Just found this space, I'm trying to play around with this platform. Can anyone help to explain?
What does Lemmy do better than Reddit?
3 years ago by austinngo to c/nostupidquestions
Just found this space, I'm trying to play around with this platform. Can anyone help to explain?
Yeah Lemmy feels a lot like Reddit from 10-15 years ago. Mostly cordial conversation on a wide variety of topics, the biggest difference I see is the lack of activity in certain communities, which is a bit of a shame. But I guess that's a trade-off.
Give it time. Better to grow organically.
That's where we need to get back to is 2010.
Self-proclaimed future leader of an apocalyptic survival compound, and obvious Elon wannabe? That Steve Huffman?
steve Huffman, the thirty-three-year-old co-founder and C.E.O. of Reddit, which is valued at six hundred million dollars, was nearsighted until November, 2015, when he arranged to have laser eye surgery. He underwent the procedure not for the sake of convenience or appearance but, rather, for a reason he doesn’t usually talk much about: he hopes that it will improve his odds of surviving a disaster, whether natural or man-made. “If the world ends—and not even if the world ends, but if we have trouble—getting contacts or glasses is going to be a huge pain in the ass,” he told me recently. “Without them, I’m fucked.”
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Huffman has been a frequent attendee at Burning Man, the annual, clothing-optional festival in the Nevada desert, where artists mingle with moguls. He fell in love with one of its core principles, “radical self-reliance,” which he takes to mean “happy to help others, but not wanting to require others.” Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
There are some other funny bits in that article, like Spez having "large blue eyes" and once was a competitive ballroom dancer.
3rd party app support...
There are many other reasons, but let's be real. A lot of us ditched reddit because they dropped support for third party apps. Having an interface that isn't trying to constantly milk you for all sorts of monetization schemes matters a lot, as it so happens. Enough to say goodbye to a lot of familiar and large communities with otherwise good information.
There’s many communities I miss, but without third party apps that place became unbearable. The equivalent ones are not as active, but i can actually read and participate in discussions here.
Two things that come to mind:
Lemmy's protocol is open, so anybody can make 3rd party apps to work with it. Third party Reddit apps used to be popular when Reddit had an open API, but Reddit destroyed that on purpose.
Because Lemmy isn't run by a singular company, you don't get the same restrictions. Reddit admins had a whole host of rules on what a sub could or could not contain. Many of which were heavy focused on making Reddit more advertiser friendly.
The funniest part of killing 3rd party apps is they cut off a widely used method if collecting more commenting data from the average user. I guess they figured audience style interaction on the official app is worth more.
The official app purportedly has a shit ton of interaction tracking. I can't find the link anymore, but somebody on HN even claimed what they wanted to track was so invasive that he walked out of a job interview for Reddit.
What I can say for sure is that the new Reddit "shreddit" website is absolutely fucking full of tracking. I reverse engineered it for reasons, and every interaction with UI elements was reported back before the actual interaction was allowed to take place.
They definitely gain more value out of user data from interaction tracking than they do from their comments.
Tracking clicks on links with JS is pretty normal. I always implemented that with Google analytics for my e-commerce sites.
It helps you track things like downloads of files, email links, exit links, etc.
As a former web dev, I know it's normal industry standard stuff, but it's really hard to give Reddit the benefit of the doubt here.
Their tracking is completely ingrained in the webcomponent-based SPA itself, beyond what's reasonable for anonymized analytics. Disabling cookies even broke loading content, despite being logged out.
You can also use Voyager on Android! If you squint real hard, you can pretend Apollo finally released on a non-Apple device.
Oh, there were plenty of ads. You just didn't recognize them as such.
You can see the number of up votes and down votes.
The API is much more open to third party apps.
The people are generally nicer.
Features are not paywalled.
Code is open source, so anyone and everyone can contribute.
Oh it's you
Only downside is when you DO finally have an, "Oh, it's you" moment, you'd better hope they're not one of the few people doing the posting.
Somewhere along the way, I learned that for a village to thrive, the creative people (the artisans, the musicians etc) must move in first, they form the roots, then the rest of the village follows them.
The creative people moved from Digg to Reddit. That's what made Reddit Reddit, not the brand, or the UI, or some genius exec.
The creative people have mass migrated to Lemmy, & hence Lemmy will thrive. How do you know - see where og memes originate. Genius is not the domain of AI, & hence Reddit is Deaddit. We're now just waiting for the rest to follow.
I've yet to see artists migrate here. The artists started on DA, Newgrounds, YT, Tumblr, etc. The professionals moved to Twitter.
Reddit started from geek & tech culture, not creatives. Its ability to foster discussion extended well to not just techies but to everyone. Most creatives I've seen shy away from Reddit.
For starters, Lemmy -- which uses open source ActivityPub protocols -- is decentralized and comprised of thousands of independently-run servers, so it's theoretically impossible to take down Lemmy completely. If lemmy.world goes down today and never comes back, the "Lemmy" network will still be online because of the other servers like lemmy.zip and sh.itjust.works that use Lemmy server software (which is currently at version .19 or around there).
Worth nothing: Lemmy is part of the Fediverse, which is an umbrella term to describe all ActivityPub software types. Yes, other software packages also use ActivityPub protocols to communicate... for example, Kbin (the "main" site is kbin.social, it's sorta like their lemmy.world) is a news aggregator like Lemmy and interacts with Lemmy almost seamlessly. There's also Mastodon, a Twitter-like service that currently Kbin users can interact with (but not Lemmy).
In short: it's kinda complex at the moment, and many parts of the Fediverse (which Lemmy belongs to) don't interact with each other directly because they provide different services, but it's important to note that it's really hard to take it down completely because the Fediverse is independently owned and run by different people in different parts of the world. Contrast with Reddit, a service that does have many servers but is owned and run by a single company in America.
Edit: I was wrong, Mastodon users can post on Lemmy instances, but Lemmy users can't post on Mastodon instances. Thanks Baku@aussie.zone for the info!
Ah ok, I didn't know they could post here, that's really cool. Thanks for the correction!
the “Lemmy” network
There isn't a Lemmy network, there's just ActivityPub or more colloquially the Fediverse :)
I think it's mostly subjective or anecdotal, but what comes to mind:

If anything, the only reason why I still use reddit is for smaller, niche, communities. To that end, yeah Lemmy is smaller, thus the smaller reddit communities are even smaller here. If I find myself wanting to make a post on a given niche topic, I typically post on Reddit AND here. Sometimes, my post on Lemmy will somehow get more comments than reddit still though. Reddit posts seem to fall off after a day or so, that's not typically the case for Lemmy if you do trend something.
At the end of the day though, this is just a social media platform, and the enjoyment you get out of it comes down to you. ☺️ One tip I do have though is to sort by "Top of 6h" or "12h". I don't like the "Hot" sorting on here that much.
I don't think this is definitively "better" than reddit. The functionality of the site is more bare bones. No big hidden features or anything like that. What you see is what you get as far as interfaces go. But I am enjoying it. It reminds me of a much younger Internet and much simpler times. I am loving that Lemmy servers are run by your average joe who just wanted to start up a Lemmy community. No single CEO who only cares about how profitable a site is.
By being federated and decentralized, Lemmy makes it impossible for one idiot billionaire to ruin an entire platform.
In order to "take over" Lemmy, they would have to take over more than 1,300 Instances, in many different countries, instead of one instance in one country.
Hey, hey... Millionaire. Don't inflate him.
Last night I made a post on c/asklemmy and that post now has 200 upvotes and a bunch of engagement.
On Reddit, that post would've been removed for some stupid reason or no engagement whatsoever.
Reddit also has a stupid algorithm thing and I could never find the posts from communities I subscribed to on my feed leaving many posts lost.
Gotta third this. I had actually forgotten how bad it was till this was mentioned because it never happens on Lemmy. Love that. I had a few posts removed for accidentally missing an obscure rule on Reddit. Do not miss.
Unfortunately, it still happens even here on Lemmy. I don't think we see it as much because most communities here have far fewer mods than adjacent Reddit subs on average, but occasionally you'll find a mod here who thinks they know better than their community and does whatever they feel like.
You can see exactly how it works under the hood. Also, when a major issue is found, people would quickly contribute to fix it (reporting the issue,, summiting patch, testing the fix, etc).
I've seen both very passionate tone deaf communities and very inclusive friendly communities. Steer a course and you might find calmer waters.
These days my Lemmy experience is listing through main page which accumulates god knows what. Even though I do curate a list of desired communities. Perhaps I should start filtering content I interact with.
You can mute specific instances. For example, not saying you should, but if you would happen to find all people from Hexbear insuffurable, you could make that instance disapeaar. Again, I'm not saying this specific community is filled with cocky asshole, but I'm not saying it's not either. I really can't as I haven't seen any of their content since a long time.
Reddit, especially the bigger subs - feels really, really stupid lately. And I hate to say that because it sounds so insulting, but it really does feel like the average “IQ” on the site has gone from being this kind of tech/nerd culture of reasonably well educated people to like… old ladies complaining about their ‘entitled’ DoorDash drivers. It often feels like Facebook.
Don’t get me wrong, Lemmy isn’t 100% geniuses or anything and there are some smart people on Reddit, but on Lemmy I’ll actually have back and forth conversations with people and it feels like more people are acting like human beings
Eternal summer hasn't hit here yet. Eternal August? Whatever the term is.
In terms of the more populous instances, I think Lemmy reminds me of old Reddit before the site went mainstream, minus the jailbait, incest-posting, rampant racism and other degenerate shit that Reddit used to be known for.
The accuracy of the votes (lack or vote fuzzing) and the ability to view the split of upvotes and downvotes individually, as well as who voted for what
The latter point can be seen as a kind of disadvantage though. I don't like the fact that anyone who is an admin on any instance can go to another instance and see the identity of every voter on any post.
It's just an option on every post
https://i.imgur.com/j5ZB8vi.png
On the regular Lemmy UI you can see the option if you're an admin (on any instance, not just the one the comment was made on)
Link/comment karma isn't tracked so karma whoring is lessened. This doesn't stop the "meme of the week" stuff or the same basic (but big important) article from 30 sources getting posted to communities, but it helps a bit
As servers are federated, you can block them wholesale. Ones that become infested with shitters might see others defederate from them.
Superior layout, or at least notably better then new reddit... maybe on par with old.
up and downvotes visible and unfuzzed.
Yeah... seems like most of the people here are of the younger under 25 crowd, where on Reddit that was still the case but there were a lot more adults to have full adult discussions with. I still check Lemmy but less and less.
It allows anyone to host it themselves and still integrate with each other, which is radically more fair and empowering. It's a difference in quality.
You can pick an instance that aligns with the way you like to be. But those instances are still kept in check because if they get too shit, they get defederated.
For example, feddit.uk can operate in a uk-style way for which words we do and don't find offensive, and the level of piss-taking we do.
disclaimer: i am not a web developer or a programmer, so if the language use is semantically incorrect, i apologize—I am merely trying to provide a layman’s explanation.
it’s just a bunch of little “reddits” (general discussion forum websites) that are independently hosted, but have the ability to cross post with one-another (so long as they are “federated”).
lemmy is the underlying technology that lets that happen, not the top level entity (like how reddit is the name of the website that is the forum host). so what you have is a bunch of different independent websites running lemmy that users individually create accounts on, and a lot of those individual websites communicate with each-other to create cohesive “fediverse.”
on the front end, whatever lemmy website someone signs up on, they are able to see all the content created and posted across all the separate websites that have federated together with the initial website the user signed up with.
so in short, you may have signed up with Lemmy Server 1 that has 800 individual forum topics (communities/ or subreddits) but you can also post in and interact with Lemmy Server 2, which is separately hosted and a very specific forum that only allows forum topics about bunny tossing so there are two topics: /BunnyTossing and /BunnyTossingMemes. So long as lemmy servers 1 and 2 are federated you’ll see content from Lemmy Server 1 (your home server) and Lemmy Server 2 (rad tips on bunny tossing).
if in the future your home server defederates with another server, you will no longer see content from that server or be able to interact with it as your user profile from that home server (in this instance Lemmy Server 1). in this situation however there is nothing stopping you from creating a user account on Lemmy Server 2 and continuing to see rad tips on bunny tossing by logging into lemmy server 2 directly.
There's no "algorithm" per se, so you can actually discover new things in your feed, rather than just being fed what they think will keep you scrolling.
Also, you can use whatever app you like (I like Sync personally, but that's because it was my client of choice for Reddit) instead of using their RSS reader stapled to a Wish.com TikTok clone.
There’s no “algorithm” per se, so you can actually discover new things in your feed, rather than just being fed what they think will keep you scrolling.
Well, there is an algorithm but currently they are quite simple. Certainly not taking any kind of personal data or advertisement data into account, which is nice.
More advanced sorting algorithms could be made in the future to sort more personally, maybe based on the communities you follow or things like that. But the key point is that for Lemmy, the algorithm will always be open source and transparent, while the Reddit algorithm is a black box and you have no idea how much personal info its using.
What I'm trying to say is, algorithms aren't bad. Opaque, closed-source, privacy-invading algorithms (or anything else) is bad.
Jerboa app is amazing
Star Trek memes. I didn’t even come here for them, but they’re everywhere, like the Picard manoeuvre.
!tenforward@lemmy.world for all your Trek meme needs. O'Brien must suffer!
I'm trying to. That entire instance is run by assholes. It's the only reason why Ten Forward exists
Modlog, able to insert multiple picture/gif in comment without having to use the app, able to talk with people from another platform(like Kbin or mastodon, though limited), no ads, no tracker, animated profile picture, able to turn off downvote, no arbitrary shadowban(or no shadowban), plethora of apps to choose from without forced to use the clunky reddit official app.
It's been a long time i didn't touch reddit so that's what i can remember.
I mean, posting a video just works.
As of 2023, Reddit still didn't have fully functional video.
Those are probably the most obvious and usage facing differences. Additionally:
In many other ways, it is similar to Reddit. Like having upvotes and downvotes. Lemmy is still young, so it will improve in terms of functionality and annoyances.
This is a very negative comment but also funny. Have upvoted.
Lemmy is heavily astroturfed. There is no way Lemmy instance admins have the time or resources to do the kind of subversion detection reddit did. That's if the astroturfers aren't already running larger Lemmy instances to build them up.
Here is one of many from reddit. Hopefully some OSINT groups start doing research on Lemmy and outing the bot networks that operate here, because it's election season in the US and it's showing.
For example, I don't think the lemmy.world admin has the domain knowledge to detect customized Lemmy docker code that allows a hacking group to hide their accounts from admins/mods and go undetected for a very long time, until it's noticed on accident.
it isn't yet saturated by corporate and other agenda minded shills.
it isn't controlled by a board of directors or single owners.
although it is vulnerable to quite a bit. info mining, misinformation campaigns, etc.
after lemmy i would definitely check out the products that can explore more of the fediverse, like mbin. it cant interoperate with lemmy and allows intercommunication with the 'microblog' side of the fediverse, which lemmy is incapable. https://moist.catsweat.com
I find higher meaningful engagement and much less toxic culture here.
It takes time to cultivate your community list here, just like it took time to build my followed subreddits back when I first started with Reddit, but I get posts that I care about and am interested in in my “Subscribed” list. I’ll admit that not every one of my interests are represented, but I’m still happy here.
The engagement is far better here for sure. Almost every comment I make has some form of reply. It’s especially good when you’re the first comment. People seem to respond well to that.
A top level comments on an AMA that isn't a question? Yeah that'll be a paddling
Spank me, daddy.
I'm amazed anyone openly dares to say they work for New York Times now that everyone knows they are fully controlled by israel
Super eye opening story. This should have way more awareness.
I feel like that trope doesn't really ring true these days, as most of the "general purpose" instances are pretty moderate. Back when Lemmy was still just a small handful of instances, that was definitely the case, but I think the wider adoption has balanced things out a bit closer toward center, overall.
I haven't been banned yet?
I can be a bit abrasive when I'm annoyed. And I think lethal force can be a legitimate answer to some (few) problems. Reddit didn't like that.
There's no spez.
Fuck spez.
They'll ban you because of your opinion. If you disagree with the wrong user or mod, you get banned from the subreddit or the whole site.
Fuck r/cordcutters and fuck r/news
Note that you can get banned from specific communities or instances, just not from Lemmy itself, as long as you are on a permissive instance or your own instance.
Well there was a video on r/news where a group of cops beat sonebody pretty bad, body cam footage I think.
I commented "I hope those cops get what they deserve" you know like criminal charges of some sort. Oh no, reddit was perfectly fine with cops being bad cops.
That was my secondary account oh well.
And any recourse/appeal is not guaranteed a response, nor will you know if it is ever looked at. Nuts, especially since there are subs which I was on and had built a large reputation for trading, one of which no new users can register on. Fun loss of earnings from that day forward.
I was never really worried about reputation or virtual points. I just tried to contribute to conversations and be respectful. But Reddit has gone down hill. Soon it'll be dead like MySpace.
But, unlike reddit, you have a lot of options here. If you don't like the way a community is moderated, start your own. If you don't like the way a server is moderated, switch to a different one or start your own. The platform is no longer tied to a particular instance and the whims of whoever manages it.
I don't think anyone can delete posts except for the poster and the moderators.
That only applies to specific instances, or even specific communities. Just switch to a different instance or community, or make your own. If you don't like lemmy.world, try out either exploding-heads or lemmygrad, depending which way you swing, and vice versa. Somewhere out there is the community and instance for you, and if none of them are to your taste, nothing's stopping you from making your own - that's the beauty of the fediverse.
Setting up an instance is not a resposibility that I want to have. I don't wanna have to deal with trolls posting illegal shit that I will have to take care of.
And even without that, my instance could be defederated by yet another fucking moron with a log up his ass.
Well, if the moron was gonna defederate you anyways, its not like you'd ever have wanted to be on his instance and beholden to his rules. Like I said, we've got all sorts of instances out here - you just have to find your niche. From straight Marxist instances like lemmygrad to the exact opposite over at exploding-heads, to pirates over at dbzer0. Whatever you're into, it's probably here - just maybe not at lemmy.world. Try out lemm.ee or sh.itjust.works, or ask around for whatever instances fit your style. There's even full, anti-censorship free speech absolutist instances around here if you take a look around.
Doesn't have a single owner. It's a free software, build around a free-protocol. If at a moment, some developpers do not agree with Lemmy's main-dev, they're absolutely free to create a Memmy platform based on lemmy with their feature enabled. Just like at a point Libre office split from open office. Even better, Kbin/Mbin runs a fully different code-base and is still (fully) compatible with Lemmy. It's the magic of free software.
With instance I know, you don't give a commercial licence to re-use your content like you do on reddit. For example, Lemmy.world team cannot sell your comments to train an AI, or re-use the photo you post te sell T-shirt. On reddit (but also meta, tik tok and others) they'll do.
Have you noticed that you don't find these big GDPR cookies/tracker consent form ? Well, when you don't sell your user data to ads company, and don't put tons of trackers, GDPR compliance isn't complicated. Look at your instance privacy policy for LW it's there and compare it with reddit term of use it's crazy what we accept on reddit.
That said, please note that privacy friendly instances run because some people pay for it, if you like it, and can afford-it feel free to make a donation to your instances or the main developper.
At the moment it's a relatively small community, and you'll see the same nick-names everywhere, which means that in general the communities are nice and well behaved. There is a couple of instances which want to put politics everywhere and are annoying, but it's the exception not the norm.
Federation and fediverse works. From Lemmy, I've interacted with persons on Mastodon, have seen some of my Lemmy comments being retooted in Mastodon, have seen Mastodon/Firefish user posting on lemmy from their account there. And of course, you can exchange with people using lemmy on different instance.
Well said, you CCP stooge.
No changes will ever be forced-in to appease "the boss".
No ads and the ability to filter to only unread posts (at least on Memmy.)
If the goal is just better, then moderation is better. Reddit obviously has better/more content, users, etc. But the mods can and do make the whole experience. It could be zero interaction, no problem, or it could be a permanent ban of a subr or the whole ecosystem for no reason and you have zero insight or recourse.
On Lemmy the same can happen and I'm convinced many mods here are just are bad. But there is a public log. You still can't do anything about it, but it's something.
Which comes back to the real question. Both suck. The best thing about Lemmy is that I went from using reddit as my only social media for years, to boycotting it and coming here. And it sucks here, so now very little social media presence at all. It works great as a digital detox.
@lemmy.world
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Reddit feels like a corporate advertising driven hellscape where fear and rage is encouraged.
Lemmy feels like 2010 when the internet world was a lot more simpler and you could actually talk to people.
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