Gives a new meaning to the term "bucket list"
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RizzRustbolt 3 points 3 years ago
The Mucus Queen is all yours.
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Omniraptor 22 points 3 years ago
Cory doctorow wrote a short story about this called "radicalized" https://libgen.is/...
TriPolarBearz 2 points 3 years ago
Doctorow
It would be an absolute tragedy if someone in his family isn't a pain management doctor/anesthesiologist.
Killing_Spark 4 points 3 years ago
If he isn't named doctorouchie in some online account imma get mad at him
Omniraptor 2 points 3 years ago
It's polish origin, it's not pronounced like that :|
blanketswithsmallpox 10 points 3 years ago
More importantly, don't forget certain judges in the highest court of the land.
mojo_raisin 7 points 3 years ago
Now this is the way to go!
Ultragigagigantic 4 points 3 years ago
terminally Ill people definitely could because laws don't apply to people about to die. Fortunately for the CEOs, the working class just wants peace in their lives. Something heavily exploited by the 1%.
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PlantDadManGuy 1 point 3 years ago
The hydra grows another head...
WhyDoYouPersist 13 points 3 years ago
I think you're getting downvoted because if you look again, they only said to "consider" it.
Or maybe people are that upset with health insurance CEOs.
DragonTypeWyvern 11 points 3 years ago
Blame Patton.
"No one ever won a war by killing themself"
billbasher 128 points 3 years ago
Told a friend how I was feeling and had a similar bill. $2500 with insurance. Probably won’t be talking about my feelings again unfortunately
fine_sandy_bottom 42 points 3 years ago
This might sound unsympathetic, but it's easy to put someone else in a situation where they must call the police / ambulance.
It doesn't really matter how close a friend is. If you say you're at risk of harming yourself or others, they don't have a lot of options.
Tidesphere 47 points 3 years ago
I work for a mental health crisis line. We are taught, with extremity, to always go for least intrusive intervention possible. We will only ever call Emergency Services after a literal check list to ensure it's the last resort possible.
Practically the only times we ever call EMS on someone is if they tell us they are actively dying this very second, due to injury or overdose, etc. Or if they, after all of our attempts to listen, empathize, talk about what's going on, talk about how they're feeling tonight, work on what options there might be, who in their lives might be able to help, listing resources, and attempting to safety plan; if after all that, they say "yeah, I'm gonna kill myself specifically in this fashion and I'm gonna do it right now, and I have the means available to me." Then hang up and don't answer when we call back. Then we call EMS.
It's drilled into us that EMS is expensive for the person, and potentially dangerous because police are often not great at responding to Mental Health emergencies. So always the last last last resort.
GnomeKat 21 points 3 years ago
This so much...
Emergency services are like the absolute worst dog shit resource for mental health issues. 99% of the time they just make shit worse, I had to learn this the hard way.
It actually makes me mad that so many people suggest it as what you "should" do if someone is in crisis because it's just not made for that. Do not call 911 if you are having a panic attack or SI or even self harming in a non SI way, they will do nothing to help you and it will just cost a fuck load. Like you said the only time it makes sense is if you are actually dying from an attempt. Even MH practitioners say to call 911 when they should know better. I am glad your place seems to know what's up because so many people get the wrong advice on this issue and it actively hurts people. Maybe if the healthcare and police system were different going to the emergency room or calling 911 might be a good idea, but how they are now its just not.
billbasher 12 points 3 years ago
The “wellness checks” are way too often murders. I would never call the cops to check in on someone because they’ll likely shoot them
Tidesphere 6 points 3 years ago
The group that handles 988, the suicide line, is called Vibrant and they're working with 911 dispatchers all over the country to train them to transfer over to 988 if there's any situation like that instead of handling it themselves.
fine_sandy_bottom 2 points 3 years ago
Firstly, this varies by region. Most people don't live in the US, including me.
Secondly, you're right in that it will be an unpleasant experience for most patients, but the vast majority of patients will survive the episode. Which is the point.
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fine_sandy_bottom 6 points 3 years ago
This is a really interesting perspective, and obviously you know a lot more about this than the rest of us.
I think you can probably understand that your own training, experience, expertise, and support gives you a range of other options to implement before calling EMS. The rest of us don't have most of those options.
There's not much more I can say just because I'm not in the US. Obviously the options will vary by location.
Tidesphere 3 points 3 years ago
It's definitely true that my training, experience and employment gives me a lot more resources. I definitely encourage people to help others call us, rather than 911, when they're able.
billbasher 4 points 3 years ago
That sounds like a good protocol but that was not followed in the incident I was referencing
Tidesphere 7 points 3 years ago
Yeah, unfortunately not all call centers have the same policies. I can only speak for mine.
Emerald 11 points 3 years ago
So many people seem to only care about life and not dignity. Locking someone up against their will for being suicidal will always be wrong in my mind. Unless they are threatening harm to someone else, then it might be warranted in order to protect the threatend person.
fine_sandy_bottom 1 point 3 years ago
Locking someone up against their will for being suicidal will always be wrong in my mind.
You're entitled to that opinion, of course.
Contemporary thinking, including that of the mental health care profession, is that thoughts of suicide are the product of illness, and that treatment options are available. Terminal illness or chronic suffering are an exception. If someone has an illness which causes them to harm themselves, it seems appropriate to intervene when no alternative options are available.
areyouevenreal 5 points 3 years ago
While I am sure that's true for a lot of cases, I think you have to look at society and the individual as a whole. Lots of people are homeless or struggling to afford food, and they will never break out of poverty completely even if they manage to improve their situation a little. Add on to that the fact we are killing the planet, each other, and nature all at the same time and I don't think suicide is that unreasonable in some cases. This is especially true for disabled people that can't get jobs or have much quality of life and live on peanuts from the government if anything.
stoly 8 points 3 years ago
Few people are required reporters and those will be medical workers, public school employees, and people who work for universities for the most part. Calling 911 will get your friend shot by the police in the worst case, and traumatized and in debt in the best case.
fine_sandy_bottom 0 points 3 years ago
Few people are required reporters
So what do you do if a casual acquaintance tells you they're intending harm to themselves or others ?
billbasher 6 points 3 years ago
I get that. I never said I intended to harm myself or others to them. In my opinion they overreacted and nothing I said could convince the ambulance not to take me.
fine_sandy_bottom -2 points 3 years ago
Well something doesn't add up.
Do EMS often abduct people?
thisbenzingring 12 points 3 years ago
♥️ I care about your well-being Internet stranger. I too have those days and have come close to seeing it through. You aren't alone.
billbasher 6 points 3 years ago
Thanks ❤️ you are awesome. Feel free to reach out any time. Even to chat about nothing
newthrowaway20 105 points 3 years ago
I called no one and told no one and just let it bottle up. Totally a cheaper option but I wouldn't recommend that either.
thefartographer 61 points 3 years ago
I tried the same technique and then ended up trying to kill myself using all the pills, but that just made me sick and throw up followed by tremors for a few weeks. I was twice a failure.
After a few more failed attempts and visits with bad therapists, I finally found professionals and medication that worked for me and I've been suicide-attempt-free for 13 years now! And the past 6 years have seen significantly more good days than bad.
You win this round, modern medicine...
LillyPip 89 points 3 years ago
Some online friends called 911 on my son when he was just a few weeks shy of 18 and he was placed on a psych hold for a week for self-harming thoughts.
Don’t get me wrong, I am very grateful they saw signs he’d managed to hide from us, but since the paperwork took a few weeks to process, he not only had to deal with his mental health issues, but also got an 18th birthday present of a $20,000 bill for inpatient services under his name. That definitely didn’t help his mental state at all, and it took years to sort it out.
Later, he told me all he learned from the whole experience was to never tell anyone what he really thinks. As a mom, that scares the shit out of me.
neeeeDanke 7 points 3 years ago
Wouldn't it have made sense for him to declare bancrupcy at that point.
boatsnhos931 2 points 3 years ago
You have a smart kid
TTH4P 77 points 3 years ago
Crisistextline.org has helped me out of some dark places - it's no substitute for medical care, but it is free and they are always available. Hopefully someone will see this comment who can benefit from this service.
absGeekNZ 53 points 3 years ago
Dear Americans, I'm not writing this to gloat... But what the fuck have you let happen to your country. Health care is a human right!
I'm currently in hospital, for a second time in a month. First time, I came in with a "very nasty pneumonia", which turned into sepsis, I needed surgery to help clear the crap from my lung. They sent me home after 14 days. They also flew me from my local small hospitals to the bigger one I'm in now.
I was home for 4 days and started getting severe chest pains around my heart. So I'm back, feeling way better now, is a long weekend so no doctors to make decisions.... I'm stuck in here till Tuesday at least. On Tuesday it will be a total of 24 days. Various medications and treatments etc...
My expected bill at the end of all of this is $0.00.
The only real cost is the gas from hour each way for my family coming to visit. All meals are covered.
I honestly have no idea how much my time here is costing the national health service. The are no numbers discussed, everything is just what you need to get better.
Dulusa 17 points 3 years ago
That's the Standart in about every developed nation on this planet. I don't get it either what the USA is trying to accomplish there.
A thing that isn't obvious seeing that insanely inflated prices is, that these are prices for individuals and won't be payed by insurances. If you have let's say a 70k hospital bill, the insurance might just say we only pay you 8k. The hospital then takes the 8k and writes of the other 68k as a loss. This results in the hospital not earning any money on paper and they don't pay taxes.
My favorite thing to look at, when it comes to these inflated prices in USA Healthcare ae the prices of saline solution.
Have a read if you're interested.
Ultragigagigantic 7 points 3 years ago
I don’t get it either what the USA is trying to accomplish there
Privatize profits. Socialize losses.
Ultragigagigantic 10 points 3 years ago
But what the fuck have you let happen to your country.
Uh. It hasn't changed.
"All men are created equal"
IS SLAVE STATE
Always has been
Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...
MilitantAtheist 7 points 3 years ago
Yeah, I logged into the app here in Sweden, sent a message with what my problem was. Got a reply in 2 days, saw a doctor in a week, she suggested surgery, it was scheduled in 4 weeks. Had the surgery, got a bunch of meds, was off work for a week with 80% of my salary. Paid 500sek, like $50.
I fucking love paying taxes.
Asafum 3 points 3 years ago
No, you don't understand. You didn't get treated yet, you're still waiting to be seen. If you don't pay for medical insurance then you wait 62518262 years to see a doctor and you die before you ever see them. Also they decide to let you die because something something government death panels.
-American media on universal healthcare.
Seriously though, almost any person you talk to in America that is against universal healthcare magically knows people in Canada that have died waiting to be seen or have 6 months wait times for their very painful conditions. Every time... Even people like my mother who I know doesn't know any Canadians says she does....
American "rugged individualism" has murdered compassion and empathy and has done nothing but foster greed amongst all of us. It's me me me me, MY tax money going to treat YOUR disease, taking up space making ME wait to be seen. Turns out ultra individualism makes for a shitty society.
dual_sport_dork 6 points 3 years ago
That "in socialist European countries you get put on a waiting list" canard really doesn't wash anymore, either, since here in capitalist private insurance America I am at this very moment being forced to wait two months before I can even have my initial consultation with a doctor.
Two months.
absGeekNZ 2 points 3 years ago
There certainly are waiting lists for non-urgent stuff, and it does kinda suck. But FFS if you need help NOW you get it.
I'm in socialist New Zealand.... The current new government is trying to be less socialist, but they are getting a lot of bad press because some of their policies are just mean.
absGeekNZ 4 points 3 years ago
Total wait time... Hmmmmm let's see, about the amount of time it took for me to say "I'm having trouble breathing, my name and DoB" so they could look up my NHI number, all of 3 minutes.
I think you have hit the nail on the head with the "rugged individualism" comment. Just across from me is a dude from Sri Lanka, broken leg at the local mountain bike park. He deserves the best treatment we can give him, I have no idea if he has travel insurance or doesn't really matter, he is here we treat him.
Asafum 3 points 3 years ago
It really is amazing how we went from "sharing is caring" to "you get yours yourself, I got mine already."
Your comment on the Sri Lankan dude is also spot on, a human being shouldn't have to suffer just because we're too selfish to help them whether it's by our taxes or whatever. It should be a point of pride that "our" country provides for whoever needs help and that our collective actions make that possible. That's an America I'd be proud of. Not the ultra capitalist greed machine we should be proud to be a part of because "GDP number big"....
dsco 50 points 3 years ago
Called the VA crisis line a while back, talked to a case worker and they told me they'd have someone pick me up. A little while later I get a knock on the door from a city cop with his holster unbuckled there to take me to the psych ward of our local shitty hospital.
Spent three days in what essentially was One Flew Over except my nurse Ratchet was a part time psychiatrist that didn't completely speak English, and was a total dick.
Ended up checking myself out because nothing was being accomplished there beside morning calisthenics. Later that week, I got a bill from the hospital for $1200, and the VA said they wouldn't cover it because I didn't call it in within 72 hours... Even though it was a VA rep that started the process, and it was related to a service-connected injury (PTSD).
This was over ten years ago, but it's comforting to know some things never change.
Maggoty 12 points 3 years ago
The VA screwed up my meds by sending them to a non existent address. So I had to go to the local ER to get them. (I'm not sure who would even ask for psych meds that aren't tranquilizers but apparently they're controlled just like opiates...) At any rate. Same story, I called first and they told me that's what I had to do. So I got a rideshare to the hospital because I was also having a really bad day. The local ER was really great. But the VA then sent me a bill. I called their number and they said I was supposed to drive myself 2 hours to the nearest VA hospital. I told them that would have been the worst choice I could have made and they could either pay for it or explain to Congress why I'm paying for their malfunction. And you know what? Somehow, some way it worked. They took it back and I never had to pay it.
But then they got me back on an ambulance ride years later, (after they swore to Congress they'd start paying for ambulance rides).
At any rate, I just wanted to let you know you're not alone. Get what you can from the VA but never let them get you.
Ragnarok314159 10 points 3 years ago
I am honestly surprised they even answered, or did anything at all.
Called them once (same issue with PTSD) and the lady put me on hold, then hung up. It made me laugh at how stupid this whole system is, then I got drunk and fell asleep.
PMFL 6 points 3 years ago
Dam, unfortunately, the system that is so good for those who want to enlist, quickly forgets those who return from the battlefield.
These situations. In my opinion, there should be no costs, and they should not be based on 72 hours, or any type of restrictions.
In addition to not making any sense in this specific case, if it was started this way.
andros_rex 44 points 3 years ago
Mental health hospitals are hellish too. I can’t fucking stand Married with Children, not because of how stupid or unfunny it is, but because it was always on and I get flashbacks.
I attempted years ago - because I was dead broke and about to have to drop out of college. When I got out, I had lost my job and had to do survival sex work to eat.
The power structure of those places facilitate horrific abuse. For example, the Indian man whose screams have haunted my dreams for the past ten years - a man who had no family, came to the facility with no clothing… the staff (and patients) bullied the shit out of him. No one in that hospital was interested in helping him.
The psychiatrist I saw for maybe 15 minutes at the beginning of the day. All they did was prescribe me meds. There wasn’t any really meaningful therapy, at least as I understood it? It was more of a holding pen.
I think in the US, the horrifying truth is that mental health resources are mostly illusory. 988 exists so that we can pass out 988 stickers and pens - we can be the good people providing help. Therapists exist, but the waiting lists for good ones can be months and there are thousands of disturbed LPCs who went in to counseling for the wrong reason.
CBT is a shitty modality for things like “I’m miserable because I can’t afford to eat” or “I’m stressed because I got fired from my job when they found out I was trans” or even something as dumb “my body tenses up and I can’t focus my eyes when hear the name Al Bundy.” It’s symptoms focused and can be harmful for certain situations. But it also is often the only modality that one can easily access.
The entire structure of the mental health system in America is horrifically broken, but fixing it would require a complete overhaul of the system. So instead it’s bandaids - employee assistance programs and chat hotlines.
FlyingSquid 9 points 3 years ago
My daughter, who does have psychological issues (don't we all?) but nowhere near the need to put her in a facility, has heard so many horror stories about them that she was terrified we would put her in one someday. It doesn't help that there's a mental hospital that down the road from us that has super severe patients. Her psychiatrist is part of their network and I didn't understand that it wasn't in that building for her first appointment, so she also had the misfortune of seeing some people with problems far more severe than hers when we went to the wrong place. I felt bad for her, but I also think it helped her understand that her symptoms are not even remotely close to the severity that would have anyone consider putting her in one, so maybe it was for the best. She certainly has not expressed that fear since we made that accidental trip there.
I'm glad you made it out of there with your mental health in tact enough for you to come across as a basically mentally sound person to everyone here.
dual_sport_dork 8 points 3 years ago
Mental health "hospitals" in America are basically just small prisons, but without even the minimal oversight that prisons have.
You can be held in a mental health institution indefinitely if any doctor feels like it, with no recourse, no appeal, and without being charged with any crime, and not even with the need to actually diagnose you with anything. They can strip you, bully you, take whatever possessions you had on you and destroy them, humiliate you, and within those walls you have no rights. And at the end of it all, they'll send you an astronomical bill proportionate to the amount of time they imprisoned you.
Unless you are, like, to the seeing-imaginary-people levels of out of whack, do yourself a favor and don't think checking in to an American mental health institution will help you. You'll might go in with one problem, and you'll come out with two or more.
Tidesphere 4 points 3 years ago
988 Worker here.
Every single time someone asks me what we can do to fight the mental health epidemic in the U.S. and the rising suicide rates, I always always tell them the keys are workers rights, affordable housing, a healthcare system that doesn't suck, all of this shit that the person asking typically doesn't want.
andros_rex 1 point 3 years ago
Just curious - is 988 using “AI”? I’ve seen some strange and suspect conversations.
Tidesphere 2 points 3 years ago
988 is not using any AI in conversations with callers to my knowledge. I know that some branches are looking at implementing AI for training purposes, to perhaps give more realistic simulation calls for trainers, but at no point should anybody calling 988 needing help encounter an AI. For the chat platform, I know that the messaging system has some automatic questions that it asks everyone at the very start of the conversation, but it's a machine in the classic sense, and is not AI. Chat/Texters should not be encountering AI either.
AnarchistArtificer 3 points 3 years ago
I've found CBT actively harmful for mental health struggles that result from ill health and physical disability. Like if I'm anxious about whether I'm strong enough to make it to the bathroom, CBT techniques seem to involve pretending that falling and pissing yourself on the floor isn't a real risk that needs to be accounted for.
Sometimes you're stuck in a situation with no win state and the last thing that's useful is gaslighty bullshit that ignores reality.
Marleyinoc 15 points 3 years ago
Maybe that's just the first bill.
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Ragnarok314159 4 points 3 years ago
It’s always nice knowing the police in America will show up five hours after a crime has been committed, accuse you of said crime, then leave while doing nothing.
Ragnarok314159 2 points 3 years ago
She is a black lab. Zero chance of survival.
Ragnarok314159 3 points 3 years ago
But then it’s still the police who will show up and be excited to shoot you. “Person is suicidal, so they are ready with lethal force! Lock and load!”
FlyingSquid 31 points 3 years ago
I don't have severe mental health issues (although I do have them), but I am dealing with an undiagnosed medical issue and I am at the Mayo Clinic right now because of it. Before I came here, just from everything I've been through in the past year and a few months, we're thousands of dollars in medical debt. I am terrified of what the bill from Mayo will be. They are in our insurance network and we supposedly have "good" insurance, but how good can even good insurance be when you can rack up that sort of debt in under two years just so you can stay alive?
The for-profit healthcare system in America is the truly insane thing, far more insane than this woman was when she felt suicidal.
Burn_The_Right 9 points 3 years ago
I think many Americans are unaware that you can still be bankrupted by medical debt even with the very best insurance.
FlyingSquid 5 points 3 years ago
All I can say is at least they don't charge you interest. That would make it even worse.
Burn_The_Right 8 points 3 years ago
They don't charge interest yet.
As you know, these villains have purchased the laws that "regulate" them. If we cannot fix congress (and end the ability to purchase legislation), this will only get worse.
FlyingSquid 5 points 3 years ago
Yeah, it's probably coming.
Arthur_Leywin 26 points 3 years ago
"If you're feeling suicidal please call for help you're not alone!"
The help:
TexasDrunk 11 points 3 years ago
I'll go so far as to tell you life is worth living and direct you to the suicide hotline for a measly $500.
On a serious note, if anyone has felt suicidal and is still here, I'm glad. I've been suicidal and been alone. I've been suicidal and had a friend stay with me. I've stayed with more than one friend who was ready to end it. I know how you feel and I know how it feels to lose someone and almost lose someone to suicide. Please get help (preferably without calling 911 unless there's no other way) if you're feeling that way because in the long run it's absolutely worth it.
Jon_Servo 16 points 3 years ago
This is why I never had a safety plan. I literally cannot afford what I need to feel better, and have to keep quiet or risk losing everything and still not be helped. Nobody will know I was in crisis until I'm gone.
Ultragigagigantic 12 points 3 years ago
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istanbullu 9 points 3 years ago
look on the bright side: she probably won't be doing that again.
balderdash9 3 points 3 years ago
- Police arrive on the scene
- Shoot suicidal person
- "Problem solved"
RemoveEgoDivineFreedom 1 point 3 years ago
This country is rotten.
Pharmacokinetics 1 point 3 years ago
Why would someone call 911 if they are feeling suicidal?
grrgyle 11 points 3 years ago
I don't know, why would anyone anything?
If you're suicidal you might not be thinking clearly, and emergency numbers are associated with help from a young age, and if you feel like you're in a real emergency and you need help...
Pharmacokinetics 3 points 3 years ago
What I mean is why not call suicide prevention? Why 911?
pantyhosewimp 2 points 3 years ago
988 is the national suicide hotline in the USA.
lemmycdatass 1 point 3 years ago
Being suicidal, or even depressed, sorta implies they are not thinking clearly or able to make good choices. Alternatively, maybe they just didn't know of a better option?
boatsnhos931 -6 points 3 years ago
What an idiot
AllonzeeLV 59 points 3 years ago
I was a practicing psychologist.
I left the field precisely because I became disillusioned with the entire system of "help" for people without significant monetary means being to provide brief coping strategy trainings because their therapy allotment is extremely limited, toss some pills at them, and throw them right back at their problems that are MOST OFTEN either caused by or exacerbated by long-term economic struggles.
Our gallows joke of a mental health system in the US is designed to get the poor that need help right back to producing value for the class of people that get unlimited mental health assistance and intentionally leave the poor struggling in subsistence to live large, right back to what drove them to the ledge, often with a fresh debt load burden to add to their existing burdens as this post points out for the crime of breaking down and begging "please, somebody fucking help me!" in one form or another.
I am literally still traumatized from the profound lack of help I was permitted to provide these people.
I truly don't mean to offend, but your pretty words don't reflect the reality the poor and working poor contend with at all, and I can tell you from years of trying to be the change for them with few to no significant resources to offer that many of them correctly find it patronizing.
Tidesphere 14 points 3 years ago
Also mental health practitioner here. The confused looks my family gives when they ask how to solve the mental health crisis. And I say worker's rights, better pay, affordable housing, single payer health care, measures against online radicalization, etc
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein 10 points 3 years ago
"Sorry, I'm looking for a solution that doesn't cost any time or effort."
Donjuanme 2 points 3 years ago
Sadly yes, fire, medical, or police, all through the same dispatch router.
There are other hotlines for other services, location of underground utilities as an example, and I believe there's a suicide prevention hotline now, but it's new and hasn't gained public knowledge status yet.
GBU_28 -30 points 3 years ago
That's way too much, but they called for immediate, emergency service, with many many professionals involved. Essentially rush, expedited service.
Then, by evidence of not needing to stay the night, they didn't use that service.
They effectively booked a first class ticket on the next flight out of town, then didn't go to the airport.
This is not a defense of the American healthcare system, it sucks. But they used the system that's there, and shouldn't be surprised. They are certainly right to be upset.
Edit I know folks don't like this, but nothing I've said is incorrect. I also made clear I don't support the current system.
Why is Lemmy so bad at acknowledging reality? Are the downvotes making you feel better?
Semi_Hemi_Demigod 28 points 3 years ago
You're saying it in a douchey way, but you're right: There are other places to contact if you need to help, including the suicide hotline which is 988.
However, sometimes people need that sort of help and it shouldn't cost them $2500. People are definitely dying because they don't want to pay for an ambulance ride.
ArtificialLink 9 points 3 years ago
However, sometimes people need that sort of help
I mean calling 911 means you're probably going to get a police officer who's just as likely to shoot you as help you. And what is an ambulance going to do? They're not nearly as trained in mental health episodes . And hospitals for my experience generally treat mental health episodes like it's still the 50s. Without much consideration for the mentally ill basically. Getting charged that much is absolutely a failure of the system. But they weren't even using the right system in the first place.
Calling the suicide hotline which is free would have been a lot more practical then tryna get emergency room doctors to help you.
Tidesphere 4 points 3 years ago
A good tip, many counties have what's called a mobile crisis unit. It's like an ambulance of mental health workers that come to your home and don't take you anywhere. Usually calling 988 you can ask them to help you find yours if you can't find it.
ArtificialLink 3 points 3 years ago
Even more proof that our system is fucked cause 911 should just defer to that for mental health but that they also called the wrong support line for what they needed.
doublejay1999 -74 points 3 years ago
Two ways of looking at this. Either you are smart, and you saved your own life for just $2000.
Or, you’re an idiot for not calling one the free helplines to see if they could chill you out first.
Either way, I would have retained my dignity, and not posted it on social media just to bash the health system. That’s actually fucked up.
doublejay1999 -26 points 3 years ago
And you seem so nice 😊
doublejay1999 -16 points 3 years ago
Yeah you’re just making it up now.
TokenBoomer 40 points 3 years ago
Yet, you have forfeited your dignity by posting support for that same health system on social media. 👀
doublejay1999 -39 points 3 years ago
I don’t know how you bend your brain to interpret what I wrote as support for the US health system, because it’s obviously no such thing .
But even if it was, I don’t think it’s undignified to quite same extent as posting about a personal health crisis for twitter clout .
Edit: lol How many accounts are you running ?
neatchee 34 points 3 years ago
God forbid someone struggling with their mental health, who obviously has no support system, posts online about their shitty experience in the hopes of receiving any form of emotional support. Must be looking for clout
The fuck is wrong with you?
They don't need multiple accounts. We all think you suck
doublejay1999 -16 points 3 years ago
I think you are being quite naive.
mojo_raisin 18 points 3 years ago
Have you considered that someone on the brink of ending their own life might not be thinking clearly nor care much about their future financial situation?
doublejay1999 -12 points 3 years ago
Yes. Luckily they care about it again now it seems.
More than the fact their life was saved.
If you’ve just been brought back from the brink of ending your life, is your first thought going be “my goodness that cost 2 grand our health system is fucked”.
Cos I wouldn’t. I’d be thinking “holy fuck that was close, if I hadn’t called I could be dead now”
neatchee 8 points 3 years ago
Wow, didn't see this comment earlier. Truly spoken like someone who has never tried to take their own life.
Note: I am choosing to respond here despite ending our previous conversation for the sake of others who might be reading.
Surviving a suicide attempt or severe suicidal ideation doesn't give you some newfound sense of appreciation for life. That's TV fairytale bullshit.
The same problems that drove you to feeling suicidal are still there, now with new ones on top (like, you know, an extra $2k of debt). You're not better. You're just not dead. And most of the time you still wish you were
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