Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml

3 years ago by lwadmin to c/lemmyworld

Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

takeda 482 points 3 years ago

Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.

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jeffw 152 points 3 years ago

It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda

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zeppo 46 points 3 years ago

The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.

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gr522x 3 points 3 years ago

Are you saying MK ULTRA is just a conspiracy theory and never happened? I've watched documentaries on PBS, BBC and the History Channel. Clearly the program existed, as for what clandestine operations it ran, that's certainly loaded with conspiracy theories.

If everything is a conspiracy theory, nothing is a conspiracy theory.

https://www.history.com/...

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zeppo 7 points 3 years ago

No, I didn't intend any meaning like that. I just said it was the sort of thing discussed on the sub prior to a bunch of bullshit.

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alvvayson 103 points 3 years ago

Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.

It's been like that since the past 100 years.

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kescusay 52 points 3 years ago

I'm not even sure they're really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it's blatantly apparent that they're actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.

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LemmysMum 44 points 3 years ago

Yep, it's easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the "socialists and communists" to downvote you.

Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.

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youCanCallMeDragon 32 points 3 years ago

They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.

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AtHeartEngineer 6 points 3 years ago

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SuckMyWang -1 points 3 years ago

Isn’t that an oxymoron

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Airazz 25 points 3 years ago

Tankies support russian or Chinese versions of communism, which really isn't communism at all.

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explodicle 25 points 3 years ago

[Looks around nervously]

Aren't we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.

Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.

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qevlarr 44 points 3 years ago

Maybe you just didn't recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.

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not_that_guy05 32 points 3 years ago

Yup, you would call out their BS and you get banned. The system was perfect and no one is allowed to fully criticize it.

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Klear -9 points 3 years ago

Notably - this applies to any governing bodies.

Fuck communism, it will never work you dumbasses.

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DarthBueller 5 points 3 years ago

Oooooooh, I see. Capitalism should fuck communism, and give their social democratic love-child to us folks in the USA!!!! Woot.

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slackassassin 1 point 3 years ago

This but unironically.

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SatanicNotMessianic 70 points 3 years ago

The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.

Defederation is the best response imo.

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zeppo 50 points 3 years ago

That's my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.

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slaacaa 17 points 3 years ago

As tankies often do. They are just a different colors of fascist, but damage the reputation of all lefties

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Deftdrummer -1 points 3 years ago

Aww, they're just not doing "the right kind" of communism I guess?

Show me communism that doesn't end in genocide and totalitarian state leadership, I'll wait.

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NOT_RICK 405 points 3 years ago

Good riddance

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Speculater 116 points 3 years ago

They can have their little hate fest in private now! I think they wanted that anyways.

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WYLD_STALLYNS 22 points 3 years ago

They do it to so many smaller forums too. I saw an old board I used to frequent for game faqs and questions turned into one, under the guise of being mostly transgender positive.

It’s crazy to watch one user create a wannabe cult, user shame everyone and constantly move goalposts with straw men bs. Meanwhile, they had moderators discussing in Discord chats who to drive insane next and pick on. Not to mention using a serious issue as means to divide people that frequent the site by having over 30+ accounts to pad the numbers that agree with their views in topics.

It’s scary how far they go these days, especially considering the site was relatively respected around Y2K era, and now it’s full of republicans pretending to be trans and liberal for a psychotic gimmick.

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Cryophilia -1 points 3 years ago

under the guise of being mostly transgender positive.

The "trans rights to tankie" pipeline is just as weird as the "hippie to fascist" pipeline. I saw a lot of it on Blahaj.

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buzziebee 59 points 3 years ago

Yeah glad to see those fucks go. There's been an awful lot of bad takes filling up content sections on certain topics, every time I checked who had posted it it was almost always a lemmygrad user.

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Hackerman_uwu 20 points 3 years ago

I need to start checking the instance when someone posts something stinky.

I’d honestly noticed it a lot over the last few weeks and thought oh well, eternal September.

There was a nice little period there where’s there wasn’t much discussion around and those actually poking their heads out were really kind of wholesome. Now I see so many people still coming across in that friendly, inclusive way and I realise it’s just a vocal minority ruining it.

Let’s hold each other to a higher standard.

One love.

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DarthBueller 5 points 3 years ago

One knock-on effect for me is that encountering those folks on here made me want to triple check my tone and emotionality when I post or comment. I absolutely want this to be a better place than reddit, and I constantly find myself going back through my comments, editing to add corrections, or outright deleting them if I realize in hindsight I was being a cranky asshole. I've got to admit, I've even appreciated the notification-free moderation here - if I got into a fight with someone and our lack of civility broke the rules, I'm happy when a mod wipes out both of our offending comments. Nine times out of ten it takes out the comment that caused me to fight in the first place. And as heated as I can get, after going on an online tear, afterwards I usually feel terrible for being driven by anger. And angry posts almost never do anything except stroke my ego.

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Hackerman_uwu 3 points 3 years ago

Yea, see you sound like a good egg.

Thanks for posting. I’m going to start measuring how emotional I get too. The good of the community is more important than a momentary annoyance. Thanks for describing a higher standard let’s all encourage each other to aspire to it.

One love.

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AFKBRBChocolate 5 points 3 years ago

I hardly ever even look at the username - I'm not sure I'll get to looking at instance names.

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seth 6 points 3 years ago

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DarkWasp 19 points 3 years ago

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bdonvr 1 point 3 years ago

What kind of bad takes?

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LemmysMum 10 points 3 years ago

We just blocked an instance full of them, go there for an example.

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zzx 50 points 3 years ago

Agree

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DogMuffins -1 points 3 years ago

I honestly don't get the big deal about defederation.

Free speech doesn't really seem achievable on social media because bad actors will always manipulate votes to ensure that some opinions are promoted more than others.

For example, the opinions of lemmygrad should probably consume ~1% of the total informed opinion "pie chart" if you will. They can be adequately represented by some idiot posting their opinion in a thread once in a while - yet here we are. Their bizarre takes are sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Surely there's a better way to ensure that all opinions on a given matter can be considered rather than just saying we must allow our streets to be overrun with zombies lest we forget they exist.

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Kalpurush -24 points 3 years ago

The lemmygrad users think the same

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NOT_RICK 31 points 3 years ago

Good for all 19 of them

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GrammatonCleric 26 points 3 years ago

Big assumption with the thinking

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AlmightySnoo 9 points 3 years ago

You mean they're sharing the same brain cell?

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Moghul 264 points 3 years ago

Thank fucking god. It's exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.

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Cornpop 189 points 3 years ago

Nothing of value has been lost

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Martineskirt 32 points 3 years ago

Value was gained instead.

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TheBat 0 points 3 years ago

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nbafantest 2 points 3 years ago

Addition by subtraction

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Genrawir 156 points 3 years ago

I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.

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ultranaut 146 points 3 years ago

I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not "legitimate discourse".

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cryptosporidium140 146 points 3 years ago

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kescusay 145 points 3 years ago

Thank goodness.

I'm reminded of a story I read a while back - not sure where - about how if you let a Nazi into your bar, you eventually end up running a Nazi bar. I think the same applies to online forums. You let Nazis overrun a forum, everyone else leaves, and eventually you might as well just be running Stormfront.

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MoistWanted 123 points 3 years ago

Tankies mad

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PrettyFlyForAFatGuy 139 points 3 years ago

"Cowards" lol

They literally just ban you if you start to pick apart their bullshit opinions.

Proudly banned from !GenZedong@lemmygrad.ml

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figaro 1 point 3 years ago

Oh hey me too! High five!

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PrettyFlyForAFatGuy 3 points 3 years ago

we should make t-shirts

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samus12345 53 points 3 years ago

"You chose to not have to listen to our bullshit? Cowards!"

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LemmysMum 15 points 3 years ago

We don't fear you, we pity you, so we put you in the pity party corner. Come back when you develop emotional regulation. Bye Lemmygrad!

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Moghul 40 points 3 years ago

Lmao posted to the Communism community. How is this about communism? It isn't. It's just that to them, everything is about communism.

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mojo 17 points 3 years ago

When you're called a coward you know it's a W because it just means you don't want to be dragged down to their level

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Acinonyx 11 points 3 years ago

beautiful

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seaQueue 7 points 3 years ago

🍿

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AlmightySnoo 0 points 3 years ago

tankies gonna tank

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Grayox 122 points 3 years ago

Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.

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Roflmasterbigpimp 115 points 3 years ago

Good Job! You make my experience of Lemmy continuously better! You cleaned that CSAM up with the speed of light (I've never even noticed it), you managed the Piracy Community Troubles very well and now you made an well thought through decision about Lemmygrad. Well done Mods! And thank you all very much!

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gcheliotis 114 points 3 years ago

I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.

There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.

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canis_majoris 102 points 3 years ago

You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?

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lwadmin 92 points 3 years ago

Most of their communities were blocked since months, that's why you didn't see much of them.

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canis_majoris 40 points 3 years ago

I'm just surprised overall because most other major instances defederated from them weeks or months ago, along with Hexbear and/or Exploding Heads. .ca has been defederated with those probably for at least two months now.

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Candelestine 49 points 3 years ago

The administration of this Instance has a moderate lean towards not defederating in general, they have to be pushed in general. I would describe LW as a free speech leaning Instance, within the Lemmy environment.

Naturally the topic is very divisive overall and tends to draw heated arguments no matter what position is taken. Free speech absolutists find it downright draconian. I imagine being on Beehaw for longer than five minutes might reduce them to ash, I'm not sure.

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jarfil 0 points 3 years ago

LW has some communities which are quite non-freespeech, with rules like "we can remove and ban anything against the rules or not" (see !world), and some which use their rules arbitrarily as excuses for removing content that doesn't match their ideology (see !politicalmemes).

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LWJanniesRCucks -11 points 3 years ago

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pascal 1 point 3 years ago

So, how does it work if I'm on lemm.ee? Is this defederation global?

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AmazingWizard 5 points 3 years ago

No its only for the instance. Lemmy.ee is still federated with lemmygrad.

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pascal 2 points 3 years ago

Oh, bummer

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SheeEttin -100 points 3 years ago

The phrasing of "an increase in hate speech and calls to violence" suggests that there is a tolerable level of those.

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lwadmin 115 points 3 years ago

A tolerable level we can handle by moderation. And when even the admins join in it becomes clear there is a big incompatibility and cultural difference.

But you probably meant something else, right?

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SheeEttin 34 points 3 years ago

No, that makes sense.

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lwadmin 25 points 3 years ago

;)

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Hackerman_uwu 9 points 3 years ago

You folk do good work.

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gazby 98 points 3 years ago

Not it doesn't, it suggests there's a finite amount of volunteer moderator time. Don't be a troll.

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vettnerk 37 points 3 years ago

I'm pro voilence against people who block grocery store entrances because they figured that was the best place to chat with someone they ran into... so yes.

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Cryophilia 19 points 3 years ago

People going slow in the fast lane on the freeway

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nobleshift 17 points 3 years ago

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Dran_Arcana 5 points 3 years ago

Can't forget those whom text at the theater

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gravitas_deficiency 2 points 3 years ago

Escalefters 🤬

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wreckedcarzz 18 points 3 years ago

Yeah, there is: using your critical thinking skills, what number comes before 1?

long pause

That's right! Zero! Good job! And what do we call it when 0 becomes 1?

long pause

And increase, yes! applause

Tune in next week with Dora the Internet Explorer! Bye for now!

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pancakes 8 points 3 years ago

This would be a lot more of a stinging response if they could read.

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samus12345 9 points 3 years ago

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Navy 14 points 3 years ago

I took it to mean "it has increased to the point we can't deal with it all"

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 7 points 3 years ago

Well there are going to be assholes everywhere but I guess if that instance's admins/mods aren't doing their jobs of moderating their users then it makes sense to defederate so the burden doesn't fall on all other instance's mods.

The world isn't black and white like your comment is suggesting.

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grue 12 points 3 years ago

if that instance’s admins/mods aren’t doing their jobs of moderating their users then it makes sense to defederate

I'm pretty sure the problem with Lemmygrad wasn't that the admins there "[weren't] doing their jobs", but rather that they were doing their jobs and their jobs were to promote and encourage the hateful rhetoric instead of stopping it.

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ttmrichter 3 points 3 years ago

I'm wondering if you're trolling or just ignorant. I'll do you the respect of assuming ignorance.

There will always be hate speech in any forum. Period. This cannot be stopped short of closing the forum down entirely. If, however, the hate speech is low volume, it can be dealt with individually with post deletion, user bans, community deletions, etc. Standard "tactical" moderation techniques.

But...

Shitholes like lemmygrad.ml release a veritable flood of hate speech, as do their right-wing "Freeze Peach!" equivalents. Individual, tactical moderation does not scale to that level without a whole lot more money than a hobbyist-run instance can bring to bear. Thus if hate speech and calls for violence reach the point where tactical moderation can no longer keep up, you start with the strategic moderation. In older-style forums that might be an IP ban. In the Fediverse it's defederation.

See how that works?

Now please, prove to me you're not trolling and simply didn't understand how things work.

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TheBat 2 points 3 years ago

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TheLurker 77 points 3 years ago

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The_Picard_Maneuver 73 points 3 years ago

This will be a much better experience for new Lemmy users browsing /All.

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talos_the_true_god 69 points 3 years ago

Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.

Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!

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axorld 66 points 3 years ago

Before I saw lemmygrad: wtf are we doing?

After I saw lemmygrad: glad we defederate..

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TheBlue22 64 points 3 years ago

About time.

Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.

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AlmightySnoo 62 points 3 years ago

FINALLY, thanks a lot! 👏

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Wage_slave 57 points 3 years ago

Pretty new to the lemmy thing. Learning the do not and safe zones of the federation.

Lemmygrad is a bit of a rabbit hole from the outside view. Like, holy shit. That place got wicked dark super fast.

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foggy 56 points 3 years ago

There was a lot of it.

Like a lot.

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JokeDeity 50 points 3 years ago

Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.

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jacktherippah 47 points 3 years ago

Thank fuck. I hate those jerks. Good riddance.

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Aceticon 47 points 3 years ago

Oh, c'mon...

People have been celebrating when governments open their own Lemmy instance to put state services and support there and now we're defederating the very first of such Lemmy instances, that of the People's Republic Of China???!

/s

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assassin_aragorn 45 points 3 years ago

Based admin team and moderation team. You guys rock

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Jackthelad 44 points 3 years ago

I'd never heard of this instance, but the name kind of gives away that it's no big loss.

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vettnerk 75 points 3 years ago

I can tolerate communists, but lemygrad is mostly just tankies

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givesomefucks 60 points 3 years ago

They're not communists anymore than North Korea is a democracy...

Anyone that tries to claim the USSR or China are/were communist regimes aren't worth listening to. They're either lying or don't know what they're talking about

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canis_majoris 19 points 3 years ago

Or they've convinced themselves into a massive state of cognitive dissonance.

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zeppo 1 point 3 years ago

Even worse, they revere current Russia and China as if they're communist, which makes absolutely no sense.

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Blamemeta -26 points 3 years ago

They're communism as practiced, not as theorized. There is a bit of difference.

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gamermanh 22 points 3 years ago

They're as communist as the DPRK is democratic

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assassin_aragorn 2 points 3 years ago

It's like efficiency of machinery and rotating equipment. It can never reach 100%, but you can try to get close to it. 100% efficiency and communism are both unattainable ideals.

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Cryophilia 18 points 3 years ago

They're the original lemmy instance iirc

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Number358 18 points 3 years ago

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SaakoPaahtaa 8 points 3 years ago

Mark my words, .ml is going to be the next hive for spreading hate and calls for violent actions.

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Fried_out_Kombi 10 points 3 years ago

The .ml admins are already massive tankies, so it would only be natural.

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Bakersfield -1 points 3 years ago

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Blamemeta 5 points 3 years ago

Its the devs instance. They think the CCP is good.

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Jackthelad 11 points 3 years ago

Which is precisely why I don't donate to the devs.

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q47tx 1 point 3 years ago

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jarfil 0 points 3 years ago

I don't think the CCP is good, would you donate to my fork?

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kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E 44 points 3 years ago

TANK U!

Sorry imma head out

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faceless 44 points 3 years ago

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AngryHippy 43 points 3 years ago

It's kinda fun watching liberals realize that Bolsheviks aren't leftists

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GONADS125 39 points 3 years ago

I fully support this. I don't think instances that breed hate and radicalization should be allowed an audience.

I have seen so much propoganda, hate, and lunacy from that instance since I joined Lemmy.

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rustyfish 38 points 3 years ago

Well, I already blocked any community and user I came across since the exodus in June.

Better late than never.

Keep up the good work.

PS: Free Tibet

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steakmeout 37 points 3 years ago

Hexbear next.

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Alchemy 36 points 3 years ago

Thank you so much, excellent news.

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SaakoPaahtaa 32 points 3 years ago

Excellent. Those people must be either deplatformed or confined. Thank you .world admins for being reasonable and based.

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peopleproblems 32 points 3 years ago

Man this lemmy thing is cooler everyday

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Geert 32 points 3 years ago

I can't even think of ONE good community on that instance

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Pixelle3D 28 points 3 years ago

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ClarkDoom 27 points 3 years ago

Thank you, some of the most toxic content in the fediverse comes from there and am happy that this server’s experience will be better now.

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Draconic_NEO 27 points 3 years ago

I do wonder why we didn't defederate from them long ago, it's not like they recently started showing signs of who and what they really are, they've been very transparent about their motives since day 1. Still though good it was done now before they started spamming things here (not sure if they do that or if it's just hexbear that spams).

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Pieresqi 24 points 3 years ago

Free Palestine

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unnecessarygoat 23 points 3 years ago

i don't interact with lemmygrad much, and i don't really want to. so please could somebody tell me what sort of hate speech was happening there?

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Iceblade02 21 points 3 years ago

Not a fan of defederations in general, but I can totally see why. Lemmygrad will not be missed.

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conditional_soup 20 points 3 years ago

What, you don't want to be accused of being unreasonable by people that cavalierly discuss the need to murder people to bring about the revolution?

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figaro 17 points 3 years ago

Thank god

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Ab_intra 17 points 3 years ago

I've read a few posts from that instance and just no. I myself are on the left but both lemmygrad and lemmy.ml is just not places I go to.

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Mchugho 16 points 3 years ago

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clutchmatic 16 points 3 years ago

Good to see that instance go as it didn't contribute to public discourse. Thanks for the practice work!

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sirdrakexviii 15 points 3 years ago

Well this is a shock, anyone know what kind of stuff they've said exactly?

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random65837 15 points 3 years ago

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DeriHunter 14 points 3 years ago

Thank you good riddence

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STUPIDVIPGUY 14 points 3 years ago

finally, ty

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shotgun_crab 13 points 3 years ago

Good call honestly

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jeffhykin 12 points 3 years ago

Can we get the links/receipts/examples?

I'm onboard with the post, and glad to see Lemmy working as intended. Making a post (instead of silently defederating) is wonderful. That said, I think its very important to say "because of comments like X[link] and Y[link]" instead of "due to severity".

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the CCP was saying they're "defederating from lemmy.world due to severity". Members should be given the 1st hand evidence, rather than 2nd hand opinions/summaries.

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iforgotmyinstance 12 points 3 years ago

Strong move.

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TheSpookiestUser 12 points 3 years ago

Finally.

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stewie3128 11 points 3 years ago

This is why I have logins on several instances.

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nbafantest 11 points 3 years ago

Great call, kudos. Absolute trash.

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SigloPseudoMundo 11 points 3 years ago

Thank Fn god! Good decision mateys.

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slaacaa 11 points 3 years ago

Bye-bye tankies!

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iegod 11 points 3 years ago

Hells. Yes.

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yozhfyfyfy 11 points 3 years ago

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Omega_Haxors 10 points 3 years ago

I reported a comment stating that the US genocide of indigenous was "rightful conquest" and it's still up. I totally get defederating.

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moldyringwald 10 points 3 years ago

Glad to hear this! I had them blocked already

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DoucheBagMcSwag 10 points 3 years ago

Halle-fucking-lujah

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rip_art_bell 10 points 3 years ago

Thank you! There was a lot of vitriol coming from that instance.

Weekly polite request: can we please get a setting to "hide downvoted posts"? :-)

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seaQueue 10 points 3 years ago

Bye Felicia!

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tacotroubles 10 points 3 years ago

Id rather not interact with or even see a community that refers to the "working class" as subhuman trash. The mods and devs of lemmy.world are probably seeing even worse posts than what we have seen. Good riddence

edit* removed post # 2338719 on the lemmygrad server for those who think im lying

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Epicurus0319 10 points 3 years ago

Thank you so much, it’s like the Winter Solstice came early! They’re literally a bunch of sweaty, genocide-loving neckbeards who never outgrew the college commie phase crying about how hard and unfair their upper-class suburban lives are under (their idea of) capitalism and how North Korea is secretly a paradise because “something something healthcare that probably exists there”- all from the $3000 computer whose SSD made by abused children in Taiwan has 694.20 gigabytes of porn (shot by and starring filthy-rich adult content creators), in the comfort of their septuagenarian mothers’ basements on her personal, private property in Washington State- all made possible by capitalism. And they think they’d be better off under a system that would actually ship them off to die in Alaska on day one, instead of giving them a high rank and a state-issued bride. (But we Washingtonians don’t claim them)

I’m honestly surprised they had to cheer on the murder of innocent children in Israel for you guys to do this for us, when they’d spent months being all “ackchyually the Holodomor didn’t happen but I hope it happens again because daddy putin says all Ukrainians are nazis, therefore it must be true and they’d deserve it!!1”

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Infinitus 10 points 3 years ago

Alas, thank you!

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z3n0x 10 points 3 years ago

sheesh. good riddance

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merak7 10 points 3 years ago

Great news! Thanks

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Redhotkurt 8 points 3 years ago

Holy shit, good for you, lemmy.world. Was wondering if it would ever happen.

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jcit878 8 points 3 years ago

Thank you

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ubermeisters 8 points 3 years ago

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Grant_M 8 points 3 years ago

Kudos. Excellent choice 👍

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magoosh 8 points 3 years ago

I blocked their instance a few days ago when I noticed the described behavior. Good, now I won't see all the 'empty' comments

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weeahnn 7 points 3 years ago

Finally.

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alokir 7 points 3 years ago

Finally

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ViewSonik 7 points 3 years ago

Thank you

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steventhedev 7 points 3 years ago

Thank you.

I hold out hope that they will reform their values and can be refederated in the future, but I doubt that will happen.

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BattleGrown 7 points 3 years ago

Finally, thank you.

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histy 6 points 3 years ago

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CarlsIII 6 points 3 years ago

I honestly thought this had already happened months ago.

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cyborganism 6 points 3 years ago

Good

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Powerpoint 6 points 3 years ago

Good riddance

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Psythik 6 points 3 years ago

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citrusface 6 points 3 years ago

THANK YOU!

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Koof_on_the_Roof 5 points 3 years ago

I am always interested to read about different viewpoints but I don’t think I will miss Lemmygrad much.

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PP_BOY_ 5 points 3 years ago

LETS FUCKING GO

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floppade 5 points 3 years ago

That’s too bad that people behave like that. Thanks for taking action.

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force 4 points 3 years ago

BASED

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aceshigh 3 points 3 years ago

Sweet!

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q47tx 3 points 3 years ago

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gardylou 3 points 3 years ago

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butwhyishischinabook 2 points 3 years ago

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DLSchichtl 2 points 3 years ago

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molochthagod 2 points 3 years ago

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fosforus 2 points 3 years ago

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filgas08 2 points 3 years ago

thank you

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Spyd3r 2 points 3 years ago

Outstanding news

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moosetwin 2 points 3 years ago

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asdfasdfasdf 1 point 3 years ago

Good! Thank you.

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CoolBeance 1 point 3 years ago

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TheAnonymouseJoker 1 point 3 years ago

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ilovesatan -1 points 3 years ago

Will it make a return once we gain the ability to block individual instances? I'm not fan of communism and I'm personally stoked to not have lemmygrad in my feed. And I think you made the right choice given the current state of Lemmy but I do think that a "free speech" forum requires that we don't silence hate speech en masse. I'm sure can agree to at least part of that statement. I just like to make the decision of what I wanted filtered out.

I should probably add that I'm not advocating for any illegal content. That has no place here.

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lwadmin 43 points 3 years ago

No, even when the option comes for users to block whole instances we will still defederate with instances we do not want to moderate the content from. But we also always reserve the right to re-federate with any instance if the concerns are resolved.

And as per https://lemmy.world/legal : We are not a free speech zone. This Code of Conduct lays out the expected standards of conduct and behavior. Users may not say or post anything that violates these rules, and all participants are required to follow this code. If you disagree with this code, you are welcome to keep looking for other Lemmy instances. Here’s a list of all public instances.

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ttmrichter 2 points 3 years ago

Thank you for not being a Freeze Peach site!

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RenownedBalloonThief 2 points 3 years ago

Your modlog shows far more removed content from sh.itjust.works or lemm.ee users in comparison, so why don't you defederate from those instances as well?

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ohmyiv 6 points 3 years ago

It's probably because the two instances you named have admins who actively try to moderate problems as opposed to joining in as with lemmygrad. But that's just my take from it all.

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ttmrichter 4 points 3 years ago

Both those sites are larger than lemmygrad.ml so it's expected more shit will flow from there. Unlike, however, lemmygrad.ml the admins of both those sites seem to try to rein in the chaos themselves, thus leaving the workload here on lemmy.world lighter, so there's no need to defederate. The admins of lemmygrad.ml not only won't control their mob, they egg them on.

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pascal 2 points 3 years ago

Hold on, what did we do this time!?

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RenownedBalloonThief -4 points 3 years ago

Y'all are cool. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming that Lemmygrad was defederated for any sort of outsized rule-breaking behavior from their users on this instance.

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ilovesatan 1 point 3 years ago

Fair enough. I didn't really consider the moderation effort required. And you could stand to be a little less aggressive. I have no problem with the rules as they stand. It would be nice though if there were a way to still communicate with these users without being subjecting everyone to their community posts. But my concerns go further than LW.

I get why LW doesnt have an interest in being a free speech platform, but I still think it's better to be a good influence on people rather than shutting them out. Their bad ideas don't go away when we defederate and will probably even grow in momentum if left unchallenged. You shouldn't have to deal with them if you don't want to and their content need not be visible by default. I just think Lemmy needs options other than defederation. We risk recreating the siloed communities federation was meant to counter.

And it's not like these worst offenders don't deserve to be alienated, I just think it's inevitable that we will become used to defederation but and start doing it on a whim. Lemmy will become a sanitized environment devoid of anything coming close to contraversial. If this happens, it takes away the biggest advantage we have over Reddit, Twitter, etc. No important conversations will happen here, the population will fracture and dwindle, we will all return to Reddit.

I'm not really asking LW to change anything, I'm just saying there needs to be finer controls built into Lemmy that will prevent defederation becoming the default method of dealing with troublesome instances.

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lwadmin 0 points 3 years ago

Know that when I said "If you disagree with this code, you are welcome to keep looking for other Lemmy instances" I was directly quoting the CoC.

If you want an overview of the instances we defederated with, and why, we keep the list updated here: https://gui.fediseer.com/...

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Omega_Haxors 0 points 3 years ago

The fact you have people who genuinely think you guys are a free speech zone should be a very alarming sign you're becoming a bit of a nazi bar. You need to make these people feel unwelcome, and you need to do it fast.

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ilovesatan 1 point 3 years ago

If you didn't want that then why use Lemmy in the first place? The entire point is that it's an open platform. It's one thing the defederate hate groups, but it's something entirely different to willfully lock yourself in an echo chamber. The problem is when defederation becomes the norm and is used to eliminate any uncomfortable discussion at the whim of moderators. This isn't just a problem with LW, its common on all instances.

Being an open platform, anyone is welcome to create their own private spaces, and that's fine. It just seems odd to recreate the conditions of the old social media platforms. And of course I'm free to leave if LW isn't for me.

And no, I'm not a free speech absolutist. But I also don't think you need to be one to think open discorse is important.

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Lifecoach5000 12 points 3 years ago

Lemm.ee seems to still be federated with some instances that are blocked here. Just an FYI if you’re looking for a more versatile instance.

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A_cook_not_a_chef 8 points 3 years ago

And folks can have accounts with multiple instances! So if you don't feel like seeing certain content, you can use the .world account, if you'd like to see a larger array of content, switch to the lem.ee account.

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SymphonicResonance 5 points 3 years ago

Lem.ee seems to still be federated

Two M's, so: Lemm.ee

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Lifecoach5000 4 points 3 years ago

Edited! Ty!

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ilovesatan 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not really interested in seeing all of that. Id really just like an easy way to decide for myself what content I see and not relying on a server moderator to decide for me what is appropriate. Users being able to block certain instances isnt enough. We need to be able to add instances that are separate from what the rest of the server sees.

Thats not possible, I don't know how that would even work or if it could work. The home instance shouldn't have to host content they object with, but I also shouldn't have to set up my own instance just to find tune my feed.

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DarkWasp 6 points 3 years ago

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murmelade -1 points 3 years ago

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vox -1 points 3 years ago

based

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Rooty -2 points 3 years ago

Great, now defederate lemmy.ml, they have been getting increasing beligerent towards .world users.

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oij2 -2 points 3 years ago

This has made me to seriously consider leaving lemmy.world

Capitalism is a serious existantial threat to our ecosystem, rendering all our lives more meaningless with each passing day - all its enemies are my friends

But, however, just looking at the name... Lemmygrad, this rhetoric is just designed to hush everyone into the old trenches and that way keeping the capitalist death machine chugging along. To be the most effective, the truth of socialism has to rebranded and craftfully injected into new ideas. This is the only way forward.

So, good riddance I say!

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Deftdrummer -3 points 3 years ago

Watching an overtly leftist site get it's own panties in a bunch when a different form of extremism takes root lol.

Don't get me wrong the leftism and communism that is allowed to just run rampant is sickening.

Still funny though watching you guys eat your own.

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michaelmrose -3 points 3 years ago

Ok so now do lemmy.ml

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greenmarty -4 points 3 years ago

I've said in the past and will say it again. Despite someone talking nonsense, being rude, having wrong opinions, silencing them is not ideal. If nothing else it's exactly the behaviour of Totalitarian regime that this action is aimed at.

So again de federation is IMHO not best aproach.

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abracaDavid -5 points 3 years ago

Seems pretty messed up to me that disagreeing equals hate speech.

If I wanted heavy handed and one-sided moderation I would have stayed on Reddit.

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menemen -5 points 3 years ago

Time for a new account it seems.

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PRUSSIA_x86 -5 points 3 years ago

While I welcome the return to sensibility, I'm going to miss the free entertainment.

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Bakersfield 5 points 3 years ago

You're always welcome to visit that instance directly if you want "entertainment."

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nothing -5 points 3 years ago

typical fediverse, lol

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Gabu -6 points 3 years ago

Is it still fine to call for the eating of the rich and burning of their capital, or did dotWorld decide to be a rightwing pandering platform for "enlightened" fence-sitters?

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dipshit -7 points 3 years ago

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krolden -8 points 3 years ago

I love how these posts always end up descending into a tankie bad circle jerk instead of asking for examples of hate speech.

BTW op, any examples of hate speech?

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Meanshadows35 -8 points 3 years ago

Finally. So sick of seeing their communist bullshit. No matter what I do.

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LWJanniesRCucks -12 points 3 years ago

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TrismegistusMx -13 points 3 years ago

I was banned from Lemmy.world for a week after criticizing Israel. The pinned post accuses this server of supporting the Zionist genocide of Palestinians. Should I go ahead and close my account now? Is this a Zionst platform?

Edit: I know that this server loves to mass downvote any post that questions authority, but it would be much more helpful if you would verbally confirm that you support genocide, or at least start abusing me personally to let me know you think I don't belong.

Edit2: @MichelleG@lemmy.world @antik@lemmy.world @jelloeater85@lemmy.world @Xylinna@lemmy.world @clueless_stoner@lemmy.world @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world @lwadmin@lemmy.world @MrCenny@lemmy.world @quinten@lemmy.world

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Korkki -13 points 3 years ago

It's for being pro palestine isn't it. You mods are absolutely shameless.

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gayhitler420 -15 points 3 years ago

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Destraight -16 points 3 years ago

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KillAllPoorPeople -17 points 3 years ago

This type of censorship never stops. There's no doubt in my mind as this trend continues we're going to see other taboo communities like piracy, not mainstream accepted politics, etc. ones being banned and their servers defederated.

We've already seen admins of this server removing comments and banning people for posting stuff they don't agree with. I don't see how Lemmy can succeed when we're not even at like 2.5k users per day on the biggest server and the admins here are already going extreme on the censorship.

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ShitOnABrick -19 points 3 years ago

Why not defederate them before things got outta hand?

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centof -20 points 3 years ago

For anyone who prefers to filter their own feed, instead of having it decided for them Lemm.ee is a good option.

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BolexForSoup -21 points 3 years ago

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givesomefucks 16 points 3 years ago

Why would anyone care what those people think/say?

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BolexForSoup -5 points 3 years ago

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Blamemeta -1 points 3 years ago

Theres like 5 of us, including the lurkers. 2 if you limit it to posters. Thats not exactly numerous.

And for record, Lemmygrad sucks and is not worth it.

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BolexForSoup -1 points 3 years ago

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trailing9 -23 points 3 years ago

It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.

Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven't seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates. That let's me assume that many are thin skinned or unable to refute lemmygrad's political opinion.

If I understand lemmy correctly then banning lemmygrad will prevent its users from participating in any debate on a lemmy. world community. Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?

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DocBlaze -23 points 3 years ago

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buzz -25 points 3 years ago

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Ensign_Crab -27 points 3 years ago

So which instance is going to be the next one to be designated the tankie instance?

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Buelldozer -29 points 3 years ago

That's a bummer. I'm a serious Capitalist but I kinda liked the Tankies and Pinks, they brought a fresh perspective and occasionally produced damn good memes.

The good news is that since I moved to another instance I'll still get their stuff, kinda stinks for those of you homed on lemmy.world though.

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TylerDurdenJunior -60 points 3 years ago

Pretty soon there will be no fediverse. And Lemmy will be nothing more than a CMS

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A_cook_not_a_chef 6 points 3 years ago

But everyone could sign up for other instances that are federated. They can even have multiple accounts across different instances. I don't see this as the beginning of the slide down a slippery slope.

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Omega_Haxors 5 points 3 years ago

Lemmy's "the onus on moderation is on the instance" was always going to result in this. You can have an instance with really good content, and a really strong community, but none of that means shit if the instance owners decide that a certain brand of hate speech is ok. Now you have two options as an instance owner: Either blanket ban the entire instance, or expose your users to shit even reddit would have acted on.

Mastodon for all its flaws has a way better system for this: The instance owner AND the federated instance both get reports and can act on them as such. That way even if the federated instance refuses to moderate a post which breaks your instance's rules, you can still deal with it. If an instance is consistently bad faith and the moderators are sick of dealing with them, that's when you defederate.

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nuke 1 point 3 years ago

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LWJanniesRCucks -6 points 3 years ago

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Blamemeta -13 points 3 years ago

Try lemm.ee

Not a lot of defeds there

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synae 0 points 3 years ago

I'm liking the lemmy.sdf.org situation so far

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FederatedSaint -18 points 3 years ago

Yep, the great federation experiment is imploding. Back to reddit I guess.

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ttmrichter 7 points 3 years ago

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 6 points 3 years ago

Bye, Felicia.

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q47tx 4 points 3 years ago

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psychothumbs -63 points 3 years ago

I do not approve of this kind of itchy trigger finger to defederate. Hopefully this decision is reversed in time like the piracy one was.

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TheSpookiestUser 42 points 3 years ago

Honestly I sometimes wish the trigger finger was itchier. I think this should have happened back when hexbear was also defederated, but at least it's finally done with.

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ExtremeSoup 9 points 3 years ago

100% agree. I wish they had a minigun defedder that could defed from those tankies a whiile ago 😵‍💫

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FederatedSaint -26 points 3 years ago

That's right. Let's use de-federating as a fuckin downvote button.

Just filter out anything and anyone you disagree with. Sounds like a good, healthy plan.

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Draedron 2 points 3 years ago

If your instance cheers on genocides it needs to be defederated

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ExtremeSoup 19 points 3 years ago

Now, do you know how to read? Didnt they say that this was after "carefull consideration"? Get yourself some glasses my man! 🤓

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psychothumbs -21 points 3 years ago

Oh wow they said they gave it careful consideration? Case closed must be the right move. How did I miss that??

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ExtremeSoup 3 points 3 years ago

You are funny 😅

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sub_ubi -98 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.world is run by the feds

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thisisawayoflife 84 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.world is run by the defeds

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Cryophilia 19 points 3 years ago

Eyyyy finger guns

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Gork 10 points 3 years ago

If a fed collides with an antifed, does it release a huge explosion?

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Honytawk 1 point 3 years ago

They morph into one another and destroy both.

It is like matter and anti-matter

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canis_majoris 45 points 3 years ago

lmao an ml user mad about tankies getting defederated. Totally on-brand.

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Number1SummerJam 18 points 3 years ago

What’s the deal with lemmy.ml? I’ve noticed a more aggressive/4channy tone to it compared to lemmy.world but I can’t find any more information about it

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canis_majoris 30 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.ml is one of the major main Lemmy instances, and it has a bunch of the development crew for the project on the admin team and moderation squad.

The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist. The core Lemmy devs are very politically left leaning, but that usually doesn't cause many issues because there are enough instances running the software that you're not locked into their echo chamber.

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Omega_Haxors 10 points 3 years ago

lemmy.machine learning becomes lemmy.marxism-leninism

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Faresh 1 point 3 years ago

The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist

That's not true. At the time it was simply picked because the TLD was cheap.

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LinkOpensChest_wav 16 points 3 years ago

It's got a lot of tankies. Also, they'll ban you if you say you hate tankies because they love tankies on .ml

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Speculater 0 points 3 years ago

lemmy.ml is like diet-4chan, they're some of the earliest adopters of Lemmy.

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tokyo 8 points 3 years ago

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Geert 21 points 3 years ago

You wish lemmy.ml would defederate from lemmygrad.ml? The admins from lemmy.ml are admin on lemmygrad.ml so that's never going to happen

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tokyo 12 points 3 years ago

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nuke 15 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.ml will likely never defederate from lemmygrad, as the owners themselves are tankies. If you want to distance yourself, I suggest moving instances.

There's an account migration tool someone made that could make this easier for you https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

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tokyo 7 points 3 years ago

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Earthwormjim91 6 points 3 years ago

Also the two instances are ran by the same admins. Lemmygrad is just their more mask off instance.

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canis_majoris 9 points 3 years ago

I would argue db0 serves that purpose better than .ml does, even if .ml contains the core Lemmy devs. All I talk with db0 guys about is internet privacy, Linux and open source software with a dash of advanced piracy.

As for unpleasantness, I find the constant Linux evangelism getting tiresome, even if it's apolitical.

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tokyo 4 points 3 years ago

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ttmrichter 5 points 3 years ago

Most of lemmygrad.ml are lemmy.ml users saying the silent part out loud on a separate instance so they don't get lemmy.ml defederated.

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Honytawk 1 point 3 years ago

I'd create a new account on an other instance in order to not be affiliated with those degenerates if I were you.

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Omega_Haxors 1 point 3 years ago

LMAO flat out using the nazi slur, you can't even make this shit up.

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ExtremeSoup 13 points 3 years ago

Did you ever think to yourself, that you sound like a madman? Do you really think that a Lemmy instance, of all things, are ran by the US FBI? Especially when the instance is european...

Oh btw, remember to equip your tin foil hat! I heard it was all the rage at lemmygrad & hexbear ;)

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goldenlocks -29 points 3 years ago

Most likely yes. The worldnews community is evidence of this.

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CLOWNEMOJI 5 points 3 years ago

🤡

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ExtremeSoup 4 points 3 years ago

Here; I grant you the 2nd tin foil hat for the day.

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sub_ubi -10 points 3 years ago

And they immediately blocked all the piracy communities. Most of the .world and .ee users sound like AI posts. It's likely a massive AstroTurf

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Lifecoach5000 4 points 3 years ago

Didn’t those get unblocked though too recently?

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Bakersfield 4 points 3 years ago

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