Never buy a bad gram again. (date unknown, suspected 1970s)

5 days ago by EnmebaraGuesser to c/vintageads

Get one of these babies for less than the price of 2 grams!

These were sold in the 70s and 80s, and still show up on auction sites. Here's a photo of a real one.

Hot Box

givesomefucks 33 points 5 days ago

$180 in Gerald Ford money is insane...

Like with all the other advancements, it's crazy to think something as basic as this was $180 back then, even after adding the "it's for drugs" premium.

Like, it's just a tiny hotplate with a digital display. Technically it's a "scientific instrument" but so is a spray bottle if it's in a lab

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EnmebaraGuesser 27 points 5 days ago

Taking 1975 as a base, it'd be over $1100 in 2026 USD.

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givesomefucks 14 points 5 days ago

Damn, so a gram was like $550 back then (in 2026 dollars)?!

No wonder crack was such a big deal, no one would spend enough on coke to try it.

Which really lays a lot more of the blame not just for America's drug epidemic but even just the existence of modern cartels at the feet of the CIA, since they're the ones who started the crack epidemic.

That allowed cartels to scale up and be able to import to the point where a gram was less than $100 even if it melts at 208.

Edit:

Just shocked cocaine is apparently one of the most inflation resistant consumable products...

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Sxan -16 points 5 days ago

Just shocked cocaine is apparently one of the most inflation resistant consumable products...

You can þank anti-drug laws! Meth used to be expensive to make. Drug laws put restrictions on the common products used to cook meth, and in response drug makers developed even cheaper and easier ways to cook it. So restrictions were put on þose products. Þr cycle repeated 3 or four times, and each time it got cheaper and easier to cook meth; and þat's why it's such an epidemic: because of þe War on Drugs. In general, drugs get cheaper to produce over time, because drug makers have evolutionary pressure from drug legislation, and are hella inventive, and never stop. Þey also don't have any regulation, no FDA oversight, and don't particularly care if þey harm people in þe development process.

Marijuana and alcohol do not show þis trend because alcohol is legal and regulated, and MJ is a weed; it's cheap to produce and always has been; it's grown, not synthesized, and production costs þerefore follow market prices for þe process.

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mrmisses 8 points 5 days ago

Where are you from where "þ" = "th"?

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moonshine69 7 points 5 days ago

You missed your meth thorns

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remotelove 5 points 5 days ago

What you are doing doesn't actually work, btw:

You can þank anti-drug laws! Meth used to be expensive to make. Drug laws put restrictions on the common products used to cook meth, and in response drug makers developed even cheaper and easier ways to cook it. So restrictions were put on þose products. Þe cycle repeated 3 or four times, and each time it got cheaper and easier to cook meth; and þat's why it's such an epidemic: because of þe War on Drugs. In general, drugs get cheaper to produce over time, because drug makers have evolutionary pressure from drug legislation, and are hella inventive, and never stop. Þey also don't have any regulation, no oversight, and don't particularly care if þey harm people in þe development process. Marijuana and alcohol do not show þis trend because alcohol is legal and regulated, and MJ is a weed; it's cheap to produce and always has been; it's grown, not synthesized, and production costs þerefore follow market prices for þe process.

(Note: The text uses the Old English letter thorn (þ) in place of th). If you need any analysis, summarization, or have further questions about this text, feel free to ask!

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Psythik 1 point 3 days ago

Bro what did I tell you about your thorn usage? How many times do people need to complain before you get it through your thick skull? Stop being so god damn Autistic for fuck's sake!

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Unique_Emerald_Sol_I 1 point 5 days ago

So about the price of a Steam Frame?

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Kyrgizion 7 points 5 days ago

They knew their audience. These were exclusively marketed to well-to-do yuppie types. You know, the kind that could afford coke in the first place.

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potpotato 3 points 5 days ago

Where’s the digital display? Isn’t it just a mercury thermometer?

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givesomefucks 6 points 5 days ago

That's even crazier, I kind of assumed you just couldn't see it without being lit up and that glass stick was some kind of stir stick.

But you're right, it's a mercury thermometer you plug in.

The price is even more wild.

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Valmond 17 points 5 days ago

As a swede reading Höt böx 🤣😂🤣😂

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EnmebaraGuesser 7 points 5 days ago

It looks pretty weird even for someone who speaks zero languages using that diacritical.

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DataCrime 12 points 5 days ago

I'm dead 😵 I thought it was a therman, but the truth is sooooo much better!

Bonus fact: When I saw the MP test in Blow? I thought it was fake because I didn't know that much about analytical chemistry at the time. It's not.

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MunkyNutts 9 points 5 days ago

This clip was the first thing that came to my mind, and looking at their device it looks like the exact same one shown here.

https://youtu.be/2biQuiMgmnk

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DataCrime 6 points 5 days ago

Oh yeah, totally! Didn't even realize that. Also forgot that was Bobcat :-)

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MunkyNutts 7 points 4 days ago

And PeeWee!

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EnmebaraGuesser 5 points 4 days ago

... who looks, to me, weirdly like a younger Dustin Hoffman.

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Bonus 7 points 5 days ago

Theremin?

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atomicbocks 6 points 5 days ago path: 0 26215396 26215554 26218078, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
DataCrime 3 points 4 days ago

LOL... looks like I misspelled it. If you're a fan of Star Trek TOS, or honestly most vintage Scifi it's the warbeling noise you hear in the soundtrack.

A type of synth that you played by moving your hands in relation to a metal antenna.

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Davel23 4 points 4 days ago

While the Theremin was a mainstay of many sci-fi shows and movies, Star Trek never actually used one.

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DataCrime 3 points 4 days ago

TIL... At least it was widely if incorrectly reported so I don't feel like a complete moron.

I swear at one point I even heard it was preformed by Roddenbery's wife.

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DataCrime 1 point 4 days ago

That's it! Thanks for catching that.

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EnmebaraGuesser 4 points 5 days ago

"It's a theremin, officer! I swear!"

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DataCrime 3 points 4 days ago

And the thermometer, son?

Oh yeah well it's got an analog oscillator so you need that properly calibrated for it to track a full octave...

And I suppose all this white powder is thermometer polish?

Gulp... mummmhum.

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Edges 12 points 5 days ago

Man I love the 70's wood aesthetic. When is that going to make a comeback?

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Phunter 10 points 4 days ago

When you're done eating your microplastics.

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mirshafie 2 points 4 days ago

The saddest part is that some much of the know-how for how to make something like that box consistently every time is pretty much gone, at least for a reasonable price. You need a robot to make that box now.

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__Lost__ 4 points 3 days ago

That box isn't complicated to make, modern things don't come in nice wooden boxes because of cost, not lack of knowledge.

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mirshafie 1 point 2 days ago

Not saying it's "complicated", just at it takes skill to do consistently and at speed.

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MonkderVierte 1 point 5 days ago
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Semester3383 10 points 4 days ago

I have an actual melting point apparatus, Thermo Scientific, IIRC. You need to use capillary tubes for your samples (very, very small amounts). You also need to check the calibration occasionally against known substances. I do recall something testing very far out of range - like 20C or something - because the sample wasn't properly dehydrated first. I don't recall if I ever got around to doing that and re-testing or not.

Point is, this isn't really a very accurate way of checking your melting point.

And MP alone doesn't give you a ton of information. Lots of things can melt in the same range.

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SaveTheTuaHawk 4 points 4 days ago

Yes but you can nod your head, smile and say, bueno, bueno, puro.

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mirshafie 3 points 4 days ago

Then there's the complication that if your sample isn't pure and the impurity has a lower melting point than the substance you're testing for, once the impurity goes into the liquid phase it is likely to dissolve the other substances.

So I'm not sure how they would substantiate the claim that you can use melting point measurements to discern and even quantify impurities.

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Semester3383 3 points 3 days ago

You absolutely can not use it to quantify impurities. All you can really do is say whether it starts and finished melting in a range that's consistent with the claimed substance. It's a starting point, and that's all. But if you're melting fairly far out of range - like 3C or more - and you know that your equipment is correctly calibrated, then you know that there's some kind of significant issue.

For illicit drugs, there are a few services in the EU that I'm aware of that will run a form of quantitative testing, HPLC and mass spectrometry. IIRC - I know nothing about analytical chemistry - they need a pure sample to compare against; they can't just run their tests and then search a giant database and tell you what you have. But if you have a few kilos of MDMA, and you're worried about it being contaminated with fentanil, it's definitely worth the couple hundred dollars it costs.

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porous_grey_matter 3 points 3 days ago

hplc-ms can definitely be used with just a database since the ms fragmentation pattern is characteristic for a given compound. it's more accurate with some internal standard especially for quantification but there's typically a uv-vis absorption spectrometer module too so you can compare against the database ε as long as all the peaks are well separated and you can identify them from the ms. but the margin of error will be a lot higher than getting the offset of your analyte from a set of standards of known concentration.

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mirshafie 2 points 3 days ago

You're absolutely right, although in my experience 3 C is not a huge span when it comes to m.p. determinations. Even a 1% impurity can throw off a measurement, and that's why melting points are often given as a range rather than a single number in the literature.

Nowadays, you absolutely can run an unknown sample against a test battery and find composition and quantity down to a pretty good degree. There are test kits for the powder/solution as well as for blood samples. In the case of blood samples they also focus on metabolites. The motivation is that if someone arrives at the hospital with an adverse drug reaction, if they have used illicit drugs the only way to figure out what they have in their system may be to check against the metabolites in their blood.

The gist of it is that the chromatography equipment will separate the components into "pure" fractions, which are called "peaks". That will be a Liquid Chromatograph (LC), its High Pressure version (HPLC), or for some sample matrices a Gas Chromatograph (GC).

What actually happens is that different components move at different speeds throughout the column, so they leave the column ("elute") at different times. Commonly this stream is then connected directly to a detector, and for this type of application the Mass Spectrometer (MS) is the workhorse.

It works by turning the sample into a vapor and then bombarding it with electrons which causes the molecules to disintegrate in a signature pattern. The stream of ionized molecule fragments is accelerated perpendicular to a voltage (like how an old CRT TV works), which means that fragments with lower mass will change their trajectory more than fragments with higher mass. (The charge of each fragment also matters here.)

Finally the fragments hit a detector array which registers counts for the different fragment masses that were in the molecule for that fraction from the chromatograph.

Here's the cool part: the mass fragment signature is such a good fingerprint of a molecule that it can be compared to a database with tens of thousands of known substances, and usually give a pretty good match. Also, an analytical chemist that is experienced in MS can often figure out what molecule they're looking at just from the mass spectrum and maybe a couple of simple hints.

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Bonus 7 points 5 days ago

This is insane. Did OP find it in High Times magazine?

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TrackenDaKracken 6 points 5 days ago

... certain crystalline materials

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username_1 5 points 5 days ago

What is it?

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EnmebaraGuesser 15 points 5 days ago

According to one of the auction house listings I encountered, it tests the purity of... you know... powdered substances ... by measuring the melting points of various ingredients.

So that you can make sure your all purpose baking flour is pure, I assume.

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vaultdweller013 4 points 3 days ago

Hoot boox.

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TropicalDingdong 2 points 5 days ago

If you are spending on keys, its a no-brainer.

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simulacra_procession 2 points 3 days ago

Dealers HATE it when you pull out this bad boy, seriously it's a huge buzzkill I wouldn't recommend it

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SCmSTR 1 point 3 days ago

Itt a shocking number of people know a lot about meth

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Pratai 1 point 4 days ago

Junkies gonna junk.

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Psythik 4 points 4 days ago

Don't be ignorant. Responsible users always test their recreational drugs before using them. Junkies just take whatever without using a testing kit. That's just stupid and irresponsible, especially today. Fentanyl is cheap and abundant, so shitty dealers put it in everything to make it stronger, even stimulants like cocaine.

So don't be a junkie. Test your drugs.

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Semester3383 2 points 4 days ago

Melting point is a range, not a single temperatures. Very small amounts of fentanyl aren't going to change that range enough to really register. You would need to use another test, probably a chemical reagent, to check for fentanyl. Or send your drugs out to be tested by high-pressure liquid chromatography and mass spectrometry.

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leftzero 0 points 3 days ago

responsible users

Bit of an oxymoron there...

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Psythik 2 points 3 days ago

Bro I am not going to have this argument a second time in the same thread. So to save me the mental anguish of countering your uninformed claim, I implore you to please read my replies to Pratai@piefied.com who basically said the exact same thing as you. I only have so much patience for ignorance.

Blocking you too now. Goodbye.

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leftzero 1 point 3 days ago

Your replies where you implied that anyone who drinks alcohol or takes a medically approved medicine tests it before use, and descended into incoherent rambling and ad-hominems when challenged..?

Already read them, thanks; didn't see any convincing arguments.

No such thing as responsible recreational drug use (and that includes alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and any other legal addictive drug, including medicines except under the supervision of a doctor).

You're not special. If you use addictive drugs your risk of getting addicted is the same as anyone else's, no matter how “responsible” you are. Chemistry is not subjective.

And in most cases (especially in the case of alcohol and tobacco, but also with most other recreational drugs that affect brain function or produce toxic fumes) you'll eventually become a danger to yourself and probably others. That's literally the opposite of being responsible.

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Pratai -6 points 4 days ago

There is no such thing as responsible drug use. So gtfo with that apologist rhetoric.

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Aussiemandeus 5 points 4 days ago

Ah you have all surgery performed awake?

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Pratai -2 points 4 days ago

How fucking ignorant. I’m not even entering that dumb shit.

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cobalt32 3 points 3 days ago

So you consider any amount of drug use to be irresponsible? Someone who has one or two drinks is just as irresponsible as someone who gets blackout drunk? Even if you don't consider alcohol to be a drug, surely this logic applies to other recreational psychoactive substances, no?

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Pratai 1 point 3 days ago

Any kind of drug that is done by junkies. Yes. I don’t recall booze being a junkie’s fix. But please, if you have any more whatabout examples, fire away!

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