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DarraignTheSane 199 points 3 years ago

I think that anyone who's been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn't a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn't do anything that reddit didn't want.

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halfpipe 44 points 3 years ago

This wouldn’t be a proper Reddit replacement if an anonymous user didn’t take the time out of his day to type that “free rein” was the correct spelling here

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DarraignTheSane 22 points 3 years ago

Well damnit you are right - in both that it's not proper reddit replacement without grammar nazis, and that "free rein" is the usual term. It could be argued that reign also works in this case because some moderators seemed to be under the impression that they were unchallenged kings within their subreddit kingdoms.

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minimar 6 points 3 years ago

It is?? I've been typing it wrong my whole life.

I'm still writing 'reign' though.

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starrox 11 points 3 years ago

I think "reign" is like "rule". - A king reigns over his people.

"Rein" is the thing that horse cart drivers use to control the horses. So the rope that goes from horses mouth to drivers hand. You can either "rein (in) the horses" for them to do something, or you can let them "free rein", meaning they can run as they please.

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minimar 13 points 3 years ago

I always imagined it like a king being able to freely reign over his people - so that he can freely do whatever he wants in terms of governing them.

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anders 179 points 3 years ago path: 0 165557, hotness: undefined, score: 179, children: 56
boonhet 349 points 3 years ago

So far Spez's legacy includes, in no particular order:

  • Changing other peoples' comments
  • Starting a war with the 3rd party app devs who made reddit the easily accessible platform it is (browsing reddit on the toilet wasn't nearly as common before the first apps came out, and all of the first ones were 3rd party)
  • Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls
  • Forcing new moderation teams on communities whose moderation he didn't agree with
  • Straight up lying about the 3rd party apps and their developers every step of the way

Way to go, Steve Huffman! You had a community of volunteers build your platform for you and now you're taking it all away from them. I'm sure this won't backfire.

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zombuey 75 points 3 years ago

I posted this previously elsewhere.

The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

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Krause 70 points 3 years ago

spez is also a doomsday prepper who dreams about living as some sort of lord in a post-apocalyptic feudal society

“Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

https://archive.today/...

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boonhet 42 points 3 years ago

I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.

In a post-apocalyptic world? That skinny nerd (not to be meant as a slur, I myself am a nerd)?

Yeah I sorta doubt that. He'd need to 1) not be an asshat and 2) have a fair bit more physical size, strength and fighting ability

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GrandMoffFartin 39 points 3 years ago

I have spent a lot of time with very rich people over the years for work and they will certainly bite it incredibly early in the apocalypse. If someone is born into wealth, they are almost always fundamentally inept in basic ways. The longer someone stays rich, the more inept and abstracted from the world they become. They are entirely ensconced in a bubble of their own making. Money opens so many doors and protects them from so many just basic consequences of living that they entirely forget that those obstacles exist.

They are also just constantly, constantly being glad-handed and yessir'ed into an excessive amount of confidence. They know it too, but they can't really trust anyone so they just make friends with people who they know would steal the wallet off their corpse but happen to be nicer about it than the other ones who would also do it because they have nowhere else to turn. Other rich people aren't trustworthy to them either because they are only either more or less rich, above or below them.

It'll go down pretty much how it did in the last third of the movie Triangle of Sadness. They are building bunkers that their handlers and others will actually live in. Not to mention that anyone that knows they were a potential engineer, actively or passively, of the downfall of man will have someone to take it out on right in front of them.

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4am 38 points 3 years ago

I wonder if this assclown realizes that his fortune will be worth fuck-all if society collapses, and with it goes his power.

" I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader." No steve, it's 100% egotistical.

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randomperson 18 points 3 years ago
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AU8830 14 points 3 years ago

I think he’s overestimating his power and abilities. More likely scenario is the other survivors try to recreate that scene from Deliverance with him.

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BrewJajaja 6 points 3 years ago

Lmao does he even know how to chop firewood?

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apepi 4 points 3 years ago

He strikes me as one of those clowns who buys a ton of bitcoin as their prep.

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lunarshot 3 points 3 years ago

this guy is such a loser

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wanderingmagus 3 points 3 years ago

That's going to be hilarious when the actual warlords stop by and kick in his door.

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zombuey 55 points 3 years ago

I posted this previously elsewhere.

The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

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kadu 52 points 3 years ago

Is your comment threatening him? Why are you blackmailing him, man? How is he going to work together with you now that you've so aggressively threatened him?

Why is your comment so badly coded? I can't help you optimize your comment, Google didn't help me write mine.

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lwaxana_katana 47 points 3 years ago

Wow I didn't know he ran r/jailbait. Gross.

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democracy1984 78 points 3 years ago

He was forcefully added as a mod on the subreddit. Reddit used to have a system which allowed you to make someone mod without requiring them to accept.

https://www.reddit.com/...

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Bowen 60 points 3 years ago

When people add you as a mod, you can still leave. He never did. That subreddit in particular was known to have the blessing of the reddit admins to operate and eventually made 'subreddit of the month'. Then a news org picked up that reddit was hosting this content and then they shut it down.

They were well aware of what was going on. Andrewsmith is right, there is some plausible deniability there, but with the everything else we know about Steve Huffman, I'm not so sure I can agree with his assessment that it was forced upon him.

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kadu 54 points 3 years ago

While it's certainly better than actively moderating a community...

Is being the admin of a website that actively hosts jailbait and required a massive media outrage to finally remove it that much better? I get free speech and all, but I mean, the subreddit straight up catalogued which pictures were "fap material" and encouraged people (including parents) to take candid photos of the children around them.

A community like that wouldn't last a millisecond in a server I host.

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lwaxana_katana 13 points 3 years ago

Ahhh, ty. It did seem even worse than expected for him to have been actively running that sub.

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dylanTheDeveloper 0 points 3 years ago

Forced promotion

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andobando 5 points 3 years ago

He did not

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dontforgetthat 34 points 3 years ago

Changing other peoples’ comments

Wait the guy changed someone's comment?

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boonhet 51 points 3 years ago

Yes. I believe it was people on the donald subreddit, which could be seen as funny, because most sane people (myself included) don't agree with them politically, but it's still a huge misuse of admin powers and proof that he has no integrity. Can't let other peoples' rights be violated if we want to keep our own.

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Quizmo 50 points 3 years ago

Yeah he changed one comment saying: "Fuck u/spez" by replacing "spez" with one of the r/the_donald mods. This was also done silently so no * to indicate the comment had been edited.

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MercuryUprising 43 points 3 years ago

Yeah, he got busted for it and wrote a half asked apology claiming he would change. Claimed he was just trolling...

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baascus 24 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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bloodsangre7 11 points 3 years ago

Yes, its even listed on the Wiki page for reddit under 2016 controversies

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Photographer 4 points 3 years ago

Has it been removed? Seems to jump from him becoming CEO to the banning of loli?

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phillycodehound 33 points 3 years ago

Yea this will kill Reddit. Maybe not right away but soon.

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andobando 30 points 3 years ago

Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls

This one is a lie, he was added as a moderator by another mod, at a time when anyone could do so. Lets please stop spreading this.

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Marmie 28 points 3 years ago

WAIT. Spez was a mod on fucking r/jailbait???? WHAT????

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Damaniel 27 points 3 years ago

He actually moderated jailbait? I always assumed he was the type of person to have an alt for it, but to actually use his real account? What a scumbag.

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kadu 6 points 3 years ago
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Rusty 164 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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SammichParade 79 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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Aurix 51 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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steakfries 40 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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girlfreddy 32 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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theory 29 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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MedicPigBabySaver 42 points 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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FarLine99 1 point 3 years ago

Fuck u/spez

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TWeaK 3 points 3 years ago

u/spez will be gone soon. Remember his name: Steve Huffman.

Also remember that he used to moderate r/jailbait.

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smokinjoe 143 points 3 years ago

lmao, good fuckin luck replacing dedicated volunteers with one or two shitty ones obsessed with power

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steakfries 55 points 3 years ago

lmfao no kidding. part of me is waiting to see the shitshow that happens to some subs without proper moderation. just the amount of bullshit thats gonna be submitted is gonna be intense. and the trolls, oh lord the trolls are gonna have a hayday with once properly moderated subs.

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smokinjoe 42 points 3 years ago

For example, /r/nba went dark for a Finals game - the final Finals game where a champion was crowned.

I'd love to see one or two lower-tier mods take over that sub. It'd become a complete pile of shit.

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briongloid 31 points 3 years ago

Gallowboob 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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dominoko 13 points 3 years ago

Gallowboob sounds so familar. Who was that again?

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Cube6392 28 points 3 years ago

He for a time had the highest karma score of any user. He stepped away from the platform. Many redditors felt it wasn't a coincidence that the platforms most successful user was also close personal friends with one of the founders (Alexis) and accused the platform and the user of collusion.

The reality of his situation likely lies somewhere between his and Reddit's position that his content rose to the top purely organically and other users' position that his content rose to the top purely through manipulation. He got his start legitimately making funny memes for Photoshop battles but then at a certain point started manipulating the platform (with Reddit's tacit approval) for his own personal gain

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briongloid 25 points 3 years ago

He was Reddit's biggest power user, moderator of a significant amount of major subs, constantly on the front page and had the most reach of the website.

He got caught using alts to boost himself and his account was deleted.

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kairos 12 points 3 years ago

Don't remember if he's a mod at all, but he's notorious for the sheer amount of submissions across a lot of popular subs, I think.

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davysnavy 7 points 3 years ago

I haven't thought of that name since before COVID at least holy shit. Probably longer. What a throwback. Reddit used to be so different

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BrewJajaja 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 138955 139447 139544 176164, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
totallynotsocsa 30 points 3 years ago

Don't worry, the mods will be paid now. Just by the NRA, Walmart and Russia.

Reddit is about to be run entirely by shills who will hop into mod spots.

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smokinjoe 24 points 3 years ago

I don't think it'll be that simple

There are sooooo many fuckin subs, and while I know there are small handfuls that oversee dozens and dozens, the niche ones that really help user retention will suffer.

Like, it's not the huge million+ subs that I'm missing, it's the smaller localized fandoms and obscure memory subs that I'm really missing.

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SomeGuyNamedPaul 3 points 3 years ago

But quality will slip. You can't just substitute care, concern, and domain knowledge that built a community for some rando. The pillars of the communities are moving on and going elsewhere.

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Saturnarc 26 points 3 years ago

People all over reddit have been bitching about supermods and the concentration of power forever. This is what reddit wants, this is the way they become filled with qultists. Easily manipulated, stupid, profitable, and valuable to the next billionaire who wants their own media outlet.

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CookieJarObserver 12 points 3 years ago
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SkepticElliptic 4 points 3 years ago

That's why the CEO was pushing the importance of shipping their own mod tools on deadline. My guess is that there will be more automated moderation like Facebook uses.

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simple 88 points 3 years ago

They can't just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.

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GaryPonderosa 37 points 3 years ago

Sure they can. They'll outsource moderation to Bangladesh, pay mods like $0.20 a day, and double the number of ads shown.

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Mint 48 points 3 years ago

Considering they didn't pay any of the moderators as is, I don't think they would pay for them now.

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GaryPonderosa 6 points 3 years ago

You don't think they would pay a pittance for mods they can control and who will quell dissent like the blackout before it ever gets off the ground?

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primordial_chowder 20 points 3 years ago

Why would they when you can find plenty of power-hungry bootlickers who'll do it for free?

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ininewcrow 19 points 3 years ago

Lol .... All you have to do is give moderators permissions to a teenager with an axe to grind and they'll work for free for years

I hate Reddit because of all this stupidity ... I've jumped ship not looking back and I'm staying on Lemmy

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CookieJarObserver 10 points 3 years ago
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ArtemZ 4 points 3 years ago

Tbh $0.20 a day won't get you very far even in Bangladesh nowadays. Moderation costs will be quite high in the end for them.

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GaryPonderosa 3 points 3 years ago

Will it get you the definition of hyperbole?

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steakfries 9 points 3 years ago

yup 100%

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starrox 85 points 3 years ago

Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.

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lvxferre 81 points 3 years ago

Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won't do good in the long run.

That's why I'm trying to kick this out:

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ulu_mulu 39 points 3 years ago

If you're EU you can All those in EU can ask reddit for the entirety of your data as a GDPR request, much easier than downloading it yourself, especially since some apps have limits to how many posts they can fetch.

How to request your reddit data

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jherazob 16 points 3 years ago

Asked for mine last week and still hasn't arrived, but I've been an active user for 17 years so yeah, might be taking a while to get those tape backups from the basement or something :P

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DreadedChalupacabra 12 points 3 years ago

Poor intern is in the basement writing it all down with a quill and ink. Expect the pony to arrive with your parcel in 10-14 months.

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ulu_mulu 11 points 3 years ago

They say it can take up to 30 days, so I think you have a bit more waiting to do :D

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satouru 11 points 3 years ago

No, no. They say it can take up to 30 days, yes.

But that’s not the correct wording. It legally needs to be done under 30 days (well, one calendar month), if you’re a EU citizen.

If they do not, I highly encourage you to contact your country’s data regulator and complain about it.

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Weerdo 5 points 3 years ago

I have a feeling they got a massive number of those,ni am one of them as well.

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anas 5 points 3 years ago

You don’t have to be in the EU to make a GDPR request, right? If I understand correctly, they can’t actually check.

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ulu_mulu 2 points 3 years ago

They do know which country you're from unless you use a VPN all the time, tho I personally wouldn't lie (fake my IP) for something as serious as this.

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anas 13 points 3 years ago

They would know what country I’m currently in, but I could still be an EU citizen using a VPN or traveling outside the EU. IANAL, but I’m pretty sure my data would still be protected by GDPR.

Granted, I am not, but the request worked anyway lol

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static 2 points 3 years ago
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static 1 point 3 years ago
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Tugboater203 5 points 3 years ago

I'm in the US, but thank you.

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SomeGuyNamedPaul 6 points 3 years ago

I'm in the US and I got mine,, but it took a couple days. I would imagine they're quite busy these days servicing those requests.

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ericjmorey 2 points 3 years ago

Same

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ulu_mulu 3 points 3 years ago

ok :) editing my comment in case other people are EU .

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Tugboater203 2 points 3 years ago
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_TheNardDog_ 12 points 3 years ago

I did this back when the Apollo shutting down post when out from Christian. It took a bit of googling to find out how to do this so thanks for putting it all together for others. I had 10 accounts spanning all my time on Reddit since the Digg days and did a fully scorched earth on it all, because you know, fuck u/spez.

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Tugboater203 4 points 3 years ago

For someone who has a really small subreddit, isn't much of a computer person and mainly uses mobile, how would I go about importing my content here?

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Tekomepossenomo 3 points 3 years ago

I love how you advice to generate gibberish through zompist.com

You are translating all your content into a new conlang!

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Jumuta 2 points 3 years ago

I PDSed my acc yesterday but i should've edited with "We are having issues loading this comment. Please try again later" lmfao

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xptiger 1 point 3 years ago

Data/Content/Information now is very important (indispensable). In the Age of Information (Actually to me, the Real Cultural Start of IT upon the advent of Artificial Intelligence AI), keepers (companies of holding) of databases (such as Reddit databases) have finally found the value of it for metabolic profitability (extreme exploitation) with the help of AI, greatest ever analyses. It will be my best (after nothing happens in Reddit decision) that I will painfully LITERALLY delete all my Reddit posts, comments and even my info about myself (or why not archive on my storage for future migration and then delete on the platform itself) on the day before Reddit make undesirable changes (to not only mods+devs but also the real clients, Reddit users enjoying Reddit), so that they won't exploit information about me further for their sinister abuse soon probably.

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matzah 70 points 3 years ago

Deleted my account, removed Apollo, starting to feel at home on Lemmy. No way I’m going back.

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Mentrix 59 points 3 years ago

Is it just me or is this going directly against what Reddit once aimed to be?

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Soltros 59 points 3 years ago

A lot of these people volunteered their spare time to manage communities for no pay. Wondering how far downhill a lot of these subs will go with Spez putting himself in charge of everything.

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manitcor 42 points 3 years ago

they won't. Spez is learning how much of reddit's success has nothing to do with reddit itself. hopefully we have all learned from the messy and long experiment with letting corps control our gardens.

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hydra 5 points 3 years ago

He's not learning anything LMAO
Corporations NEVER learn

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TWeaK 14 points 3 years ago

His name is Steve Huffman, and he's a former mod of r/jailbait and as such a paedophile.

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CascadeDismayed 4 points 3 years ago

This comment needs to be a lot higher.

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EsotericEmbryo 2 points 3 years ago

Dude for real! I thought people were just saying that because fuck the guy but no it's actually true. Pretty fucked up! And as far as I had seen on Reddit it wasn't ever mentioned before although that's probably because Spez would have shadowbanned and deleted/edited the comments if it did ever out him.

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CascadeDismayed 3 points 3 years ago

They killed Aaron Swartz and close sourced Reddit. That was really the end. People such as the Lemmy founder, knew it which is why they built this, to free us from those power structures. Spez and people like him deserve to burn in their own special hell.

The great migration is here and we have to work as hard as possible now to preserve this work and freedom from such people. Spez and Reddit, is finished, if we will it so.

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PsychoticBananaSplit 56 points 3 years ago

This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.

Reddit doesn't disallow mods from posting "Join us on Discord" and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.

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Firebat 55 points 3 years ago

This post seems somewhat disingenuous. One of the mods Cedarwolf posted his side of what happened 2 hours prior to this post appearing, and if we were to believe his side of the story the top mod who hasn't been active for a year just decided to join the blackout against other mods wishes.

Yes, it's two conflicting stories but he claims to have evidence that he's been inactive. Basically, people should look into this more than assume truth in the headline.

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ImLunaHey 20 points 3 years ago

Both /r/tumblr and /r/AdviceAnimals had shaky mod teams. Even though I completely disagree with the admins on everything else this made perfect sense. Plus out of the 8k subs that blacked out only 2 had admins intervene which makes me think it really was just mods fighting and the admins stepping in.

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Photographer 6 points 3 years ago

I'm in a number of subs with an inactive top mod who can't be removed because they threaten to demod people from larger communities where they also hold high up inactive positions...

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manitcor 6 points 3 years ago

def link and ill put it in the body, i just posted it as i ran across it this am

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kratoz29 54 points 3 years ago

It feels reassuring being here in Lemmy away of that shit show.

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LoamImprovement 17 points 3 years ago

I'm just waiting for substitutes of my old groups to start populating instances here. I'll be deleting my reddit account probably before the end of the month when RIF goes offline.

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kratoz29 6 points 3 years ago

Same, honestly it feels like a fresh start, but without all the bad shit of Reddit (I'm not even counting the recent API scam).

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StalinsMoustache 52 points 3 years ago
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CanadaPlus 50 points 3 years ago

They should tread lightly. Reddit in no way has the ability to function (edit: at least on short notice) without volunteer mods. To some degree they can find scabs, but I honestly don't know how many and how good.

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roboticide 49 points 3 years ago
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thefloatingpoint 49 points 3 years ago

I just returned for a couple of minutes and it’s a fucking shitshow. I don’t know if it has become worse or if it just feels like that because Lemmy is much more friendly, but Reddit seems to be much more toxic right now.

It is also so obvious that people are trying to use this as some kind of coup. Users interact with the thematic, get explained what the blackout is about, just to comment complete bs about it one comment later. They are acting dumb to gain momentum.

I really hope this will end up in a worldpolitics situation.

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wheresyourshoe 21 points 3 years ago

There seems to be a correlation between civility and willingness to put up with spez. If you're willing to put up with all the bs he's been spewing since this started, you're less civil. All the respectful people came here, or are finding other replacements. People who don't care stayed, and it shows.

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MercuryUprising 7 points 3 years ago

Makes a lot of sense. Its a fun y microcosm for this kind of conservative attitude that is permeating through society. "No, change is scary and we will not only be against it, but will also be actively hostile towards it."

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

"People should be free to spout hate and bigotry with no consequences." The difference between reddit and real life is that people who don't want to deal with that bullshit don't have to move, they can just not use the site.

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DABDA 6 points 3 years ago

Fear the people that love peace and quiet, for they will do anything to get it.

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matzah 2 points 3 years ago

You hit the nail on the head! It’s going to be full of ick just like Twitter. Ah well.

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

spez is right-wing, thus right-wingers tend to side with him. Hope he enjoys his site full of his low-effort shitposting buddies!

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manitcor 19 points 3 years ago

oh its def toxic, there are certain types running rampant and some people get VERY grumpy when deprived of thier volunteer curated entertainment feeds.

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apolinariomabussy 14 points 3 years ago

I had the same observations as well! Not sure if it's just my confirmation bias, but it does seem like reddit feels a lot more toxic right now. I feel like it really is compounded by how relatively welcoming lemmy has been for refugees recently, alongside it still being fresh. I feel like I can be more open here as well, and many others probably do so too.

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Melvin_Ferd 12 points 3 years ago

I noticed that too. Like a lot of people are upset that users would mess with a company. r/JoeRogan is much more toxic than usual like a flood gate opened

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Photographer 21 points 3 years ago

Joe Rogan has always been toxic, its the alt right with a wig

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DreadedChalupacabra 11 points 3 years ago

Straight up, all the good subs locked themselves and all of the reasonable people walked away.

Twitter just did the same thing. Spez said he wasn't gonna mimic twitter and then fully mimicked twitter.

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

Yup. The good mods were what kept reddit from fully devolving into a cesspool. Now the trolls and shitposters who craved less moderation will get it. They can have it.

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AdaleiM 49 points 3 years ago

Oof, not a good look. We'll have to watch more of the larger subs to see if this happens to them too.

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NoTime 48 points 3 years ago

It's a 2 day blackout for god's sake, and it's nearly at the end of it! Was it really necessary to do that?

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manitcor 55 points 3 years ago

shows how desperate they really are, honestly feeling like we should push for more communities to commit to longer. even just to the end of the week may create capitulation. not that ill go back!

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SuperSloth 47 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, Reddit can just keep doing that as often as they want. Fortunately though, there are few people who will actually be able to do a good job moderating especially for FREE. They will burn through the good candidates and have to rely on unqualified people to do a mediocre job. This will ruin the content quality and eventually kill the sub. So long term we may still win, but short term we will likely see little change. The problem is always the level of involvement of the general public.

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steakfries 26 points 3 years ago

i imagine a lot of subreddits will have to deal with a loooot of spam and bullshit posts about nothing in the near future. i can't imagine anyone worthwhile that isn't just powertripping actually wanting to mod a large sub anymore. whats the point? you arent getting paid anything, and its not even on your terms. like wtf. fuck reddit man.

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ininewcrow 15 points 3 years ago

It's also timely that they are wanting to tank the website leading up to the US election. I know it's a long way away and I don't like conspiracy theories but Reddit was a hot bed for socially minded people to debate important issues ..... it was like the town square .... now they've paved over it, building a Starbucks/McDonald's outlet and telling people to go away and go talk somewhere else.

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steakfries 6 points 3 years ago

whoaaa thats a good conspiracy.

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Pulsar 46 points 3 years ago

Well here is me abandoning reddit after 10 years. At the end they can do whatever they want with reddit and i can choose in which platform waste my time.

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Zetaphor 15 points 3 years ago

Same here after 11, they forget that the users create the value, they're only the middlemen.

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SomeGuyNamedPaul 7 points 3 years ago

Which is why I ran Power Delete Suite on my account on the way out. I created a lot of value and they apparently didn't appreciate that, so now it's all gone.

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MercuryUprising 7 points 3 years ago

12 year user with 700k comment karma. Power washing my account by months end.

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Stovetop 1 point 3 years ago

13 year user here. Well, I only managed half as much karma as you, but that's my plan as well.

Just gotta make sure to do it before the API change, or else the tools to wipe your comments will likely cease to function.

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Zetaphor 4 points 3 years ago

I ended up using redact.dev to overwrite everything and then delete

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buckykat 7 points 3 years ago

They know users create the value but in order to turn that value into a form that makes investors happy they have to squeeze the users. It's like a digital Macquarie Island and we're all penguins.

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minimar 2 points 3 years ago

This feels like an odd episode to be hosted on "all things comedy".

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

There are ways to accomplish that without being overtly hostile to the people who give your site value. He's just choosing to do it in the stupidest way possible.

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buckykat 2 points 3 years ago

It's either overtly hostile or covertly hostile

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redballooon 45 points 3 years ago

We can only hope reddit dissappoints their moderators so much they'd rather moderate lemmy communities :)

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_number8_ 45 points 3 years ago

i love that they're making this extreme choice over fucking advice animals which haven't been relevant in literally 10+years

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pozbo 45 points 3 years ago

I'll watch spez digg this grave. I'm not shocked, we have all seen it happen before.

This place feels real, and personally that's all that matters. Reddit has been plastic for a while now. I'm happy to watch the ceo handle it like such a stooge, it almost seems like he wants to tank the company before tencent eats it all up.

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sparky 43 points 3 years ago

Fuck Reddit. But honestly I’m less and less invested with each passing day. I re-opened Apollo today and it’s already starting to feel old, foreign. I guess that means Lemmy is home now.

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aka_oscar 13 points 3 years ago

Same. Im already within more communities than i ever had subreddits. Theres simply more to talk about here imo. The platform just needs to grow a little bigger and well have the ultra-niche communities not be complete ghost towns. Cant wait!

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couragethebravedog 42 points 3 years ago

Saw this coming the moment the blackouts were being planned

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Arystique 40 points 3 years ago

This is extremely short-sighted on reddits part, elevating lower mods to leads can cause so much drama in a community particularly when the lower mods don't have experience, the lower mods will probably make basic mistakes that'll turn the average base away from the subreddit.

this is really going to bite reddit in the ass if they try it more its like trying to fix a leak by sticking random objects in the hole

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Phileosopher 44 points 3 years ago

This plays out like things I've seen in real life:

  1. Get a community/club/church/workplace going with a good set of leaders.
  2. The system becomes unwieldy through bureaucracy, excessive rules, whatever.
  3. Leadership can't change it, so they storm off in a huff after nobody listens to them.
  4. Power-mongering Assistant to the Regional Manager takes their shot to run the show.
  5. Everything becomes awful.
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llama 38 points 3 years ago

Well good for them, they can have a lot of fun paying reddit staff to be the mods now.

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Phileosopher 16 points 3 years ago

In all fairness, that's how Twitter did things from what I can understand.

Of course, that can be quite the payroll expense, especially with a weird model with a panoply of interest-based domains.

I'm sure the Reddit employees will be up to it and has all the equipment necessary for it. That protest was about the amazing internal tooling the mods loved using, right?

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yads 22 points 3 years ago

If they think that their API costs were high imagine how expensive paid moderation is.

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jcg 10 points 3 years ago

Pretty sure spez said it wasn't the cost of running or maintaining the API that was the problem, but the opportunity cost of having users on third party apps. At least, that's what I cleaned from Christian Selig's post.

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GlitchyDigiBun 9 points 3 years ago

But man is he beating around the bush about that. Sprinkling "but Apollo won't play ball :(" to shift the blame. Fuck Spez.

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gorkette 7 points 3 years ago

It is all about the data collection that they are missing from people using 3rd party apps.

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taj 7 points 3 years ago

Eh, that's what India is for.

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MercuryUprising 12 points 3 years ago

Thank you for doing the needful

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boomboxnation 38 points 3 years ago

Wait...the comment seems to indicate that the primary mod did not want to go dark, and an inactive mod came in and made it go dark. I understand being upset...but this does not seem like anything a Reddit admin would do?

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lixus98 37 points 3 years ago

So we can expect the mods of bigger subreddits to also lose their permissions? How will the admins manage to moderate 8k subs?

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kratoz29 13 points 3 years ago

The fact that they need to work their asses to accomplish this makes me happy... Not the part of recovering control for sure.

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notExactlyI20 8 points 3 years ago

Damage control is the least of their problems now. If things going as they are rn, by the end of the week (if more and more subs keep going dark/getting their mods kicked out) Reddit will come to a point of no return. That shit about to looney tunes sink like a mf.

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CookieJarObserver 7 points 3 years ago
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Gerula 37 points 3 years ago

It isn't surprising at all, it's about hard money not about communities and fuzzy warm feelings. It seems everyone is working hard down at Reddit to make as much money as they can out of an IPO for a zombified carcass.

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IcySyndicate 36 points 3 years ago
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JerkyIsSuperior 33 points 3 years ago

The way things are going R*ddit is going to become what Digg is today - a minimalist editor run link agreggator

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rufipenisbasilisk 33 points 3 years ago

Keep the blackout going. Even if they boot mods and reopen subs, don’t visit. I wonder how much traffic/revenue they have lost so far.

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taj 4 points 3 years ago

I admit to morbid curiosity. Browser, cleaned of cookies and poking around. It's pretty sad.

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

Some, not a significant amount, I imagine. reddit is huge so this is gong to be a very slow decline.

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rufipenisbasilisk 3 points 3 years ago

Even more reason to stay away

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

Oh, absolutely!

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Thief 33 points 3 years ago

Not going back. Disgusting behaviour.

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DeFaced 32 points 3 years ago

Welp, I'm officially never going back to reddit, might as well start deleting my account now...

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skillissuer 7 points 3 years ago
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SomeGuyNamedPaul 7 points 3 years ago

I can personally attest to the efficacy of this tool. It destroyed 12 years of typing in like 6 minutes.

Five stars, would nuke again.

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skillissuer 5 points 3 years ago
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Jagermo 31 points 3 years ago

Have fun paying for moderation or have Spam running rampant. That won't get you out of the red numbers, spez. Just fuel for the fire.

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Photographer 4 points 3 years ago

There will always be someone willing to take over as mod and that is the problem

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DreadedChalupacabra 9 points 3 years ago

Yeah, there are 2 kinds of people that mod though. The ones who actively adore the community and subject matter, and the ones that just want power and prestige. People who would step up after a protest to fill a void that was forcefully created are GUARANTEED to be the latter.

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago

Yes, and they'll very likely do a shitty job, lowering the quality of the sub and driving away decent users.

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clonedhuman 30 points 3 years ago

Lemmy should make itself as much like Reddit as it possibly can except for the small handful of money-grubbing cunts who'd rather destroy communities than allow them to exist without profiting from them.

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JohnDClay 30 points 3 years ago

Does that mean they're unmoderated now? r/worldpolotics here we come!

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averagedrunk 22 points 3 years ago

If someone were angry about what they're doing (not me, I've been through this so many times on so many sites that I'm apathetic) they could definitely put a coordinated effort into filling the subs that admins take over with anime titties to prove a point.

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Vex_Detrause 6 points 3 years ago

Is this what happened to r/world_news that's why the news moved to r/anime_titties? Except with the title "anime_titties" it's a pretty good moderated news subreddit.

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minimar 2 points 3 years ago

The more important question, should we keep the swap here?

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jon 30 points 3 years ago

Gee, what a surprise that everyone called last week. Of course Reddit admins are booting uncooperative mods in favor of those that will un-private their subs, they have zero reason to be loyal to mods protesting against them. And they're actively losing advertising revenue for each sub that's dark.

The real way to protest this is to delete your Reddit account and never look back. Monthly active users is the only statistic that will force them to backtrack on any of the API pricing changes, and loads of people that have moved to Lemmy are actively using both platforms.

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Lemmy2023 29 points 3 years ago

This is informative and unfortunate.

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vernes1978 29 points 3 years ago path: 0 166223, hotness: undefined, score: 29, children: 7
grin 27 points 3 years ago

That's why we desperately need downvoting, making fake stories sink to the bottom.

my 2 'cents

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berno 26 points 3 years ago

this is how reddit dies. not with a whimper, but with a greedy CEO.

get fucked spez!

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ngwoo 26 points 3 years ago

Mods should just reopen but refuse to moderate. Disable automod as well.

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ErilElidor 19 points 3 years ago

This is the way. Just remember what happened to /r/worldpolitics, the mods basically didn't want to moderate anymore and it became a shit show of spammers.

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FrankTheHealer 15 points 3 years ago

Crazy that /r/AnimeTitties came along to fill that void lol

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nutlink 16 points 3 years ago

I was going to say they should all turn into porn subs, but I think your way is easier and would likely have the same outcome anyway.

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joshuaacasey 10 points 3 years ago
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darius 5 points 3 years ago path: 0 154227 160142 165130 165722, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
joshuaacasey 4 points 3 years ago
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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

Nah, delete the subs, make the remaining trolls and shitposters start from scratch.

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Merthin1234 25 points 3 years ago
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TWeaK 25 points 3 years ago

Duuuuuude they didn't wait long did they? And they attack r/adviceanimals, one of the core subs, even though it isn't one of the defaults anymore.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Huffman brings back r/jailbait. The fucking dirty paedo.

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briongloid 24 points 3 years ago

They would want to test it on one subreddit first and see how it went. The quality will tank, but this is something they could get away with.

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girlfreddy 18 points 3 years ago

Yup. They only care about the ipo at this point. Money is far more important than ethics.

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dear_faye 24 points 3 years ago

And I thought they wouldn't go any lower. It's disgusting how far they're willing to go - it's like they're so eager to prove us right.

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alstraire 8 points 3 years ago

I knew they were going to do this, but it's funny how fast it happened. The memo leak of the CEO to employees saying that "[this blackout] will pass" ups the comedy. Nothing like alienating your volunteer mods on your community-build website.

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, I was ready to just leave anyway, but his memo was basically telling everyone who gives a shit about the quality of reddit to gtfo. Done.

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teruma 7 points 3 years ago

oh, I fucking called it a mile away.

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omnilynx 23 points 3 years ago

It'll just lead to a general decline in sub quality.

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Nogami 23 points 3 years ago

I'm quite happy here now. Given up on reddit. The day Apollo's API key is deleted is the day I edit all of my comments and give up on the platform completely. It's strange I how feel no regret over saying that. It's just the way it's going to be.

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slaypuree 23 points 3 years ago

It’s depressing that I’m not surprised one bit. At this point, I don’t even think it’s worth sticking around until 3PA shut down on the 30th.

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Makiterr 22 points 3 years ago path: 0 142336, hotness: undefined, score: 22, children: 1
manitcor 22 points 3 years ago

Investors: "You took over a sub in concert with a user named u/PussyWhistle?"

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ComradePupIvy 21 points 3 years ago

This is what we call scab behavior, Kids do not be like this mod, do not be a scabb, if you see a picket line do not cross it. If everyone else is striking join your fellows and strike with them.

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PacketGain 21 points 3 years ago

I wonder if they saw a bunch of traffic trying to access advice animals and decided it was a good testing grounds for removing mods.

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bh11235 20 points 3 years ago
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eeltech 20 points 3 years ago

Reddit? Are they new? Never heard of it 🤣 Probably won't get very big

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OrthoStice 20 points 3 years ago

Greedy people fuckin' nice things up. Nothing new under the sun.

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zombuey 20 points 3 years ago

They did the same thing to admins of other major subreddits even before the blackout. They also removed initial posts regarding it on major subreddits. Thats why I chose to leave.

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aka_oscar 20 points 3 years ago

I was looking at the reddit protest stream when it happened. Since it only says it reopened, i was a bit sad that such a huge sub would withdraw their desicion.

This makes more sense, and its awful.

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legion 19 points 3 years ago

So much for all the "oh, it's not hurting our revenue" dismissals.

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Aurix 19 points 3 years ago

This is downright terrifying. A major escalation of the blackout and deleting your content - with the help of european law - is a nice response to that, if they do not step back. This is perhaps the most extreme measure to be taken, short of destroying the data center itself. An emptied reddit history is a massive loss of knowledge and perhaps questionably damaging for the outside world.

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manitcor 16 points 3 years ago

I am on the never going back path at this point, Im not even sure Ill be reopening the sub with links point back here, that still gives them value.

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Stalinwolf 2 points 3 years ago

How do I effectively nuke my entire account and remove all posts and comments?

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skogens_ro 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 140612 154038 164544, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
hydra 1 point 3 years ago

just backup your data and repost into lemmy

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hddsx 1 point 3 years ago

What’s stopping Reddit from checking your IP and seeing that you’re not from the EU and restoring your data from a backup

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starrox 2 points 3 years ago

It would leave them open to potentially devastating legal consequences if an affected EU citizen can prove in court that reddit makes money of his content, which he deleted. Also the "right to be forgotten" as in the GDPR formulated would be violated.

IF reddit really goes that way, they'd have to anonymize at least the usernames. Which would make it extremely hard to prove that something is "your content" and not someone elses.

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TenNinetythree 2 points 3 years ago

IANAL, but how the GDPR is formulated. Reddit would need to prove that you are not an EU citizen, iirc.

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hddsx 2 points 3 years ago

So it’s not enough to prove that the IP used is not from the EU and that therefore it’s (supposedly) not under EU jurisdiction?

It covers EU citizens traveling abroad?

If so, dang that’s a good law

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TenNinetythree 4 points 3 years ago

According to WP: The GDPR also applies to data controllers and processors outside of the European Economic Area (EEA) if they are engaged in the "offering of goods or services" (regardless of whether a payment is required) to data subjects within the EEA, or are monitoring the behaviour of data subjects within the EEA (Article 3(2)). The regulation applies regardless of where the processing takes place.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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hddsx 1 point 3 years ago
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Aurix 1 point 3 years ago

Slap them with a real lawsuit, if they guess wrong.

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artistan 18 points 3 years ago

Apparently, a heck of a lost of drama involving this.

Link to reddit for those who wants to give traffic to reddit - https://old.reddit.com/...

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manitcor 18 points 3 years ago

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artistan 6 points 3 years ago

I'm curious about the what is happening... but I feel bad every time I click into reddit.

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manitcor 10 points 3 years ago

i was there forever, i can give you a dramatic retilling of what is happening before it happens

would you like to hear about how reddit dies?

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artistan 7 points 3 years ago

Hah! Some one will need to read this in Morgan Freeman voice for extra entertainment!

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sukan 16 points 3 years ago
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slacktoid 18 points 3 years ago

bootlickers, inc.

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DreamySweet 18 points 3 years ago

I saw a lot of people predicting this before the blackout. I expect a lot of the mods will refuse to moderate.

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kresten 17 points 3 years ago

That's insane. I honestly thought it was solely romours, like Spez editing messages on behalf of others (which I still don't believe in)

Edit: I believe it now though.

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Panda 16 points 3 years ago

Actually I accidentally clicked a Reddit link on Google earlier today and (I don't remember the subreddit) my first thought was: I'm pretty sure this subreddit took part in the blackout so why can I see its posts like nothing happened?

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Panda 4 points 3 years ago

Hang on, when I go to the Reddark website now a bunch of subreddits have gone from private to public. Is it because it's the 14th or because someone intervened with the protest?

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

Probably because they didn't commit to longer than 48 hours and decided not to stay closed.

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totallynotsocsa 15 points 3 years ago

Definitely called this. All the right wing trolls on Reddit are salivating at the thought of turning this into a coup by hopping into top mod spots in exchange for licking boot tread. The outcome is pretty obvious.

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baduhai 15 points 3 years ago

Anybody have a link to this post? I can't find it in the user's page.

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croobat 15 points 3 years ago

At first I thought they chickened out, now somehow I am both relieved and extremely sad.

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TDSP 14 points 3 years ago

Admins in /r/modsupport were breaking records last week to tell mods who had a dormant top mod come back and private the sub that they would “resolve the issue”. Then after saying that they didn’t do anything for a few days. Guess they are gonna start doing that to the big subs to reopen them.

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helpimnotdrowning 14 points 3 years ago

Can't say i didn't expect this.

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Lev_Astov 13 points 3 years ago

Time to leave every single major subreddit.

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roi 13 points 3 years ago

I figured this would happen

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cumumber 13 points 3 years ago

fuck reddit, all thanks to spez and reddit admins

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Pili 12 points 3 years ago

"Memes are good formats for taking complex ideas, then condensing them into something that is easy to digest and distribute"

Wow... that guy actually thinks that you can use advice animals to convey complex ideas. I'm at a loss for words.

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slep 12 points 3 years ago

Sad to see all of this happening

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circuscritic 12 points 3 years ago

This was inevitable, unfortunately.

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fne8w2ah 12 points 3 years ago

And of course the obligatory eff spez.

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Myriadblue 11 points 3 years ago

Hey. Will you look at that. Any interest in reddit just disappeared. Gg spez.

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burak 11 points 3 years ago
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bootyberrypancakes 11 points 3 years ago

I called it, had a feeling they would lol

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thescoutisaspy 11 points 3 years ago

OMG Who saw that coming! /s

What a DICK.

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khan_shot_1st 11 points 3 years ago

It was only a matter of time...

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Pixlbabble 10 points 3 years ago

Off topic, who owns/runs the servers here and how does it make money? I'm new I'm curious.

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gapbetweenus 10 points 3 years ago

Trying to make the change easy.

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IowaMan 10 points 3 years ago

I want to see them try!

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manitcor 24 points 3 years ago

just a heads up, gifs and MP4s dont do so well here yet, most will just get a broken player.

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IowaMan 5 points 3 years ago

Ah, a shame but reasonable. Worth a test :D

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nonfuinoncuro 2 points 3 years ago

worked fine for me

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janeshep 13 points 3 years ago

not on Jerboa it doesn't :(

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AustralianSimon 10 points 3 years ago

Completely expected tbh

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montyG 10 points 3 years ago

Are Reddit admins the sub owners or Reddit employees?

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Ashralien 10 points 3 years ago

I wonder what will happen to the subreddits that had voted to black out for the week from the get- go?

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Hellebert 10 points 3 years ago

Biggie knew. Treat everything like it’s your first day because nothing is guaranteed.

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baleygr 10 points 3 years ago

It was sort of expected, unfortunately. Let's see if they keep doing it to other subs and how things will go if they keep removing mods.

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artistan 9 points 3 years ago
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fishhf 5 points 3 years ago

Is there a Reddit drama community I could follow?

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Sternout 7 points 3 years ago

c/snoocalypse maybe?

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colorfulmoth 8 points 3 years ago

oh my god, what a turn of events. who would have thought?

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Ungoliantsspawn 7 points 3 years ago

This is huge! And should be shared far and wide! This sort of crap is why a single company can't be in charge: sooner or later some CEO some board member or whatever decides to pull some crap like this and thinks accountability is not applicable because he said so. This is why federation is a must in this day and age.

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CookieJarObserver 7 points 3 years ago
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zombuey 6 points 3 years ago

They did the same thing to admins of other major subreddits even before the blackout. They also removed initial posts regarding it on major subreddits.

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madmonki 5 points 3 years ago

literal assholes

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Ashhwaghandaa 4 points 3 years ago

That tampon-faced fuck.

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realcaseyrollins 2 points 3 years ago

That sucks. But the blackout has been horrible from a user standpoint.

There's a wealth of helpful information on Reddit that's just been obliterated from the internet now. Half the time when I'm searching for a solution for something I don't even click on Reddit anymore.

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axtualdave 47 points 3 years ago

That's kind of the point, though.

If people weren't bothered, why would reddit need to change?

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janeshep 41 points 3 years ago

that's how strikes work, you know

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manitcor 13 points 3 years ago

So before normal users came we would tell people to RTFM, most of what was on there was posted from manuals often paraphrased (yes I get how that can help). There is very little on reddit that cannot be found in other locations though I will admit there are likely a handful of subs that did some unique stuff. Side effect of being primarily a link aggregator.

Also encourage people to back up before shredding.

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asap 5 points 3 years ago

There is very little on reddit that cannot be found in other locations

The problem is that those other locations are frequently blog-style posts written primarily for SEO rankings, and the actual information is buried in pages of irrelevant content.

Reddit had a very high signal to noise ratio for niche hobby / technical questions.

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minimar 6 points 3 years ago

That's good. The very core point of a protest is to be disruptive, that's how it works.

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goat 0 points 3 years ago

Weren't they already in control of the subs? There's 4k admins, apparently.

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Tanker0921 0 points 3 years ago
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Tanker0921 -1 points 3 years ago
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RandAlThor -4 points 3 years ago

Yes I don't want reddit mods and admins taking over this place. When I left reddit I am leaving their mods too.

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Pixlbabble -15 points 3 years ago

Commies!

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Pixlbabble -19 points 3 years ago

Commies

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gaylord -27 points 3 years ago

BASED

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