Coffee machine uses 1,000GB of traffic in 10 days, leaves IT Pro shocked
a day ago by schizoidman to c/technology
But how else am i going to operate them? In-person?
I personally have found it most convenient to put my detergent and clothes in the machine, then drive out to a spot where i can get some free wi-fi. Perhaps the Starbucks in the next town over. So, 15-min drive to Starbucks (and grab a PSL since 'tis the season) and then log onto their free wi-fi, then log into my account on Whirlpool's app on my phone. Click on My Washer, select a cycle, water temperature, rinse options, etc. and press Start Cycle. By the time i get back home, the washer is almost done. I wait around an extra 10 mins or so for the cycle to finish once I'm back home, move the washed clothes into the dryer, and I'm back on the road! I've opted to start using the public library as my secondary wi-fi spot (when they're open, at least), so another 15-min drive and I'm back on the app ready to commence a drying cycle! A few choice button pushes (the app really is streamlined) and my dryer is tumbling and heating like it's nobody's business.
A connected coffee pot has a lure to it. You preload it. Sleep. Wake up. As you’re browsing Lemmy in bed, you tap your phone to start the morning coffee. The aroma reaches you in bed, letting you know hot fresh coffee is waiting for you, making it easier to get out of bed.
It’s not enough of a temptation for me to go buy a connected drip coffee pot, but I’m betting that’s why people do it.
If you have an analog switch to turn it on, you can even use a wall timer to have it automatically start. It’s further off-track from the intention, but if you’re hellbent on yelling at something, you could connect it to a smart outlet.
Why even add that complication of a secondary device? Programmable coffee makers are like $30 and they last forever. I've been using my Walmart cheapo machine for 20+ years. This is a totally solved problem.
Shelly smart outlet + homeassistant + dumb coffee maker = genius coffee maker.
Just recently set this up, but with a zigbee energy monitoring smart plug. I recently got a Technivorm Moccamaster for $175 that has a physical toggle switch for power and another for the hot plate. Turn them both on, grind the beans and fill the water tank the night before, then set up an automation to turn the smart plug on when the lights go on in the morning, and boom, coffee is ready by the time I stumble into the kitchen, narrowly avoiding death by tripping over hungry cats.
Since it's an energy monitoring smart plug, I could add a bit to the automation to cut the power when the watts drop after the float switch in the water tank automatically flips and turns off the boiler, or I could just tell the automation to cut the power 5 minutes after turning on, OR, as I discovered when I messed up the automation, the Moccamaster can actually physically FLIP ITS OWN POWER SWITCH OFF automatically if it's been on for over 100 minutes because it has a freaking tiny SOLENOID built into the power switch assembly that will mechanically move the toggle switch into the off position, physically cutting the power to the unit, which you'll want to account for in the automation, because it won't work if the power switch is turned off.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk. I mostly just wanted to tell someone that my coffee maker has a tiny solenoid, because no one in my house really cares.
You know I’ve found the store bought stuff is now way worse that the occasionally tempermental homeassistant stuff. I’m playing with migrating Shelly’s to esphome since they dragged their feet on thread for so long and their latest zigbee firmware is laggy and annoying.
Outlet timer + dumb coffee maker = genius coffee maker...but cheaper, and simpler and doesn't randomly break because an update fucked something up in HA (again) so your automation isn't running today.
Also yes. My response was more about showing you can have a modern smarthome that does not talk to the internet. You can of course automate without.
bonus points for z-wave/zigbee only devices without wlan/bluetooth connectivityy
Shelly outlets can do zigbee and BT without wifi now, thread soon in a firmware update or now with esphome.
I've had good luck with locally connected devices (zwave and zigbee usually). I have a bunch of light switches, temperature sensors, etc. But I bet local connected stuff is hard to find for appliances.
My coffee maker broke out of containment and played a bunch of video games during work hours at my office. Crazy what these AIs are doing.
My Smart AI Powered Candle™ 5G ultra min-max* Blue and Yellow™ Hue Smart Ultra Adapter Plus + Vegan and Eco Friendly Air Conditioning Low Callory Ambient ASMR Battery Powered Candle with RGB and ADHD with ABCD Military Grade Smart Light smart candle went rouge and went out and broke 4 Flock cameras just yesterday. It was the model with 16gb DDR5 RAM and 2TB of internal SSD storage, if that helps to identify the issue. We really might be reaching AGI soon... I'm scared for our future.
(sidenote how does one spell callory?) calory, callary, callorie, kckallaru?
Why the fuck does a coffee machine need the internet.
Watching porn. Griding those beans, hnnnfggh...🥵
it sickens me that this is funny to me
Upvoted because more people need this inflicted upon them.
streaming porn while its brewing a crappy keurig cup.
To spy on everyone in your household and try to sell you more garbage coffee pods.
So you can control it remotely, obviously. It's not like it's a new thing :P
To become part of a bot net.
its a keurig machine apparently, probably the most expensive ones.
I'm not opposed to the concept of smart appliances. Getting a phone notification when my load of laundry is done. Remotely starting the oven preheat. Having the humidifier interact with the thermostat automatically. Blinds that open on a schedule to gently wake you with natural light.
For the record, I don't have any of these things, but I like the ideas of them. It's the kind of stuff I was wide eyed and hopeful about as a sci fi loving kid.
The problem with ask these things is not the connectivity ideas, imho; it's pretty much capitalism. These things can't exist in a way that doesn't also spy on you, build a profile that knows you better than yourself, and sells every last morsel of information to not just the highest bidder, but every bidder.
And to be clear, I don't mean can't on a technical level.
you can do this with home assistant and z-wave / zigbee sensors. but you have to do it yourself and this takes time and knowledge.
Commercial products can't do this from a business case level. There are ways you can achieve this on a technical level, but it is very much DIY at this point. I hope to slowly implement this over the next while until I have a system that works for me, uses no cloud or corporate servers, and is possibly accessible from outside my home (that's a security challenge and I may not be up to it).
Tired of seeing this sensationalist X post reposted.
Keurig machines are everywhere. Has anyone verified this? Don't give x users this much attention. What kind of IT expert posts on X? Smart enough to know better, but supporting fascism nonetheless - worst of the worst.
"Nomad said that most of the suspicious traffic didn’t escape the network. He has a hypothesis that the unit was simply affected by a bug. Nomad said he has over 10 years of experience in IT and works as a Technical Field and Community Specialist at the 3D printer manufacturer Prusa."
Absolutely what I thought. I love how everyone assumed it was hacked... In the 20 years I have been at my job we have had a particular model of desk phone that it happened to twice and when it did it creates a network storm and tanks your entire network (at the time this company did not have proper vlans in place which would have mitigated the issue). You trace it to the device and reboot it and everything is fine again. The phones were still replaced just in case, but that was always one of the wilder ones here. My guess is this was something similar and since it's his older parents they probably didnt even notice the network being bogged down.
"After rebooting the device and reconnecting it to a segregated virtual LAN (VLAN), the issue did not reappear."
Why even bother? Is it actually required to have an internet connection? If so get rid of it, thats so dumb and intrusive... and if not just turn off wifi on it, why even leave it on at all.
I attended a talk by someone who hacked his ceiling fan. He discovered that the remote’s circuit board was so poorly done that every time you press a button, it sends out the signal 20 times. He was wondering why the batteries kept dying quickly on the remote, and that was why.
I assume most people browse all communities on Lemmy like I do since it's default. Everything gets posted to mulitple communities, it's just a thing. I see the most common stuff hit Lemmy like a dozen times.
Nothing particularly wrong with that, it's just how things work.
Pod coffee machines are a businesses dream. Lock in the customers. And then don't care about the plastic and foil waste per cup you create in order to do this. No surprise if they do other bad things. Visiting friends and they show you their pod machine? Ask them what happens with the used pod? Do them a favour and tell them there is a better way. Such as coffee machines that you put beans in. No not Heinz baked beans you moron! Coffee beans that produce only bio degradable waste. And freshly ground tastes great. No chemicals added.
Wasting your internet is trivial compared to the landfill waste created.
Why the fuck would you connect a coffee machine to the internet?
What advantage would you have? Anyway it requires a pod to be inserted manually, so it's not that you can operate remotely.
"But one day I could get a new setting for a new kind of recipe"
What kind of "recipe", it's just putting pressurized boiling water in a cup.
The only kind of update this machine will ever get is a DRM to block compatible/unofficial pods
BTW 10gb downloaded in 10 days is also not bad
Keurig
Oh for fucks sake, IMO people buying that shit are asking for it.
I completely stopped buying Pickwick tea because now they are owned by Keurig.
Something that is a bit cumbersome to find out because they have removed that fact yet another level from the Pickwick wikipedia page.
But Pickwick -> Douwe Egberts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickwick_(brand)
Douwe Egberts -> JDE Peet's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douwe_Egberts
JDE Peet's -> Keurig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDE_Peet's
It's well hidden, owner or parent isn't even stated on the Pickwick page anymore! You have to comb the text to find that! But I checked it out because my favorite tea was no longer available where I shop tea, and the closest alternative was Pickwick, but since Pickwick is now owned by Keurig, I refuse to buy that crap.
Be vigilant! Don't buy American, and don't buy from companies who's business model is to provide lesser products at higher prices. Keurig is both.
if the idea is to command the machine to brew while you're stil in bed, bluetooth is enough connectivity, unless you live in a big house, but what i know, i use aeropress
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Wow! It's almost as though random household appliances shouldn't be connected to the internet
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