It may be worth passing that rule/config over to @Ernest@kbin.social

The captcha bot detector thing seems to be making it wonkier.

Maybe its just Nostalgia, but ill take that. Where you actually go to a place that has something to do with what your looking for, rather then a giant, centralized site where random people pop in, talk crap, and pop out.

Yeah, I've been thinking all day that's it is like Usenet 2.0 in a way. Back when Usenet actually had enthusiast conversation happening on it.

Can you provide a source to your claim that lemmygrad is ran by Nutomic or Dessalines?

"Threadiverse" -- i really like that :)

Nobody is going to fly with mobile browser these days. It's App or die in this regard.

The biggest social media sites have apps. It's suicide. Heck, the reason these sites are having the mass infux is because Reddits app sucks. If it was amazing nobody would of really cared and the spez drama wouldn't have happened.

Just my 2c.

Even a fork of Jerboa or something could be a start!

God, what I would give for Apollo to rip the Reddit API guts out and refit with Lemmy’s. He open sourced it so I’m sure someone will.

You can do the whole ‘add to home screen’ and it sort of functions like an app in iOS.

But kbin looks fine in browser on iOS? Actually, I'm really happy I don't have to download another app to use it.

Looking at my own very small instance, Lemmy doesn't seem to consider "logged in" as active. I currently have 8 users online and 3 users/month.

Well if Pornhub is built in it, then I am down with it (quite obvious/jk)

I'm sure there's some php still around at Facebook, but I doubt any new php projects have been started in 10+ years at any of those organizations.

I mean, almost half of all the websites on the internet is built on WordPress, so maybe you're onto something here...

Can you explain this in simple terms for simple minds like mine? And I only ask for other people like me who may wonder but not ask

I, too, can use a banana to hammer in a nail

Fair, but for me, both Rust and Php mean I won't be customizing or contributing much to the project.

Most fediware is rust I think, with the second most popular codebase being JavaScript the last time i looked through a list of them

No. It's not perfect by any means but it's leaps and bounds ahead of where it was.

I believe there was a post by a Kbin hoster that they had to set up a specifc rule in Cloudflare to get around the issue. Although AFAIK I would assume that Cloudflare could definitely be causing some issues for some instances which may not be set up correctly to get around the issue, which in turn could lead to the issue your suggesting. But then again don't quote me on any of this I'm not a dev for any of the projects, and I'm basing this on my own projects where getting around Cloudflare to scrap data is a complete pain and sometimes more work then it's worth.

Honestly, many people are turned off by Lemmy tankies. I myself though I'd never come back to Lemmy until I found beehaw.

I keep hearing similar things, but not a single person has linked to a comment or anything the devs have actually said.

Where can I read about this? I want to see what they said.

It's funny seeing a communist use the word tankie unironically

lemmy.ml is full of lemmygrad tankie posts

Some instances do though. Just depends on the instance.

What I don't understand is why there are SO many missing comments when reading threads in one instance from another instance. For example, the top "Hot" post on Fedia right now is a post about community fragmentation on Lemmy. When viewed from Fedia, it has 8 comments, but when view within the source Lemmy instance, it has 40.

This is an issue I've seen in every instance on both Lemmy and KBin and it's a huge issue. One of the main reasons I joined the Beehaw instance, since it seems less affected. In fact, Beehaw shows more comments than even the NATIVE Lemmy instance, at 57!

Use other instances then? Afaik beehaw is more of a family friendly place and not for nsfw. lemmy.world allows both community creation and nsfw

While true, there's still some pretty questionable/pro-CCP moderation on lemmy.ml.

Well, TIL a new word: tankie.

They are totally right around the corner though, and won't be a buggy mess at all!

So does that mean that any thread in the fediverse can be shared together? Or is kbin another Lemmy instance? I thought we could only look at other Lemmy instances.

@TheOneCurly I've been noticing massive #Kbin federation issues, even from the small instance that I'm on, kbin.projectsegfau.lt

I’m pretty uneasy about the association, but the attitude of Beehaw is the antithesis of it so I guess it balances out..?

I did play with Kbin first but the interface felt kinda broken to me, buttons not reacting and the like..

You can just block a community or user and you won't see it. Main thing is that its not corporate owned

Federation also works between kbin and Lemmy so if you're worried about that, the only solution is defederation from them.

I choose to believe Brazilians have dealt with fascists in their government for so long it's all they want now.

It's not a pejorative word for any Stalinist. It's a pejorative word for a specific type of Stalinist, ie, one that will back any oppressive regime that espouses itself to be Stalinist.

Via Wikipedia:

Tankie is a pejorative label for communists, particularly Stalinists, who support the authoritarian tendencies of Marxism–Leninism or, more generally, authoritarian states associated with Marxism–Leninism in history. The term was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions. The term is also used to describe people who endorse, defend, or deny the crimes committed by communist leaders such as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Kim il-Sung.

The thread from fefitips makes claims without providing any evidence. They say they "have receipts" and can provide on request, but why not simply post it if it actually existed?

I have no dog in this fight - today is the first time I've heard the word "tankie" - but I would take the linked claims with a grain of salt until proof is provided.

Does that mean when I browse Lemmy I see kbin content by default? Do I need to add it somehow? I'm using Jerboa on Android.

My understanding is that people on kbin can interact with Lemmy instances. Not sure if that goes the other way though

That's good, I prefer that rather than development efforts being split between similar forks.

I thought it was the other way.

You can't just subscribe to their communities?

This would be cool regarding the current scaling problems with too many users choosing the same instance (it would make “distributing” the load easier my making it possible to move already created, existing accounts, if the user wishes to), and also would it solve the problem if an instance is to be shut down for whatever reason, people also could “take their stuff” and go “somewhere else”. Let's see, maybe it'll be possible in the future.

Why is php a bad thing in this case? It seems like exactly the kind of application that php is well suited for. Plus there's the maturity of php's major frameworks. While I'm not saying Rust is necessarily bad for building web applications, it's web frameworks must be less mature and battle tested. Plus, it seems like a lower bar to get community dev contributions for a php project than rust.

What do you mean by baggage?

Brand new to fediverse and this is the second comment I've seen saying lemmy has tankie issues. Is this a term specific to fediverse or is it referring to the category of communists that are called tankies? If the second, I didn't realize tankies were big here

Yeah, I didn't even investigate kpub very much though. And Lemmy is a lot of lock-in; obviously once you're on it, you're on it.

I guess it is the more robust project so I shouldn't be too concerned. Will definitely keep an eye on kbin though.

How do you build a community that's explicitly not tankie without being just as insufferable?

When we started ours, we wanted a place to discuss technology and whatever else. We didn't say "no politics" but we made an early decision to not be a primarily political instance. We don't to define our instance by what it isn't, in other words.

Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

I just followed the links in the post:

KBin 2,753 users Lemmy 112,013 users

I watched all the charts and every KPI have the same ratio of 1:40

Note that I am a today subscriber to Lemmy, and just took a look at KBin.

The fact that Kbin is handling the wave worse than Lemmy is not unrelated to the fact that Lemmy's tech stack is much lighter weight and more efficient. It is a fundamental issue with the technology. If either are going to become major players then they need exponential growth, and Lemmy is just better at that.

It was just too much greatness all at once. Like a fire hose of greatness when you just wanted a small sip

Yeh. That and some instances are just slow right now.

this is relevant to my interests. I want to be able to cross post a post on the UI!

This is absolutely perfect, you're a legend! It's exactly what I wanted.

what you need is what you want, personally im working my way around, I also notice that while fediverse content is technically connected, im not seeing a clean way to fully intereact with or browse mastadon or kbin content like i can lemmy content. It seems you still need to be ON these various apps if you want discoverability to be fully functional.

something i would expect will be fixed in the future.

personally ill be running instances of a number of fediverse apps and then keeping the apps i like.

Lemmy absolutely does federate with Mastodon servers, what are you on about? I've seen people posting here from Mastodon accounts, using hash tags and @s in their post, and having the posts show up as posts they've made on their Mastodon instance as well.

How did you manage to fit so much wrong into a single comment?

@HawkMan @manitcor
And yet, here I am, a mastodon user federating with your lemmy comment. 😜

is that a software restriction or just generally a difference in the 2 communities? does kbin allow nodes to block like mastadon and lemmy?

I swear im seeing posts cross over between these systems, might just be my exhaustion.

Good to know, thanks!

It's going to be a glorious moment when lemmy and kbin can fully see each other's posts!