Or as I do:

1. Watch videos of Cyberpunk
2. Think of buying it
3. Realize I still haven’t finished Mass Effect
4. Never actually buy Cyberpunk.

Currently I’m thinking of Baldur’s gate 3, but you know… I’ll probably get around to it in a few years.

Same, not enough space?

It is almost always due to the anticheat programs.

rt

You almost have to go out of your way to make a game incompatible with linux. Considering wine/proton and their various forks cover the vast majority of things at this point.

Even with ACs, the two most used ones completely support Linux. One is completely out of the box, maybe even as far as linux support being opt out. The other requires you to contact its developers to enable compatibility their end iirc.

I don't agree. There are cases with Windows only root kits for DRM, but there are also games that don't work because of bugs. You see games coming out that barely work on Windows.

Yeah, there's this very obscure match-3 game I wanted to play because of nostalgia. The series peaked with 3 and 4 (and those are the ones we played on the family computer circa 2015) and worked perfectly on Windows. Now 3 works perfectly (in terms of compatibility) but 4 was better (in terms of gameplay). 4 is marked as borked, last I checked. For anyone wondering, it's The Treasures of Montezuma series.

Modern (post DS2) From Software games tend to run flawlessly on Linux. They are one of the greatest developers now. No bullshit, just greatness all around.

I heard a lot of BG3, although I dont have any doubt that it is a great game, I dont think it suits my taste. Battlebit tho, I'll check that otu.

What are your specs? I'm trying to see if BG3 min reqs are a little bit over estimated

This comment sounds like chatgpt

Isn't it still true that a Nvidia card is better for gaming with Linux than AMD or Intel?

Agreed. It’s just so sad to me that GOG to this day does not seem to understand their target audience. Seems to me that people who value DRM-free Games overlap vastly with the group of Linux users and still GOG Galaxy is not available on Linux. I would absolutely love GOG Galaxy natively on Linux with Proton integration. Sure we can run it with Lutris etc. but this has been asked from GOG for years. I tried buying everything on GOG instead of Steam until that point where that whole Proton and Steam Deck integration happened. Now I buy everything on steam, just for convenience. I would love to buy everything from GOG but there are just to many hoops to jump through.

@Hairyblue @Uluganda yeah I care less about a Linux native game than a game that has DRM and anti cheat that works with proton. I’ve found that all the games I play on Linux that run on proton run so well on X11 (haven’t gone to Wayland yet).

If there is one, I tend to use the native Linux version when I can, just to do my miniscule part to encourage devs to support native Linux, though on one or two games I have noticed bugs in the native Linux version that were fixed in the Windows/Proton version. That said, I am still quite thankful and impressed with how well Proton works for anything I use it with.

Yeah I announce it in my steam gamer tag.

The fact that it even supports vulkan, and BattleEye has a Linux version, they just don't use it

There are tons of reasons my dude. You can still have platform-dependant technologies in your game even if the base engine itself supports linux.

Yes, they do. There is more than just the engine at play on compatibility. The main reason is actually usually the anti cheat.

I love you Richard Steaman

No, it is actually GNU/Linux+Steam 😒🤓

(Please don't take this comment seriously, it's a joke)

heil the almighty proton compatibility layer

Cries in pipeline hacks for DirectX. Didn't Space Engineers do this?

Well, the thing is that developers need to go out of their way to intentionally break Linux support. The community does 99% of the work in most cases. Launchers, along with anti-cheat are the most egregious.

Anti-cheat I can semi-understand, the developer has to do some work, but popular anti-cheats support Linux no problem.

Launchers, however are 100% useless other than Steam itself, I wish Valve would ban third-party launchers. I wouldn't be surprised though if some publishers would pull their games from Steam if Valve outright banned them.

@Rooty @Uluganda you mean apart from the extra work it takes for devs to give support to the platform, a platform where they will get less than 1% of sales.

saying "theres no excuse" is just delusional

Most of the time indie games actually do run on Linux, it's the games from big studios that don't (in my experience)

Most off-the-shelf game engines these days have been well tested with Proton.

Luckily most of the small inde games always support Linux. Most of those devs don't have a need or time to go out of their way to botch the support.

True. But small developers should support community owned things, as they are on their side. It's not profitable in spreadsheet, but healthy for whole ecosystem.

Remember Windows creators are the ones having a dream for everything being on XBox and Microsoft Store.

Who is "they"? Not all game companies can afford to support multiple platforms. You're not entitled for developers to support your preferred platform nor does it make sense yo give a negative review unless they lied in the product description.

I'm all for Linux but IMO it's not quite ready for general public yet. Even distros like Mint are buggy and requires multiple restart every day. I would install it on my dad's computer, but it's not stable enough yet. But I think it's a question of a few years, maybe months before it's there.

EDIT: since people are asking, here are a few bugs that I encounterd over the last week or so. I'm a audio/multimedia worker so obviously I push my computers farther then average user. Still, I'm happy to know many people have manage to get it stable

• 2 days ago, Ssomething went wrong with cinnamon. At first all the dektop would not appears when waking up from sleep. Had to restart every time or disable sleep. At some point, even restart would bring me a window saying Cinnamon session could not be loaded. I had to reinstall it from Grub. I dont see average users being able to do that. *It's actually not fixed, sleep will mess up Cinnamon.

• yesterday, I tried to get my DAW (Reaper) to work with one of my audio interfaces. Drivers would not work correctly, sound was glitching. I messed up with pulse audio for 2 hours but never got it to work.

• this morning, te infamous NVIDIA driver wouldn't let me turn off the mirror mode (I have a projector connected to the computer), I had to reboot.

• This morning also, I discoverd that Timeshift now only launch from the terminal.

• Over the past week, I had to completly reinstall mint, because I installed and uninstalled some audio extension and it messed up the OS. Since then many apps that use to ne there dont show up in the software manager, updating the repo doesn't work, so I had to manually install using terminal.

• I've been fighting to get Da vinci resolve to work, tho it's supposed to work natively. Took me around 4-5 hours overall.

I ACTUALLY LOVE LINUX. Indual boot it on my main PC an even installed it on my old 2015 MacBook. I think windows is garbage and full of bloatware, I hate apple but consider macOS a pretty good OS, but I think both are more stable for your average user.

I sincerely wish I could install Mint on my dad's computer but I'm pretty sure he would me need my help at least twice a week . I dont see him or your average user playing with the terminal to install a basic app. I know it's getting closer, but IMO it's not there yet.

Unfortunately for him, the game devs are the problem

I had the same with Genshin Impact; it refuses to install on Linux due to “cheating rootkits”, it even refuses to install on a Windows 11 VM in VirtualBox!
How does it do that‽

Don't cross the streams

Not really the case anymore because of proton, game devs develop for Windows and proton and then it'll run on anything that can run proton, Linux, android, Mac or otherwise in the future

From what I hear thanks to proton it's incredibly easy to develop for Linux, as long as you don't use one of the anticheats that doesn't support it or intentionally prevent it from running in proton you're fine

Linux game devs should be targeting the Steam Linux Runtime which provides a stable environment.

You could bundle your specific versions of libraries. And link it statically. Like most games do anyways.

I had some issues running the native version of Prey 2006 because of that

it's in constant flux where systems and libraries come, change and go constantly.

Same applies to every non-deprecated OS.

CD? What's that grampa?

Same thing with Post Scriptum, even though the devs other game, Squad, works perfectly fine with proton...

Ny friend, if you play Paladins, you have much bigger problems than EAC

I'm pretty sure it's rather simple for the developer to enable EAC for Linux. (https://www.protondb.com/...)

I've noticed a lot more games that I can play now with EAC. I don't know why some devs are dragging their feet on this.

Weird. stray ran great on my deck out of the box via proton. Glad you got to play it though!

Time to flip it around. Windows is a cancer.

Funnily enough, Ballmer backtracked on his "Linux is a cancer" when he saw Satya Nadella (current M$ CEO), make M$ (and its shareholders, which includes Ballmer), a lot of money off Linux through Cloud, or more specifically, Azure.

Yeah as long as proton works fine I'd rather use that over a buggy port. Usually works better for the devs too since they can target one API and binary and just debug whatever makes proton poop itself afterwards.

RAM is the cheapest upgrade possible, unless you're trying to run a game on 8GB in 2023 idk why you'd be that concerned with RAM usage.

Meh swap is pretty crazy, I am squeezing modded Minecraft in 4gb ram on win10, it takes about 10 minutes to load, but by the time the first few chunks are rendered I think most pages are swapped to disk, letting java take almost the full 4 gigs. Don't ask why I'm doing this, exactly 😅

I believe this was fixed in the latest Proton Experimental. It's working for both Titanfall 2 and Sims 4

surprisingly on some slightly older games (tf2, HL2) I get a huge FPS boost in Linux compared to windows

Oh, I remember watching video on youtube on that topic. Short answer: because opensource. Long answer: because developers better understood how to optimize. Same optimizations slightly boosted FPS on windows.

I don't even know what proton is

Valve games run natively on Linux, so no need in proton.

I'm not completely sure about it, but I believe both TF2 and HL2 are native ports that Valve did themselves. Could be the reason.

Proton is basically Wine bundled with other software, like DXVK and VKD3D, to run windows games.

You have to enable it in the Configuration window inside of Steam if you haven't done that yet. Enabling it is all you have to do and it will be used automatically.

Steam version of BG2 EE worked flawlessly for me. It's been discounted down to like 3€ a few times

Previous Baldur's Gate games came out on old ass consoles, you can play it emulated without a hitch. I know I definitely played BG2 on Dolphin

I don't know some of my favorite projects are open source engine recreations like OpenMW and re3 for example. If they don't get shut down by the owner of the IP some of them can be in development for years

That's silly and dumb on top, because games rapidly lose value. The $60 game you buy today (and don't play) costs $40 in a year. And will be in a $12 Humble Bundle with 9 other games in 3-5 years tops.

I already get enough games in bundles that I don't play, when I actually buy a game (even on sale) I only do it if I want to play it immediately. Otherwise in the future it will be cheaper anyway and have plenty of updates on top (if it didn't get abandoned).

How often does that happen though? Usually these games get a couple updates early on to fix major bugs, and once it’s stable it’s never touched again.

On the Mac side it’s been a real sad story because so many old 32bit and/or x86 games simply can’t run anymore.

Personally I prefer to get a refund with the explicit reason "Game wont run on proton" It gives clear quantifiable feedback to valve and the developer that they lost this money because it wouldnt run on linux.

Or at least I would if that had happened recently. Last time a game wouldnt run for me was ace combat 7.

Not everyone has fast and reliable internet connection

Personally, if Wine/Proton is officially supported I am fine to pay. If they don't support native Linux or official Wine/Proton support then I pass. I really don't care what tools/libraries they use as long as the result is supported and the game runs well.

ProtonDB recently told me civ 3 didn’t work or had major issues. Here I am playing flawlessly.

And also not always accurate 💩 soo no, still the game's fault

I used to just check WineHQ and if it has Gold or above, you can definitely make it run

I don't remember exactly who, but there was one game developer who was all praises for that 1%. The Linux users were the most prolific testers who sent back detailed bug reports with ways to recreate the bug, logs and often core dumps even. That 1% helped the devs, as well as the other 99%.

Market share and earnings are not everything. We understand why game developers could not want to port their stuff, but the point is not to blame operating system that has nothing to do with it and focus trying to convience developers to support user-friendly systems at least out of principle even if it is not the most revenue generating decition.

Is it really that much detached from macOS though? They can dist to Mac then Linux shouldn't be much different, right?

Huh? Have you touched a GNOME-based distro recently? It's easier to install and use than Windows 11

> Goes to linux community

> Tells user to install windows

:/

Why? He is happy with his operational system. He do not need to pay 100 bucks for a questionable OS . Linux had overcome MacOs as number of users on steam. It is his right to complain. Go sell in windows store if you want be windows exclusive.