Not all history teachers though

3 days ago by RmDebArc_5 to c/leftymemes

partial_accumen 50 points 3 days ago

You hear that Anarchists? The Marxists are calling you liars! /s

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infinitesunrise 40 points 2 days ago

I'm a self-identified anarchist and marxist. His theories are foundational, but he's been dead 143 years so unless you're some fundamentalist weirdo you're adapting his theories, not wielding them like scripture.

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ILikeBoobies 3 points 2 days ago

He's an economist, his economic theories hold up today.

Not sure what it has to do with history though, there's a lot of history that happened before him.

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Zombie 3 points 2 days ago

Bakunin says "what?"

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infinitesunrise 5 points 2 days ago

Bookchin says yo

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Zombie 1 point 2 days ago

That's actually somebody I've not read any of yet despite being on the list for some time. Any particular recommendations?

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Fuckfuckmyfuckingass 18 points 2 days ago

Don't worry we're used to doing all the work and getting shot in the back.

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gibmiser 37 points 3 days ago

I dunno man, I have a friend with a bachelor's in history. He's full maga. Some people just like authoritarians...

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baines 30 points 2 days ago

they assume they are the in group… lol

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BooBees 8 points 2 days ago

Or they’re in trouble somehow and hope the in group will protect them

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subverted_per 28 points 2 days ago

There's a lot of history buffs that just hard believe in the great man threory. And god damn do they wanna lick some geeat man boots.

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spacegoat 1 point 2 days ago
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deadbeef79000 35 points 3 days ago

Unironically, yes.

Source: Student of History.

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rockSlayer 29 points 2 days ago

The realization that US history requirements for education subtlely strips the political situation from the history felt like a revelation

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NotAnOtter 14 points 2 days ago

In ~10th grade public school a buddy told me "You know this all like complete BS right? Like this is not what happened, it's just a propaganda version of events" and I thought he was just a conspiracy nut.

But uuuuuuuh nope! Public school US history curriculum is basically just propaganda.

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arrow74 4 points 2 days ago

The AP courses weren't as bad when I was in. Of course the closer you got to modern day it did get skewed more. Learned a lot of accurate history on Jim Crow, the civil war, and reconstruction. The revolution and civil rights movement were probably the least accurate.

Of course these classes had to teach for the AP tests designed by an independent national board not by the state government

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NotAnOtter 29 points 2 days ago

I dislike strawmans so this argument always irks me.

Teachers are left leaning because people with left leaning predilections tend to choose teaching as a career. There are multiple models to explain this but the most relevant is the idea that lefties tend to order their moral hierarchy "outward in" (World > Society > community > family > self) and righies tend to reverse that order (self > family > community > society > world)

The type of person that morally prioritizes the broader world & society will be more inclined to learn about it and also to teach it.

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theneverfox 12 points 2 days ago

I don't think that's true. I mean I'm a leftist and I'd order it closer to what you say is conservatism, because I want to be happy and that means I want to be surrounded by good and happy people in a thriving world

I do good things because it makes my life better. It makes my brain release happy chemicals, it makes my environment just a tiny bit better, it makes me feel good about myself. It makes the people around me say pleasant things and care about my well being

Nearly everyone becomes more left leaning as they become more educated, because the more you learn the more you come to realize we're all in this together.

Education ultimately helps you to understand a simple truth - that you and everyone you care about would be better off and happier poor in a good society than on top in a bad one

It's not about personal values or beliefs, greater understanding of the world simply opens your eyes to the fact that the way humanity has organized itself sucks. We could do so much better... The more you learn the more you understand this.

It's a lack of understanding and imagination that causes people to act against their own interests, not a difference in values

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NotAnOtter 10 points 2 days ago

You claimed to have an inward-out moral hierarchy but the rest of you comment demonstrated the opposite. "we’re all in this together.", "better off and happier poor in a good society than on top in a bad one", "the way humanity has organized itself sucks. We could do so much better". These are all statements that imply you would take actions that are objectively worse for you + your immediate community if it benefited the broader society. People that feel that way tend to be left leaning. E.x.

  • Vote to increase taxes that would affect you
  • Let's assume you own a gun for arguments sake, you would still vote for gun control
  • Prefer to not be in a war even if it objectively benefited your countries economy

Many conservatives would rather be rich in a worse society, for example. Or that humanities organization doesn't really matter so long as they can do what they want when they want.

That said this is just one model. I'm not claiming it applies to everyone.--

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theneverfox 3 points 2 days ago

You claimed to have an inward-out moral hierarchy but the rest of you comment demonstrated the opposite. "we’re all in this together.", "better off and happier poor in a good society than on top in a bad one", "the way humanity has organized itself sucks. We could do so much better". These are all statements that imply you would take actions that are objectively worse for you + your immediate community if it benefited the broader society. People that feel that way tend to be left leaning.

Here's the thing... These sentiments are objectively true. I know these things because of my education, just the same as I know "opposites attract" does not stand up to empirical analysis. We are actually all in this together, and living poor in a society that takes care of the poor is does actually lead to higher happiness than living rich in an inequal one

You talk about actions that are worse for me - I'm not so sure I'd do something that's actually worse for me. I'm not that selfless

What I will do is take actions that prioritize the long term over instant gratification, or give up something direct for the sake of something less direct or even something ephemeral

Some of that is that I have a lot of empathy, being around someone suffering or someone full of hatred feels bad. But my political positions all come from sociological analysis - growing up my positions were closer to anarcho-capitalists because I love freedom, and now I'm very left leaning because I learned

I spend a lot of time around conservative people, and their values aren't very different. They want what we all want - they want life to be affordable, they want a future for the children, they want to live in a thriving world.

The difference is they don't understand how things can be better. They don't understand that they're voting against their own interests. They don't understand that their perceived enemies are just like them, people who just want to live a good life

They see the state of the world, and they believe others are out to get them. They think everyone has bad intentions, and so they must "play the game" and get theirs before someone else does it first

And they're often not actually bad people, they can be as generous as anyone and sometimes have a strong will to help others, so long as they feel it's not their perceived enemies

They choose short term benefits and to disadvantage others, because fundamentally they don't understand the world and the nature of others.

It all boils down to ignorance, often an ignorance they will fight to maintain, but it's ignorance.

And education challenges that belief. If they make it through higher education without changing their beliefs, they either do it through an extreme pessimistic view towards the motivations of others (the knowing liers happy to "get theirs" like "anyone would"), or they come out ranting and raving about liberals in academia did their best to poison their minds

But mostly, they fail or come out with different views because of their new understandings. People say reality has a leftist bent, but it's more that conservative views require a warped view of reality

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john_save_america 3 points 2 days ago

Can you source the studies that claim lefties prioritize self the least? Liberty conceptually is prioritizing yourself (or other individuals) over the good of society as an aggregate, so the idea that lefties would prioritize society so far above self is very counterintuitive.

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frigge 14 points 2 days ago

Björn Höcke, one of the most insane freaks in the german AFD party is a history teacher …

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agamemnonymous 3 points 2 days ago

He made his choice

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NotFrenchJack 10 points 2 days ago

Ah, one of the classics.

Although the unironic uttering of the words "You know Marx literally founded sociology, right?" remains my favorite from this genre.

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electric_nan 10 points 2 days ago

I had a history professor in college who was literally CIA. His class was so full of bullshit lol.

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Malica 8 points 2 days ago

Some of them enjoy cruelty, those go further right as they learn

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ElChinchilla 6 points 2 days ago

Can confirm. Studied history ("worthless" degrees to prove it.)Not thrilled with our system. Worthless because of our system. Knowledge is invaluable.

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gmtom 6 points 2 days ago

You can always just be wilfully evil too, but I guess a certain amount of lying comes with that

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djsoren19 3 points 2 days ago

yeah, unfortunately I've only ever had experience with the liars.

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connorx100 1 point 2 days ago

Tbh you don't need to study history, you just need a common sense 😜

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jumping_redditor -3 points 15 hours ago

the devil's advocate would probably mention that most schools have policies restricting the type that would want to be conservative history teachers (something something no racial slurs no beating students)

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RmDebArc_5 3 points 14 hours ago

ah yes the two ideolgies: Radical Marxism and Nazism

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jumping_redditor 0 points 13 hours ago

I wasn't even thinking naziism, just pro confederacy/slavery

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therealdries -17 points 2 days ago

Sooo... the only choices are between being an idolator of Beardy McDeadguys or being a liar?

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whalesnrainbows 6 points 2 days ago

What’s Marxism?

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chaogomu 4 points 2 days ago

Appreciation for Duck Soup. Groucho was brilliant.

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theparadox 1 point 2 days ago

Thirty Helens agree. Sharing an aproximate worldview is literal idolatry.

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therealdries 0 points 2 days ago

Do you incorporate the name of everybody you share an approximate worldview with into your identity, too?

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theparadox 2 points a day ago

No, because not everyone is so well known for having formalized a specific worldview that the worldview itself is named after them.

Do Keynesian economists worship Keynes? Do people who deeply believe that Newtonian physics is vital for understanding reality at the macro scale practice idolatry?

You are either disturbingly naive or a troll. Terms don't magically become religious just because they incorporate the name of a foundational figure in them.

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therealdries 0 points 17 hours ago

formalized a specific worldview

A critique of capitalism, no matter how accurate, is not a "world view."

Do Keynesian economists worship Keynes?

I've never seen liberals goose stepping en masse in front of huge murals of Keynes - so I guess not.

Terms don’t magically become religious

No magic required at all. All you need is for a certain group to treat a historical figure with an almost-religious like reverance out of all proportion to reality - like making said person's name a part of your personality.

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