I'm just trying to search for a website...

8 months ago by cloudskater to c/fuck_ai

Been trying to get away from DuckDuckGo because of their support of "AI" stuff, but come on, one of these isn't even in English, and that's what I have my language set to.

Ep1cFac3pa1m 91 points 8 months ago

Results using noai.DuckDuckGo.com

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blinfabian 13 points 8 months ago

yup, literally just use a good seatch engine and you'll find everything you need (idek what OP is using is that startpage?)

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Turret3857 10 points 8 months ago

OP is using SearxNG, an Open-Source, Self Host able metasearch engine which is not going to work well unless you set your own settings correctly and tailor them to how you use the web. StartPage is just proxied google results. SearxNG can proxy StartPage, but these results are from Bing.

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cloudskater 3 points 8 months ago

Yeah I didn't realize my settings weren't configured right, so I did so, came back today and found they were switched back! That's why I was struggling. I have SearxNG in my whitelist for cookies too, so no idea why that's happening. With the settings changed, it works great!

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Yliaster 2 points 8 months ago

How's Qwant in terms of search results and privacy/AI?

I've been using startpage (it's an improvement over Mojeek, that was kinda unusable).

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Zerush 2 points 8 months ago

Mojeek has improved a lot in last times. Is a good alternative, but always good to use several search engines for different tasks, all they have its + and -, eg Startpage is good for image search, Andi is fine for semantic and concept searches with excelent summaries, Mojeek and Qwant for general websearch, etc.- In the Vivaldi forum you can find the, maybe, most complete list of search engines out there which you can test (all include the needed insert code to add these direct to the list in your browser - 19 page thread)

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blinfabian 1 point 8 months ago

search results: they used to suck when i tried using qwant a year ago, but now theyre the exact same as on ecosia and google from my experience

privacy: this is what they say on their website

AI: havent spotted any ai featurea yet

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Yliaster 1 point 8 months ago

I'm a bit distrustful of the current french political scene and macron's involvement in their phasing out of American tech (which is in principle good but it's the actors here that are sus).

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cloudskater 9 points 8 months ago

I know. I'm trying not to use DuckDuckGo because of their AI support. I was told this was a good search engine to use instead, but it often spits random stuff back at me.

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circuitfarmer 75 points 8 months ago

The noai.duckduckgo.com URL is important to notice in the screenshot.

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wobblyunionist 29 points 8 months ago
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zikzak025 10 points 8 months ago

That's my take as well. You can also remove AI results from Google by adding the &udm=14 string to force web results only, but it doesn't absolve them of blame for how much they push AI. DDG deserves equal criticism.

It's like old Reddit. Sure it still exists, but it only gets worse and worse as they double down on the version everyone hates until the majority don't even know there's another option. And there's no guarantee they keep supporting the option that makes them less money.

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circuitfarmer 7 points 8 months ago

Possibly, though as another commenter mentioned, using the noai URL for the moment is a good way to voice discontent. Not using it just falls into the "everyone uses google" narrative in a different way.

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Canconda 5 points 8 months ago

You really do either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.

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LostWanderer 9 points 8 months ago

SearXNG is a mixed bag to be honest...I find that Ononoki's SearXNG delivers decent results...It's a bit mixed at times with PieFed being the third option. Some topics are surfaced better than others, so your mileage will vary with SearXNG.

Using the No AI version of DuckDuckGo sends them a message that their bet on "AI" isn't going to win them any accolades. It's an easy way to push back. As they are tracking those metrics and people can see the numbers of how many users disapprove of AI.

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potatoguy 6 points 8 months ago

Bing and yahoo are VERY bad, it seems they detect that they are being used through proxies, I made another comment for what i use in searxng.

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SpaceNoodle 4 points 8 months ago

DDG's backend is really just Bing, though ...

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LostWanderer 3 points 8 months ago

Ah shit, I forgot to turn both those off. Ugh, I've been playing browser shuffle...Good catch!

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tyler 4 points 8 months ago

What search engine?

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SpaceNoodle 2 points 8 months ago

It's just Bing wearing a duck hat anyway

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starblursd -8 points 8 months ago

I use brave search, in the settings you can turn off ai answer and anonymous telemetry

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U7826391786239 27 points 8 months ago
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Jack 11 points 8 months ago

Several useless slop paragraphs in that article - seems to have been written by LLM.

Human summary: Brave is a Chromium-based browser that is recommended by some for privacy. It's created by homophobe and Republican donor Brendan Eich, who was asked by several Mozilla employees to resign and led to half of Mozilla's board to step down. After OKCupid started pointing out his homophobia to Mozilla browsers users, he finally quit.

After that he created Brave with millions of dollars from amongst others Founders Fundโ€™s FF Angel, Propel Venture Partners, Pantera Capital, Foundation Capital, and Digital Currency Group.

In 2016 the "Brave Ad Replacement" was announced which would replace ads on pages with ones injected by Brave, paying in crypto.

Brave collected donations in their crypto on behalf of people like Tom Scott without asking them, and when Tom found out and told Brave to stop, Brave said "refunds are impossible".

In 2020 Brave Browser silently injected referral links into URLs of crypto wallets containing Brave's affiliate code.

By default they display sponsored images as the background for the home and new tab pages.

In 2021 Brave Browser exposed the .onion domains people visited as part of the DNS traffic so their ISPs could track users.

In 2023 Brave announced that they'd be selling their search data to AI companies, and prevented sites from opting out of this even if they asked not to be scraped by Brave.

In 2024 Brave deprecated their option for Strict fingerprinting protection.

Brave also paid for advertisement whenever users searched for "Firefox" in the Play Store, displaying "Forget the Fox", which Brave's VP (who promoted NFTs and FTX with AI) denied - meaning he was lying or didn't find out before denying it.

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bright_side_ 2 points 8 months ago

Nice to find an up to date article, thanks

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wobblyunionist 1 point 8 months ago
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gwl 11 points 8 months ago

So you know:

CEO is a anti-vaxxer anti-masker asshole, and incredibly pro-AI and pro-crypto.

Also the browser did at one point "accidentally" have a crypto farm built into it.

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starblursd -11 points 8 months ago

I'm so tired of the insistence that you have to agree with everything that the CEO does or says if you use a piece of software... You can turn off the ai and crypto in browser settings with a couple clicks. Also I'm talking about the search engine not the browser. I don't use the browser purely because the Linux builds split mode doesn't work nearly as clean as Zen, plus i prefer Firefox forks

I use it cause it's a search engine that gives good results and that can disable ai answers... Until I'm able to get my server PC finished to selfhost searxng

Edit they actually slopped up the browser to the point it's beyond disabling it. Literally just garbage

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DaMummy 1 point 8 months ago

That's because this is an ad for PieFed.

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cloudskater 2 points 8 months ago

lol no I just didn't realize I had my stuff configured wrong. But I was searching for Piefed with the intent to join bc Lemmy's devs suck and yeah, shit's good. So if you want, you can consider this reply an ad for Piefed, tho it's actually a neutral endorsement :3

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a_non_monotonic_function 1 point 8 months ago

Lol, just did the same thing.

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bright_side_ 24 points 8 months ago

Instead of getting a search service with some ads on the side, you're provided ads with search results sprinkled in

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potatoguy 21 points 8 months ago

Bing on searxng is shit, yahoo ultimately is bad too, I use this combination, it helps a lot:

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cloudskater 2 points 8 months ago

Hell yeah I only enabled a couple of these and it already helps a lot, thank you!

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gwl 17 points 8 months ago

Switch to Startpage, it's actually pretty great

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privatepirate 7 points 8 months ago

I like Startpage, but I had to switch to DDG because it was giving me captchas constantly for using a VPN.

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SushiSushi 3 points 8 months ago

I moved to startpage sinc eit was default when i moved to waterfox. Its mostly been good, but I've had a few times where it's been painful slow.

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arcine 3 points 8 months ago
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gwl 2 points 8 months ago

Wait, it is?

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enbiousenvy 1 point 8 months ago

Startpage is System1

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xvertigox 1 point 8 months ago
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Zerush 15 points 8 months ago path: 0 22355647, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 0
rimu 14 points 8 months ago

This doesn't look right:

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I use searxng too, it's decent mostly. Check your language settings?

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bright_side_ 5 points 8 months ago

I see you're trying to solve the problem, that's nice ๐Ÿ™‚

But I had to laugh at the sites logic: Let's detect users language, Ah! Must be country xyz, with knowing that: Go to chat GPT and ask there ๐Ÿ˜‚

It's such a bad search result, doesn't matter if language is set or not.

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cloudskater 4 points 8 months ago

Whaaat? That's bizarre, I swear I had that set.

Nope, it wasn't set. Still returned weird results so I'll try that configuration the other commenter posted.

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ICastFist 13 points 8 months ago

Not even google tries to hide it

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mlg 12 points 8 months ago

I searched up how to stop a stratis pool (Redhat knockoff ZFS) and Google gleefully gave me instructions to destroy the stratis pool, and then claimed there was no way to take down a stratis pool without destroying the data.

I think clicked on the top link which was a RedHat article that told you right from the beginning that it's stratis pool stop --name

Only reason I had to even search was because I didn't have the stratis CLI installed, so no manpage

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mech 6 points 8 months ago

We're rapidly approaching a time where you have to curate your own list of helpful websites again, cause search engines are useless.
https://www.mankier.com/

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arcine 12 points 8 months ago
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Zephorah 11 points 8 months ago

I hate subs, for any kind of entertainment most of all, but I think theyโ€™re necessary for VPN/private email.

Iโ€™m adding an another item to that list. Kagi. De-enshittified search results. My partner bought it, so itโ€™s a shared sub, but Iโ€™m sold on it. Itโ€™s like itโ€™s 2005 again, and thatโ€™s a good thing.

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bright_side_ 1 point 8 months ago

Also heard praise and got recommended personally to me.

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LucidNightmare 1 point 8 months ago

I tried it out one time because another user here, Tal, usually put it into their very well made comments, so I tried it out.

Yeah, I've been paying for it for almost two years(?) and I never have these difficulties any more. Very happy customer. :)

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dragon_gm 7 points 8 months ago

to use searx(ng) effectively you'll need to set up your own preferences, not the default

from the screenshot, the instance caches and shows results from bing only, ass.

it also use auto as default which will show personalized language results based on the instance's ip (although it's mainly yours), change that to all

you can do both just by changing and saving your preferences. for example here's mine

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Renat 3 points 8 months ago

I use Qwant search

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vividspecter 2 points 8 months ago

The language detection is a bit bugged currently. Set default language to "all" in the UI (or set in the config file).

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Etterra 1 point 8 months ago

I switched to Quant.

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Dezorian 2 points 8 months ago

Did that too, but I always make a typo and end up using Qwant. Works great though.

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Etterra 1 point 7 months ago

LOL good choice

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bridgeenjoyer 1 point 8 months ago

Use startpage or kagi or searxng

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blitzen 11 points 8 months ago

Iโ€™ve been genuinely happy with Kagi.

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Jack_Burton 5 points 8 months ago
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Dave 5 points 8 months ago

I love that you can rewrite URLs. Reddit seems to block old.reddit.com from being indexed, but I have a URL rewrite in Kagi so you can site: reddit.com (or use a Reddit lense) then when you click links it goes to old.reddit.com

Literally the only case I use this but it's the example Kagi uses so it was probably made specifically for this purpose.

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bilb 2 points 8 months ago

I wasn't aware of that feature, thanks.

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rain_worl 1 point 7 months ago

that is searx, searxng is pretty much the same

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Zerush -4 points 8 months ago

Searching "piefed" with Andisearch, it's for me the only acceptable AI (Andi GitHub)

Its Summary

PieFed is a Reddit-like link aggregator and community platform in the Fediverse that launched in 2025[^1]. Users can subscribe to communities, post links, vote, and comment, similar to Reddit but without corporate control[^3].

Key features include:

  • Full Mastodon integration for cross-posting and interactions
  • De-duplication that combines cross-posts and their comments in one place
  • Better moderation tools compared to alternatives like Lemmy
  • The ability to port communities between PieFed servers
  • Clean, simple codebase written primarily in Python

    According to users who have switched from Lemmy, PieFed offers improved user experience and solves many common complaints about other Reddit alternatives[^7]. The platform fully integrates with the broader Fediverse, allowing Mastodon users to participate in discussions by mentioning PieFed communities in their posts[^3].

    The flagship instance is hosted at piefed.social, with the project's code maintained on Codeberg[^3][^5].

[^3]: PieFed - Join the Fediverse [^5]: pyfedi - Codeberg [^7]: Lemmy vs PieFed - Lemmy.ca

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floquant 1 point 8 months ago
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rain_worl 0 points 7 months ago

oh come on!

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