If you want like 10,000 instant karma, bet on a New post and say snarky shit. If it gets picked to be one of the magic posts of the day, you win.
Just don't say anything meaningful, or you'll fall below the next person commenting for the lulz.
That's what a healthy community looks like. Right?
There's a shit ton of upvote bots and subs had free gold to give out all the time.
Admins like it because it looks good to advertisers and idiots think buying gold is normalized
Mods like it because it boosts sub visibility and got more subscribers
And some users chase karma so theyre onboard too.
There wasn't much authentic about reddit
It was pretty clear to me, that's why I stopped going.
It was getting toxic a long while back, but I was ok with that -- I just deleted my account every few months so I wouldn't get doxxed. But then I started to realize 2 things: First, many subreddits wouldn't even let you post without a minimum amount of karma. Second, many subreddits would downvote you into oblivion for any sort of wrongthink.
Don't get me wrong, I know I'm a wierdo and I have some bad takes sometimes, but you put bad takes out there to put them in the fire and then you get to see they're bad or you hammer them until they're good. But in the echo chamber, there was only one answer: Obey.
So I left for greener pastures.
The karma system also gamifies trying to find a variation on the same thing as always. You're not trying to be clever or unique, or bring new perspectives to the conversation, you're trying to be the first person to say the thing you think everyone else is going to think of
Wouldn’t the reputation system serve the exact same function here then?
I did enjoy seeing my individual comments and posts upvoted, seeing that others liked my idea or dumb joke. But I really really cannot imagine many people being “karmawhores” or particularly interested in karma any more than I was, let alone enough to justify the amount of times people tossed around “you’re a karmawhore” accusations to genuine-seeming posts on Reddit.
This might just be me being unable to fathom people being any different than me, though. I certainly like to see shiny numbers go up in video games, I guess maybe some people liked it on Reddit and went a bit too far to gain karma instead of approval of random people for a thought or stupid joke.
I would typically only engage with new posts, but in two places. One was some smaller subs where there was going to be more opportunity for discussion between everyone, and two in the larger subs would be breaking issues where new was by default and it was more group observation of the events going on in real time.
do not fool yourself. this place is just as strong with the group think mentality. if you want proof, look at all the defederation discourse.
Like literally these people are all like "FrEe SpEeCh" like dude if you wanna be a Nazi go be a Nazi I'm not gonna stop you but I'm definitely not gonna support you in it. You will get a hearty kick to the nuts if you approach me with it but like you do you
To be fair some instances (like Beehaw) defederate for not being big enough to maintain a huge influx of users. It isn't always about Nazis although for sure Nazis suck I agree with that!
If the opposite of nazi Yahtzee?
Jurj Clooners was awesome in The Nazi Who Played Yahtzee.
LMAO
Most people consider hate speech unacceptable. Independently coming to that conclusion is not “group think”.
I’m constantly seeing posts about how much nicer kbin is, but I’ve also seen a “KYS” comment and personal insults towards people. I also recognize it’s possible that there are fewer nasty comments, that the ones I see are just outliers but I’m more likely to notice them here instead of just downvoting and forgetting because the posts about how nice kbin is are making the counterexamples stand out that much more.
Communities are going to have to start actively moderating and removing blatant abuse like that. I haven't seen very much, but ultimately, we cannot rely solely on votes or people simply being nice forever. It's always a touchy question, but every community ultimately has some standards of acceptable behavior, and it'll take time for us to figure out what ours is.
thats crazy. im very active on here as my profile can tell and other than a run in with an alt right person on one thread, i havent seen anything bad. of course, as it gets more popular, this will increase, but for now its pretty nice
I'm definitely making more of an effort now, but that's because of how conscious I am about the site needing user interaction.
I agree! Oftentimes on Reddit I thought "I don't really have anything to add, and this post will be flooded with comments anyway, so mine will probably drown, so why bother?"
Here I think there's more of breathing room for everyone, which is nice
I'm trying to remember to do the same, I'm so used to saying nothing for fear of being the one post people pick to be the one they downvote to hell for no reason. It's like I want to interact now but as @magnetosphere put it I have PRSD - Post Reddit Stress Disorder
Have a friendly upvote, fellow Redugee
I thought it would be a really hard shift since I used reddit so much. The more I go between them, the more I realize reddit is just another forum website - it's not even a really good one, either!
This change has been super helpful for me to learn not to get so attached to stuff. The people here are the same as the people there and the stuff I post can go anywhere I want it to, there's nothing extra special about reddit. It's super freeing!
Right?? Like I keep going like "oh shit someone downvoted" then remember "wait that means nothing here"
Can you clarify on karma not mattering here? I’ve heard that before, but I also see a total upvote count on my profile page. Does karma not impact the sorting of posts or what?
Well, for a start, I'm on kbin.social so when I click your profile you have 0 everything. So whatever we have on our instance probably doesn't come with us into the fediverse.
And here at kbin our upvotes are not karma. I can see them on my comments but they don't accumulate anywhere. So it means nothing. (There is some kind of system here where downvotes matter locally and not upvotes but apparently its broken and Ernest will probably fix it one day).
Thanks for the info, but it’s funny - when I click your profile (within the Memmy app) it shows your post and upvote totals even though you’re on Kbin and I’m on Lemmy.world. I’ve got more to learn about this place but I’m digging it so far!
Yeah I’m using the Memmy app and when I click on your username I get this view that shows posts and upvotes: https://imgur.com/a/wwuuhpW
You should try Beehaw, or any other instance that’s disabled downvotes. THAT’S awesome. If someone disagrees with your point, they actually begin a conversation, instead of just slapping a down arrow.
Im on lemmy.blahaj.zone and I’ve enjoyed the same thing. So, too, does mastodon feel this way - by default, you can’t see how many likes, boosts, or replies something has. So you end up with people actually talking to each other, rather than clicking a button that makes someone else look bad. In general on the fediverse there’s a prioritization of positivity over negativity, and healthy engagement over petty fights. It’s nice. Makes things easier on the moderators, too, I’m sure.
That was always the appeal for me once I found Apollo! Reddit is just a big forum system, that's all, and Apollo stripped out all of the clutter and brought it back to feeling like just straight discussion forums. It's an easy switch.
I started on Reddit with all the clutter and couldn't get into Apollo. I can't believe how much I was missing. I can freaking transcribe posts on mobile using Boost and Liftoff cuz of markdown and preview tools, dude how did I not get into these sooner??
Strip away all the drama and you're just chatting with people. It's freaking great, man
I’m just switching now, and I’m already surprised by how easy it’s been — I had been putting off looking at Lemmy because I was just assuming it would be worse than Reddit was since it’s so much smaller, but so far it’s been going great. Makes me want to seriously consider alternatives for some of the other apps I use.
The exchanges I have had here are like rare good ones I have had on reddit. If it gets to popular that will likely change but hey lets enjoy it while we can.
Oh yeah. I’m loving it. I feel like my comments and posts get a lot more attention and the engagement is a lot better than Reddit. It definitely feels like a community is brewing but I’m loving the increased interaction.
I see you :)
Its been so long since I’ve interacted that I don’t remember how. Hey guys.
Hideeho!!!
I actually feel the same as SimplyChad. Hey you two! I only managed to post a pic of my cat but this feels kind of a weak post
You made me look for said cat. Was not disappointed. Lulu is a cute kitty!
I agree. I am a very shy person, so, it is not easy for me to comment, even if it is anonymous. I always think that nobody is waiting to hear from me in the enormous stream of other comments that are there as well. At the same time, if by some accident someone actually reads your comment, I feel that if you have a different way of wording or a different opinion, your head will get chopped off.
Because there are far less comments here, I feel like I can actually contribute something to the discussion. And people seem to be just nicer and more willing to understand each other instead of just repeating the same stuff over and over again. I like it better here!
As someone who talks a lot, I also like reading what others have to say. Speak up
Exactly how I feel, or these are some damn convincing bots! :)
Yeah, mostly just lurked on Reddit, but here I feel a lot more comfortable engaging with the stuff that gets posted. Since the communities are so much smaller it feels like leaving a comment actually means something instead of just getting drowned out in the noise.
This is my first comment on lemmy, and I'm making it because you're absolutely right. It's almost habbit at this point to hold back and lurk after years of being used to a huge crowd. Defaulting to reading the disscusion but not adding anything to it. But this reminds me a lot of the way smaller forums and neiche communities feel, where there's still room to add something to the thread without needing to yell it. Glad to be here and starting to appreciate the differences already
The same. I haven't gotten involved in anything but smaller subreddits in years.
I really like how willing people are to read and write essays. I like to lay out my argument, cover likely arguments against it, reread it, maybe edit it down or come back to it later.
It makes me understand my own position better, and sometimes I realize I'm wrong (or they no good would come from convincing someone I'm right) and I delete it
On Reddit, people would just skip over it, hell a few people called me out on my response being too long and let me know they didn't read it... One guy said something like "who even are you, I don't know you and my gf doesn't talk to me that much"...it was deeply confusing
That would be more upsetting if it wasn't so sad
I've been using reddit a lot since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine started for support (I'm Ukrainian). I must say, I sure miss r/NCD and r/Ukraine, but am not planning on going back on reddit. I hope similar communities will eventually develop here.
A non-credible alternative!
I've been alternating between Kbin/Lemmy and Squabble after generally being a lurker on Reddit, and the communities for both seem a lot friendlier and willing to engage in actual discussion. So much so that I've actually started posting/commenting.
It also helps that the top comments aren't all the same overused bad joke.
When I first arrived here, I felt there wasn't enough of a community to sustain my interest. But in just the past week or so, I think it's reached some sort of critical mass where this place now has a pull that keeps me coming back.
I thought I'd miss reddit more, but while I haven't cancelled anything over there, I just don't get on much anymore. I'd rather spend my energy building community here, and I don't care if there are fewer people to interact with. Even reading a single thoughtful comment is enough to make my day, and that's starting to happen regularly.
well said. it also just makes me feel better in general contributing to kbin, because i am contributing to its growth and real conversations, and better yet, helping create a home here for other reddit migrants
Reddit for me has become just stupid trolly comments and karma farming. I called it social experimentation
It seemed like any serious discussion or not subreddit approved opinions were pointless to express. I don't like to say that something is dumb but it did seem limited and boring.
Fediverse is new and exciting
I had really stopped using Reddit outside off about 6 subreddits on specific topics. Those were (still are) small enough to have reasonable discussion, while still being lively enough to be fun. Most other subs have gotten too large, and there isn't any focus on the actual subject. Content becomes diluted, mods overwhelmed, and conversation becomes pointless.
Honestly just so happy to have a place that’s not diluted by the same tired old jokes being told over and over again, excited to see where this community goes
holy shit, that realization just hit me like a brick wall. on reddit it was always low-hanging dead horse meme answers floating to the top, but here people just write down their genuine thoughts without trying to pander to anyone. it's very refreshing
I personally love how inclusive everyone (at least 99%) here is and I am personally fighting very much to keep it that way. Although I am white and only an ally and thus not part of LGBT myself, even I feel much safer here although I wouldn't have much to fear on other websites myself.
That's genuinely appreciated!
I kinda dislike it, honestly. I'm so used to constant withering hostility that the lack of slurs and snide insinuations about my parentage is genuinely kind of uncomfortable.
I have now diagnosed you with PRSD - Post Reddit Stress Disorder
Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.
I hope that helped!
Remember that South Park episode where that hardware store became a super Walmart or something and then the new little local store became super popular and really big and until they burnt it down so maybe it's the same case here once platform just becomes too large it needs to be split off back into some of its core components. In a way similar to the way subreddits work where a small community starts springs up with folks that have similar interests.
The other day I made a post asking for help on how to navigate Lenny and I got a lot of suggestions. Members here are nice and helpful. We are all starting from scratch and there’s a feeling of inclusiveness. I like it here.
As someone who almost exclusively lurked on Reddit I’m trying to make more of an effort to interact and it definitely feels a lot less daunting. I just need to actually make a post of my own and I’ll be moving in the right direction
I’m just glad there’s no bots here
For now, at least
Agreed. This is way more fun. More people respond and it feels nice to be a pioneer again. It’s fun to watch people figure shit out and design solutions to new problems.
I didn't realize how much Reddit had already changed from what I thought I was used to until I left it behind. Starting on Lemmy, all of a sudden stuff felt like years ago, when subs had somewhat better discussion and it felt like there was more non-bot interaction. It's still very refreshing to me.
This honestly feels a lot like Reddit did 10 years ago or so.
The communities were smaller, discussion was more meaningful, and the feed wasn't delivered to promote engagement.
I remain cautiously optimistic that things will stay like this for a while.
I agree, I just can’t wait until more niche people transfer over and the communities rebuild
thanks for using Leebra!
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Reddit is too popular and has too much group think, too many of the same types of comments that will get a lot karma, and too many comments that will just be ignored.
NEW is a garbage dump or a pile of duplicates. So why comment on a new post? It will never go anywhere. HOT is already full of comments, so your comment will just be lost.
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