This is why I hate math ;-;
If shoelaces always come untied and headphone wires always get tangled, why don't they make shoelaces out of headphone wires and headphone wires out of shoelaces?
5 months ago by someone to c/showerthoughts
FiskFisk33 23 points 5 months ago
this is why I love it!
sylver_dragon 9 points 5 months ago
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masterspace 7 points 5 months ago
The danger of an over simplified model.
Blue_Morpho 5 points 5 months ago
If it was just infinite ways for shoelaces to improperly knot then headphones would also not properly knot and easily untangle by pulling one end. But that doesn't happen.
The difference is from the physics of lengths of string/wire and the shoelaces are under tension while headphone wires aren't.
FiskFisk33 4 points 5 months ago
shoelaces can be a tangled mess yet not properly knotted
AHemlocksLie 3 points 5 months ago
Shoelaces have a "proper" knot while headphones do not. If we were tying our shoes into the abominations I pull out of my pocket, maybe that'd play out differently.
Blue_Morpho 2 points 5 months ago
I wouldn't care as much if shoelaces tangled themselves into a knot that took extra work to untie.
I have some laces that I double tie and they still untie themselves.
Iconoclast 40 points 5 months ago
Most people only think that they know how to tie their shoes but they're doing the so-called "granny knot" which is why it unties itself.
It could also just be a lack of imagination too:
DamienGramatacus 2 points 5 months ago
I was thinking of this when I saw the post. I only properly understood the granny knot recently and since changing how I tie my laces, they very rarely untie now. That Ian chap showed a particular knot that he claimed never comes undone and I can attest to that.
funkless_eck 1 point 5 months ago
I do the "Secure Ian Knot" (loop, second loop, cross them over, right goes towards you, through the hole away from you, left goes away from you, back through the hole towards you - pull)
Super easy to learn, and never looked back.
Iconoclast 2 points 5 months ago
But zipties can withstand being showered with sparks from angle grinder.
Iconoclast 2 points 5 months ago
I've been heavily considering investing in the Knipex micro flush cut side cutters but 30 euros is a heavy investment for someone with zipties for shoelaces.
SolacefromSilence 19 points 5 months ago
Holy shit, they've solved it!
Onomatopoeia 8 points 5 months ago
And a real shower thought!
Battle_Masker 13 points 5 months ago
Have you tried putting your shoe laces in your pocket? That'll keep em tied
unexposedhazard 13 points 5 months ago
They do make headphone cables like that. Its those fabric sleeved, slightly stiff ones. Those dont get tangled.
unexposedhazard 4 points 5 months ago
Yeah that happens if there is no section at the end that decouples vibrations in the cable from the earpiece.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 5 months ago
Short?
toofpic 12 points 5 months ago
All my life, I was tying the knot "wrong side up", so it was untying. I was checking out a videonon how to tie high boots the easiest way, and the problem was mentioned. Now nothing ever happens to them.
It's hard to explain in details, so here's a quick check if your shoes are untying themselves. When you start tying, you hold two loops in your hands and cross them, putting one above the other, right? Well, this time, put them the other way around (left on right if it was right on left), and finish the same way you always did it.
You will immediately feel that the knot is not slipping. This is because you also do the first simple knot in a certain way, and first and the main knot has to be different relative to each other
Hjalamanger 7 points 5 months ago
It's the difference between a square knot and a calf knot. Here they are (without the extra loops, they just allow for easy untying)
lime 4 points 5 months ago
i managed the opposite. had no problem tying my shoes, then watched a video because i wasn't sure i was doing it like everyone else, and that made me lose the ability to tie my shoes for a few years. had to sit down and really think through the steps to get it back.
StillAlive 7 points 5 months ago
Skill issue
observes_depths 6 points 5 months ago
For those who can't be bothered looking up the difference between a double-slipped granny knot and a double-slipped reef knot, tie the first and second knots with different ends of the string on top (eg. right over left, then left over right). If you do it right it will hold, no need for a double knot.
As for earphones (does anyone even use those anymore?) push them into a small pouch, start from one end and work your way along, pull them out the same way (it's quicker than it sounds).
Onomatopoeia -3 points 5 months ago
Who bothers with wired headphones these days?
Individual_Orchid 5 points 5 months ago
My corded headphone batteries never die
agent_nycto 3 points 5 months ago
Cheaper, no battery to charge, harder to lose... Not sure why people bother with wireless
Ioughttamow 1 point 5 months ago
For working out or casual listening with chores, yeah cordless for sure, but otherwise corded all day, ALL DAY
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 5 months ago
Or a monkey knot. Those you can leave tied for a year and turn your shoes into slip ons
Robotunicorn 5 points 5 months ago
Some Michigan State students made untie resistant shoelaces!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 5 months ago
At least they tell us right up front they went on shark tank so we know to buy other laces
boobs_ 5 points 5 months ago
One of my shoelaces has stayed for 2 or so years now, the other comes apart every few weeks. It's pretty annoying cause I feel like I'm tying it well enough and I haven't been able to find anything that might be forcefully pulling it apart. But hey maybe I got it right this last time and it'll stick for 2 years
Wolf314159 4 points 5 months ago
It's never to late to relearn a suboptimal skill you thought you knew. I believe I found this site several decades after being taught the standard shoe lace knot and a child. That one ALWAYS needed a second knot to keep my laces tied. Now I tie either the two loop knot "bunny ears" or Ian's Secure Shoelace knot. Both are balanced so the knots always stays tied and both can be pulled apart and undone with a simple tug at both free ends of the shoelace. Haven't tied my laces the way my parents taught me ever since.
MutantTailThing 3 points 5 months ago
#TeamVelcro
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homes 2 points 5 months ago
They tried that, and during the early 2000s, teenagers were hanging themselves with iPod headphone wires. That’s why Apple invented Bluetooth— so people like you could torture everyone else with existentialism
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Entropy always increases.
There's one way for a cable to be untangled, and an incalculable amount of ways for it to be tangled. When letting it randomly change state it is very improbable for it to randomly end up in the untangled state.
Same for shoelaces, there is but a few ways for the shoes to be properly knot, and a comparatively essentially infinite ways for them not to be.
I know it's a joke, but I find this perspective fascinating.
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