I am new here can someone explain how this works?

a day ago by Sacred to c/asklemmy

So i was earlier at mainstream social media apps, by it was very shitty(dumb people), then I went to reddit, after some while I realised it's also shit(clown people and dumb mods, like no freedom). So now I found this. I have few queries- 1.How does fediverse and lemmy work, couldn't find much on the Internet and AI wasn't much help either. 2.Whats the environment here? 3.What all words and how freedom is allowed here? 4.What are some general rules/unspoken tradition to follow if any? 5.Anything else u wanna tell about

sharkfucker420 26 points a day ago

I'm betting a week before you crash out at a communist.

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snoons 2 points a day ago

We call em' tankies 'round these parts.

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FiniteBanjo 15 points a day ago

Fediverse is a large network of servers which are allowed to communicate with each other. Some fediverse servers refuse to communicate with some others referred to as "Defederation". Each "instance" as we call them has its own hosts, owners, admins, and rules.

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The major flavors of fediverse instances are Piefed, Lemmy, and Kbin/mbin. They're open source frameworks used to build the instances.

I strongly strongly strongly advice against instances which are still federated with Hexbear, a Chinese propoganda botnet, such as Lemmy ML or Lemmy Today, and I actually advise against all lemmy instances in general because their codebase maintainers are anti-trans, pro-genocide, pro-Trump, and pro-Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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TastySoup 5 points a day ago

Wait, whaa? You mean lemmy.world, too? Can you please point me to a source for this? I joined on lemmy.world just as a reddit refugee when they killed all the 3rd party apps and I'm still only partway familiar with how the fediverse works haha (why I opened this thread)... I've had a good experience on lemmy.world so far, I obviously don't want to inadvertently support those initiatives, though...

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FiniteBanjo 7 points a day ago

So the Lemmy framework developers only officially host the Lemmy ML instance themselves but they are responsible for all the feature pushes and merges in the code. They use this authority to throw up a banner asking for donations on every Lemmy instance, and when asked why the Lemmy World team hadn't taken the banner down they said they explicitly do support them including with their own donations.

You can find more information on the Lemmy developer's extremism on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works in the post "Documentation of Lemmy.ml's Extremism"

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TastySoup 5 points a day ago

Oooooof. Guess I gotta learn how to move myself to another instance now, and if my fave app will even work with that instance. Heh. Sigh. How disappointing. Really appreciate you calling it out, explaining it, and sharing the source.

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aaaa 4 points a day ago

There isn't any mechanism for migrating your accounts, you would just make an account elsewhere and abandon this one.

I'm not sure how much it matters that you're using Lemmy software when you're on an instance that isn't the the devs', but money talks I suppose. Generally instance owners pay attention to changes and keep things configured in a sane way

But just the same, the same team that runs lemmy.world also run piefed.world if you still think you feel you need to switch to different software. It's what I did. But you can move to piefed.social if you'd rather ditch the team entirely

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Pamasich 0 points 17 hours ago
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FiniteBanjo 1 point 16 hours ago

Please read the other replies. They regularly put up a funding banner and have a long history of pushing extreme propaganda and silencing dissent, and they've also been known to use their homepage to promote instances which align with their views rather than by any merit.

Please cite source on the piefed dev.

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schipelblorp 11 points a day ago

People are stupid everywhere, but there are fewer people overall here and that makes a surprisingly big difference.

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CombatWombat 9 points a day ago

One thing it's easy to miss about the fediverse is that it's not just lemmy users here. You'll see folks from friendica (which is like facebook) or pixelfed (which is like instagram) or mastodon (which is like twitter) or one of a dozen other services in the comments. Each one of them has a different culture and different ways of interacting, so assuming everyone is gonna act like you're used to from reddit is going to serve you poorly. My best advice is to always be actively kind to other people, and try not to complain too much about the mods or the admins -- no-one's get paid to be here (and many of us are actively paying for server fees) and no-one can stop you from saying anything you want, because you can always start your own community or stand up your own instance.

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6_Electrons 2 points a day ago

so I'm curious about the other platforms being here - how do I tell who they are?

How can I interact with those platforms from my lemmy instance?

Its something I don't understand but think would be awesome and improve my lemmy experience greatly if I had those as part of my lemmy feed if thats possible?

Thanks in advance

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CombatWombat 3 points a day ago

Mostly, you can’t tell. There are some tells, for instance comments will often start by at mentioning op, and posts to communities will at mention the community in the post body, but oftentimes you just won’t notice. There’s a reasonable chance you’ve already read and/or replied to someone on another service already.

I haven’t used lemmy in a year or so now, but last I knew, lemmy did not support following users directly. Piefed does, and I’m told mbin does as well. And let me tell you, having the capybara every hour account (@capybarahourly@mastodon.social) and the zoo twitter mirror account (@zootweetmirrorbot@mastodon.ai) in my feed has, in fact, greatly improved my experience.

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QuadratureSurfer 2 points a day ago

You'll start to recognize the larger instances after a bit. The domain/instance name sometimes has a hint as to what kind of platform it is.

Lemmy gets along well with "Threadiverse" (Reddit-like) instances: Lemmy, PieFed, and Mbin. Searching for Communities (subreddits) will automatically fetch the community list from the other platforms and you can join/subscribe like you would on Reddit. So, it should be easy for you to access those.

If you're on PieFed, they take it a little further and allow you to combine similar communities across platforms into a single "Feed". A few 3rd party apps for Lemmy allow you to do something similar. Just keep in mind that different instances will usually have slightly different rules/mods for similar communities.

Lemmy doesn't interact too well with Mastodon (Twitter-like) instances. But those users can see our activity and comment on posts at will. You can reply to them just like any other user once they've commented on a post that you can see.

Mbin instances support a little bit of peeking into the Mastodon side, and PieFed supports it a bit more. For instance, following users will pull their posts into a catch-all "Microblogs" community that other users on the threadiverse can interact with. Ex:
!microblogs@piefed.social

There are even some "bridge" accounts that have the potential to link up Mastodon and BlueSky users... But as far as I've seen on the threadiverse side, only PieFed users have recently been able to take advantage of that.

You likely won't see too many users from Threads. A decent number of instances block Meta and any Threads user would also need to enable something in their account settings to see outside of their bubble.

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Meatwagon 2 points 13 hours ago

That's cool. If I wanted to see Bluesky posts from piefed, how could I do that?

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QuadratureSurfer 1 point 12 hours ago

It should be just as easy as following this account here: @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

I'm having some issues with my account (likely an issue with requiring users to have a profile picture uploaded before following). I can at least see one other PieFed.zip user who was able to get it working successfully.

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Montagge 9 points a day ago
  1. Instances communicate with each other to sync posts from the communities on each instance. This requires the instances to be federated. Some instances are federated with almost everyone. Some instances are defederated from instances their admin(s) have deemed troublesome.
  2. Left leaning, but not particularly friendly to women as a whole. Not big on sports. Lots of Linux.
  3. You'd have to expand on that
  4. Communities not subreddits
  5. Prepare for beans
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graynk 6 points a day ago

I only have 2 points to mention.

  1. You will find stupid people everywhere.
  2. On Lemmy people can be nice in a lot of places, but there are also a lot of aggressively stupid people who hold the most batshit insane opinions you've ever seen (unless you've been to 4chan, then it's nothing of note). Sometimes it can feel like you're on Twitter. Use the block button generously, you can even block entire instances.
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HubertManne 4 points a day ago

@finitebanjo@feddit.online explained pretty good but I want to reiterate that the instance ultimately dictates what is allowed or not. the software has defaults on some blocks and defederations but its up to the instance maintainers to keep the defaults or change that. each community then may or may not have rules. communities do not by default federate community posts the way most of the software works. It needs a user of the instance to subscribe to the community. piefed did something to allow auto subscribing to sorta fix that and its possible that has made its way out since most all the ecosystem is open source but im not sure. there are often multiple communities that have the same subject and often on different instances. some communities seem to limit or do not federate at all. Like the dedicated nsfw instance and an anime instance has communities that people only see if they have an account on the anime instance. this I think came about from changes that allowed for private communities. a bit annoying for me though the lazy bum who does not want to make multiple accounts but does want to see it all. my own instance has all the piefed defaults. its kinda stage for piefed but pretend I did not say that as it kinda rubs people the wrong way. but it generally gets the new stuff first. I don't change because again lazy and honestly the piefed defaults when I look them up pretty much line up with things im fine not seeing. for pure philosophical reasons I should move but man I like getting the new stuff fast and I like how piefed does stuff.

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snoons 3 points a day ago

Most has already been spoken too re. the main devs of lemmy generally being fascist weirdos (I suggest making an account on piefed as well); so, on a somewhat lighter note the main gay af community, 196, split into three separate versions because the mods of the original comm decided to move to .world from blahaj.zone for some convoluted reason. The original comm was locked and someone set up a new comm still on blahaj because .world can be a cesspit sometimes. After much user... feedback the original comm on blahaj was unlocked; however there was already a replacement comm set up on the same instance. This left us with three separate 196 communities. Two on blahaj.zone and one on .world. The one with the cool logo (/c/onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone) is the newer most active one now.

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captain_aggravated 3 points 12 hours ago
  1. The fediverse works a little like email. You know how you can have an account with Google's Gmail service and still send messages to your uncle's Compuserve account, your work uses Microsoft's Outlook service, and lots of businesses have their own domains? But they all talk the same protocol so these independent services can all interact? The fediverse does the same thing. The protocol is called ActivityPub, and it means that all fediverse systems can communicate to a point. You'll sometimes see Mastodon users interacting with Lemmy. Lemmy is a Reddit clone UI wise. We call subreddits "communities". The different instances are like those different email services, it's why you, with an account on thelemmy.club, created a post on asklemmy@lemmy.world where I, a user on sh.itjust.works, saw it.
  2. The environment here is yin to Reddit's yang. On Reddit, Hitler did nothing wrong, on Lemmy, Mao did nothing wrong.
  3. Same as Reddit, you can say whatever the mods agree with.
  4. Don't call communities "subreddits." Don't mention Nicole.
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QuadratureSurfer 3 points a day ago

Most other users have hit the important points already. Modlogs over here are public and it usually makes calling out powertripping mods a lot easier. The community for that is usually here: !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that most everything you do here is very public including how you vote. Even if Lemmy hides it from your user interface, other instances can easily see that information.

There are a few communities that will ban users if they consistently downvote every post in a community. So if there's any community with content that you don't care for, just block it to hide the posts from showing up in your feed.

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tyo_ukko 1 point 16 hours ago

As for 5., the only annoyance I have is that sometimes when you are browsing a thread and want to go back to the community front page, clicking the link takes you there but as a non-logged in user. Then you have to go back and find the correct link that still keeps you logged on.

I suppose it's something like you have to browse through your own instance where you're logged in, and just navigating to the other instance will show you as a non-logged in guest. But I'm not entirely sure how that works.

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