David Eby's gambit folks

11 days ago by Avid Amoeba to c/canada

Among decided and leaning voters, the BC Conservatives lead the BC NDP by just under 8 points, 44.7% to 37.2% with the Green at 11.2%, One BC at 5.7% and Centre BC Party at 1.1% rounding out the field.

Looks like malpractice.

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Levi 15 points 10 days ago

Everybody should just vote green, if only to see what happens.

I'm kinda surprised the conservatives would be so popular considering all the drama lately.

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wampus 2 points 10 days ago

Eby and the NDP have been in power long enough, and various recent trends lines have been negative enough, that people want a change. Even with its dysfunction, the conservatives are the most viable alternative -- the greens only managed to field like 77 out of 93 riding candidates. NDP and Con are at like 92 and 93? You can't even vote green in various areas of the lower mainland of vancouver, the most populous area of the province, theoretically overflowing with potential candidates, and which is far more left-leaning than areas like the conservative interior/north.

Plus, intentionally calling an election during a time of negative trends, just because your opponents are in disarray and you think you can win? It's like a couple people want to have a foot race, with the NDP choosing when the race starts -- and they intentionally wait until their opponents are off in the bathroom, to fire the starting pistol. That's a really shit look for a leader, even if they 'likely' will win the race, it's not the sort of action that inspires people to 'follow' in general; it's pretty clearly immoral, even if politically expedient. I've heard more than a few people comment on it. We'll see how it pans out for eby on election night, but it's definitely the sort of behaviour people don't generally seem to want to condone/support.

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GodofLies 5 points 9 days ago

I think the move to call an election wasn't fully thought out, but who wouldn't call an election when your opponent's side is imploding? But hindsight 20/20. The messaging from Eby is poor from day 1 of his tenure as premier. The things he proposed should have been announced even without the 'threat' of an election.

That being said, 9 years of straight NDP isn't going to magically fix 16 years straight of BC Liberal policies and spending. It's easier to spend/sell assets than save/generate wealth. It certainly didn't help with COVID in there alongside a trade war. BC Liberals effectively bankrupted BC.

But sure, let's vote for the BC Libs/Cons for more tax breaks...that will fix the budget! Somehow their words speak louder than their actions...

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wampus 3 points 9 days ago

meh I've already heard that sort of statement a whole bunch, and personally don't give a shit anymore.

The BC Liberals were a corrupt, shitty party. That doesn't mean the NDP deserve support, especially as they've made a bunch of gaffs lately, and have generally done a poor job at managing various parts of the provincial portfolio. Lots of people myself included, are sick of voting for "the lesser of two shitty options" -- the NDP ought to be putting out things that make people want to follow them / elect them. Their approach to this election call does the exact opposite, and runs a high risk of passing control of the government over to the Conservatives YEARS earlier than they had to. And at a time when such a hand over could cause serious damage, given what's going on in Alberta, the USA's new regime/international aggression, etc.

They could've waited till like 2028? 2029? Hell, even if Eby had waited until the various fringe parties had 'settled', so that the vote split on the right was more assured, they'd have a better shot at maintaining power in a FPTP system. With all that time they could've had, they could've worked on setting up proportional representation -- something that a splintered right-wing would likely be more agreeable to, and which would encourage better governance going forward.

We get Eby taking a huge risk with a stupid election call at a stupid time. Like a ship entering a dangerous arctic passageway, suddenly declaring they need to elect a new captain mid voyage, it's just ridiculous and reckless. Or, sitting down at a restaurant and the waiter brings you a plate of moldy food -- and defends it as the "best option" because the other meals are literal piles of feces. Fuck telling people to vote to eat the mold -- tell the restaurant to do better. Personally, I'm voting green this time around, largely because fuck the other two parties -- even if there are a bunch of things in the green platform I don't like.

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avidamoeba 3 points 9 days ago

Fucking well said. This mfker decided to basically hand over power to the cons and people (am in Ontario so not me) are supposed to wipe his ass? Well he can do a whole lotta shit that "isn't as bad as the cons" and expect people to support him, can't he. It's not like there weren't polls showing early election would likely put cons on top. So he's either rowing for the cons or stupid. I'd probably still vote for him if I were in BC to nerf the cons but I cannot blame people who don't. Supporting mediocrity to avoid the worse outcome is how we got where we are in a whole lotta places.

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Canconda 3 points 9 days ago

We get Eby taking a huge risk with a stupid election call at a stupid time.

I disagree. The timing is perfect if you're looking to capitalize on the same anti-conservative/anti-maple-maga sentiment that kept the NDP in power in Oct of 2024.

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avidamoeba 3 points 10 days ago

Yeah the look is really bad for people who care about the character of people they put in power.

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Sunshine 2 points 8 days ago

the greens only managed to field like 77

Hard to succeed when you have a shoestring budget and elites smearing you relentlessly. Also this is a petty thing to criticize a small party for.

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wampus 0 points 8 days ago

Oh pish posh Sunshine. That comment is perfectly fine within the context it was written, and isn't a jab at the party in specific. Noting that they're 1 of the only 3 parties that are potentially viable to form a government, albeit unlikely, is a nod to them being an actual party if anything -- compared to the whatever the fuck that centre/one parties are or w/e.

Noting that they didn't manage to field candidates in quite a few lower mainland districts is also worth highlighting. I don't expect the greens to 'win', but it's still worth watching what they do / where the spend resources, given that they have a new untested leader. Are they not fielding candidates in those ridings because they don't want to split votes / dedicate limited resources to races they don't think they can win? Who knows. But scrutiny of the greens is warranted. I shouldn't have to remind you how much of a cluster fuck the federal greens were under Annamie Paul -- a mark on their record that cost them many longtime supporters, and is a situation that drove away many moderate-green leaning voters. She and the federal greens are basically the poster child for "DEI is fucking stupid" too, which is just... I mean fuck me, they fucked up equity stuff so badly that they practically handed right-wingers a gift basket.

Regardless, you don't need to imagine insults to the greens everywhere -- I'm sure you have far too many subs to astro turf with your biased news spam to question every "not positive and glowing" comment about the greens on the site.

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Sunshine 0 points 7 days ago

You’re not fun to be around, every news source seems based to someone and astroturfing is when you claim another nationality when you’re not and make lies.

Good luck being a neoliberal.

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dermanus 9 points 10 days ago

So a vote split between Greens and NDP leads to a Conservative majority?

A Bob Rae situation that puts the Greens in charge would be funny but seems unlikely.

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Canconda 4 points 9 days ago

Nah cuz most of those green votes are in at most 3 green strongholds. Same with conservatives; a non-negligible number of that 44.7% is gonna be packed into like 3 ridings in the interior.

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dermanus 2 points 9 days ago

Official Opposition then, when the NDP voters stay home.

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Sunshine 2 points 9 days ago

Many greens strategically vote except in 5 ridings where the candidates are strong.

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GodofLies 8 points 9 days ago

I keep seeing people saying 'NDP has been in power long enough', 'their policies suck', 'they spend too much'.

Well hello, it's easier to spend than save. Who gutted BC's crown corps? Oh right the BC Liberals/BC Conservatives/BC United side. NDP has literally just been playing 'keeping shit together' since 2017.

Let's face it, the province has been effectively hollowed out by 16 years of BC Libs. Go on, tell me how you're going to somehow undo 16 years of faux 'balanced budgets' (vast majority of it was selling BC's assets and cutting budgets that won't have an immediate effect, but never reinstated) with only 9 years.

16 years compared to 9 years. Tell me how one can somehow make more wealth in less time than you spent it as a government body.

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Pyr_Pressure 2 points 9 days ago

16 years of faux 'balanced budgets'

Not only that, they need to patch things back up together while 6 of the 9 years in power have pretty much been in a terrible global economy. The libs fucked shit u awhile in a great economy for the most part.

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AGM 7 points 10 days ago

The BC Cons are a disaster. The chaos in their own party is entirely of their own making through being both completely incompetent and not even trustworthy to each other. They've barely been able to manage holding themselves together. BC voters potentially giving them a chance to run the province when it looks like they couldn't organize a hotdog eating contest is basically choosing self-inflicted brain injury as a governance position. Just nuts.

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avidamoeba 4 points 10 days ago

The fact they're leading is that much more of an indictment on the NDP's maneuver.

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Canconda 3 points 9 days ago

That doesn't factor in how most conservatives are packed into a handful of voting districts.

Conservatives literally have to put the words Liberal or Social in their party name to win in this province.

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avidamoeba 3 points 9 days ago

I mean.. I'd love to see that but let's see.

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Sunshine 2 points 8 days ago

There's ways to get the 3 bears to fight in crucial moments. Polar bear, black bear and grizzly bears strongly disagree with each other.

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Sunshine 2 points 8 days ago

John Horgan was more popular than bean counter David Eby. Maybe the latter should've been a finance minister this whole time.

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TheFeatureCreature 7 points 11 days ago

My guess is NDP minority with Green coalition and another election in a year where the Cons take a majority.

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garbagebagel 6 points 10 days ago

I think that if the NDP is somehow able to squeak out a minority here (polls indicate otherwise), then they might have a chance in the future if they changed their leadership. They won't though.

I am really worried that the cons will come into power, but I really don't see the NDP coming out of this one alive with Eby at the helm.

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avidamoeba 6 points 10 days ago

And they prolly shouldn't, or Eby will stay. He has to go after this.

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Sunshine 4 points 9 days ago

Especially since David Eby squashed proportional representation from passing and John Horgan made the mistake of allowing the elites to sabotage electoral reform in the form of a referendum.

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avidamoeba 2 points 9 days ago

Always the same shit isn't it..

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Sunshine 2 points 9 days ago

Supply and Confidence agreements can work in Canada.

The BC NDP sabotaged electoral reform by putting proportional representation for a referendum in 2017 while the greens just wanted it passed in the legislative assembly.

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theacharnian 6 points 9 days ago

Should have passed through proportional representation without stupid plebiscites.

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Sunshine 4 points 9 days ago

I hate how Adrianne Carr opposed proportional representation in 2005.

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OldCrow 3 points 9 days ago path: 0 26217748, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
peacepath 1 point 9 days ago

Is there a second turn in Canada? How does it work?

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atrizzy -23 points 10 days ago

Im probably in the minority here but will be voting Con due to the promised tax hikes.

Sorry, NDP. I voted for you last time. You cant just bankrupt the province, threaten income tax hikes, PST inclusions, and not expect normal left-leaners to say anything.

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ILikeBoobies 12 points 10 days ago

You can't help people with capitalism, you'll always be at the mercy of the capitalists and end up hurting the workers.

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Rentlar 11 points 10 days ago

Conservatives have shown themselves incredibly poor fiscal stewards across Canada. When they say they run government like a business, it is more like in a "make numbers look rosy this quarter, next quarter is someone else's problem" way, as opposed to a business that intends to last into the long term. My biggest concern is that the province's assets will be sold off by the BC Cons to pretend the budget hole is filled in whatever year they feel like they need to pretend they are fiscally responsible.

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Sunshine 3 points 8 days ago

The BC cons are not done with the legislature raids.

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corsicanguppy 7 points 10 days ago

Im probably in the minority here but will be voting Con due to the promised tax hikes.

It's fun to envision the hokey reason the cons will dream up to reduce services for the normal people. Looks like it's their old standby: "taxes too high" and "gov too big".

Yeah. Let's all be Alberta, when we could be Sweden or Denmark.

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NSAbot 2 points 10 days ago

I was interested in this comparison so I did a small amount of research on total cost of living in Vancouver vs Stockholm Sweden for a high earner like a doctor, lawyer @$330k CAD with a modest 3 bedroom home (townhouse) along with the proposed NDP tax increases. This is the conclusion. High earners under the proposed system in Vancouver get the high taxes of Sweden with the high cost of living of right wing capitalism:

  • You save more cash in Stockholm:Despite losing an extra $1,717 CAD every single month to Swedish income taxes, the structural sanity of the Swedish housing market saves you $3,091 CAD a month in raw mortgage math. This leaves you with roughly $1,380 CAD more surplus cash per month in Stockholm.
  • The Equity Difference: In Vancouver, you are building equity on a larger asset ($1.27M vs $912k), but you are heavily exposed to interest rate volatility. If rates jump 1% at renewal in Canada, your budget breaks. In Sweden, your exposure is mitigated by the interest tax write-off.
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Sunshine 3 points 8 days ago

Alberta is next door buddy.

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atrizzy -2 points 6 days ago

BC is my home, as it happens.

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ohshit604 -4 points 10 days ago

As much as it pains me to be a single issue voter I have to vote conservative, every other party has an issue with firearms and intends to criminalize me for something I purchased legally and only got to use once before being turned into a safe-queen.

Shitty because I share quite a lot of liberal values, I just cant justify voting for a party that for the last 6 years has lied to Canadians claiming folks who legally own firearms are the cause to the increase in firearm related crime.

Hell not to mention our piss poor self defence laws.

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Canconda 5 points 10 days ago

intends to criminalize me for something I purchased legally

Are you referring to the Firearm Violence Prevention Act? AFAICT the only way any legal and responsible gun owner would become a criminal under this legislation is if they're bringing an emotional support gun to school/church/daycare.

Regardless do you care to elaborate?

I do have concerns about governments disarming the populace. At the same time I like living in a society where lethal force isn't omnipresent.

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ohshit604 2 points 9 days ago

I’m referring to the “Assault Style Compensation Program” or what most of us call the confiscation program.

This started after the 2020 Nova Scotia mass shooting involving an individual who murdered 2 police officers, dressed up as an aforementioned officer, and went on a mass killing spree murdering a total of 22 individuals.

Justin Trudeau a month after this incident prohibited 1500 makes and models of firearms and any variants of the firearms via Order In Council, so this did not go through Parliament or the House of Commons, ultimately the prohibitions would’ve not at all prevented the mass shooting In NS whatsoever as the perpetrator obtained their firearms illegally to begin with.

Now that we’re 6 years into this prohibition, up to 2400 makes and models (including all variants) of firearms are now prohibited and with a public safety minister who was caught on a open mic disavowing the program claiming that he did not believe it was an effective public safety measure but kept chugging along as it was a promise Mark Carney made in his election campaign.

The firearms types that were prohibited also include the .22Lr variants, if you don’t know what a .22Lr is refer to the image below it’s the top row 12th from the left, essentially a caliber you use to teach beginners on firearm handling and safety (or plinking pop cans out in the wilderness).


Cutting this off here as it’s already a long comment, I moderate /c/ca_firearms_rights@lemmy.halstead.host if you want more information regarding firearm ownership in Canada shoot me a dm! (pun intended)

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avidamoeba 1 point 9 days ago

I appreci te the fact that you're around in this space. As a non gun owner and a bare understander, wouldn't I want a good non-AR15 looking long gun anyway? Would that qualify as assault-style rifle?

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Sunshine 3 points 8 days ago

You're clearly have more conservative values than the gun issue evident in your posting history.

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Pyr_Pressure 3 points 9 days ago

I mean, this is a provincial election. I don't think provinces really have that much control over gun policy? That's more federal.

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ohshit604 1 point 8 days ago

I don't think provinces really have that much control over gun policy? That's more federal.

While you’re correct that firearm policies & the Canadian Firearms Program is associated more closely with the federal government opposed to individual provinces however, the sale of goods and services and property rights have historically been left up to the provinces to decide, it’s unusual for the federal government to outright prohibit thousands of items that have been 1) approved by the RCMP and 2) for sale in this country for decades without registration (except in Quebec, all firearms must be registered upon sale).

Saskatchewan found a nifty loop-hole in the firearms act, essentially government employees can posses prohibited firearm so long as the province approves it, so Saskatchewan appointed a firearms commissioner who’s job is to hire firearms owners, firearms owners enter an agreement with Saskatchewan government that they will sell their firearm to the federal government after they receive what is to be fair market value, this allows firearms owners to hold onto their firearms indefinitely until the federal government pays them for what it’s actually worth.

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Pyr_Pressure 2 points 8 days ago

So you are mad the provincial NDP didn't force through a loophole like Saskatchewan did? Which probably comes with a lot of liability and extra expenditures for new regulatory processes, forms, paperwork, redtape, etc.

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