At Long Last, Americans Are Starting to See the Truth About the GOP
3 days ago by spaghettiwestern to c/politics
It was heartening to see a couple of polls come out recently showing that, for the first time in a long time, Americans trust the Democrats more than the Republicans on the economy. It’s insane that this can come as a surprise, and that these two parties are even running as close to one another as they are is absurd. Trusting the Republicans more on the economy at this point is like trusting Sean Combs to be your babysitter.
For decades now, the Republican Party has built its electoral success on myths and lies. Ronald Reagan was the last Republican president who your average person would say left the country better off than he found it. I wouldn’t say that, for a range of ideological reasons, but I’m a liberal. I’m ready to admit, however, that your average person would say that about him.
But that’s a long, long time ago now. You have to be in your fifties at least to have any memory of it. But the last three Republican presidents—Bush, Bush, and Trump—have been disasters.
Surely this time they will stop electing them!
Greedy. Old. Pedophiles.
I'm skeptical. That ~33-36% of remaining hard right voters are so into the weeds with their emotional investment that I doubt they will ever reach a moral or pragmatic epiphany. They have proven time and again they will do Olympic-level mental gymnastics to avoid "their side" taking any blame. And no amount of heinous acts from their cult leaders will sway them.
But even if, by some miracle, a few % of them do wake the fuck up to reality, it's a sad statement that it took this much to do it. It will have taken the economy tanking, cost of living trauma, turning on our allies, idiotic tariff recriminations, a pointless war and the murders/losses therein, environmental catastrophe, the imprisonment or deportation of their own friends/loved ones, countless new sex scandals from their leaders, incessant dodging of existing leadership sex scandals (cough The Epstein Files! cough), children dying domestically in various tragic ways (school shootings, preventable diseases, etc), police/ICE brutality of innocent people, tainted food fiascos, etc etc etc... to open their eyes.
And the country (and world) in chaos is a fucking hard price to pay for a small proportion of loyal hardcore GOP voters finally smelling the roses.
They frequently drone on about the 'woke mind virus'. Yet again it's just projection. The real 'mind virus' is the one fucking up their heads, and by extension fucking up the world.
My parents have moved from defending Trump to saying "I don't want to talk about it". They still have some bullshit ill-defined excuses not to vote Democrat, though.
They don't yet understand that the word for Germans who didn't like Hitler but couldn't bring themselves to support the opposition was still " Nazi."
They frequently drone on about the ‘woke mind virus’. Yet again it’s just projection. The real ‘mind virus’ is the one fucking up their heads, and by extension fucking up the world.
They are great at projection because they blathered on and on about conservatives being canceled. Canceled, where? And I have yet to see any good example of any of them being actually canceled.
Meanwhile, they actively seek to not only "cancel" everyone they don't like via the power of the government (see: Colbert for instance), but also fire them, imprison them, deport them, put them in camps, and even murder them on the streets.
This is taken down nearly perfectly in this video, by the way. Everyone should watch this, since David Brooks spreads this kind of stuff all the time.
The punditocracy's obsession with an imaginary woke "tyranny" is a perfect example of the decadence and moral vacuousness of the commentary class.
I'm convinced that they've met the edge of their biological intellect and asking anything more of them is akin to asking an ant to solve 2+2. Its just not going to happen.
I would not be surprised to find that a lot of people with various mental disorders vote conservative, too.
Dark triad traits, etc....not sure what traits tend to track along with being a RWA (right wing authoritarian), but it would not surprise me to find a bias toward being a Republican, since that is essentially their platform.
I think people with mental disorders are more likely to be victimized by Republicans. Republicans aren’t mentally ill, don’t let them off the hook, they’re motivated towards self-interest, and know exactly what they’re doing: being greedy assholes.
Let me guess, Trump’s support is still hovering between 35%-40% but took a .0000001% dip so the bots are churning out bullshit articles again?
Edit: yup. Why do hundreds of people keep upvoting this slop garbage?
it went from 36.8 to 36.2 and 40 articles appeared claiming his rating nosedived into oblivion.
Hey we gotta celebrate the small stuff sometimes. The trend is in the right direction. The speed is moving way too slow tho and this regime seems bound and determined to make as many people across the world suffer as possible while they drag out the term.
No they’re not
Every week Trump loses the entire party or the entire party fails, yet here we all sit in the same hellscape.
The issue has never been that they don't see the hatred and bigotry etc; it's that they do see it and fucking love it. A hefty chunk of our voters are just as evil as Agent Orange himself, they just don't have the power to act on it like he does.
Honestly, the crimson lining of a 2nd American Civil War is that we get to silo genuine Americans away from the Dogey, becoming two fundamentally different societies.
I simply do not wish to have Trumpkins as my neighbors, nor to ever consider them as "my" people ever again.
I'd say more are starting to realize the truth of the Democrats and that they're the paid opposition party.
Trump and the GOP are not getting paid tremendous amounts of money? Democrats might not be the best alternative but it’s the only one. And right now everything is better than the GoP.
Hah! Reagon is directly responsible for the homeless problem in our country. He removed restrictions on wall street and many other regulatory rules. He was the genesis of this morass we find ourselves in. #
You can say that about so many other deflection points in the recent past too. For instance if Nixon had been prosecuted and served time, Trump wouldn't be breaking laws with impunity and likely wouldn't be president. If SCOTUS hadn't stopped the recount in Florida, Gore would have won and Dubya would be a historical footnote instead of having caused of a war based on fraudulent evidence and then an economic crash. I can think of a half-dozen more off the top of my head. The GOP has been a disaster for this country for decades.
Don't forget reagan committed treason with the iranians twice. He did a deal with them that kept those hostages until he took office. Then he did Iran Contra which was nothing more than a attempt to destabilize Nicaragua.
Led to the destruction of public banking for individuals.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/...
Jimmy carter tried to fix it and reagon killed it out of spite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine
Destroyed the media by allowing completely biased fake new like fox news.
https://www.economic-historian.com/...
Started the rot of deregulation that has infested the entire economy to the point that there are no checks and balances stopping the corruption that has festered with trump. Trump is just a tool. He doesn't think he is but he nothing more than a tool.
Don't forget Trickle down Economics. What a joke.
There are other things that POS did but when you look at the start of our modern decline it starts with reagan.
I don't know if this is just an oversight or I'm reading it wrong, but both Glass-Steagall and the Fairness Doctrine were arguably excellent pieces of legislation, and it was their repeal that acted against public interest.
I'd give anything to have them back, along with the repeal of EVERYTHING in law that says corporations = people, usually for the purpose of unfairly extending constitutional protections to them.
Reagan was against the public interest. His interference resulted in their repeal. Even with trump in the mix reagan is still the worst president we have ever had IMO. Trump couldn't exist except for that D list actor and the destruction he brought to this country.
The biggest was the assassination of RFK. Had he lived, he would have been elected, ended Vietnam early, and taken America in an entirely different direction.
Instead, we got Nixon, who took us down the Dark Right path that we're still on now.
What is up with the Reagan apologia? Fuck that guy. Reagan walked so Bush and and Trump could run.
Reagan fucked the entire world up.
I'd have to say that an awful lot of Americans saw the truth decades ago.
We just need more of us. And we need a media - both "legacy" and social - that doesn't do the Murc's Law bullshit and doesn't have "The Algorithm" constantly fucking us all.
The kind of people who respond to facts are already not voting Republican, or are assholes.
Facts don't matter. Emotions do. People are emotionally invested in the mythology of the Republican party.
The opposition need to work on their own mythology.
The GOP is going to have to touch the electric fence to shake the 35% who will vote for them no matter what. The electric fence is taking away social security and Medicare, ironically socialism for some (mostly trump) voters paid for by working age (mostly not trump) voters. I have faith that they are dumb enough though
Yes I totally agree. And also the Dems have done jack shit for decades. Corporate interests dominate. So people vote for reform candidates a lot, because, as they say, "the status quo is not ... quo".
And it still matters. Voting for Trump was never reasonable. They did fuck us all over. But I understand why people make bad desperation choices.
Well that’s pretty scary. Now they realize and they still do nothing.
Oh, they'll do something alright. They'll vote for Trump in 2028.
Remind them that a black man was president once and they'll vote republican even if they're starving
Doubt
The power button turned my PC off.
It's a default these days . . .
There is no getting thru to a third of this country. They didn't just drink the cool aid, they ritualistically bathe in it daily.
We just need the apathetic third that can't be bothered to get off their ass to actually SO SOMETHING.
for the first time in a long time, Americans trust the Democrats more than the Republicans on the economy.
That's not the same claim the title makes. The one the title makes is bullshit (unfortunately). Even this claim is....... not much to celebrate.
It's sort of like saying "Yeah..... sometimes cops go a little far, I guess, maybe". meh
I get what you're saying in general, but I'm not sure why Bush Sr gets put in the same category. Sure there was a recession and scandal or two, but these were pretty minor overall, and it was followed soon after by one of the most successful economic periods in US history, it's hard to argue his presidency was a disaster, and in the same context as Bush Jr and Trump
GWH Bush's issue was that he didn't really do anything. He always wanted to be president, and nakedly chased that ambition for years. EVERYBODY in DC knew he was after the job. When he got it, his objective was met, his dream fulfilled, and he was done.
He had his 100 Hour War in Kuwait, and he was quoted by insiders as believing that alone would get him reelected, and he didn't need to campaign much, which he hated to do. Meanwhile, both Clinton and Perot were running very enthusiastic campaigns.
He also pardoned all the traitors in the Iran-Contra Scandal, under the advice of Bill Barr.
So he got beat, because he got lazy and tired, and he didn't have any real positives to point to.
Yes but Noam Chomsky is a moron who was right about a couple things.
I believe that quote is actually from Julius Nyerere, who, unlike Chompsky, was never a known Epstein associate.
Uh huh, sure. And even if they are if it’s taken this long is a travesty
“Starting to be personally affected by their vote and are upset about that part, but not about everyone else being put in concentration camps or shot in the street.”
Don’t jinx it!
It literally doesnt matter, if they decide to forgo their constitutional right to vote. Americans are a special bunch of stoopid.
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They'll still do exactly what Fox News tells them to do and vote for the Grand Old Pedophiles.
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