Judge halts Trump’s abstinence-only overhaul of teen sex ed program

9 hours ago by spaghettiwestern to c/news

A federal judge in Washington on Wednesday blocked the Trump administration’s recent changes to the Teen Pregnancy Prevention Program, which hit groups around the country that teach classes on healthy relationships, abstinence and contraception.

The Trump administration, he wrote “is perfectly entitled to formulate its own views about how to stem teen pregnancy — or even whether it is worth preventing at all — and to pursue policy initiatives consistent with its viewpoint. But it is not at liberty, under the Administrative Procedure Act (“APA”), to impose conditions on grant recipients that Congress did not intend or that are unreasonable or unexplained.”

RoidingOldMan 78 points 9 hours ago

Holy shit they WANT teen pregnancy to be a thing again. They wrote it down.

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village604 52 points 9 hours ago

Why do you think they're anti-abortion? They need more slave labor

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Makhno 11 points 8 hours ago

*more soldiers for the resource wars

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WhoIzDisIz 4 points 8 hours ago

The difference being only in how they're trained.

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FuglyDuck 6 points 7 hours ago

And how they die.

They want meat for the meat grinder.

They don’t care which meat grinder it is.

(Though, with all the bullshit on child labor roll backs…. They can get kids in the one meat grinder and sell the other as “escape”)

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pdxfed 2 points 6 hours ago

But they have to be white and preferably male.

Every industrialized country is freaking out about birthrates--some going on 20 years--and the US under Trump has thrown away the single largest economic advantage it had.

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halcyoncmdr 1 point 3 hours ago

But they have to be white and preferably male.

They still need the females and brown babies to rape and send to their human trafficking rings.

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im_fine_sandy 1 point 2 hours ago

Do you really actually believe that republicans really actually have a sinister plan to breed more slaves ?

It just seems kind of absurd to me. I'm sure there's a few nutters that do want to breed slaves but not as a generally held premise.

I also think there are already sufficient slaves for whatever nefarious plan one might have.

In a bleak dystopian future where you have some kind of over-class that lives in fancy domes and the rest of us toil away in the wasteland, how many slaves or under-class do you need? Fewer than currently exist I imagine.

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foodandart 1 point 17 minutes ago

Not slaves.. white babies. just white babies. This whole abstinence thing runs completely cross current to the natalist ideology within the white christian nationalist movement.

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village604 30 points 9 hours ago

My college sociology professor would, for some reason, go into abstinence only rants.

Being the contrarian I am, I fact checked everything she said. For example, she claimed the CDC said that condoms were 100% ineffective at preventing pregnancy and STDs. So I pulled up the webpage on contraception and called her out.

Her favorite thing to say was that sex ed was like giving kids keys to a car and expecting them not to drive. Eventually I started responding, "No, it's like teaching them how to drive so they can do it safely when they're ready." Her response was always to change the subject.

To her credit, despite me constantly arguing with her, I still got a B in the class (skipped an exam}.

The next semester she banned laptops from her classroom. She tried to ban mine, but I got disability services involved (ADHD).

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lemmyng 12 points 8 hours ago

Something tells me she should have her teaching license revoked permanently.

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village604 -10 points 8 hours ago

I agree, but I think teaching at a community college is a good punishment.

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Soggy 10 points 7 hours ago

I had some excellent professors at community college, some people want to teach way more than they want to be part of "academia".

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village604 3 points 7 hours ago

She specifically wanted to be at a university. She did for one semester and wasn't asked to come back.

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WhoIzDisIz 7 points 8 hours ago

For whom? Her, or the poor students stuck with her?

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village604 1 point 7 hours ago

Her. She wasn't happy about the university not inviting her back after one semester.

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otp 9 points 7 hours ago

Her favorite thing to say was that sex ed was like giving kids keys to a car and expecting them not to drive. Eventually I started responding, "No, it's like teaching them how to drive so they can do it safely when they're ready." Her response was always to change the subject.

Her phrase is exactly what abstinence-only sex education is.

When kids grow up, they find their own keys and ignitions quite easily. So they have the keys and the ignition/car, and abstinence-only sex ed is like "no driving" driver's ed. But they have the keys and they're sitting in the car and they have somewhere they want to be.

I also imagine that abstinence-only sex education doesn't usually mean teaching safe "outercourse", mutual masturbation, etc...so they have the keys and the car, somewhere they need to be, and nobody tells them about taxis or busses or bicycles...

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keiko 2 points 7 hours ago

When kids grow up, they find their own keys and ignitions quite easily.

Quite a few find those things before they grow up.

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im_fine_sandy 1 point 7 hours ago

This debate is completely lost on me.

Someone was trying to explain that the reason she sends her kids to a private school is because she doesn't want them to learn about sex when they're too young.

I don't get it.

I genuinely don't see the problem with kids knowing everything their curious minds want to know about reproduction.

She said they're too young to process it. I think she means they're too young to process the weird moral overlay she wants them to adopt.

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village604 1 point an hour ago

They just don't want to talk to their kids about it. Simple as that.

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DagwoodIII 30 points 9 hours ago

Same people who know and forgive Trump's adult excursions somehow beleive that teenagers should just show more self control.

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EastofEdson 24 points 7 hours ago

My high school experience involved a few girls that were taught abstinence at home and at church. They were the wild ones.

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weeeeum 10 points 6 hours ago

Honestly when has this NOT been the case? It's heard and quoted absolutely everywhere. The most sheltered are always the freakiest

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SeductiveTortoise 3 points 7 hours ago

Wild in an abstinent and chaste way, right?

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kreskin 9 points 7 hours ago

you are talking about the fact that um.. certain sex acts dont count as losing your chastity right. These days onlyfans also doesnt count and is a fairly accepted way to make money.

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jtrek 12 points 4 hours ago

Anyone who seriously advocates for abstinence only education is not qualified to speak on policy. That's it.

We really need to do something so we have fewer scumbags and fools running our government.

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spaghettiwestern 5 points 3 hours ago

A great cautionary tale is Bristol Palin (Sarah Palin's daughter), who became pregnant while unmarried and later became the Teen Pregnancy Prevention Ambassador for an organization promoting abstinence-only education. That was a great decision financially - she was paid more than $1/4 million per year, but even that kind of paycheck, her born-again nutcase mother, and the evangelical church couldn't make abstinence work. She became pregnant with a 2nd child while still unmarried and while still getting paid for promoting abstinence-only. Imagine the outrage if that had been Obama's daughter!

Actually since she walked away with $1 million plus maybe it isn't such a great cautionary tale.

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halezinflames 7 points 9 hours ago

"Abstinence only" only works for these people because they can't get any to begin with. Holy hell.

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SCmSTR 6 points an hour ago

Jesus fucking Christ what year is it

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kreskin 6 points 7 hours ago

Telling me when I was 16 to never think about sex or consider having would not have worked very well. In fact it probably would have made have sex sooner and in a more crazed manner.

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Malyca 5 points 6 hours ago

That's what they want

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lemmyng 3 points 4 hours ago

They want the product of unsafe sex: fetuses they can sue an unprepared couple over because they care about aborting a mass of cells more than the lives of the people who purposefully weren't informed.

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Leviathan 5 points 2 hours ago

Nothing causes unwanted babies that turn into for-profit prison slaves quite like abstinence-only sex Ed. It's the long con but someone probably paid good money to try and get Tangerine Palpatine to push it through.

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turtlesareneat 4 points 3 hours ago

We have that abstinence only thing down here in the South.

It's why my friend was HIV positive at 22, before understanding the basics of how he could get HIV.

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switcheroo 1 point 4 hours ago

That's because those teens might give up those babies and wealthy horrid conservatives will buy them for astronomical fees to try and make them grow up as shitty as they are. Big business, selling kids to wealthy pieces of shit.

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