Youtube stopped working for me today when using uBlock Origin in Firefox or Vivaldi with anti-ad enabled.

2 years ago by lawrence to c/aboringdystopia

KazuchijouNo 128 points 2 years ago

If things keep going like this I guess I'll abandon Youtube completely. How brighter my life will be

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DarkCloud 40 points 2 years ago

That's where things are heading. I wonder what video services will replace it.

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Bahnd 48 points 2 years ago

It wont be, the scale of service and ease of revenue sharing will keep it as the king of video distribution untill Google kills it (like they do to all their products). FOSS projects and self hosting can not accomodate a viral hit (the slashdot effect), and also a self-hosted project like that would have to find a way to make money for the host to keep the lights on, and even Youtube fails at that one.

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Tregetour 5 points 2 years ago

scale

Who does scale really benefit, though? I don't see how it matters from the audiences' point of view. Say I watch Youtube for fishing videos - all the competitor needs to do to attract and keep me is offer fishing videos. I don't really care that I can't watch music videos on it, or cookery, or make-up tutorials, etc.

The preoccupation we have with scale should be re-examined when it comes to video distribution. A combination of user-friendly banner advertising, modern codecs, and P2P hosting should go an awful long way. If I knew ad placements provided material funding for a video site/community I loved, I'd whitelist the URL.

Video needs fragmentation.

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kugel7c 12 points 2 years ago

I think scale matters because almost no person is as much of an island as your example fishing video guy. I actually have noticed almost the opposite in most people I know, YouTube is the default place to get entertainment. Across all their interests.

From both sides the network effect might be strongest with YouTube, the creators can't leave because YouTube has virtually all of the audience, and consumers don't want to watch singular people on other platforms because on YouTube you can stumble over interesting videos and all the people you like to watch are already there.

The only way I see for other platforms to actually grow is forced interoperability, as in videos of other platforms appearing in the YouTube frontend. Which Google would never do so the government would need to force them.

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TheFriar 8 points 2 years ago

The benefit of scale is it attracts the creators. The people making the content we want to watch aren’t all doing it as a hobby, so the chance of attracting a large audience needs to be there. Otherwise they won’t come and the site is populated with really random, low-choice stuff.

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unexposedhazard 4 points 2 years ago

All you need is a federated link aggregator like lemmy/mastodon with a UI made for videos.

You post a link to whichever video hosting service and attach a bunch of metadata (thumbnail, description, tags) and the comment section is built in already for each post. Nobody cares where a video is hosted, as long as they can follow creators and topics.

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ripcord -1 points 2 years ago

Twitter and TikTok

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Kowowow 6 points 2 years ago

Could just make a system to automate the ads like muting(or white noise) them and automatically clicking skip, is not as good but still feels like a small win

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zerofk 6 points 2 years ago

Skipping ads violates YouTube’s terms of service!

  • Video playback will be blocked until you allow us to shove ads down your throat.

  • You can also opt for YouTube premium, where we’ll allow you to skip the last 5 seconds of any ad! (*)

(*) ads shorter than 5 minutes do not support skipping the final 5 seconds.

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monkeyslikebananas2 0 points 2 years ago

The funniest part is they want to watch an ad (trailer) but they aren’t allowed to watch that ad without watching other ads first! Xzibit would be so proud.

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Tregetour 79 points 2 years ago

Ad blockers assert your belief in the web browser as user agent, not server agent

  • We know you're using an ad blocker. How dare you.
  • Alphabet's cross-subsidy, and the political value of controlling the Overton window, allows Youtube to remain publicly accessible.
  • You can get double-penetrated with Youtube Premium, first on the subscription fee then on the usage analytics.
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Jimbo 25 points 2 years ago

Triple penetrated, many YouTube Premium features don't even work properly.

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madcaesar 79 points 2 years ago

"Violate Terms of Service" 😂 such agressive language for not wanting to watch endless ads for 2 min videos.

Get fucked.

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riplin 11 points 2 years ago

YouTube violates MY terms of service when it abuses my network infrastructure and resources to download data I did not request.

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rbesfe 8 points 2 years ago

Violate is standard legal language for breaking a contract or agreement

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jakemehoff11 41 points 2 years ago

That sucks. Do you have access to a VPN with servers in Albania or Moldova? They still don't allow ads in youtube videos.

Happened to me last month, I set proton VPN to an Albanian server and everything worked until uBlock got updated to suppress the black screen of death again. Good luck!

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Maeve 1 point 2 years ago

Black screen of death? I got a black monitor earlier while doing some work and listening to YouTube. I thought maybe my device overheated. Is this a thing YouTube is doing?

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Bonesince1997 36 points 2 years ago

I love that their warning is an admission of failure

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jet 36 points 2 years ago

I can't wait for the plugin that replaces all the ads with black and white mime videos

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Console_Modder 52 points 2 years ago

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Rustmilian 12 points 2 years ago
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Confused_Emus 11 points 2 years ago
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x4740N 6 points 2 years ago

D

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rozodru 34 points 2 years ago
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lawrence 7 points 2 years ago

Interestingly, I am having this problem on Linux. EndeavourOS. It's a rolling release distro, so probably a new "cutting-edge" browser feature broke the ad blockers.

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rozodru 1 point 2 years ago
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Daxtron2 3 points 2 years ago

using uBlock Origin in Firefox or Vivaldi

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hellfire103 29 points 2 years ago

Datura Network's Invidious instance has a rotating IP, so it's considerably harder for Google to block it.

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orcrist 26 points 2 years ago
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Nelots 15 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, that really doesn't seem to be true. YT is a monopoly, they do what they want. None of my friends use Firefox, despite me telling them that ad blockers still work on it. They could spend 3 minutes switching to Firefox and losing some of the niche features they have on Opera GX or whatever they hell they use, or they could just watch the occasional 5-second ad. They just don't care enough. I imagine most users are more than likely like that.

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SendMePhotos 19 points 2 years ago

Just go to yewtu.be same thing. No ads, no tracking or analyzing you.

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madcaesar 13 points 2 years ago

Google foiled again by the yews!! 😂

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glitchdx 18 points 2 years ago

I wonder which will happen first: I'll quit watching youtube because the platform becomes too much of a pain in the ass for me to bother with, or I'll quit watching youtube because of how difficult it is to find content I actually want to watch.

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UnderpantsWeevil 3 points 2 years ago

I've got a few Patreon shows that host video content on YouTube, but because they're directly linked and not monetized through YouTube they're pretty friendly to visit.

I do need a better way to find streamable music. YouTube Music has been a miserable experience, but it has the largest library short of Spotify, which is also miserable.

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LinusSexTips 1 point 2 years ago

I found YTM to have more niche music selections vs Spotify.

You could always try plexamp if you want to self-host.

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UnderpantsWeevil 1 point 2 years ago

Functionally it works (barring technical difficulties)

But it means building up a large personal library, when what I'd prefer is a browsable public music library.

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Honytawk 15 points 2 years ago

I switched over to FreeTube for all my Youtube needs.

Lets see if Google can break that one.

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DragonConsort 10 points 2 years ago

Invidious works absolutely great as an alternative way to access all the content uploaded to YouTube. No ads at all and a way better search function.

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ripcord 7 points 2 years ago

...until they block APIs which is also in progress right?

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orcrist 4 points 2 years ago
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Maeve 1 point 2 years ago

They are now blocking content from playing, on one and loading on the other.

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hertg 9 points 2 years ago
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Cornelius_Wangenheim 8 points 2 years ago
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capital 5 points 2 years ago

As soon as YT started blocking blockers, I created a new Firefox profile with only Bitwarden (just need that everywhere) and uBlock Origin ONLY. Using that has never failed me once this whole time.

When I forget to access YT through my special profile (and therefore only utilize those two plugins) I do see errors. I assume this is due to either uMatrix, AdNauseum or some combination of the two.

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FIST_FILLET -7 points 2 years ago

oh no, anyway now you have more time to watch stuff that people put actual talent into like movies and tv shows and documentaries (this is a jab at youtube in general and not this specific video)

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AngryMob 3 points 2 years ago

Theres plenty of high quality content on youtube though. You gotta wade through wall to wall youtube cringe to find it, but once you got a list of good subs, that problem disappears. The idea that youtube is solely garbage low effort content is so outdated

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hahattpro -35 points 2 years ago

Try Brave browser. It work

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decivex 24 points 2 years ago

Shame about the crypto bs and homophobia though.

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remer 4 points 2 years ago

Homophobia? I missed that. What happened?

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decivex 17 points 2 years ago

Brendan Eich founded Brave after being booted from Mozilla over his opposition to same-sex marriage.

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Jimbo -7 points 2 years ago

Browsers be homophobic now? Wild times

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Andromxda 17 points 2 years ago

Not the browser itself, but the CEO of the company that develops it. (He used to work at Mozilla, but had to resign because of his homophobic actions) https://www.cnet.com/...

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Jimbo 1 point 2 years ago

Yea I know, it was a joke

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rustyfish -11 points 2 years ago

Yup. Brave works great on iPhone, too. PiP, no ads, even downloads work fine. And thanks to Airdrop I can watch ad free on TV.

Until yesterday I had a cheap Premium subscription going on but YouTube cancelled it because they found out I don’t live in Asia. Like fuck, it’s not about the money. 5? Maybe 6 or 7? That would have been fine by me. But 20 fucking bucks a month for that? Yeah, nah. Either fix your prices or I will continue to look for workarounds.

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rustyfish 2 points 2 years ago

Nice! Thank you very much!

I am already tinkering with my options and I will certainly try this out as soon as I make it home.

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timewarp -38 points 2 years ago

Am I the only one that pays for YouTube Premium? I get not wanting to pay for things. I don't feel bad for Google here, but I also don't understand what people expect. The government happily subsidizes Musk to litter outerspace. Maybe the government should be subsidizing YouTube?

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mle86 19 points 2 years ago

I want to pay for the content on youtube and I believe that the creators deserve it as well as I understand that the platform costs money. But the UX is so bad and youtube very obviously does not care at all about their viewers, that I morally just can't justify giving them money for that level of service.

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reddig33 12 points 2 years ago

I’d pay for it if they didn’t overcharge so much. Their content is provided to them for free, but they charge more than Netflix to distribute it. Fuck that.

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Kolrami 1 point 2 years ago

YouTube ad tier: $0
Netflix ad tier: $6.99
YouTube premium: $13.99
Netflix standard: $15.49

Huge caveats incoming.

They don't charge more than Netflix, but most of their content is definitely provided to them for free. On top of that, most of YouTube's original content is behind their premium subscription paywall. I tried to see how many of their originals shows are actually viewable with their ad tier and it's hard to pin down a number. My speculation is it doesn't matter because either so few people are willing to pay for premium or their originals aren't very marketable. Off the top of my head I'd heard of exactly one YouTube original.

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Kolrami 1 point 2 years ago

Oh thanks I was looking at old information.

EDIT: I realized now you're just giving supplemental old info.

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ripcord 1 point 2 years ago

But in theory they're paying for that content out of Premium subscriptions.

Probably not enough, but that's supposed to be part of what it's for.

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Honytawk 10 points 2 years ago

I'd pay for it with money, but I am already paying with my data you see.

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MrVilliam 9 points 2 years ago

I'm okay with seeing an acceptable level of advertisement. Content creators have ad reads within their videos which are skippable, and they've resorted to that because YouTube doesn't pay very well. It used to be that you'd get a short ad at the start of every video or two, and maybe another short ad per 7 minutes or so. Now, it's pretty common for every video to have at least 20 seconds of ad before starting and another 10-30 seconds of ad every 3-5 minutes or so. I like watching on my PS5 while doing chores, so I'm subject to all of these ads. I actually have fully abandoned videos halfway in because of ads that were 60 seconds before I would have the option to "skip" the ad.

I pay for enough things in my life that I was okay with the trade-off of the ads on YouTube. Now, it's (no joke) about 5 minutes of ads interrupting a 20 minute video, and there's usually a 2 minute ad read within that 20 minute video, so really 7 minutes of ads per 18 minutes of content. But it's not really 18 minutes of content because there's an intro, an outro, and a "remember to like, comment, subscribe, and smash that bell" bullshit too. It's roughly 2:1 ratio of actual content to ads and fluff. I'm not fucking paying to take it from 2:1 to 3:1 and they can eat my entire asshole for even suggesting such a thing. Maybe instead of trying to hold eyeballs ransom with the choice of either subscription payments or and overabundance of ads, they should charge for uploading videos to their servers. Sound like a terrible idea? Then I'm sure they'll do it within 5 years. Because fuck everybody, that's why.

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Fuzzy_Red_Panda 6 points 2 years ago

Yep. Google treats their service like television, but it’s not television. We all watch the videos on computers and computers are owned by users and each user gets to decide what their computer does, full stop.

The ad model for youtube will always be circumvented by the fact that our computers can run whatever code we want it to (despite Microsoft’s and Apple’s efforts). If that means that youtube goes subscription only, so be it. If that means youtube can’t sustain itself as a business with ad revenue, then so be it. It would mean that decentralized alternatives gain popularity and it would most likely be to the benefit of everyone who isn’t a corporation.

Youtube has a stranglehold on creativity, open speech, and fair use. Youtube will demonetize a video for saying too many swear words. They’ll demonetize or restrict a video for talking about non-sexual lgbt content. They’ll take down legal and legitimate videos for copyright infringement even though it’s fair use.

Youtube is bad for creators and it’s bad for users.

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sharkfucker420 9 points 2 years ago

Use newpipe or freetube and just send the creators you watch most that money. Google can go fuck themselves

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IsThisAnAI -41 points 2 years ago

I can't help but laugh with this post in this sub.

Paying for media content is somehow dystopian 🤣

OHHHH GOD NO! YT WON'T LET ME FREELOAD CONTENT, I'M BEING ACCOSTED!

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madcaesar 18 points 2 years ago

Google cornered the video market and killed all competition by mining all of our data and selling it for years.

Now that they are too big to fail they want to turn around and extort us all. The price for premium is NOT reasonable.

This isn't some mom and pop company trying to serve videos. They abused their size and are now abusing it again.

And the fact that there's people like you defending them is a problem. We have to fight the mega corp and the bootlickers in our ranks.

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ripcord -4 points 2 years ago

Wait, how did they kill all competition by mining our data? Because they could do things cheaper than compwtitors, or...?

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madcaesar 6 points 2 years ago

The literarily made money off our backs by selling our privacy. Using those I'll-gotten gians they pushed out the competition.

They didn't do things "cheaper" they just stole from all of us and now they want more money on top.

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ripcord 0 points 2 years ago

You seem like you're getting distracted here. I'm asking about the claim about them killing off competition by stealing our data. Can you go into more detail on how that worked, how the stealing of our data killed off the competition?

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Honytawk 9 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't mind paying, if they didn't took away my right to privacy and stopped scraping all of my devices like freaking malware. Even if you don't use any of their services.

As long as they do that, I feel no remorse not paying for their content.

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ZeroHora 4 points 2 years ago

At the same time they are enforcing the ban on adblocks they are creating solutions for sponsor blocks to skip the ads that actually bring some money to youtube creators.

Funny how the paying for media content works, you can pay youtube but not the creator of that content, the creator himself gets next to nothing if the youtube algorithm doesn't favour the content. Not a boring dystopia at all.

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Nindelofocho 2 points 2 years ago

You’re minimizing the abuse. Used to be fine with ads when it was 1-2 max but then it got abusive and greedy. Someone who yells at you once or twice may just be angry, upset, or so on. Someone who yells at you constantly is abusive

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IsThisAnAI -2 points 2 years ago

I can't honestly believe you just equated more ads on TV to abuse.

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Nindelofocho -1 points 2 years ago

Gaslighting is another way people justify abuse

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IsThisAnAI -2 points 2 years ago

I don't think that term means what you think it means.

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FlashMobOfOne -44 points 2 years ago

Switch over to Brave browser. Its native adblock works better than uBlock anyway.

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Lumisal 8 points 2 years ago
  1. it does not

  2. the crypto bro scam browser I will l would now trust less than Chrome after that whole debacle

Edit: oh and the homophobia too, and I think there's one other thing

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lightnsfw 4 points 2 years ago

I was getting a "this video is private, log in to watch it" banner on everything yesterday with Brave. The videos still played but I wonder if it's related to OPs issue.

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coffinwood -47 points 2 years ago

So you neither pay with money nor by watching ads for a very expensive to maintain service, but you won't leave it be either.

I know I'm making myself Unpopular here, but what is it that you're bringing to the table? Currently you cost YouTube money because streaming video is really expensive. You block out all the ads so every creator is cut off monetization too. This is not a publicly funded library (yet).

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TragicNotCute 27 points 2 years ago

Streaming data is expensive, but when you’re vertically integrated to the point Google is, it starts to get significantly cheaper. I’ve been paying creators directly through Patreon for literal years now, and I’ve said before I’d be happy to pay for my usage on Google (including a markup), but paying a flat fee and giving a handful of creators a watch a few cents while Google keeps the lion’s share isn’t good enough for me.

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Sabata11792 14 points 2 years ago

It's not my job to fit into a mega corporations business model.

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coffinwood -10 points 2 years ago

as long as it’s not your salary that gets ad-blocked.

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Sabata11792 10 points 2 years ago

Thats an HR issue at a mega corporation I don't work for. Not my problem they are mismanaged and poorly scaled.

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LazerDickMcCheese 2 points 2 years ago

Your words are poopoo

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