ago

It’s almost like you don’t understand that America is a Uniparty imperialist system masquerading as a two party republic

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SabinStargem 10 points 9 months ago

I am expecting Chuck and Jeffries to comply in advance.

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DarkSideOfTheMoon 8 points 9 months ago

I really don’t get it. Even GOP has the majority why headlines says it’s up to Dems?

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workerONE 10 points 9 months ago

I'm not sure if this is the reason but in the Senate standard budget legislation can be subject to a filibuster. To overcome a filibuster and proceed to a final vote, a supermajority of 60 votes is typically needed.

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Jorn 1 point 9 months ago

This is correct. Budget Reconciliation bypasses the filibuster rules and only needs 51 votes(this includes the VP) to pass(like earlier this year) but the standard budget legislation that happens this time of year does not bypass it and requires super majority of 60 votes to pass.

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beatnixxx 8 points 9 months ago

I'll believe it when I see it.

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Pistcow 7 points 9 months ago

roll over!! Whos a good boy?

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MyOpinion 5 points 9 months ago

Do not fail on healthcare!

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Fedizen 4 points 9 months ago

We'll see if the cave after like a week. Their pockets arent infinite like the republicans but this isn't asking much of them.

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demizerone 4 points 9 months ago

Worthless Democrats are conspirators.

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Formfiller 4 points 9 months ago

Oh this time the AIPAC zombies are actually going to do something? I’ll believe it when I see it

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itztalal 3 points 9 months ago

It has been nine brutal months for congressional Democrats.

Oh please.

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HubertManne 2 points 9 months ago

these comments. Alls I see is the dems should do something and when they do alls I see is. They don't really mean it. Its funny. Dems in power and the right says everything bad is dems fault and the left says everything is dems fault. Reps in power and the right says everything bad is dems fault and the left says yeah the dems are responsible. ugh. with american left who needs the right.

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TronBronson 10 points 9 months ago

It’s helpful to keep in mind that there’s nothing democratic about the DNC it’s just a bunch of old people colluding with corporations and propping up geriatrics as a vanity show. They haven’t even offered their voters the illusion of representation in decades. They are all cooperators in this. They do budget show downs every year, at this point it’s just to create some bond volatility.

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HubertManne 2 points 9 months ago

Its the party trying to maintain the current system and improve it incrementally. The real problem is that as long as the republicans win they have no real incentive to improve much. If republicans perennially lost to the point of being inconsequential the party would quickly split.

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TronBronson 4 points 9 months ago

I’ve been on this planet for almost 40 years now and frequently talk to my 95 year old grandma about politics and world affairs. Things stopped getting incrementally better a long time ago and have gotten incrementally worse. We made small advances forward in between giant leaps back the last 25 years. All of this dictatorship business has been planned and implemented slowly over decades. The degradation of the middle class has been a bipartisan effort. There’s really no more room to pretend like trumps charisma has carried this strange new world, and not the careful planning of the political class and the billionaire class… supported by the millionaires thinking they can be in the club. It’s just self perpetuating rot on both sides.

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HubertManne 2 points 9 months ago

improvements happen but its been two steps back and one forward since reagan and more more like 3 since bush jr and now we seem to be taking a dozen back. Take out the republican controlled periods and we would have advanced pretty decently and that is without all the time wasted recovering all the back steps.

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SpacetimeMachine 2 points 9 months ago

I'd argue Democrats have instead intentionally hampered any real progress, not trying to improve it "incrementally." Or at least, they sure don't seem to mind when the Republicans stop them from doing anything worthwhile over the last 20 years.

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HubertManne 2 points 9 months ago

I disagree. Last 20 years have had 12 years of democrats which resulted in obamacare, dodd-frank, end to don't ask don't tell, fair pay act, daca, iran nuclear deal, paris accord, restoration of cuban relations, loan forgiveness (despite all the stuff knocked down they still got the save plan), getting rid of non competes. Yeah and some were knocked down by republican actions but thats the problem. Then you add that a lot of time was dealt with stimulus from the bad economic practices of republicans again and having to wind down their wars. Its like your blaming them for not improving the building when they have to spend most of the time putting out the fires. Get rid of the people starting the fires and plenty of progress can be made.

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drhodl 2 points 9 months ago

It'd probably go better for the Dems, if they didn't have the exact same donors as the Republikkklans do. You don't want ANY politician, of any stripe, to have their first (and only?) loyalty to people that pay them more than voters do.

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HubertManne 2 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately thats a pretty high bar. Anyone who wins will get donations from the large players and turning them down would be foolish. Definately need to get rid of citizens united and bring back regulation for donations and the media and such.

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drhodl 1 point 9 months ago

It's a bar that much of the rest of the world seems to have cleared quite well. What you Americans call "donations" and "lobbying", the rest of us call Bribery. Your attitude explains American gun rights, too, where many of you think you have a god given right to own military hardware, even as your neighbors kids are being butchered by those same weapons. The rest of the world has mostly addressed gun rights in a civilized way, and only Americans think like that, and think gun legislation is hard. You NEED to start holding your do nothing politicians to the fire, about these issues. You NEED to do it years ago. Not everything needs to be about profit and money.

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HubertManne 1 point 9 months ago

And I do which is why I push for an end to citizens united and bringing back regulation. Things that the rest of the world does not have allowing them to clear the bar. Much of what is really fucking the us today is from court rulings and I would caution the rest of the world if their courts have power of interpretation.

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Fedizen 1 point 9 months ago

The 4th of july funding bill needed a cloture vote by senate dems that they never should have given. I hold no ill will to house democrats but the senate democrats fucked up big time.

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HubertManne 1 point 9 months ago

yeah that is one thing but the republicans crafted that bill. Get rid of the shit all over us and then we can work on combing the hair and such.

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FosterMolasses -1 points 9 months ago

Lmao couldn't have put it better myself.

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queermunist 1 point 9 months ago

Sure, Jan.

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