16 false Trump electors face felony charges in Michigan
3 years ago by gAlienLifeform to c/news
Sadly, they'll all be found guilty but too old and white to actually go to prison for their crimes.
In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.
"You're too old to sit in a cell, so we're just not going to ever lay you to rest"
Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.
In cases such as this it would be amazing to bar them from having funerals.
“You’re too old to sit in a cell, so we’re just not going to ever lay you to rest”
Maybe it would help these criminals think about ramifications before committing their heinous offenses.
Oh come now, we have much worse punishments: they're now under conservatorship, by Britney Spears dad and are on their way to the cheapest old folks home in their state. They're "technology safe" so they can't access the internet for their own personal safety...
Ya know, old folks prison, where poor people go after their family forgets about them and they die of neglect.
Lollll your eyes do not deceive you: https://www.google.com/...
"Paw Paw is named for the pawpaw trees which once grew along the Paw Paw River," and those trees probably got their name from British people trying to say "papaya"
Michigan has a Hell, so there's no reason it can't have a Paw Paw.
I’ve been there. When it SNOWED!
Did it freeze over?
A pawpaw is a real fruit, related to the cherimoya.
OLDS! THEY'RE OLD
Probably not a great age to be starting a fourteen year prison sentence at, but they should have thought about that before trying to overthrow our democracy I guess
This same generation kept repeating shit like "don't believe everything you read on the internet" back in the dial up days. Good advice I took to heart.
Now my own mother believes AOC wants to ban cows because they fart a lot.
Not even the Internet. They told everyone not to believe everything they see on TV. Drilled it into our heads for years.
Now they're plastered to the easychair, glued to fox bobblehead shows 24/7 getting angry over nonsense.
But the Simpsons and rock music were the devil...
Think of all the people you've known who were open minded and accepting and how small the number of them seemed compared to the majority when we were growing up. Know that a lot of those people probably went on to inspire those qualities in others and raise their kids to value those things. I've seen mainstream society come a long way from my childhood in the 80s and teens in the 90s.
I agree, I had a lot more hope for Gen X but we were up against the juggernaut of the boomer voting bloc. As those selfish fucks age out we're finally looking at the possibility of righting the ship.
I agree that we have come a LONG way. I was in the first generation of ravers. I am aghast at some of my fellow old ravers and how they scorn the LGBQT community considering they were that their bars were often the only place we were offered safety and respect. The motto these guys wore on their sleeves was PLUR - Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect, but now they are SLUR.
A surprising number of ravers compared to my other social circles have gone full conspiracy, MAGA cult, qANON. IMO it attracted a good number of contrarians, counter culture, anti government types in the first place and they were bound to get roped into something like this. I thought hare krishna type things, but boy was I wrong!
I realized that the other day. My brother is gen z, and when I felt him out on lgbt issues (he's been raised in a very conservative bubble), he just doesn't care.
Then I realized - millennials were raised by gen x. I got a lot of ideas shoved in my head growing that took some time to unravel after I started to examine if my beliefs matched my morals... I just assumed he'd be in a similar position. But he's been taught by millennials and seen it in the media, he never learned those hang ups I had to get past
This weekend it hit me - Gen x is driving force behind all of this body autonomy bullshit
I blame dementia. I have a parent that's still a Trump supporter. It's as if they've lost the ability to use reason. I am pretty sure Trump could shoot them in the face and they'd still vote for/support him.
He said in 2015 that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and people would still love him. One thing I will say is that Trump realized he could easily grift people like your parent. I am sorry, BTW. It sucks.
Without looking, something like ppl born before 1980 or so. I really hope so, the following Gen (mine) isn't as hot as I'd like but hoping for the best.
Can't wait to see it all play out. You just know these people won't accept responsibility and will blame others for their actions. I swear if they were 16-17 I wouldn't be surprised but GOD DAMN, they're all over 55 with 2 being over 80.
"We were just told to show up and sign this paper. If we had any information about it being untoward or illegal, we would not have done it"
That's Ms. Michele Lundgren making excuses already. Like, you thought it was totally legal to pretend to be electors to subvert an election? Come on.
No living wage, no money for education, no money for health care, working three jobs to survive, and the world temperature and scarcity of housing are accelerating...
...but sure, let's celebrate. This totally matters.
These are some of the people who fought to create those problems, including fighting against democracy itself to ensure it.
It's not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
It’s not the end results needed, but it is a step on the path needed.
No, it isn't.
It's nothing. This will change nothing, as evidenced by the fact that even when Trump is performatively "arrested" there's never handcuffs of a mugshot.
the fact that even when Trump is performatively "arrested" there's never handcuffs of a mugshot.
What do you think the point of handcuffs and a mugshot are? He wasn't at risk of being violent or arrested for a violent crime. Mugshots are for record keeping and identity purposes, but there is no need for that when the suspect is one of the most photographed people on the entire planet. Handcuffs and mugshots are not some weird way to humiliate people.
About 30 months later than it should have happened, but late is better than never!
Agreed, though it's actually pretty fast for this kind of thing
Yeah, it's totally normal for prosecutors to wait over two years to bring forgery charges and just let the suspects go about freely doing as they please that whole time, it's not like anyone in recent history has been forcibly detained by a police officer and been suffocated to death by that officer's knee being placed on their neck for an extended period of time after they tried to submit some dodgy paperwork or anything /s
Since I expect I’ll have to suffer several members of the conservative hive-mind moaning about this tomorrow, I did some quick research beforehand:
Here is a list of those who are charged.
This video shows the Republicans trying to enter the MI Capitol.
At ~35 seconds in, several people claim to be the state’s electors.
In no particular order, I think I have identified the following:
The woman between the orange beanie and red mitts at 60 seconds looks to me like MI GOP Chair Meshawn Maddock, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left corner of the screen at 3 minutes and 19 seconds in looks to me like Michele Lundgren, a GOP former nominee for a House seat in Detroit which she lost in a major landslide, who is among the charged.
The woman near the bottom right of the screen at 3 minutes and 7 seconds in looks to me like MI GOP Vice chairperson Marian Sheridan, who is among the charged.
Papa Smurf on the left at 1 minute and 1 second looks to me like GOP member Ken Thompson, who is among the charged.
The woman in the bottom left at 1 second in looks to me like GOP member Rose Rook, who is among the charged.
If it makes you feel better, the Michigan republican party is effectively dead. They lost every branch of government, their funding is pretty much dried up, they had abandon their longstanding headquarters and are now based out of a PO box.
Their former leadership is gone, and now they're run by an actual crazy person with a degree in Christian apologetics who insists the majority of voters are murderers for codifying the right to an abortion via ballot. They were an anti-vaxxer before covid, they think abortion is a "satanic ritual" and that yoga is a "demonic ceremony".
Just a week or two ago they made the news when two members got into a fistfight during a meeting, they're a circus.
Another of the 16 electors, Michele Lundgren, said she was distraught over the charges and she questioned what evidence prosecutors had.
The 73-year-old Detroiter said she had simply received a call on Dec. 13, 2020, to be in Lansing the following day. While there, Lundgren signed what she thought was a sign-in sheet, she said.
“We signed a blank piece of paper," Lundgren said. "And that’s all can tell you."
This is going to be a super entertaining trial
We signed a blank piece of paper!
Mental capacity of a bucket of used syringes
Lmao. 16 assholes about to get a big government dicking. Those forgery charges are 14 years a pop lol.
The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.
This comment is straight out of Megamind (adult edition) and I love it.
……Is that a real thing?
Not in the slightest.
Imagine being dumb enough to commit a felony for a billionaire who hates you.
"I'm going to jail for an NFT salesman." ---Unite the Right organizer and generally hideous fucker Baked Alaska
Good, fuck em.
This is good and proper.
These people are not “political prisoners”. They were part of an attempted coup, and should absolutely be prosecuted to the maximum extent that the law prescribes.
Throw the fucking book at these old decrepit humans. Let them rot.
So, was it their job to be electors and they falsified something, or was it not even their job and they lied about that plus falsified something?
When states count the vote in a federal election they send a group of people called electors to the national congress. Those electors then cast that state's electoral votes according to state law (usually winner-take-all but a couple states split proportionally). These people falsely claimed to be the electors from Michigan, selected according to Michigan law, and they intended to infiltrate the meeting of the electoral college and fraudulently cast Michigan's electoral votes for Trump, who lost the state of Michigan in a free and fair election and was, by Michigan law, entitled to zero electoral votes. In doing so they also intended to deny Joe Biden the electoral votes of Michigan, which he had rightfully earned by winning a free and fair election.
Ah, now I understand what was going on with them. Thank you for writing this all out for me.
Based on the article's admittedly poorly-wordered description, it sounds like the former. I think they were the would-be electors had Trump won the state -- when called to the state's GOP HQ, they signed a document claiming to have met in the state capitol, though they had not. When that certificate was submitted, that's when the alleged fraud took place.
Note: IANAL, just trying to decipher the article
Wisconsin next please.
Man I want a big greasy cheeseburger so bad. Dieting is not an enjoyable experience.
ayyyyy^lmao^
Elder abuse to go and trick these poor old ladies and gentlemen. It doesn't matter they were the ones stupid enough to fall for it, that's why we have elder abuse laws.
E. I see now that my joke was clunky and misunderstood. What I mean to say is it that these people don't get excused for being gullible pawns because what they did was criminal, and the people who organized this shit are much more culpable and should receive the more severe punishment. Luckily, these people are the same dumb assholes that made it law in Michigan to charge inmates $48,000 per year to be in prison, real real. So hopefully on the flip side of their sentences they are broke, in addition to being ex cons.
Is your stance that 55 year olds are not in a mental capacity to be eligible to vote? That's much lower than I would have said.
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