Companies lower salaries in job postings as pay transparency laws take effect
3 years ago by return2ozma to c/workreform
Alt headline: companies start posting more accurate salary descriptions after the government fucking made them.
More than usual, obviously.
Last place I interviewed, recruiter and I agreed with my qualifications etc I should ask for 90k. They hired someone for 67.5k with no qualifications. The person literally took a pay cut to take the job. I don't get it.
Sounds like they hired someone unqualified cause it cost them less and the person with no qualifications took it because so would you if that was your best option.
“While they were being very competitive externally, they were threatening internal equity and internal incentives,” Pollak said. “There needs to be some [salary] growth year after year to keep people around and to keep them engaged.”
Translation: “If we advertise at market rates, our employees might figure out they’re all being underpaid.”
These same companies: "Nobody wants to work."
I'm currently being underpaid roughly 12 to 20k compared to my coworkers because my job title is slightly different. Yet I'm the one training all of them. I'm going to leave when I can but I've been stuck for a while. Might have to find a completely different job/career eventually.
Salary range: $35k - $270k
I kinda want to give them the benefit of the doubt because that's just odd it seems as if someone just fat fingered the 3, because 75-95 makes a lot more sense
But then again corporate gonna corporate soooo
I usually average out the two salaries and use that as their "intended" starting pay.
So (75 + 395)/2 = 235k a year avg starting salary for an average applicant.
The top end I consider the pay if the applicant meets all the requirements listed in the job ad.
It's no accident. I was out of a job for half the year and saw this so many times. In states where the laws aren't specific enough, posting an absurd salary range is how companies comply with the letter but not the spirit of it.
That's way too low for CA. But 395 is senior-staff-level.
What that says to me is they are not looking to fill a specific position. They are collecting resumes for whatever internal backlog and, should they have a need, they'll fill any necessary positions at those salary brackets from their resume pile.
I thought I was already exaggerating a little with 35k to 270k. But now I feel it was realistic.
On a side note, please don’t even consider taking a job at Netflix. Everybody who works there is always under threat of losing their job. They constantly reevaluate employees and managers are forced to churn through people even when their team is working well. The culture is absolutely savage.
Their "flat" hierarchy also winds up pitting everyone against each other.
I'm not saying you're wrong, never worked there, but if you're not worried about job stability personally, it doesn't matter. Do your best, learn everything you can, take no criticism personally, get fired for bullshit reasons, and learn from the experience. Just use them. They don't care about you, you already know you could be fired, and ride the wave as far as it takes you. The lifestyle is not for everyone, but a lot of younger people know this these days. They see the companies like stepping stones. Any company probably won't last ten years, anyway. Loyalty is bullshit on either side.
For a 700k salary I would 100% take the risk. Don’t change your lifestyle after you get the job and just pocket the extra cash. If you get fired having Netflix on your resume should allow you to find a new position fast enough to come out on top of the deal provided that you are able to make it a few months at Netflix.
If you are fortunate enough to have 3-6 months of expenses in an emergency fund then there is very little downside as long as you are able to maintain the correct headspace.
Sounds like software engineering
I guess lying to employees about the law is just what families do.
we're like a family. The kind of family you move away from forever and drink to forget for the rest of your life.
What matters most is understanding, even if we have our own doubts about the methods, that everything corporations do is done out of love.
Talking about salaries was never taboo
The employee handbook of Cobleskill Regional Hospital in Upstate NY in 2000 put talking about your pay with another employee as a fireable offense.
The real number I'd like to know is how much value my labor is actually producing versus what they pay me.
That would be some fun transparency. You could compare ratios and that ratio would be a number people talk about.
That's pretty difficult for a lot of jobs. For someone in sales, easy, you can look at the value of the contracts they bring in. For someone who works in facilities maintenance or tech support? Good luck figuring that out.
I work in professional services, and this is so true. I feel like every new client I onboard and start implementing has promises in their contract we can't fulfill due to product limitations. Oh, it's supposed to do X out of the box? Nope, maybe we can customize it, but that's a weird niche requirement that's going to take a lot of discovery and architecting.
Profit/number of employees...
The issue there is not everyone is equally productive. In the most direct example someone who is more experienced with a piece of equipment or technology will often be more productive with it than someone who isn't. That's ignoring that different people have different competencies. If you ask me to design costumes for a TV show, I would fail miserably. If you asked a fashion designer to do my job without any training, they would likewise not be very successful at it.
There are plenty of ills that come along with capitalism, but I do think some amount of incentive will promote productivity. I don't think that people are lazy and won't do any work unless they are threatened with homelessness and starvation, but I do believe if an innovative strong performer in a role is not given recognition in a real tangible way, they will either leave to a place where they can get that recognition or just stop being as innovative and productive.
Productivity is a form of activity, not a quantity.
Systems of productivity that are organized by wage remuneration rely on processes of labor valorization, but no such process reflects any inherent or essential feature of the productive activities undertaken by any individual worker.
Production in enterprise is by social processes.
Processes of valorization have more cogency at the level of the entire enterprise, because products within the enterprise are created through the complex accumulation of many individual contributions, but are exchanged between easily separable entities, one enterprise with another, or an enterprise with a consumer, often through commodity markets.
Ultimately, there is no law of nature for resolving a distinctively quantified value of each worker's labor.
Similarly, there is no law of nature proscribing the same rate of remuneration to each worker per unit of time contributed to the social processes of labor. A social choice for such practices would be possible to implement.
The national average is $128,502 in 2017 dollars, $160k+ today. That's well over 3 times the median wage of $45k.
The full value of labor can be considered meaningfully only at the level of the whole enterprise.
You and your coworkers collectively contribute labor worth the value of the products you create collectively, minus the costs of inputs and operation.
How such value is distributed within the enterprise is simply a choice by those who control the enterprise. No objective solution is available. Owners pay each worker the minimum possible for the labor to be provided, which under current systems is different for each kind of labor, due to labor commodification over markets represented by the law of supply and demand,.
I am not understanding the relevance or meaning of your objection in context, but if you are seeking to protect the interests of insurance companies, then perhaps you should not be participating in a space created for advancing the interests of workers.
That's actually rather easy if you work for a publicly traded corp, at least to ballpark it.
Company profits / total workers. (<-this seems facile, what am I missing?)
OTOH, beware comparisons of pay scales.
"CEOs make too much!"
Do the math. CEO pay is typically 1/100th of a penny earned, sometimes 1/1000th, not a drop in the bucket. Don't matter. When I was a kid, sports star pay was the thing to rage about. LOL, haven't seen a single lemming comment about that. Whatever.
"I don't make enough!"
And that's very likely true, but you cost far more than you think. Good rule of thumb? Double your pay, that's what you actually cost. You make $15/hr.? Company probably pays $30, or a bit more. Company has to pay worker's comp insurance, taxes, benefits, unemployment insurance, payroll processing fees, all that and more.
SOURCE: Worked IT for a payroll company, got the inside scoop.
It's impressive how deftly you avoid the comment to spout your own opinion
Expected based on what? We're recruiting, we had to increase the advertised salary twice. This is public, everyone at the company notices these increases. If they don't come across to the existing people? It will be a riot and mass exodus. Something the company cannot afford to do. Replacing People costs an absolute fortune in time and money.
Replacing People costs an absolute fortune in time and money.
Something that corporate America seems to not care about for some reason these days.
Corporate America is operating on the Car Dealership model: there are enough rubes to fleece it’s not worth the effort to get quality customers/employees.
If they don’t come across to the existing people? It will be a riot and a mass exodus.
No shit. Maybe you should pay your staff market wages?
Companies are paying "market wages". So what's your complaint and/or solution?
LOL, every shit job I ever had, "We're proud to pay the going rate for this work!"
Good jobs I've had, and have now? Yeah, no bullshit talk like that.
If you’re listing a job and no one’s applying at the price point, you’re advertising below market wages. If you’re paying your senior employees less than your new hires, you’re paying them below market wages. What a company wants to pay is not market wages: the laws of supply and demand dictate what market wages are. The wage that will interest new qualified workers and the wage that will retain experienced workers are the wages that the market are actually dictating.
This is public, everyone at the company notices these increases. If they don’t come across to the existing people? It will be a riot and mass exodus.
That's a feature, not a bug.
This was never about raising salaries.
Now that the data is public, the companies can implicitly collude to keep them low. No one will offer more than any other, which will drive them down.
They share it amongst themselves via third party consulting firms already. This just gives the public visibility.
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Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
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@lemmy.world
A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
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The point wasn't to just raise salaries, but to curtail deceptive practices. I'd rather know they're lowballing me before starting the interview process.
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