Half of House Dems vote to end US aid to Israel

a month ago by Deep to c/politics

A slim majority of voting Democrats defied leader Jeffries, backing failed Massie amendment to cut $3.3 billion

Canconda 178 points a month ago

The other half better lose their next primary.

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JeeBaiChow 13 points a month ago

Judging from 2024, the angry voters will do ABSOULTELY NOTHING, while hoping the ship will kinda, sorta, right itself-ish.

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Viking_Hippie 18 points a month ago

Judging from 2024, the angry voters unpopular Dems will do ABSOULTELY NOTHING

Fixed it for you.

Also, more recent events such as Mamdani and candidates he endorsed beating "Centrist" (actually right wing to far right) establishment Dems who had the backing of the entire DNC machine would indicate that the angry voters ARE doing something.

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Serinus 3 points a month ago

That's not what he wants though. He has... alternative motivations.

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Phantaloons 1 point a month ago

You can't leave it there, man. Give it some air for those of us in the back.

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PP_BOY_ 122 points a month ago

If you still feel like you need to provide "aid" to a country with a higher QoL than yours, higher ranking healthcare and education than yours, better-equipped social services than yours, and higher GDP per capita, you are a sad, brainwashed, controlled paypiggy.

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Not_mikey 17 points a month ago

Israel has lower gdp per capita ($60k PPP) then the US ($94k).

This is just to say they're providing that better qol despite having less money.

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Blibly 23 points a month ago

Because we are paying for it. Yet we don't have enough for our own people?!?

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chaogomu 9 points a month ago

It's also easy to boost the standard of living of some when you deny the rights of others.

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ByteJunk 3 points a month ago

America QoL is fucked not because they're paying for others, but because of inequality.

In the US, GDP per working person (or, how much money each worker generates) is well over $150k.

Wages are less than half that, on average.

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ScoffingLizard 4 points a month ago

They subsidize billionaires who then lobby against everyone else's interest to increase inequality.

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kreskin 5 points a month ago

does that GDP number include the billions we give them in aid? We give them far far far more than the 3.8 billion thats advertised. 3.8 billion directly plus another 12.5 billion in military aid just in 2024. And I imagine similar in 2025 but dont have the data. What could America have done with a spare ~17 billion? and thats not even counting the horrifyingly expensive missiles we expend to protect them, military operations in the region to benefit them, the wars we engage in at their whim that only serve their interests. When you factor in the wars we are probably a trillion dollars into supporting these genocidal chucklefucks.

https://www.cfr.org/...

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ByteJunk 6 points a month ago

Yes, Israel is playing build-a-Reich and America is paying for it.

However, that's not the reason why Americans are struggling - monstrous income inequality and zero social policies are the main ones.

Go out and vote out every incumbent bloodsucker out in primaries, like in the recent NY primaries.

Keep it up for 6 years, and it will cause a literal revolution in America.

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Viking_Hippie 4 points a month ago

What could America have done with a spare ~17 billion?

COULD have done a lot, WOULD probably just squander it on wars, tax breaks for billionaires, and subsidies for the companies of billionaires.

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ScoffingLizard 3 points a month ago

They have interest in the banks who own the fed. We pay more in intetest on our debt that we spend on defense. That's where it comes from. Plus all the other wealth. It's way bigger than you think.

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HazardousBanjo 10 points a month ago

Our politicians are bought and paid for by Israel. The US is being colonized by Israel.

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Iusedtobeanalien 3 points a month ago

Trump is donating millions to Europeam maga aligned groups, those millions are taxpayers dollars. Not in the same orbit but completely unacceptable.

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PP_BOY_ 2 points a month ago

Get rid of Israeli influence and Trump, MAGA, and the GOP as a whole goes away forever

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BeanGoblin 121 points a month ago

Half more to go.

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grue 67 points a month ago

Plus all of the Republicans.

(Yes, I know the fascist fucks are a lost cause and that's why they don't get mentioned, but we should still maintain the expectation anyway.)

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aaa999 14 points a month ago

nothing to apologize for, not mentioning republicans in these situations leads directly to .ml style dumbdumbitis

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Alexstarfire 50 points a month ago

Only half? Jesus.

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ilinamorato 36 points a month ago

Big improvement, unfortunately.

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thepig -14 points a month ago
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Seasm0ke 32 points a month ago

Fuck Israel but this groyper shit ain't it

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CubitOom 44 points a month ago

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aramis87 43 points a month ago path: 0 24789054, hotness: undefined, score: 43, children: 3
corbindallas 7 points a month ago

thank you

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nanometer1625 4 points a month ago

Jfc the USA government can't afford CSS?

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ILikeBoobies 5 points a month ago

That's bloat.

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BigMacHole 36 points a month ago

As a JEW I'm TERRIFIED now! I CANT believe Lawmakers think it's OK to NOT send our Tax Dollars to a Foreign Country I'll NEVER Visit so they can have things I'll NEVER Have while SABOTAGING the Iran Conflict by CONTINUALLY Shooting babies in the Face! I'm TERRIFIED!

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Iusedtobeanalien 4 points a month ago

AIPAC has bribed US politicians into compliance an act that is completely illegal in Israel

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nanometer1625 33 points a month ago

The tide is turning in our favor. No military aid to warmongers!

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daannii 33 points a month ago

I heard an interesting theory from a YouTube video creator who made political videos (can't recall who)

But the gist was this.

Democratic reps and congressmen take turns voting against the people's wishes. So that no single one has a long track record of going against the people. Just a handful of times.

With, of course, the majority vote being orchestrated behind the doors.

This is how so many of Trump's cabinet picks had Dems voting for them but a different Dem every time.

So no single Dem could be called out for "always voting with Republicans".

I think this woman who theorized this is on to something. Wish I could remember who it was. But yeah I think she's right. It's all orchestrated.

The Dems are intentionally losing bills and budgets that the people want.

They have been, and are currently, working with the "opposition". Because most of both sides are actually all working for Israel's goals And billionaire's goals.

Certainly Not ours.

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Lasherz12 18 points a month ago

I've heard this from a lot of leftist streamers and youtube creators as "rotating villain" theory. It's basically proven, as only when a majority is gained do congress people start flaking off of what should be an obvious win. Leiberman, Sinema, Cuellar, Fetterman, Manchin, etc.

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Serinus 4 points a month ago

Yes, those people were notoriously loyal otherwise...

Or maybe these same people all tend to come up on close votes and we don't pay attention to who voted for or against the housing reform bill that just passed because they didn't matter this time.

Either name a dem that voted against the housing reform bill or drop "rotating villain" as the always go-to theory.

It's a good thing to keep it mind, but it generally isn't applying in this political environment.

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daannii 3 points a month ago

"Rotating villain" is a fitting term.

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Isthisreddit 7 points a month ago

Same donors, same team

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BarneyPiccolo 5 points a month ago

Oh, yeah, that's an old strategy. If you've got a Dem Rep in a purple district, they can't vote for that Commie bill, or they'll lose their seat to a MAGA. There may be a few of them, so when it comes time for the vote, they let a few cross over, so they don't get slammed in the election for being too liberal.

But they should still pass their bill by a vote or two. When they are letting enough cross to sink a bill, or to vote for the other side? That's political party treason, and the party needs to explain themselves.

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Avicenna 3 points a month ago

Might be their strategy, doesn't matter for me. Democrats who even voted no once to Bernie's stop arms sails is clearly victims of lobbying and did so to preserve their positions. So they can't be trusted no matter how many times they vote yes to stop arms sales. This is the level at which people should held them accountable.

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Reygle 2 points a month ago

I don't know what youtuber you saw say that, but it sounds like something that the Drey Dossier might make a video about. Any chance it was them?

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daannii 2 points a month ago

It might have been. I believe I saw the video around when the Epstein votes were being done. I mostly remember the content and not the person. I remembered it was a youngish woman. But that's the limit of my recollection of the person.

But sounds like a few other people have noticed this trend. Another comment says it's called "rotating villain".

I remember when the Republicans were voting on releasing the Epstein files there were people saying that the Republicans were rotating people who voted yays and nays because a lot of Republicans citizens were also demanding the release of the files so they had to pretend to support it.

I think this is around when I saw the video that said Dems do something similar.

Sorry my memory isn't better. It's definitely been a while since I saw it.

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Reygle 2 points a month ago

Understandable. I hadn't heard this idea before today but I will admit, whether true or not it certainly makes incredible sense.

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alekwithak -2 points a month ago

You can see for yourself who voted for what. Or you can believe an 'influencer.'

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daannii 7 points a month ago

Wasn't an influencer and they had examples. It was someone who made YouTube videos about political content. Not all women making videos are "influencers".

I don't think it's far fetched to consider the corp Dems are using a playbook. They have a strategy. They don't just wing it.

Wasn't it revealed recently that booker was a guest to some Republican billionaires meeting at a hotel or something?

They are all in it together.

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alekwithak 1 point a month ago

Yes, anyone making a video on social media is an influencer, especially if they make content meant to influence. Political influencers are influencers. Influencers you agree with are influencers. Anyway I didn't realize Booker was all Dems. Was he a guest at a Republican billionaires meeting at a hotel or something? You can't take a half-beat to confirm before accusing? This is exactly what I'm talking about; Second or third hand conjecture used to demonize an entire party that encompasses three fourths of voters rather than doing the legwork of looking at readily available information. Now think, who does this behavior benefit? And it's not just you, this is all political discourse at the moment. It's no wonder foreign state actors spend millions under the table on American influencers to control narratives.
There are absolutely Dems who need to GTFO. We can look at their actual voting records, which are generally pretty consistent, to see who's controlled and who isn't. Anything less is counterproductive at best and the reason conservatives are actively dismantling are government and civic protections as we bicker over trivialities in actuality.

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Avicenna 3 points a month ago

Almost the entire party (ok 2/3s) did vote no to some of Bernie's stop arms sales to Israel motions. So I think it is ok to demonize them when majority of the party seems to be in there for their own interests.

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daannii 2 points a month ago

I guess your definition of influencer is different than mine. I think of influencers as a face selling products and lifestyle crap. Basically advertising.

But your definition expands to include pretty much anyone making any commentary on anything. Even local news reporters.

Here is the Booker incident I am referring to. https://www.wired.com/...

And I'm sure there are a handful of good Dems. I can think of a few. But like 80% of them are corrupt and need replaced.

If the majority were working for the people we wouldn't be in this shit show we are in now.

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thebasementcakes 31 points a month ago

Cue 6 op eds explaining how some Jewish person is vaguely scared because of this vote, meanwhile no op eds from the genocide victim families

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BigBoyShuanzee 26 points a month ago

Very nice to see. Israel is a terrorist state. But I'm sure Chuck Schumer vetoed it all.

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BarneyPiccolo 22 points a month ago

If the Senate flips in the Midterms, one of the first things they need to do is replace Schmuck as leader, then investigate him. He couldn't have done a worse job as Senate minority leader if he'd been paid, and they should make sure that wasn't the case.

He doesn't get to do the worst job of any minority leader in history, and just walk away with over $200 million in insider trading, and who knows what other corruption, without explaining himself. He needs to leave in humiliating fashion, explaining to America how he thought supporting Israel and Insider Trading was more important to him than getting health care for Americans, or even preserving the shitty system we had.

Ending the government shutdown last Fall, and surrendering our health care, just as the pressure was starting to work, was one of the worst government betrayals I've ever witnessed. How the MAGA comedy duo of Schmuck & Jeffries weren't forced to resign in humiliation is beyond me.

He needs to leave in public disgrace, that's what he's EARNED.

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impairedimperator 6 points a month ago

Idk about worst minority leader in history...Dennis Hastert did all of that, plus fucked kids.

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BarneyPiccolo 1 point a month ago

Hastert was as asshole and a pedophile, but he knew how to do his job.

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cmbabul 1 point a month ago

Schumer does know how to do his job, he just doesn’t want to because of either bribes, coercion, he’s Zionist, or some combination of the three!

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GoofSchmoofer 3 points a month ago

The insider trading thing got explained by Mike Johnson -

Since members of Congess only make 174,000 / year they need to insider trade stocks to make enough money...

Because being a politician isn't seen as a public duty anymore but a full time career

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SaltyAmerican 2 points a month ago

They will do nothing but maintain the status quo

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anarchy79 1 point a month ago

If they manage to flip the senate, I think literally nothing will be done anyway.

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SoloCritical 24 points a month ago

Jeffries is such a bitch.

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Treczoks 17 points a month ago

And the other half has still not understood or is up to the neck in AIPAC bribes.

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anarchy79 3 points a month ago

About 50% of the Dems being in the pocket of Israel sounds about right.

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givesomefucks 16 points a month ago

defied Jefferies

Bullshit

In a lengthy statement the day before the vote, Jeffries said that the amendment was “overly broad” because it would limit “funds for longstanding initiatives,” including refugee resettlement and peacebuilding, and that it would “restrict our country’s ability to confront Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations.”

Jeffries said he would not whip other members to vote against the amendment and acknowledged that urgent changes were needed to American policy toward Israel.

He didn't think it was pro-Israel enough, but wouldn't organize Dem votes against it.

Don't let neoliberals pretend to be progressive

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axus 0 points a month ago

Party members voting independently with their brain, what a quaint concept. Stalin and Mao would have never let that slide.

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givesomefucks 1 point a month ago

They both had the single party cooperation the oligarchs have in modern America....

You get that right?

Stalin and Mao lied about being communists and had an oligarch class like we do right now?

Anyone that doesn't like those two, should be the most pissed off at our current polticial environment

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noxypaws 13 points a month ago

disgusted by my rep voting against.

Susan DelBene has ro go. Thankfully she's got a primary opponent who looks quite a lot better.

if you're in WA-01 district, pay attention: https://www.electhunter.com/#JOINME

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Arancello 12 points a month ago

that result tells us again, that Israel controls the usa. Its ok to fund genocide. your tax dollars at work.

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NoneOfUrBusiness -6 points a month ago

Thinking that Israel controls America is like thinking the knife controls the serial killer because he spends money on sharpening it.

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ScoffingLizard 3 points a month ago

That's incorrect. This has been going in for ages. The lobby and Moussad are powerful. Vote out every one who said no or present and charge them with treason.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 0 points a month ago

This has been going in for ages.

Yes, because America has America has had strategic interests (read: reasons to do imperialism) in the Middle East for ages.

The lobby and Moussad are powerful.

Yes, because they're allowed to be powerful. There's a reason no other country gets to manipulate American domestic politics this openly, not even longtime American allies in NATO. If money and a good intelligence agency were all you needed to control the strongest military power in the world everybody would be doing it. The fact of the matter American elites need a reliable thug in the region to do their dirty work for them and Israel does that job well enough that American elites feel the need to protect it from popular backlash. Compare how mainstream media talked/talks about Trump getting bribes from the Gulf States to how Israel's antics get reported on and you'll see what I mean; if Israel wasn't valuable to the people running the show they'd have tossed it overboard a long time ago.

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 25 days ago

That assumes you traced the money and power correctly. In any case, the current situation is terrible for everyone but those making money from it.

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TryingToBeGood 11 points a month ago

yeah, seems like Israel can do just fine without my our tax dollars.

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anarchy79 1 point a month ago

Can they though? See, I don't think that they can! Therein lies the whole conundrum.

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corbindallas 6 points a month ago

random complaint

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 243 (Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

this page is fucking terrible, why the fuck cant they just make this page well? tables, shit fonts, fuck this technical team

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ripcord 1 point a month ago

I don't even know what page that is. I don't see it at this link and 2/3 of the others are twitter links, and that's way worse

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HootinNHollerin 6 points a month ago

3/4 of Congress are traitors

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BarnWolf 5 points a month ago

Only half.

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Steve 4 points a month ago

Weak

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OwOarchist 4 points a month ago

That's approximately 50% more of them than I expected, so that's nice.

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Kowowow 4 points a month ago

Those are rookie numbers

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anarchy79 1 point a month ago

1000012500

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Poppa_Mo 1 point a month ago

It's all performative bullshit. Gotta look like we're being listened to. We're not.

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