Wouldn't want anyone to know

a year ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/memes

MyDarkestTimeline01 147 points a year ago

It's so dumb. Just let people rate it with the five stars. They're so gun-ho with the algorithm let it do its job.

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MountingSuspicion 129 points a year ago

They don't want you knowing what other people think of the video. It's just about what you think of the video. Much easier to have an algorithmically perfect echo chamber if everyone is privately rating things and has no idea what others think about them.

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relic__ 5 points a year ago

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to only expose the other ratings after you rate?

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finitebanjo 10 points a year ago

Well it isn't beneficial for the company because people might realize they hold unpopular opinions and the company wants to be able to control the people's opinions regardless of popularity, that way they can keep users on the site engaging with that content for longer.

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Koarnine 1 point a year ago

But then how do you stop people clicking to see first, locking them in? But then how do you deal with missclicks?

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SoftestSapphic 2 points a year ago

Advertisers forgetting that every person is an accumulation of other pelople influencing their behavior

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UnderpantsWeevil 62 points a year ago

It's all bots anyway

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 29 points a year ago

The thumbs up/thumbs down thing was fine too.

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abfarid 13 points a year ago

I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time 1 and 5 stars options were used, so like/dislike is enough. There isn't much point in including a "I have no strong feelings one way or another" button.

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MotoAsh 6 points a year ago

Sure there is: A known quantity is always better than an unknown quantity. Though would be far more informative if rating was mandatory, or otherwise defaulted to 3 stars or some such.

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abfarid 0 points a year ago

Then just assume that video that hasn't been interacted with is 3 stars, same result. I could see there being an additional like above regular one, like love our something. But YT now kinda has the hype feature which I suppose does a similar job.

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henfredemars 99 points a year ago

The final stage is not caring at all what you think user. Only consume.

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AtariDump 83 points a year ago

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MeatPilot 42 points a year ago

Great movie btw. But this just gave me the perfect idea for an ad blocker, that would replace all the ads with these type of signs.

Someone smarter than, get on it!

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Hoimo 13 points a year ago

https://www.reddit.com/...

This uses Catblock with a custom image set, but Catblock hasn't been updated in 6 years, so I don't know how well it still works. Anyway, if Catblock won't work, we have to find a blocker that allows for some customization and then fit those "They Live" images in.

(I'm trying to get Catblock to work, but somehow I can't find any pages that even load ads? I think the pihole is blocking the scripts that would load the ads.)

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AtariDump 2 points a year ago

Your PiHole probably is (blocking the ads). Shoutout to the PiHole team!

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IronBird 7 points a year ago

what movie?

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ArtVandelay 18 points a year ago

They Live (1988)

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affenlehrer 6 points a year ago

I'm almost sure I've actually seen that implemented somewhere

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sfxrlz 5 points a year ago

Like reverse google glasses ?

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ameancow 60 points a year ago
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RogerMeMore 10 points a year ago

"Oh man, I remember those days when the stars actually meant something! Now they're just trying to push their own agenda on us."

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criss_cross 7 points a year ago

“Amy Schumer isn’t hated by Netflix users. It’s the star system that’s wrong. “

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Croquette 1 point a year ago

Not so much. It's more like "Is there enough Nettlix users that likes Amy Schumer so that we can finance her next special".

Corpos only care about what you like so that they can maximize their profit.

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WanderingThoughts 60 points a year ago

Then you start watching mostly your subscription list and they get angry their fancy algorithm isn't working.

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jazzkoalapaws 52 points a year ago

There's a war on negative feedback.

It's not good for business.

Now be happy.

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Credibly_Human 15 points a year ago

The thing is, people themselves outside of business motives hate negativity.

People regularly get angry at others for bringing up criticisms of everything from foods to their favourite media products.

Even decades ago they'd give them names like negative Nancy, and within social settings the worst people often can win by weaponizing civility to quell legitimate backlash against immoral actions.

I mean, fuck, think about how many stories you've heard of people who have been the victims of sexual assault, who get told by normal people to shut up and whose experiences were diminished because it harshed other peoples mellow?

People suck, and one of the biggest reasons people suck, is they would prefer a harmful peaceful positivity than a tumultuous improvement causing negativity.

I think these companies are hooking into these human flaws in ways that hurt us, and benefit them with information asymmetry.

I don't think we can properly fix these flaws without somehow getting normal people to acknowledge that negativity is not just good, but vitally important.

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TankovayaDiviziya 6 points a year ago

people themselves outside of business motives hate negativity.

I think these companies are hooking into these human flaws in ways that hurt us, and benefit them with information asymmetry.

Oh, companies know. Social media have definitive data that show most users engage on anger. That's why it's in their core interest to promote rage baits and disinformation. More engagements means more traffic. More traffic means more advertisers. More advertisers means more revenues.

Hell, even before social media, news tends to report more on negative news than positive ones. Because bad news is tantamount to hearing gossips, and we all love gossips. I know many of us will say bad news makes us sad, and yet we still tune in to any news.

People regularly get angry at others for bringing up criticisms of everything from foods to their favourite media products.

Kind of on a tangent, I notice this as well that some people seem more predisposed to negative thinking. I think it's just hardwired into them. Although, I have to say, in my field of work, negative thinkers tend to have good attention to detail. Being suspicious and mindful all the time, they will check every nooks and crannies, and examining and scanning for almost everything. It is a good trait to a limited degree, but it could impair relationships both at work and outside, if one is too suspicious and distrustful of everyone.

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Credibly_Human 1 point a year ago

Oh, companies know. Social media have definitive data that show most users engage on anger. That’s why it’s in their core interest to promote rage baits and disinformation. More engagements means more traffic. More traffic means more advertisers. More advertisers means more revenues.

I think you might be misunderstanding my point here. Rage bait, and hate are separate to the idea of toxic positivity, which is a separate concept companies also use and abuse, and which is the subject of my comment.

Hell, even before social media, news tends to report more on negative news than positive ones. Because bad news is tantamount to hearing gossips, and we all love gossips. I know many of us will say bad news makes us sad, and yet we still tune in to any news.

I actually disagree with this one fundamentally.

Good news just isn't as important as bad news on average.

Good news is typically long term, progressive and rarely has singular big moments. "X number of people moved out of poverty through the effects of economic policies started XX years ago" isn't something that it makes sense to give time over "flash flooding hits current location".

More than that, the news cycle is ill equipped to go into detail for more nuanced stories, and it would be rife with organizations like the world economic forum cooking stats to present much more peachy societal outcomes under policies they favour vs more objective or neutral viewpoints.

Kind of on a tangent, I notice this as well that some people seem more predisposed to negative thinking. I think it’s just hardwired into them. Although, I have to say, in my field of work, negative thinkers tend to have good attention to detail.

Quite frankly, I hate absolutely everything about the sentiment of this snippet. The idea that negativity is bad inherently is, I well, looking at my previous comment, I think I've already expressed that point.

Negative points are goals to hit. Positive ones are literally just less important. They're check offs on your todo list. Important perhaps for internal motivation, but not so when communicating news, events, research (mostly) etc.

It is a good trait to a limited degree, but it could impair relationships both at work and outside, if one is too suspicious and distrustful of everyone.

I would say this doesn't seem wholly unreasonable.

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Samsy 3 points a year ago

Every negative feedback I made on Google Playstore got removed. You know what? It was the Dev himself who asked for deleting. Critics aren't allowed one some services.

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Entertainmeonly 44 points a year ago

5 star rating are actually 4 star ratings with a free 20% boost.

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Randelung 24 points a year ago

Hate it. Gave my employer a bad review, 1-2 stars in most categories, and the average was still a 3.7?? I have to adjust my intuition when reading star reviews. Apparently 3.5 is bottom of the barrel.

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tuff_wizard 19 points a year ago

The good news is: that reviews wasn’t really accurate.

The bad news is: that review wasn’t really anonymous.

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Randelung 8 points a year ago

My last day is Friday. :)

I've tried my best during the last seven years to make a change, both by lobbying upper management and introducing change in my team. Nothing stuck, nobody besides my team mates cared. So I hope it's not really anonymous. I'm clinging to the illusion they'll somehow take it to heart now that it's public, for the betterment of the team mates I leave behind.

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copd 2 points a year ago

I don't understand, are you inferring the reviews do not accurately represent the results?

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Randelung 5 points a year ago

I don't think 3.7 stars accurately describes my experience in that company, yes. But that means that the meaning I gave to what 3.7 stars feels like is not what the company feels like, mostly because my 'lowest' would be 0 stars. In my world, 2.5 stars is 50% - but crucially it's not, 3 stars is 50%. That's why I have to recalibrate my feelings of the star system.

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pulsewidth 41 points a year ago

Next step: you must have a camera enabed to use YouTube so we can directly monitor your facial expressions with AI✨ and save you precious rating time to recommend you better videos!

But really so we can ensure you're watching the ads.
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Zink 15 points a year ago

I know I am not alone here, because Lemmy and all, but holy god damn does that little AI sparkle trigger me more than any other AI term or image.

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P00ptart 3 points a year ago

Look! It's a sparkle! Nothing bad could be related to that at all!

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minorkeys 30 points a year ago

They just hiding performance metrics because they know it affects viewing habits, right?

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scala 26 points a year ago

Funny enough the dislike button is there but hidden. You can get extensions that show the thumbs down button and how many clicked it.

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The_Picard_Maneuver 25 points a year ago

I've wondered about those. I always assumed they'd just show the down votes by others with the same extension.

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tehmics 21 points a year ago

Yes but extrapolated

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87Six 23 points a year ago

In my experience, the extension is INCREDIBLY good. Whenever I get a shady video, it has dislikes, and normal videos almost never have any significant amount of dislikes. They're as accurate as they can be but it's more than enough to be useful.

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mirshafie 13 points a year ago

The dislike button would be a godsend with all this ai slop.

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Yerbouti 5 points a year ago

I can confirm. Really useful, I almost forgot it's suppose to be hiden.

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Nangijala 8 points a year ago

Apparently the extensions aren't reliable at all. I saw a video at one point where a guy went over why you cannot trust the extensions and how the numbers are pure fiction, but I forget the exact reasons. I think one example was that the same video would have vastly differnet numbers of down votes depending on the person with the extension. Something something confirmation bias.

For me, it doesn't really matter. I still down vote when I dislike a video. They may not count my vote at all, but I still do it out of stubbornness.

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Ironfacebuster 10 points a year ago

They actually do count it but it's only visible to the uploader

Also, from what I understand about specifically ReturnYoutubeDislikes it counts dislikes FROM people using the extension and uses that to extrapolate from the visible like count. I haven't seen the video though so it's definitely possible that's all bunk

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MystikIncarnate 22 points a year ago

All I want to say is:

I rarely like any video so much that I want to give it a solid 👍

Its also pretty rare for 👎

But I'll rate stuff on a scale of ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ every day of the week.

Also, hiding 👎 is completely brain-dead stupid.

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lemmydividebyzero -4 points a year ago

Also, hiding 👎 is completely brain-dead stupid.

I think, it depends on the platform. The reason why many platform don't show them is the constant negativity simply caused by different opinions.

40 people agree with your post, 60 don't agree... I call that pluralism. But showing a -20 for example could motivate the person to delete their post, which leads to echo chambers.

My Lemmy instance does not show any downvotes by the way and I like it. If one disagrees with me, they can leave a comment.

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MystikIncarnate 4 points a year ago

You can't see it, but more people disagree with you than agree with you.

Just FYI.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you like what you like. So don't worry, be happy.

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elephantium 1 point a year ago

For context, when I looked, there were less than 5 votes. So "more people" is really just "a couple of dogs".

(Oh, wait, on the Internet, no one is supposed to know you're a dog)

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MystikIncarnate 1 point a year ago

Woof.

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ramble81 14 points a year ago

Anyone else notice that thumbs down is back, there just isn’t a counter. I’ve seen it for a few weeks now.

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lugal 15 points a year ago

I'm pretty sure it never was different tho I usually use a plugin that shows thumbs-downs. It's basically guessing for new videos so it's not really useful but still

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tynansdtm 11 points a year ago

I'm pretty sure it counts the dislikes of the people who also have the extension installed, and extrapolates from that.

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M137 8 points a year ago

I thought it never left? They just didn't show the number of dislikes to anyone other than the channel who made the video (without plugins, revanced etc).

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Lemminary 3 points a year ago

I'd be surprised if it did anything.

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triple 3 points a year ago

It does. Dislikes are still visible in revanced and probably other 3rd party wrappers. Must still be accessible via API.

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lugal 13 points a year ago

I get the first step. You don't watch a video and have the urge to tell the world that it was neither good nor bad. I think they moved to stars because everyone just gave 1 or 5 eitherway

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damnedfurry 3 points a year ago

Yeah, that's not definitely not on YouTube, the final 'star score' was effectively indicative only of the ratio of the 5-stars to the 1-stars. The infinitesimal minority that would actually thoughtfully rate 2, 3, or 4 stars made no difference at all.

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ZoteTheMighty 12 points a year ago

My favorite is Amazon streaming that has a "rating for your taste out of 5 stars", but they don't want it to point out that most of their catalog is shit, so everything from Shawshank Redemption to Movie 43 are "4.5 stars for you"

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DupaCycki 12 points a year ago

Corporation does well: brags about all the statistics Corporation does poorly: hides all the statistics and asks customers to trust it that it's doing well

Classic corporate transparency. When a filthy corpo says they're dedicated to something, they're usually dedicated to the opposite.

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Bazell 10 points a year ago

Next step: you no longer can like or dislike the video.

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sakuraba 12 points a year ago

Next step: you no longer choose a video, it just feeds it to you tiktok style

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ivanafterall 6 points a year ago

Eventually, mandatory video enemas are when things take a real turn.

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TomArrr 6 points a year ago

The day when taking the phone to the toilet is mandatory

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edgemaster72 4 points a year ago

Old and busted: pop-up video

New hotness: pop-in video

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MourningDove 7 points a year ago
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DupaCycki 4 points a year ago

Unfortunately, a lot of content is still exclusive to YouTube. Every now and then I try to look for the things I watch on Nebula or Odysee, but they're just not there. Only a handful of channels that mirror their content + some specials on Nebula.

We can always politely ask our favourite content creators to upload their stuff on other platforms, but the success rate is disappointing.

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Lucidlethargy 5 points a year ago

I blame Netflix for starting this shit, and I blame everyone who subscribes to them for allowing it.

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Bazell 5 points a year ago

I do not know why to use Netflix in the first place if you can simply visit free streaming platforms like HDREZKA, watch a few ads and then enjoy your film. Yeah, ads can be annoying sometimes but, at least, all is free, content doesn't get removed simply because of it is no longer watched actively and no forced registration. And they also provide some useful features like the personal lists, collections, different sound records, history of publication for series and even the approximate schedule for the upcoming series which is really useful.

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ZILtoid1991 5 points a year ago

TBH, people often dislike bombed videos some pundit "disproved" it for them.

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SuperIce 4 points a year ago

The like/dislike system is better than stars IMO.

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Zacryon 8 points a year ago

I disagree. There are a lot of videos that I find just "meh". I might not regret watching them, but wouldn't recommend them nor watch again.
Then there is content which I find pretty good/bad but not extremely good or bad. For such cases a more nuanced scale is better.

For other users this might be less informative, since they will be seeing just the average anyway and can therefore only determine general perception; except if the distribution is also made available.

But for a personalized recommendation system I think a nuanced scale can work better.

From a content creators perspective one can also evaluate better whether there is room for improvement and by "how much", in case one is interested in such.

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SuperIce 2 points a year ago

What about a trinary system? Like, dislike, and meh?

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AkatsukiLevi 2 points a year ago

Quaternary Like, dislike, meh, "what in tarnation?"

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T00l_shed 4 points a year ago

I like the quinternary system like a strong dislike, a dislike, a meh, a like, a love.

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biotin7 3 points a year ago

There also used to be a response button of sorts like a review section on playstore. (Or am I remembering things wrong)

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finitebanjo 3 points a year ago

I'm on the fence with the thumbs vs stars. On one hand, a boolean is probably better than an integer for a number of reasons. Another thing to consider is that the five star system can be gamed by only giving 0 or 5 depending on if you believe the content deserves a higher or lower average, meaning people who figure that out have more voting power... which is... better?

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grindemup 2 points a year ago

Doesn't this apply only if you are looking at mean average exclusively? There are loads of other metrics you can look at based on scalar ratings.

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LanFee -2 points a year ago

Problem with the stars system is that people with RTL languages use it backwards. So you'll often get 1 start with a positive feedback.

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ryven -8 points a year ago

Every video that I ever saw with a like:dislike ratio like the one in frame 2 was being brigaded for reasons unrelated to video quality.

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Geth 14 points a year ago

When Blizzard said "Do You Guys Not Have Phones?" the problem was obviously not the quality of the video presented, it was the topic at hand and made perfect sense to have all the dislikes. It makes no sense to take that away from users.

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snowsuit2654 13 points a year ago

I mean, was it even supposed to be related to quality? If I dislike the content of a video I'm going to hit dislike even if it's well made.

But yeah, I guess the ratios were usually from brigading.

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