WIndows is bloated, especially if there are updates involved. However, how old is the hard drive it's on? Not only tech age, but perhaps there are some read errors occurring to cause rereading that you aren't seeing because it finally works. Also, if it is a hard drive upgrading to SSD is huge as well.
Smokeydope 1 point 9 months ago path: 0 19710319 19715288 19716862, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
mybuttnolie 29 points 9 months ago
if you have a gigabyte motherboard, samsung monitor will have booted seven times and you still have time to make coffee
daggermoon 67 points 9 months ago
Y'all actually use Gentoo, I thought is was just a joke
redsand 3 points 9 months ago
What pain? I've only managed to break it ignoring news and config changes or playing with experimental packages and my own patches.
Otherwise it should be install and intervene in an update twice a year to dispatch-conf.
missphant 6 points 9 months ago
It is very stable and I like that when an update breaks it fails to build rather than failing down the road during runtime, but I never quite got the hang of running -9999 packages (Gentoo's -git equivalent), which I like running on Arch. Also in general getting new updates quicker and just having a bigger library of packages and the AUR available, since it was kinda getting old coming across software I use or wanna use that has no ebuild available and having to make my own.
KSPAtlas 2 points 9 months ago
Have you considered nixOS? It's very good at dealing with failures during updates, allows you to revert to previous generations if something does go wrong, and makes it fairly easy to install packages from git like normal packages (even the main package store for nix is just a git repo)
Ging 8 points 9 months ago
I said the same about ubuntu, debian, then arch. I believed arch and it's wikis/docs were the endgame. I stayed arching through college ( thought endeavorOS was arch meme for awhile, because why would you want an easier arch install? Turns out, college professors are incorrigible to a maddening degree, and finding so many linux workarounds got me in all types of trouble I didn't fully understand yet--better wipe and reset for sanity sake...again)
tl;dr I thought all non-windows were jokes before I found precisely what I was looking for all along.
EDIT: tldr itself reads like a joke, I'm just saying I thought almost all distros were a joke until I felt something better was missing--gentoo is where I've been for about a decade now. I'm quite worried nix or guix is the joke I will be maining in the future, but I don't seem to need any of it's features just yet, but who knows. I'm willing to be persuaded because of how wrong I've been...hell might get a comment today opens my eyes to the declarative life any minute now lol
null 7 points 9 months ago
NixOS is the most boring distro I've ever used. I configured everything how I want it and now it all just works. If an update would break, it just fails. If it somehow does break, just rollback.
Want to set up a new machine with the same config? Pull and rebuild.
ATS1312 2 points 9 months ago
Gentoo and Arch are built to be infinitely mod-able.
Writing a patch for a thing you use at home, and wanna share it with the world? Gentoo even makes that easier. Arch stepped away from that to rely on precompiled binaries for simplicity and efficiency's sake, but it's still available through the ABS and AUR with some extra steps.
Nix and Guix? I'm afraid of the dependency-redundancy involved, but organizational deployments seem like the right place for that.
Serious development without requiring a dedicated machine, where all deps are accounted for? Yeah, Nix/Guix will help quite a bit. Rapid, flexible deployment of something customized and virtualized? There too, Nix/Guix.
Need some containerization or Virtualization? Gentoo or Arch already has your back. And if that's your primary usecase, you may prefer Qubes to anything we've already discussed. Then again... Gentoo could use a Qubes-porting repo maintainer.
DrunkAnRoot 6 points 9 months ago
for the last 6 years though im slowly switching to arch
juipeltje 11 points 9 months ago
I have a different problem where if i don't turn on my monitor in time, it will still work just fine but my motherboard will turn on this annoying little white light that won't turn off again, so i have to reboot to make it go off again.
juipeltje 2 points 9 months ago
Oh that's weird lol. I think if i remember correctly when i looked it up, the white light on my motherboard is actually staying on as a warning that no display is connected, which is nice and all, but it would have been great if it turned off again when a display is detected, but it just stays on forever. It's only a very small light but it's bright as hell, so it's really annoying and it hits your eye eventhough the pc is off to the side lol.
darius 3 points 9 months ago
I've found that if you've got a VGA analog output port on your motherboard or GPU, it'll output to that by default; so any digital (HDMI, DP, DVI) interface that is powered or plugged in after the fact will have to be toggled with a hotkey to mirror or extend the monitors
ivanafterall 21 points 9 months ago
Monitors are a crutch for people who don't pay close enough attention to their inputs.
ivanafterall 1 point 9 months ago
Hole punch/Tape strip Rocket League, please!
MudMan 19 points 9 months ago
I don't know about Gentoo, but as a serial dual booter I know this pain well.
I swear about two thirds of the time going through grub on every boot adds to the process are waiting for my monitor to figure itself out. Half the time it doesn't get there on time at all.
Aedis 25 points 9 months ago
If your mobo has an efi bootloader, which now-a-days almost all are, make sure grub is also an efi image and don't allow the early boot to take control of the frame buffer.
Setting these flags for the bootloader, grub in your case, should make sure the monitor only does a single initialize.
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=gfxterm
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
Source: just went through something similar and was annoyed that the monitor would take forever to start.
MudMan 6 points 9 months ago
I can give that a whirl if it's not set up like that already, but the monitor is VERY slow on its own. It basically never wakes up in time for the BIOS bootscreen and any signal interruption sends it on a wild goose chase of signal searching around its inputs that can take ten seconds at a time. It's not a cheap monitor, either, which I assume is part of the problem, as it wants to be super smart about a bunch of things and has to contend with a bunch of options and alternatives that maybe a simpler setup wouldn't.
Still, worth a shot to try to tune grub and double check if it's swapping modes unnecessarily between the bios image and the menu. I hadn't considered it. Like so many Linux features and app there's a bunch of stuff you can config on it that I keep not looking into because it's only surfaced in documentation, if that.
EDIT: Tried, didn't help. The motherboard rebooting gives the monitor just enough time to search its display port input, decide it's been unplugged and shut down, so by the time another monitor picks up the slack it's too late and the timeout has expired unless you're mashing down to stop it. The changes do make the second monitor come up at its native resolution instead of changing modes, but the mistake happens elsewhere.
I could just set a longer timeout, but I'd rather have a faster boot when I'm sticking to the default than wait for the whole mess to sort itself out every time. Been mashing bios entry buttons and bootloader menus since the 90s, what's a couple decades more.
Still dumb, though.
fading_person 17 points 9 months ago
My thing with gentoo is that my devices that would benefit the most from it are also the ones that will struggle the most with compiling everything. If it wasn't for that, I would sure give it a try in my lower end devices
Jankatarch 8 points 9 months ago
You could use the computing power of your better computer(s) to compile.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/...
(or)
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Distcc#To_bootstrap
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Distcc
fading_person 7 points 9 months ago
Hmm that's really interesting. Thanks for the links.
RIP my free time...
M137 12 points 9 months ago
I use an old Sony TV from around 2008 as my monitor, I can turn on the TV and via my laptop screen shut the laptop down then manually boot again and it'll be fully booted before the TV is ready and showing the desktop. Got it from my neighbours when they tried to throw it out, it's not amazing but I'm very happy to have it as I wouldn't have anything other than the even more shitty 720p laptop screen otherwise.
TimeSquirrel 14 points 9 months ago
Now hang on, 2008 ain't that old...
Realizes it was 17 years ago
Slowly walks into the sea.
_stranger_ 3 points 9 months ago
I updated my resume recently and...yeah.
yeah.
ChaoticNeutralCzech 5 points 9 months ago
Yup, my Sony Bravia is great for movies except some quirks:
- takes over 10 seconds to sync to HDMI
- panel is 1366Γ768 but only 1360Γ768 is accessible over HDMI (it can be shifted up to 3 pixels left/right though)
- its LUT for color brightness is all messed up with RGB HDMI signals, the lowest 30 or so brightness steps map to full black and then the brightness takes off steeply. A YCbCr-capable GPU is needed to correct this (an inverse LUT is techniclly possible but will not compensate for the awfully giant steps in dark areas unless the GPU also adds dithering).
AnAmericanPotato 2 points 9 months ago
panel is 1366Γ768 but only 1360Γ768 is accessible over HDMI
Weird. Did they decide that resolution wasn't cursed enough to begin with?!
I wonder if HDMI requires resolutions to be evenly divisible by 8. 1366 was always strange. I'm not sure I've ever seen it on an external monitor, mostly just cheap laptops.
f314 7 points 9 months ago
1366 was always strange.
1366 is 768 divided by 9 times 16, to get an image with 16:9 (widescreen) aspect ratio. The 768 part comes from 1024x768, which was a very common screen resolution back when.
dual_sport_dork 2 points 9 months ago
We have several crusty 1366x768 monitors kicking around my workplace, and none of them in regular use because they're awful. I am reasonably certain part of why they're so awful is because they are indeed repurposed cheap laptop panels slapped into even cheaper shells. Supporting evidence here is that they're all significantly and suspiciously lighter than our other monitors. At least this helps with their usual use case, which is carting around to be portable temporary setups for diagnosis and troubleshooting. Every time we need a spare monitor the boss inevitably winds up ordering whatever the first option is on Amazon when sorting by price, and that's how we wind up with these.
I notice several of them also run off of wall warts with really weird voltages. I think one of them we have is 8.5 volts.
fading_person 2 points 9 months ago
I used to have a 1366x768 monitor. They're actually pretty common, at least here in Brazil
ChaoticNeutralCzech 1 point 9 months ago
Nah, just 1080i. And this will fill the screen (in fact, with slight overscan) but obviously native resolution is better.
Some Bravia models had 6 analog inputs (not counting VGA+3.5mm), at least one of which was a full-featured SCART port with RGB support and AV output to the VCR. And interlaced content worked seamlessly, and probably looked better than on modern TVs.
Sir_Simon_Spamalot 9 points 9 months ago
All that ricing, and what did that get you?
umbraroze 6 points 9 months ago
I use Debian 13 on my shitty junk desktop computer.
Problem is, it has VGA and DisplayPort, and my monitor only has a DisplayPort input, and all of the bootup shit defaults to the VGA. No way to change it in the BIOS as far as I can tell.
I installed my favourite GRUB theme, such a great tool to manage my depression (it was a great way to start the day on my work laptop back when I had work), but I never actually get to see GRUB menu on this system. π
poinck 1 point 9 months ago
On my EIZO monitor with DP connected I have no issues seeing all of the boot process (Gentoo and Debian 13). I just have to ensure I power up the monitor 1 second before starting the computer. This monitor has great colors for it's age, only 60Hz, though.
At work I noticed the newer Dell monitors seem to boot for 2 to 5 seconds, but the BIOS on both work machines is slow enough to don't bother counting down 5 seconds until I boot them.
Generally, I find it a bit annoying and great that everything "monitors" is so dynamically detected. This is why I always power on the monitors first and I can live/work in peace.
MonkderVierte 1 point 9 months ago
But why do they always need that long? Can't they check inputs in parallel or what?
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I have the opposite problem on my windows pc, it takes so long to boot that the monitor goes into standby before it boots again
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