I agree

Most people are emotional and when challenged find it easier to justify their position rather than consider that they are wrong. So yeah, people will argue shit just to argue it.

Reddit had a lot of problems. Some of them were caused by having people as admins. Some were caused by having people as mods. Some were caused by having people as users.

Lemmy also has people as admins, mods, and users, so it will see many of the same problems.

Though Lemmy won't necessarily turn into Reddit because it's designed to have competition among the admins, so they are less likely to get a sense of "they don't have a choice even if they don't like what we're doing".

A circlejerk community where facts are thrown out the window. Doesnt matter where its hosted, social media just going to keep doing what its doing.

I’ve def seen it both ways, lots of this person/this thing is bad types of threads on here with tons of people agreeing while spewing out pure nonsense

Like this https://lemmy.world/comment/3213143

I think Elon is a fuckwit but come on use some common sense it’s nowhere near treason this person has legitimately no clue what they are talking about and it’s upvoted to shit

On the other hand I’ve commented about stuff on here and if I had said the same things on Reddit I would have gotten downvotes, comments deleted or banned, and instead the comments were upvoted instead.

Idgaf about upvotes or downvotes it’s just interesting to see what the majority of people think is reasonable and that’s the way they show it.

Cars bad. Upvotes plz!

But the problem is, words mean things. A lot of people unfortunately, put the wrong words down - and they think internally that it makes sense, but there is context missing in the words they put down. I've had entire conversations that went on for days, only for me to be 20 threads deep, and the person say "I mentioned that!!", and I ask for them to show me where...only for them to realize they've been angry this whole time over something they assumed I was ignoring or misrepresenting. Turns out, they just simply internalized whatever it was, and didn't write it.

I don't know if I'm supposed to upvote you because I like your comment or downvote you for being right.

Excellent point. The initial intent of my squabble wasn't trying to deny that counter-examples exist, just that when comparing 100 houses to 100 apartments, that there seemed to be losses in living space for the apartment (law of averages and whatnot).

I had made another comment on that /c/FuckCars thread that calculated that if all of the homes had 1-car garages (which is not uncommon for a lot of dense low-density suburbs), then the homes would be 1740 SqFt with the garage / 1500 SqFt Livable, and the apartments would be 1009 SqFt livable. So a 33% loss of livable space in the image with what I would consider a reasonable assumption.

unless you don’t consider steel frame buildings and pole sheds, but why wouldn’t you?

You do not, in fact, count those buildings towards your houses square footage. Doing so would open yourself up to all sorts of liability.

Covered, enclosed porches can only be included if heated and using the same system as the rest of the house. Garages, pool houses, guest houses, or any rooms that require you to leave the finished area of the main house to gain access are not counted in the square footage of a house. source

The only common situations in which the exact size of a home may be legally important would be:

1. For tax appraisal purposes
2. For qualifying for a certain mortgage or home equity loan
3. If a buyer has already bought, or at least has signed a contract on a home, and now claims that fraud was committed because the home is not as large as advertised. source

For further considerations of those that are interested (ANSI Draft, figure 1, page 6, outside source as the real ansi website is just atrocious to navigate and I'm not gonna dox myself by loading up local code.)

As shown, the upper-level plan has an open foyer and a protruding window that does not extend to the floor; neither area contributes to the square footage of the upper level. The calculated finished square footage of the entry level does not include the protruding fireplace, covered patio, garage, or unfinished laundry. The finished area of the basement is counted toward the below- grade finished square footage in its entirety, including the area under the stairs that descend from the entry level. The area of the unfinished utility room is calculated by using the method prescribed in the standard but is not included in the below-grade finished square footage.

All that aside, you're slapping a 25'x52' shed onto your 1/4 acre property? That's almost 20% of your land use not including lot encroachment setback, drainage, and basic driveway/building infrastructure. It's your property so definitely do as you wish, but to think this is a common practice or a desirable thing outside of niche hobbyists or being used for work related activities/storage is nonsense. Neighborhood flooding, no natural green spaces for habitats, it all sounds like a horrible dystopia on your mini-compound.

Wow, what an awe-inspiring counter-example, lol

Am I not supposed to like that? Cause I really like that house design. Garage for days.

Even there the house is a bit too large for me. That carage is nice though

Holy mother of a workshop

Still beats the space and maintenance needs of a horse and buggy.

Wouldn’t it be more environmentally friendly to store your cars outside and not have a garage?

My garage is huge compared to my house. It has 2 cars, a laundry, and all of the stuff I don’t use every day.

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You get all the stuff into the same size house

Sounds like the problem is all the stuff.

We are in that bucket and in this stupid country there aren't many smaller cars anymore. We're looking for a decent EV that is small and would fit in our garage. I think we have like, 2 options. Everything out there is some crossover SUV bullshit. I don't want a giant car, I just want something smaller and comfortable for 2 people.

I've had the "You don't work in X do you?" or the "tell me you don't know about X without telling me you don't work in X". Oh boy my fucking bachelors and masters and years of experience in the field say otherwise FFS!

But then I remember most people are stupid and it doesn’t both me too much.

Great mantra to live by.

r/ELI5 was terrible for this

AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.

They aren't designed to control your mind but to make money. The mind thing is a side effect.

People are people. People like to feel good about themselves. Vanity is still the Devil's favourite sin.

I see that a lot too. This is the art of rhetoric, politics. Not facts. Voting is a human thing. You have to appeal to the human.

Exactly, who cares about the arrows. Sometimes I vote, sometimes I don't. Sometimes my finger slips and I hit the wrong arrow anyway. I don't bother to change it so I take my place as an arbiter of chaos.

There is a ferry to the island on which you can take your car to the mainland ;)

Nassau, the capital of the Bahamas, is roughly shaped like an American football a bit under 20 miles long and 6 miles wide at the widest.

Not Just Bikes did a video a while back about how car dependant it is. Car dependency is unfortunately often self-reinforcing because car infrastructure is ugly and dangerous for people who aren't in cars, which pushes more people into cars.

I mean, I'm not going to ask you to doxx yourself, but I'm extremely curious to know where you're seeing these homes that are, as you describe them, like 150 SqFt of livable area (10x10 studio + 5x8 bathroom) with an attached 3 car garage.

Edit: And to clarify, the 1500 was pulled out of an anecdotal average. My observations while shopping for homes here in the US have been; 2 bed / 1 bath, could be as small as 800 SqFt, but it's cramped. Whereas in middle-class suburbia, it's not uncommon to see 2500+ SqFt homes.

This has the issue of always assuming a household will always live in the most space efficient way possible (2 adults in 1 bedroom with no children or others).

Assume you need 2 bedrooms (2 adults and 1 child): A 800-1,000 sq ft home in the USA is somewhere close to the 10th percentile in terms of size, so going down to ≤750 sq ft puts you near the absolute smallest 2 bedroom houses available.

Depends where you live; large garages can be normal. Obviously not 60% of the space, but garages can seriously help protect vehicles and you from the elements. They're great if you have severe winters, frequent rain, strong sunshine, and are now helpful for electric car charging.

I've followed the FuckCars community for a while (started on reddit). Being one of them car fuckers myself I would disagree. There certainly are people there whose thought process doesn't go much further than car = bad, but boiling the whole community down to that does a disservice to their more important points. I think most people there aren't so much advocating for less cars as much as they are advocating for policy and societal change toward a world where we aren't so reliant on cars. Obviously for a massive chunk of the world population (especially in North America) cars are a necessity like you said, but do they need to be? Wouldn't we all be better off if the world was less car dependent? We aren't saying that there should be no more cars, just that we shouldn't continue to design our cities in such a way that you need a car to live.

If you are interested in more about where the fuckcars comunity is coming from I would recommend checking out the youtube channel Not Just Bikes. All of his videos are great but I think this one is a good intro to the channel. I also like this one because it outlines a lot of the specific "first step" type things that could be much better (most applicable to north america). Also, his Strong Towns Video Series is really good if you have the time.

(here are a couple more because I can't help myself: Why it sucks to grow up in car-centric cities, How American cities are ponzie schemes, and His video about Stroads)

As a European, its funny watching these guys talk about "Europe" as this pure implementation of their motorphobic utopia.

A lot of us still drive daily yanks!

Weird how it's literally impossible to ever live without something no one had 100 years ago

Some of them are raging right now at the idea that not everyone who hates cars wants to live in an apartment.

Its like liberals screaming when they findout you can be a liberal and a gun owner.

Or conservatives when you express socialistic rights while also limiting government.

I don't think they live in the same reality I do, or maybe they've never seen Texas? Even if my local area was designed for foot traffic, the amount of space between literally everything here would make it impossible not to rely on a car.

In DFW you can sum about any trip to somewhere you want to be to a 30 minute drive. Favorite restaurant that isn't literally right next to you? 30 minutes or an hour without tolls. Work? That's another 30 minutes. Wanna go to a store nicer than a Walmart? You guessed it. 30 minutes.

Get home from work around 4:30? We'll now you have a cool 5 hours of time until bed time. Subtract an hour of the gym, an hour of cooking and maybe you've got 3 hours of time to do anything else. Waiting for public transportation or wasting time walking would just cut down even more of the hours in your day. Maybe I want more out of life than sacrificing my time to public transportation and walking.

It is from a discussion about land use for suburban houses vs high-rise.

I, for one, welcome quality posts

How exactly is doing the math unhealthy? This is like 60 seconds of math and a few minutes of graphics at most.

I'd rather have someone doing the math and posting it than people becoming misinformed on an important political topic. I think that's what OP was after.

Unhealthy to prove your point by doing the math and helping convince people with an illustration? That's just good practice on critical thinking. Maybe you need to go take a stroll around the block.

That's exactly what came to my mind

Ive never seen any calls to bulldoze anything. We do a lot of complaining about how much was bulldozed to fill landscapes with stroads and parking lots. And dont act like we're not calling for buses and trains as well. Have you stopped and thought about why it's too hot to walk around now?

"We should allow higher density and missing middle housing to be built and promote alternatives to cars" == "We want to bulldoze everything"?

They throw out all nuance and have absolutely no empathy or consideration that others need to live differently than them. Or hell, need to live differently than them in order to support their own lifestyle. I swear 90% of them have never lived outside the city they were born in.

And no, no one wants to be walking around when its 90+ degrees out

That's why they want shade, goober.

You sound like such a baby.

Yeah, they're pretty much ACAB now but cars instead of cops.

EDIT: Before anyone even says it. Bad cops suck. Cars do not suck. Big lifted trucks are ass. I wish I could make a 4 wheeler street legal.