"genocide is good"
"genocide is good"
Ok. You said it
They couldn’t even give up their slaves, give black people rights without blood, you think they’ll allow their power to be taken peacefully?
Do you think we have no blood now? That homeless aren’t dying in the winter, that CEOs aren’t denying 90 percent of claims?
Destroying which building? A building that facilitates taking the spoils of imperialism? A building that exploits poverty for the sake of shareholders, resulting in, by some estimates, 200,000 deaths every year? A building that enacts more violence than it would take to deatroy?
Yes, definitely destroy it before it gets built. That's hardly a question.
There are no purity tests, there is socialist and then there are right wing fascists, Democrats fall within that category.
Wrong ideas that provide protection and cover for fascists should be censored. The main issue is liberals don't care about censorship, they only care about being told no.
Liberals never come into leftist spaces for discussion, they come in demanding we support them, that we've got it all wrong, and we are the reason they are huge piles of steaming shit.
This comment section:
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....what happened here?
Probably liberals that cannot read the rules.
You do know OP doesn't have power to delete other people's comments, right?
What you call purity test the rest of the civilized world call accountability. You support a party of fascists and they need to be held accountable. Oh, and this comment is getting deleted as well as your others since you can't read.
There is no infighting because Democrats are not leftists. The fighting that you see is Democrats trying to demand that they are leftists, and not right wing Republicans, like their history shows.
I think the struggle is that while the party and establishment dems that run it are basically republican lite. A lot of people still in the party, who don't fit or agree with the establishment, haven't come, for whatever reason, to the realization that that is what the democratic party has become.
I think for some it's a laziness issue. For others it's not having enough resources to understand. And for some it's probably a hesitancy to no longer ally with a party they have long been a part of. In the US, parties tend to be like factions that people dedicate to instead of a means to a political end.
Also most Americans still think left and liberal are the same thing. So there's that hurdle too.
that is what the democratic party has become.
This is who they've always been
I wouldn't say that it's universal, but there are an enormous number of exceedingly exclusionary people here. People who'd rather be right than advance their goals. Once again, it's far from universal. I met my first few anonymous people who were actually interested in self reflection on lemmy. It's a place that's open to ideas, which is why I hate these posts. They close people down. It's the paradox of tolerance, in reverse
Virtue signaling used to be called principles
My comment had NOTHING whatsoever to do with either Democrats or Liberalism. I criticized Lemmy’s fractured Leftist culture, exemplified by OP in every post of his I’ve seen.
Is this… moderator abuse?
This and my previous comment can always be read at https://infosec.pub/u/Septimaeus and this mod can’t delete that evidence from my profile, because he was banned instance-wide years ago.

Smh
No that's just logic.
Socialist enough would be dismantling the legal framework that allows corporations to exist, and replacing that with something that decentralizes the distribution of wealth so that funnels of greed are a thing of the past.
Or establishing legal frameworks that promote (or require) worker cooperatives/socialist enterprises where shares/decisions are redistributed amongst the workers comprising the enterprise (but not the whole of society).
That's petty bourgeois capitalism, not socialism. This isn't about purity or anything, socialism is about the working class owning the means of production and distribution, not creating petty bourgeois cooperatives.
First of all, you mean petite bourgeoisie, which would be like craftsmen, independent store owners, small businesses, or self-employed contractors.
I am referring to the factory workers owning the factory, or social cooperatives. That might be a far cry from what people wish socialism encompassed, but that is not petite bourgeoisie. You won't find me championing the cause of small business tyrants, lordy.
The Emilia-Romagna region of northern Italy comes to mind, where nearly 1/3rd of the GDP comes from worker or social co-ops.
Sorry you don't like cooperatives, but that doesn't grant you the right to misconstrue my intentions based upon a flimsy, hand-wavy reference to Marxist jargon. We get it, you've read all three volumes of Das Kapital.
That's a necessary but not sufficient part of socialism, is what the meme is trying to say.
People saying this is purity testing or similar, this is showing a difference between neo-liberal politics and their believers versus actual leftists or socialists. The term "liberal" has been misconstrued to mean left when it certainly is not. I want the USA to stop invading other countries, I want them to still provide aid for countries but preferably not military. Ukraine would be a situation we would provide military aide to so they can repel fascist invaders.
that ticked me off so much. If the west as a whole went full bore in assisting Ukraine between Feb of 22' and Oct of 22' that invasion would be in the rear view mirror and russia would have so much egg on its face the Russian people probably would have ousted Putin in a full blown revolt. But here we are. I suppose on the plus side we now know how effective drone warfare is. I wouldn't expect less from the nation that invented the incendiary Pigeon as a viable method of breaking a siege. Always thinking outside the box, those Ukrainians ;)
Those are the awful people, they believe what they've been told is socialism with no question. These are the people that are politically illiterate
You can be awful without being evil. Politically ignorant/illiterate are awful even if they aren't necessarily evil.
They can be annoying, frustrating, naive and so on. It doesn't mean they won't believe in the same ideas, they're just a bit ignorant. That's why it's important to explain why this line of thinking in this meme is harmful, not to shame them. There's a path to "wokeness", basically, it's not instant.
Not everyone is terminally online, especially if they're working two jobs just to survive. We must not gatekeep socialist ideas, it's one of those things on the left that divides people and drives them away.
you impregnated shoe pebble.
Go back to reddit
Hey bro, you got it wrong. You need to censor people who want what you want in a different way. That will make them want to help you achieve your goal.
Does that not make sense to you? Don't think about it too much. If you don't think about it at all, and ban thought from your mind, you can join the mod team here, sign up today!
The biggest example is the Nordic model. It's not the least bit socialist. It is 100% capitalist that uses the exploitation of the global south to benefit their citizens. It is also liberals to think things like fire departments, schools and taxation a socialist.
Then where's an example of "real" socialism to you?
Next you'll tell me Robert Owen is not a socialist, or that reform can not happen with socialism.
You cannot reform capitalism into socialism. They are fundamentally oppositional. It would require revolutionizing the entirety of our economic and political systems. This is BASIC theory. Please read a fucking book.
I’m talking about reform of the definition or the method to reach socialism. Like the difference of methods between Rosa Luxemburg, Lenin, Mao, Eduard Bernstein.
I am, currently the quotations of Mao, and to be honest it sounded great until he explained that his definition of democracy was not mine or most people’s in current day.
As a dutch citizen with a parliamentary voting system (not FPTP barbarism) it seems to me deeply egotistical and frightening to read his definition:
Plato’s • Philosopher Kings
I’ve tried to explain it to others but like you they swore at me, took my arguments out of context or proportion or used propaganda to negate my point.
Even amongst socialists you will find little proponents for Philosopher Kings.
https://feddit.nl/comment/27815475
Thanks to this eloquent statement you fulfill the definition of Tankie and I’ll be blocking you, any other tankies please block me too.
Any actual socialist that's read a single word of theory knows reform is a failure
Democrats and Republicans are believing the entirely wrong things. So wrong to the point that someone like Trump was a viable candidate.
Authoritarian socialism for the win baby
Keeping the trash out isn't authoritarianism
It's a flavour of if. But I'm not against it, I think people are ignorant enough they need a little kick in the ass from time to time, myself included.
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