The Washington Post reported that activists are working with the White House on an executive order to declare a “national emergency” over America’s elections and pave the way for a power grab.
“Pro-Trump activists who say they are in coordination with the White House are circulating a 17-page draft executive order that claims China interfered in the 2020 election as a basis to declare a national emergency that would unlock extraordinary presidential power over voting,” reported the Post‘s Isaac Arnsdorf. “President Donald Trump has repeatedly previewed a plan to mandate voter ID and ban mail ballots in November’s midterm elections, and the activists expect their draft will figure into Trump’s promised executive order on the issue.”
Peter Ticktin, a MAGA activist in favor of the executive order, told the Post that “we have a situation where the president is aware that there are foreign interests that are interfering in our election processes,” and that “the president has to be able to deal with it,” including by banning mail-in ballots and certain voting machines.
Because "emergencies" are the Wild cards given to the Executive Branch by Congress and SCOTUS. There's no clear definition and no boundaries until he's challenged in court or Congress overrules him.
And at this stage, Republican congresscritters voting for fair elections is as likely as turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.
Man he's really got this civil war speedrun record locked in.
The French didn't exactly speed run it themselves.
I'm currently listening to old episodes of the Revolutions podcast, and am midway through the French and it bares no resemblance to what's going on now. Which, when it gets to the reign of terror, might be a good thing... But that's the one part of it that I could see happening again.
A lot of the terror was fueled by a murderous little shit with a bootleg newspaper. There's a reason why lible and slander laws are so powerful in that part of Europe.
Yeah, took like 50 years.
The administration bears no resembelence to the french revolution, more to when the rich back a dictator to ptotect them from reform and that dictator ends up cannibalizing them, like with Sulla in rome a generation before caesar. Or obviously hitler.
He's so old though, the succession will decide it, if they can hold onto it and fix elections for the new guy, with dems being the opposition I don't see what would stop them either, certainly not newsome.
Along with a systematic elimination of the nobility and upper levels of the clergy, it was a post-revolutionary faction fight between the middle class (for example, provincial lawyers like Robespierre before he became a pamphleteer) and the working class.
The 1789 revolutionaries didn't really have much of a plan to govern in the unlikely event of victory, so they started improvising, and that didn't go well. It also didn't help that the leaders of every other country in western Europe wanted them dead.
The American revolution, on the other hand, was bourgeois-led, with minimal involvement by working people, and they learned a lot from their initial failed attempt at governance, the Continental Congress, so by the time they wrote the Constitution, they had at least some idea of what would work and what wouldn't.
No clipping and straight to the end, please.
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I’d be fine with a BLJ into the guillotine.
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Saw a nice sign in a nearby town: "They want 1939 but they'll get 1789."
At least some people are starting to get it.
Can we stop with this? This is a ridiculous fantasy that just makes you look immature.
It's too boring for American audiences. Now, woodchippers on the other hand...
Or maybe it's time to revive the method used to rid the world of Manius Aquillius: molten gold forced down the throat.
Without the war, and the civility.
Without the war
says you
Even if it were true that China stole the election, how is "something happened 6 years ago" an emergency? He won in 2024, so it can't be that effective anymore.
might even be held accountable for his crimes.
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Ughh.... I hate that the thought of aliens coming directly to my house, handing me a winning lotto ticket, while they simultaneously get struck by lightning twice in a row and get bitten by a shark seems 1000000x more likely to happen than for Trump to ever face consequences for his actions.
If anyone even started that process "judge" Aileen Cannon would jump from the top rope and bodyslam the case shut with a "Trump is immune because I say so" ruling like she's been doing this entire time.
:(
So just as a bit of hopium. Bitch Cannon could be impeached by congress, if it's a bad enough wipeout for the Republicans in the midterms I could see some of them turning on Trump and cutting his little network up to make themselves look better. Assuming they don't decide to go scorched earth and impeach, convict, and execute Trump.
Though more likely they'll lose the Senate and it gridlocks. Which would still fuck over Trump since then he would basically be locked from passing any laws.
Not that he's passing many laws now. The 119th congress has been the least productive congress maybe ever. Most of the shit he's doing is just illegally pretending he has the authority to do the shit, then waiting until someone proves he can't.
might even be held accountable for his crimes.
Yeah, I'm sure Democrats will get right on that and not just bleat out platitudes about healing and moving on.
Democrats are not the only potential source of accountability.
He will just never get over the fact that he lost in 2020. And he's willing to make all of America suffer for his butthurt.
He cheated in 16, he cheated in '20 and still lost. Him being a man who has never competed fairly in his life assumed the Dems cheated harder. Turns out the high number of mail in ballots threw off his scheme and he lost. The time to declare a national emergency over voting was in 2016 after he won. The silent majority doesn't exist. The polls are accurate. He's a fucking loser who aligned himself with adversaries to steal democracy and fuck this country supremely and make the wealth divide even worse. The fact that the Dems went along with him winning in '24 and didn't contest it at all despite the statistical anomalies in swing states is just fucking unbelievable. This ass clown is supposed to be in a cell, but he's the fucking president because Joe and Kamala were fucking spineless. Trump did not win all 7 swing states, and once they nationalize voting, it will be forever rigged, and in Trump's own words, "you'll never have to vote again".
Yeah the guy who cheats against kids in golf is not playing a clean game in a national election. Mean the dude lies like a sidewalk and aome people wonder why he doesn't do what he promised. Cause he's a fucking con man, grifter. He's the guy they'd tar and feather back in the day if he stuck around long enough.
The fact that the Dems went along with him winning in '24 and didn’t contest it at all despite the statistical anomalies in swing states is just fucking unbelievable.
THANK YOU. I was starting to think I was the only one still incandescent with rage over this.
And none of that actually gives him any power to do anything like that.
He is not the States.
Counting down until he's lying in state.
Counting down until he's buried at a crossroads with a stake through his heart.
He's probably going to wait until closer to November so the courts won't have time to respond.
That's the thing though - there are no courts to be involved here. Every state runs their own elections. There's nothing he can do other than send federal law enforcement to essentially be poll watchers in every single voting location.
The red states can continue their bullshittery. I don't see any blue states allowing that.
The billionaire owned media is normalizing this on purpose.
This is absolutely the most important thing to keep in mind here.
Remember, this is a memo being circulated by Trump supporters. It's actual legal basis likely sits somewhere around "political fan-fiction."
The same thing happened in 2020. Trump supporters invented completely nonsensical legal justifications for how Trump could sieze power. None of them held water.
Can Trump just ignore the law and declare shit anyway? Sure. Self-coup is always an option in any democracy. But he is deeply unpopular; I don't really see that working out for him, although the process of it not working out certainly might be a very violent one.
Trump tried to self-coup in 2020, and the result absolutely fizzled. It was violent, and messy, and innocent people died, but in the grand scheme of attempted insurrections it was pretty fucking pathetic. He's got a cult of personality, but he's never actually done the work to build the kind of organized support he'd need for something like that.
I'm never going to tell Americans that the danger is over and everything is fine. There has probably never been a more dangerous time for American democracy. But don't mistake that danger for inevitability. While Trump is carving a path of destruction through your government, norms and institutions, he's also bleeding power every single day. You can win this.
ICE has 22,000 agents. They couldn't even sieze power in Minneapolis.
Again, I've been very clear; he has supporters. A coup would not be defeated easily or bloodlessly. But having support and having sufficient support are not the same thing.
They're emboldened. You're assuming they care and people play by the rules. This is all about breaking political norms.
Let's say, for example, Trump wrote an EO that said "State and Federal employees don't have to marry gay people if it's against their faith". Remember Kim Davis? A person who did that unprompted by the POTUS. There's plenty of asshats like her in important county positions around the country.
Given the success of recent Democratic elections, sometimes swinging districts by 20 points in previous Trump districts for the win...all it takes is some people in some key places to do some nefarious shit.
Yes, and they're all carried out by his own employees within the executive. If they didn't do the thing, he fires them. They may get their jobs back eventually from the courts, but he has very real power over them until then.
Executive orders have zero power over people who can't be fired by him. He's got exactly as much power to dictate the jobs of state employees as he has over how I do my own job.
The Chinese government hates the US and, if they interfered successfully, would have done so to get Trump into office, since that would cause the most damage.
The flood of troll farm misinformation and lies by both China and Russia as well as right wing ownership of MSM all aided in trump’s rise. Yeah, our shitty electoral college that is DEI for mostly empty States handed trump the win.
Both can be true at the same time. The extreme corruption of both parties because both are beholden to oligarchs are causing frustration, which is being amplified by troll farms.
Plenty of people voted for them. You just outed yourself. The only reason Trump is in is because 50% of Americans would not support a woman in office. I mean, who would want a moody, vindictive asshole leading with their emotions rather than their brain?! Right...
Sounds about right, there are a lot of pro-trump anti-democrat content circulating in WeChat...
Seems like they are trying to discourage diasporas from voting for democrats
Night of the long knives in 3...2..
That only happened when it was clear to him that he wasn't going to win.
I sort of wonder if Trump has that foresight.
It could be argued that even Hitler lacked the foresight until that last hour when it was discovered his armies were not coming to his rescue.
so it's been leaked that they're "working on" an executive order to declare a national emergency?? for the midterms????? you don't have to "work on" declaring an emergency!??!?! it either IS an emergency or it ISN'T.
Dear heaven to think how dumb they think everyone is
wait, everyone might actually BE that dumb
To me "working on it" implies there are things in motion to manufacture that sense of emergence...
There's a lot of evidence to shoddily fabricate.
You would think... but to the government, "emergency" is just a marketing phrase.
you don't have to "work on" declaring an emergency
Hey boss, I'm going to be ill a week on Friday.
Sitouts still think they did the right thing in 2024. Theres the answer for you.
I'm sat here in Europe watching Trump and his sycophants systematically dismantle American democracy and I'm honestly shocked that they're being allowed to do it.
I'm assuming it's the end if he's allowed to nullify the midterms as he intends, the final remaining shred of democracy will be well and truly gone.
What a sad way to see the "Land of the free" fall.
Fun fact: if you're shocked, that means your model of the world is incorrect. Luckily, you can learn and switch your world-interpreting paradigm to one that works better.
Historical materialism predicts this pretty well. I haven't been surprised by the US since I became an anarchocommunist.
Yeah, we'll see IF he does this AND it stands IF people will let it happen. I'm not sure that they (we) will. But it could. But I've had so little hope since 2016, and it just got worse in 2024. Still fighting as best as I can, and hoping others will.
Where are these people who can deal with it?
Please, show some evidence that they actually exist. I don't need names and addresses, thats just opening them up as targets.
Do they exist? Because all I've seen is a lot of bitching and whining and declaring that no-one is good enough to do that.
The bar is not high. The members of the squad, who are some of the most popular members of congress in the country; Ro Khanna, who's trying to bring a war powers resolution to the floor that would check Trump's plan to attack Iran but is actively being undermined by Schumer and Jeffries because they want war with Iran. Bernie Sanders, the most popular senator in the country... You could literally draw Democrat names out of a hat and chances are they'd be better than Schumer and Jeffries.
Both sides are the same so we should just not vote and let Trump win.
-Leftists
Yep, any criticism of the weak zionist leadership that suppressed the 2024 autopsy which confirmed that their zionism is an albatross on the party and is actively undermining the Khanna/Massie war powers resolution because they want Trump to start a war with Iran is definitely a call to abandon democrats and let republicans win, not a call to replace the incompetent leadership with people who would crush the Republicans easily with an actual populist platform.
Leftists lose elections so consistently and have so few voters and so few candidates that they can’t even exist as a party. They need the democrats to even exist because the majority of voters are on the right or center of the political spectrum.
Leftist claiming they can win elections is like a fat sports fan criticizing the athlete that actually plays the game and has the ability to win.
Leftist have never won any where near as many elections as democrats.
Leftists didn't lose twice to an actual soup-for-brains man baby. Times have changed and people aren't happy with the status quo anymore. AOC and Bernie Sanders poll the highest in each house of congress and we haven't run one for president since FDR.
Then why has every Democratic president that has won for the last 40 years run on progressive policy and any time they don't they lose to a Republican?
Literally Trump spouts leftist rhetoric in his recognition that the system is broken which appeals to his base. Just the people with money in the room whisper in his ear to not do anything cause its how they make their money.
"Leftists" might not have won near as much but progressive policy sure has. We aren't winning saying everything is good right now minus Trump
stupid people tend to be happier bc they dont use their little brains to worry or even think about anything beyond their day to day. civil rights erasure? who cares as long as burger hot and beer cold.
The only thing holding a lot of Americans back from violence is the knowledge that that's exactly the excuse the regime wants to declare martial law and suspend elections. If they just jump to suspending fair elections anyway, then there will be nothing to stop the gloves from coming off. The billionaires and Congress creatures better run for their bunkers. Anybody that the people perceive as having a hand in getting us to this point, either through direct action or failure to react, won't be safe.
The only thing holding a lot of Americans back from violence is the knowledge that that's exactly the excuse the regime wants to declare martial law and suspend elections.
The only things holding Americans back from violence are relatively abundant food, entertainment and comfort. All of which will still continue to exist once free elections are gone. Plus what they replace them with will be branded super duper free elections, and that will be enough for a lot of people.
There is little to no evidence that the 1/3rd of eligible voters who didn't vote in Nov 2024 are any more engaged with what is happening than they were back then.
All they have to do is orchestrate this coup in a somewhat intelligent way that doesn't immediately collapse the economy and they can absolutely pull it off.
Most Americans are not going to fight for abstract rights when their immediate tangible needs are being met.
“…duas tantum res anxius optat, panem et circenses.”
And even if it does it will be a Trump Crony Judge that just goes... yeah sure, be a dictator buddy!
This does concern me frankly. Hopefully its all just his usual limpdick saber rattling. The problem is, if something like this does happen, at this point I don't trust anybody to stop it. Democrats are too busy playing theater and bending the knee to their corporate overlords to oppose anything Trump does at this point past their usual finger wagging and "almost maybe going to send a sternly worded letter at some point" responses. And if the Supreme Court doesn't give him the nod to do this he can just, you know, ignore them. Not like he's faced consequences for that the past... ever.
they succeeded in 2024, with the help elon and the voting machines, DNC is pretty much complicit.
Pretending that Trump didn't win the election is how you fail to ensure you win the next one, and doom the rest of the world to another MAGA administration.
The fact that Americans are STILL talking like there will be a real election to win is partly why we're in this situation.
I swear y'all could be sent in chains to the remotest corner of Alaska in a prison camp and you'll still be saying 'man people are mad, he's gonna lose the next election for sure!'
This wont be voted away. It wont be protested away. Its going to have to be fought and it will be unpleasant.
there was a discussion on a sub, about how AMERICANS dont care as long as you dangle something shiny infront them, EV cars, relatively high paying jobs, vacations, and for the right CULTURE wars, and they ignore all the stealing, backstabbing, complicity, that the gop and old guard DNC does behind thier back. thats why the "protests" if you want to call it that (from what im seeing)is very ineffective as far as making "someone scared" they arnt, one side is doing, and smaller segment is actually protesting while its largely ignored by the voters. if a group is willing to riot/fight back, of course you can say it will only encourage DUMP to escalate, the elites wont see a threat at all.
one of the big mistakes is having the "ELECTED dnc out here" giving passivity and not to act further, like how walz is trying to avoid confrontation at all cost, and now is seen as a total joke, likely being directed by AIPAC. there is a reason why only 1 side is protesting, because the GOP is only targeting heavy blue areas, as USual.
NEWSOMe isnt the saviour the moderate dnc wishes he to be, i thinks hes much more to the right than even biden. DNC/gop systematically trying to discredit ZOhRAN pretty much showed thier true colors.
if something like this does happen, at this point I don’t trust anybody to stop it.
I'm arming myself. Hope everyone else is.
we held elections during a literal civil war. What "emergency" could trump that with all our modern life improvements and.... checks notes. No civil war in America...
What "emergency" could trump that with
He has no trouble pulling random excuses out of his ass.
And on the rare occasion the courts eventually tell him to stop, he will have been doing whatever he wants for months and moths before he is told to stop.
The Constitution is extremely clear that elections are the responsibility of the states, and we just saw the Supreme Court back the Constitution against him.
He tried to use the "Emergency" excuse to justify his tariffs, and SCOTUS didn't buy it. They aren't going to buy this emergency either.
The Supreme Court should not be trusted.
If we’re both putting forth theories then what’s incorrect about assuming the Supreme Court went against him on tariffs so it would seem “fair” when they back him on stealing elections?
After all, they’ve done this exact scenario before.
How bleak that we have to trust a court that constantly operates in bad faith to save democracy from the guy that hired too many of them.
Cautiously optimistic nodding to your conclusion
Which proves that he only has three rubber stamps, when he thought he had six.
This was just the first of several direct attacks on clear Constitutional concepts, which he thought he would brute force his way through with bought-and-paid-for operatives on SCOTUS, and it failed badly. That does not bode well for future Constitutional challenges like Birthright Citizenship, State control of Elections, or his future challenge to term limits.
As much as I want to believe that, it could also go the other way. They only needed to convince two others to sign on to full on fascism and it would have been a 5-4 in favour of trump.
Next time, the three that think the constitution is to be ignored, might be able to convince two more to side with them.
They probably will rule that the "emergency" is unconstitutional, but consider how long Trump got away with unconstitutional tariffs before SCOTUS tossed them out, and how long he would need to get away with fucking with election rules to get the election results he wants.
The election issue is a ticking clock, tariffs weren't. That makes it top priority for quick action by the courts, emergency injunctions, etc.
His MO has been to use "emergency" as a power grab even when nothing gives him any powers over these issues even if he claims an emergency.
Fuck you, you fucking orange turd. If everything is an emergency, then nothing is.
His MO has been to use “emergency” as a power grab
Just like every other shithead dictator. It's well past time to go sic semper tyrannis on him.
Well that's because the courts avoid defining what an emergency is in every single case. No court is ultimately willing to limit his power. Even the last tariff case was shot down because the law he used didn't have language about tariffs in them, not because it wasn't an emergency.
Same as 'think of the (insert impoverished group du jour)...!'
"They say evil wins when good people do nothing. I disagree, it should just be 'evil wins'."
So I'm of the opinion that it should be as costly a victory for the bastards as possible.
There won't be a civil war and the people have already lost. There.
Surely more protests will work this time.
By Wikipedias count there are presently 51 on-going national emergencies in USA, 19 of them have been declared by Trump.
The oldest still active one was made by Carter in 1979, it's a sanction on Iran.
Are we in the greatest American period ever, as claimed during his long-ass speech to the union, or are we in a national emergency? It can't be both.
we have a situation where the president is aware that there are foreign interests that are interfering in our election processes
Of course he is, he benefitted from it. America ain't coming back until the people take it back, and that's gonna be done the hard way.
If he starts the civil war by ending our vote, do we get to start hitting Ice agents with our cars?
Also make sure to be going 40 or over or they get back up.
Or just don’t forget to backup yourself
if this happens it’s over They are limiting who can give passports, some states are cancelling driver licenses of certain groups… they will choose who can vote or not
Doesn't there actually have to be a "National Emergency" before he can just "declare" one? I seem to remember the South Korean president tried something similar there. Wouldn't it be great if the consequences were the same?
Doesn't there actually have to be a "National Emergency" before he can just "declare" one?
Yes, but here's the problem. Both the courts and Congress in their truly finite and limited wisdom have decided that only the president can determine what is an emergency.
Ironically, if he is successful, it would be a national emergency.
You're the first Republican President since the civil rights act passed to have negative approval among white voters.
You won the popular vote because for the first time in memory, high propensity voters are going for the Democrats and low propensity voters went for Republicans.
Whatever you're planning won't be enough.
Bold move in a nation with more guns than people.
I'm not against a Gaddafi or Mussolini ending at all.
Getting control of one of the main oppositions to Russian power in the hands of one of the dumbest, weakest, most narcissistic people ever? He's probably preparing the celebratory champagne enemas and hookers as we speak.
Pretty much, and the original report was by the Wapo
If America is overhauled or replaced, I would like the new Constitution to have rules about emergency powers. Namely, the president has a 10 day grace period for Congress to accept the emergency. If they don't acknowledge it, the president and vice president is either executed or imprisoned, the latter method requiring a vote from Congress. Citizens may freely carry out the execution or arrest after 20 days, if Congress fails to implement their decision.
Seems better than what we do now. The second you try to commit a coup to stay in power, that should be the end of your political career.
When he steals our democracy and outlaws all other political parties...I bet Schumer, Jeffries, Collins, and the useless lot will all be seriously concerned.
They're probably all sitting cross legged getting their strongly worded letter constructed.
... Is it too late to become Canadian?
But his opponent was a woman. Of color. And she said the things that he outright did his first term. And the voters didnt care because they thought itd be a landslide. Again.
anything to distract from the "distraction esptein files" and to stop it from getting released any furhter.
Good fucking God I can't wait to wake up one day and have the best news delivered to me. Multiple news sources letting me know all fucking day about this great news. It'll be a great great day.
As an outsider I can only hope that
a) Trump would never do something that benefits others
and
b) That Trump is that unpopular, that he would lose a third term
and
c) Americans become a more french when being unhappy with the ruling party
I've always preferred "Never underestimate the DNC's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."
Probably should've done it before shit talking the supreme court. I have little faith in them to act in a timely manner, but who knows?
The only emergency I see are the browned pants of the orange hittler…
The flailing around and constant changing of plans is probably just theater. Whatever else happens, they will always flood the zone with shit. Whatever the plan is, the news is only a vague indicator of it.
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Hell yes! Barnaby Jones!
The idea that this ends with Trumps death is no different than leaning on the hope that someone else who isn’t you is going to stop any of this.
Yes, he looks terrible. Yes, it’s entirely possible we wake up tomorrow to news that he died in bed.
But consider what happens next. Peter Theil assumes the presidency through Vance. And Theil hates democracy.
Kill him now!
What will the US military with their oath to protect the US Constitution?
The only way the US military would ever -MAYBE - intervene is if Trump openly and unambiguously violated a direct order from the Supreme Court. If SCOTUS directly prohibited Trump from seizing control of elections, and Trump just ordered the military to intervene, that might be enough to make them refuse orders.
But that's unlikely to happen. First, SCOTUS will likely just slow walk this until after the election, refusing to rule on it while also not allowing any injunctions. Three months after the election they rule against it.
Or, even if SCOTUS does strike it down, Trump can rely on ambiguity. The court strikes this one down? Three weeks before the election, Trump issues a new executive order. This does much the same thing as the one the court struck down, but it's based on a completely different legal authority. The military then no longer has a clear unambiguous ruling from the court on how to act.
The only way the military might refuse to follow orders is if Trump openly and clearly violates a direct SCOTUS ruling. And Trump can simply engineer things so that such a clear unambiguous case never happens. It's one thing for a group of soldiers to cite a direct court ruling in their refusal to follow orders. It's another for some 19 year olds to decide the constitutionality of a presidential action by themselves and refuse to intervene.
Trump is the national emergency we need ceda An emergency funds to deal with him
He’ll be aged out by midterms.
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