British Charlie Kirk wannabe beaten up debating people in Manchester
3 days ago by G4Z to c/unitedkingdom
For some, a bullet, for others, a knife in the kidney beans, for yet more, grenades in a ditch, from each according to their ability.
Ha! Keeping the trash out of your streets
I had no idea who Young Bob was until a video of him in the front lines of the rioting in Southampton and then being interviewed by Owen Jones in Makerfield. He's certainly not a British Charlie Kirk: has zero charisma, couldn't understand Jones' (pretty basic) questions and struggled to articulate coherent answers. Jones had to continuously repeat and simplify his questioning and even then Young Bob couldn't comprehend. He's the big, loud-mouthed rightwinger who sits in Year 11 classes who won't stop giving his racist and misogynist views and everyone hates.
It doesn't matter. If you get over a certain threshold of views and interactions it's like starting a fire, it spreads on its own. The right jump right on it, they love this shit, and more and more people get radicalized because it gets in their feed and since everything is black and white and about outrage and culture war shit you get people on your side simply because if you're not on "the other side" you're by definition on their side, or so it's framed.
And yeah, I believe at some point violence is the answer.
I'd rather fight obese chavs now than having to storm Normandy in 20 years.
Was that a reply to me? I'm 100% in agreement with you. At some point it will come down to force.
Benebolent?
That's because he didn't go to debate, he went to shit stir and play the victim when confronted. Slap it up ye. Ballbag.
okay which one of you was this. i need to pay you for the beans
That's the neat part it's free
The bottle isn't
Just ask your local Amazon driver for theirs.
you haven't been maintaining your super soaker 50 for the last 30 years?
The whole thing is so weird.
So here I am just minding my own business and this little skid mark turns up, so I just throw the can of beans that I carry with me at all times at him.
Also if somebody was hit in the head buy a can of beans they'd be dead. That's a lot of weight.
so like, did someone open the can of beans first and then throw the beans?
I was all out of whoopass
And just like Charlie Kirk I'd never heard of him until he got beaten up. If the media would just stop talking about these idiots they wouldn't be famous they'd just be random Twitter racists and we could all ignore them. But now the little dweeb has got a following.
They get the following from social media and far right fraternity, not from media coverage.
Yeah I mean
What I saw that day was a group of migrant lads being egged on by left-wing agitators
They couldn't have cemented his beliefs more, this is perfect for him
Like left wing progressives being beaten up by police this is the goal of attention seekers and they handed it to him on a silver platter
Under a banner that read ‘Reform should be more radical’, he argued that subjects of the British Empire shouldn’t necessarily be welcome in the UK.
As a crowd gathered behind him, he said: ‘All of you who throw water are cowards. You don’t actually want to fight for what you believe in.’
. . . That was when he was kicked to the floor before his phone was smashed and his camera and banner were stolen.
. . . Eventually, a Black man he had been debating with steps in to protect him.
. . . Moffitt also hinted that he would return to the same spot for further debates on ‘remigration’ – the forced return of migrants and their descendants – but next time would bring a ‘team of lads’ for security.
You missed the best quote from this little piss stain. "One responded: ‘I’ll fight you, b****’, before telling Moffitt to get a job. He said he had one, but was fired from McDonald’s for his political views."
One small correction in that they don't stop being losers
Having worked in McDonald's I can guarantee that he was actually fired for been lazy and difficult to work with. If you just do the job and don't mount off you can have whatever political view you want.
The idiot, even after working in the hospitality sector, does not realise that this whole sector depends on the immigrants, among others. He is probably the kind of idiot that goes to a curry house after an anti-immigrant march.
Takes a special level of suicidal to go to a city with a location called The Curry Mile and say British subjects shouldn't be welcome.
subjects of the British Empire
He's gonna lose his shit when he finds out about Suez.
There are still subjects knocking around. Indians and Irish born before 1949, for instance. There are 17,000, of which 15,000 have right of abode in Britain.
There's a reason the Kirk-types always do this on college campuses with campus security looking over their shoulder and not fucking Manchester lmao
Bell end. For those not from our beloved Manchester, this is a traditional "tough love" term of endowment for someone, who, despite the multitude failures of their logic, debate weaknesses, lack of corroborative evidence will persevere nonetheless.
If he returns, let's promise 20 quid for the first person to de-bag him. For those not familiar with Manchester phraseology, this is a raconte driven loss of your trousers.
If we can find five people who at school with this chap, queued to copy this gentleman's homework, I will desist from further mockery. Until such time, he remains on the open season list for candid ridicule of his arguments
Nah mate, let's pick him up, dump him in a canal, and then pelt him with bits of broken brick as he tries to swim and climb out whilst calling him an absolute melt.
A turd in a brown paper bag makes a good shit grenade.
He looks like a caricature of a British person.
I love that for Manchester.
We do things differently here.
‘If I were… ever able to have the opportunity to speak to Erika [Kirk], I would firstly give huge admiration towards her husband on the formula and ideas that I [drew] great inspiration from’.
He can save his breath, she's utterly ecstatic that her husband is dead.
So is OP...
They quoted the shit stain saying the cops told him he was high profile.
The quote is Moffat telling the media that he says the police said that it's high profile. I highly doubt they did because it doesn't really make sense.
It can't be a high profile attack because no one knows who he is. Anyone who went to where he went, and said the things he said, would have got punched, his celebrity or lack thereof is it irrelevant.
And OP choose to highlight that without context
No they didn't, that's the byline from the source. OP hasn't added anything to the body.
Moffitt also hinted that he would return to the same spot for further debates on ‘remigration’ – the forced return of migrants and their descendants – but next time would bring a ‘team of lads’ for security.
He said: ‘This is England. I do not want to become a demographically replaced hellhole. What I saw that day was a group of migrant lads being egged on by left-wing agitators.’
Oh, buddy, you just don't get it.
He said: ‘This is England. I do not want to become a demographically replaced hellhole. What I saw that day was a group of migrant lads being egged on by left-wing agitators.’
" … and then I would cum in my pants cause I was led to all this hate by a corridor of online voices telling me that it was everyone else's fault that I can't talk to girls like a regular person." [he didn't really say that part, your slander laws are stupid UK]
Though I am anti-violence, I found this delightful. Fascists getting what fascists deserve. Sorry, "lads."
This is the way.
Probably realised he's struck gold, attention seekers love attention and hate being ignored, this couldn't have gone better for him
The class war dynamics are causing infinitely more harm than any perceived cultural wars this guy is hoping to cash in on the anxiety over. I'm not saying you don't have a point in terms of receptiveness to the rhetoric in this period of widespread economic disparity, even if it is based in manipulation and hatred. I do think he's not ONLY going to get approval from the people inclined to blame everything on the other rather than the new nobility, and there will be plenty of bad attention in the form of counter messaging as I think we've observed after Belfast.
Just to be clear, throwing a pie chart at me doesn't validate anything he says, what ever your personal belief is in this discussion, all populations by nation have gotten more diverse everywhere due to globalization, and largely this has only improved conditions for the most humans, even the ones that can't see their own privilege and access because they're blinded by zero sum gain thinking. Not to downplay the areas of suffering and neglect which are numerous and severe, but this era is actually more stable and better for more people globally than ever in human history, which of course is why the ultra rich can't help but filch what they perceive as excess for themselves to satisfy their hoarding disorders at our expense.
You might be convinced this grifting oaf will hit the peaks of Kirkdom, and I'd say you're being hysterical if that's what you believe, and that people get numb to these tactics and manipulations the more they're exposed to them. That combined with increasing awareness of the oligarchy's psychotic extraction and its impact on our daily lives from free access to information tells me that the grift that kept on giving since Gamergate birthed it is out of time.
Not sure what your goal was with this reply, to make me anxious perhaps? projecting your own uncertainty? Possibly revelling in the potential of his sentiments growing among the aggreived? I hate to disappoint but I think in any case I'm not feeling it, and I'm not getting swept up in the delusion. Tax reforms above all else, there is more than enough wealth being secreted away from governments by shockingly few people to solve social crises and dispel race madness. I'd remind you that white is not a skin colour or race, it's a class, and that anger is a very motivating emotion, but is much better spent elsewhere if your actual goal is improving the quality of life for ANY demographic rather than just spreading harm.
people get numb to these tactics and manipulations the more they’re exposed to them
You’d think so but the UK is about to elect nigel farrage and need you need reminding who got voted in a second time and currently runs America
We also have a similar clown here in Australia at the moment who will likely be in opposition come the next election
and how could I forget as little as 2 weeks ago
This guy is in his prime and has a key target audience in mind that keeps getting bigger, expect more of him not less
Ironically all the people here cheering this violence on are just fanning the flames
I already mentioned Belfast, I'm well aware of what happened. How's the fallout from that been in the media and public sentiment anyway, genuinely asking. Do the upset white boys feel better burning homes and busses and improving exactly nothing?
I'm not saying Farage won't get into power, I am saying that if he does it won't be because of this whiney dimwitted charlie derp twat from the internets, it will be because of capital backers and his willingness to betray his country to their interests. Just like tRump has done in the US, he would sell it for parts and move somewhere else with the wealth they share with him for the favour. I am still not sure what your stance is on the overarching debate here as you didn't clairfy that, but if you think this is a desired outcome I hope you're ready for the shock when you realize while they brutalize and punish the browns for making the UK more culturally rich and prosperous your life will continue to worsen and people you don't want caught up in the dragnet will be victimized too, just like with ICE in the US. Thankfully this is far from a certainty even if tabloids and biased media want you the fear it.
I remain unconvinced by this wannabe grifter dipshit, and I'm starting to feel like you're doing free PR for him by overplaying this menace. Either way, we'll have to disagree here, I lived through the entirety of Kirk's growth arc and this kid ain't it.
That dude is so never getting any.
You clearly do not understand these right wing conservatives fucks.
I mean look at Erika Kirk who seems to be completely okay with her shitbag husband. Her actions paint her as every bit the supporter and champion of these held beliefs that her husband and her shared
He got a well-deserved debeating.
Did he turn to the left at the end?
Is this the second time?
I don't mind conservatives. They're not the cists and phones they get thrown around
I don't like these types any more than most sane people do, but I'm not really a fan of stooping to their level, either.
The anti‐Semite fascist has chosen hate because hate is a faith; at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the rights of the Jew others appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for a moment to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse...
...Never believe that anti‐ Semites fascists are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites fascists have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
- Jean-Paul Sartre
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Fascists don't care about words or reasoning. They spread hate, discrimination, and lies and when challenged spout more lies to justify it. Even if presented with cold hard, unrefutable, facts.
When words, debate, and diplomacy can no longer prevent the calls to violence, the bigotry, the intolerance, then there is but one option; to speak the language they do understand.
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
They're using that age old rhetorical device of children of asking "why" forever regardless of the answer just to annoy their parents.
In this case they are adults and if someone can't answer their questions the way they want then they're right by default. And they believe they are great minds in the process.
But it's back to the arguement about the paradox of tolerance. If you don't beat these people they'll keep doing it. Given that they're calling for the lives of others to be destroyed inaction is not really an option.
Someone's going to suffer either way, might as well be the little skid mark that's causing the problem to begin with.
So I would love to know what your proposed solution is.
The "paradox of tolerance" implies that you need constitutional guarantees against threats to democracy, not that you can go around beating people up for being anti-immigrant loudmouth prick.
We have legal prohibitions against hate speech and incitement that have been arrived at democratically: deciding that they don't go far enough so you're going to take matters into your own hands is not just violent and lawless but supremely arrogant.
It also plays into the fascists' desire for violence. It's wrong morally, legally and practically.
All of this is true, and this guy is still a shitstain who ought to shut up.
We have legal prohibitions against hate speech and incitement that have been arrived at democratically: deciding that they don't go far enough so you're going to take matters into your own hands is not just violent and lawless but supremely arrogant.
Your naivety is profound. The law is defined by the victors who subsequently imbue in law, the rights and privileges they fought for with violence. But that happens after the fact. The Nazis were not defeated because we went "no you can't do that, look at this law here", they were defeated by shooting them with bullets until they gave up. In Germany it's illegal to be a Nazi, and yet they're coming back, so clearly the law itself is not enough, it must be enforced by someone.
Labour are clearly not going to do it, so what do you recommend?
It also plays into the fascists' desire for violence.
Actually this is incorrect. They are the ones that like to be violent but they absolutely cannot take it. If they knew they would get attacked every time they stuck their heads up above the parapet, we wouldn't hear from them any more. They want it all their own way, they want to be able to attack people and set fire to buildings with impunity, they cannot tolerate even the most mild of pushbacks. In this guy's case I suspect we won't hear as much from him. Yes he's got his footage of being attacked, which I'm sure he'll whine him out online for a while, but I also suspect that he won't be pulling stunts like that again.
It's wrong morally, legally and practically.
Morality is your own judgement it's not an absolute that you can point to, so this comment is meaningless. It's definitely illegal, I'm not sure if that makes a difference though since the law isn't being enforced so what the law says is also meaningless. Practically I think I've explained why it's actually worked, the skid mark has been scared off. I know he's threatened to come back with a bunch of lads but I doubt he will. They're still going to be far more of us than there is of them.
I missed the part where all the Nazis did was debate people. I thought they also did some worse things, which maybe the principles I outlined above would permit. Maybe they did some things which are already illegal under UK law.
They are the ones that like to be violent but they absolutely cannot take it.
The communists tried street violence in nazi Germany and the Nazis absolutely did take it. Why are Farage, Lowe and the rest of them all so rabid about the prospect of civil war?
Naivety = / = morality. Get out of here with that bullshit.
No liberal lefty cunt is gonna tell me punching Nazis ain't the way If you wanna hold hands and sing go do it over there while the big boys play OK
- Bob Vylan
Anyone who is advocating for "remigration" is advocating for the use of violence to remove racial minorities.
If you are a pacifist and you don't believe in violence in any circumstance, then fine. But if ever there is a time to use violence in defence of ourselves and the vulnerable in our society, I believe it's now, before the state is captured by fascists. I think that if we had another Battle of Cable Street instead of a counter-protest at the next few "Unite the Kingdom" rallies (or whatever they call them these days) then we'd sort this shit out real fast.
They didn't stoop to his level, he's a racist, fascist piece of shit. I'd say they were patient and kind, all things considered.
Yeah waiting it out and seeing them realize the error of their ways through slow social isolation has definitely happened and there definitely aren't any ramifications to letting themselves simply spew their hate speech out into the world.
Nothing bad ever happened to us when we stayed out of the mud, except for, you know, fucking everything, you asshat.
The next time someone you love is murdered and/or harassed because the murderer/harasser was inspired by a Charlie Kirk wannabe, remember to be the "bigger person" and don't stoop to their level. 🖕🏽
I think there’s a tiny subsection of humanity where it’s unfortunately easier to explain things with a closed fist than an open mouth. “Strength” is the only language they understand - so how else can we communicate?
I don’t advocate violence but I see it like presents - it’s better to give then receive.
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Anyone who aspires to be like Charlie Kirk should enjoy the exact same ending as Charlie Kirk.
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