That's completely fine, we don't want that person. You're being reasonable.

Tbh I think you might be over-defending/hyping things. Usually a single short comment about why you like something is going to win more people over than trying to suggest why others would like it.

Emotional personal experiences can't be argued with, whereas statements about the worth of something in general can be.

That person is also probably not going to change their mind though, so don't over think it 😄

'ATechnicalSquid' is right tho regarding Mods. Many people here don't wanna accept it, but Lemmy can be as much of an echo chamber with the same powertripping mods as on Reddit.

Thanks for fighting the good fight! A couple of thoughts from a former greasy salesman:

A) Are you meeting what OP needs or wants? OP says they're trying to quit reddit because they're wasting their life there. If they're trying to quit social media, not sure recommending a different style of social media is going to help.

B) Probably best to come in ready for typical responses e.g., "there's no content!" "Too many crazies" (say what you will, until you learn to avoid .ml etc, the fediverse can really suck for the vast majority of "normal" folks.)

C) Maybe have good examples of communities, instances or whatever that you want to recommend. Being able to point to concrete examples etc always helps!

Good luck!

IMO the strongest argument here is simply that Lemmy has mod logs while Reddit moderation is opaque and more automated, because those are verifiable facts. Any comparison of the quality of moderation itself is necessarily going to be subjective and anecdotal, in part because Reddit and its mods actively prevent objective evaluation to sweep their crap under the rug.

The way you said it was perfect imo

Not wrong, I've noticed several very sweaty, vindictive Lemmy mods.

Just say you like Lemmy because it’s like earlier Reddit, smaller communities, more organic, and doesn’t have any corporate control / censorship

I've seen some crap over here on Lemmy.

I think it's better than reddit.

:shrug:

I came here from Reddit. Helped to mod a community on there, one of a team of about a dozen and it took about an hour a day, just a constant onslaught of offenders. Also was invited to help with another but I was not hardcore enough in a politically correct way, not heavy handed enough for them, they wanted a very safe space. Reddit is huge so there is some of everything but overall moderation is more heavy handed & micromanagey.

I mod a slow but active community here. 3 years I think, and less than one report per year. People are mostly so nice or at least funny enough when they aren't, almost no reports, almost no moderation needed. Not one off topic post, even. It's a dream.

We of the squid community disavow this one.

Just takes one power trippin' bastard to ruin somebodies experience.

Note that the person you were talking to isn't the person arguing. For all you know, Life_Ad3567 may already be here.

But also, you should see the absolute communist terrorist Nazi mods over on ich_iel when you spell it Ich_iel in your post title.

I just stopped going on reddit at all, much happier now

Less bots, less reposts. Sure, some people suck, but at least they’re people. Or much better bots. I guess there’s no way to know for sure.

There are shitty mods on lemmy too, but there are also, I suspect, some people (though some might not even be people) who are just extremely hostile to anything Fediverse.

Some of them might just be too dumb or lazy to learn how to set the scope of their filters when looking for communities, so they only see their own instance and think it's kind of a dead place, but I suspect a lot of them also argue in bad faith and generally just go out of their way to trash anything they see as a potential reddit competitor whether it's legitimate criticism or not.

This is why I view the learning curve that come with using federated platforms as a nice built in filter that stops a decent number of idiots from staying here.

Parable of the sower, maybe. Different preferences.

"Lemmy" can be terrible because everyone who was IP banned from Reddit made a Lemmy account and a raw unmoderated Lemmy feed is truly insufferable on a level Reddit never came close to.

There are good instances out there with good mods so I recommend suggesting one of those. I'm not going to suggest any here because you're already on Lemmy and the whole point is to find one that suits your style, not mine.

Sounds like that user may have been a dick and ran afoul of a mod…?

Also, for them to portray the moderating experience of lemmy as worse than Reddit is… uh… fascinating.

They're right though, the active communities here are modded mostly by extremists and people who love echo chambers.

"What you're saying doesn't match the community over there at all. I don't you've ever even used it and are just trying to sound important. There's a lot less of people like you over there too."

You can lead a horse to water…

If someone reacts to what you say, don't react with more reaction. It just gives an excuse not to change, which is ultimately the goal of most people deep down. You acted as a poor reflection of Lemmy to a non-Lemmy user. Forget right and wrong, say less, people are people, what would you want to hear in the other persons situation?

Well, a lot of people already know Lemmy is full of mostly assholes. So, getting people to come over to a failing fractured network with only the worst kind of mods is… not appealing to most.