I promise the Republican Party

2 years ago by 101 to c/microblogmemes

kvasir476 167 points 2 years ago

Me looking for Kamala Harris's "radical Marxist policies"

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Drusas 28 points 2 years ago

I've got a set of microscopes I could lend you.

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Viking_Hippie 22 points 2 years ago

You're going to need an overactive imagination too. Possibly a collection of cognitive impairments.

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Drusas 9 points 2 years ago

More cognitive impairments equals more human, right?

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Aceticon 6 points 2 years ago

Surelly lots and lots of psychadelic drugs would achieve a similar effect!?

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jaybone 5 points 2 years ago

The five dollar milkshake.

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octopus_ink 6 points 2 years ago

You don't put bourbon in it or nothin'?

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NoMadMan 2 points 2 years ago

Love it! πŸ˜…πŸ˜…

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AnarchistsForKamala 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 12402230 12424673, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 9
Schmoo 1 point 2 years ago

Wtf

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AnarchistsForKamala -1 points 2 years ago

no one seems to like my memes

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Schmoo 2 points 2 years ago

It's because they're strange. The message they're communicating is inscrutable.

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ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling 90 points 2 years ago
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OpenPassageways 88 points 2 years ago

Democrats: "let's pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism"

Republicans: "that's socialism and you're a Marxist!"

Youth: "we want reform so I guess we like socialism!"

Republicans: "the radical left is indoctrinating our kids!"

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Ensign_Crab 7 points 2 years ago

Followed by :

Democrats: "Fine we'll do whatever you want! Just don't call us commies!"

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AntiOutsideAktion 4 points 2 years ago

Democrats: β€œlet’s pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism”

Which democrats? The fuck?

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SirDerpy -23 points 2 years ago
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PapaStevesy 26 points 2 years ago

Name one Marxist policy that has ever existed in the US.

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PeggyLouBaldwin 9 points 2 years ago

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sukhmel 0 points 2 years ago

Wow, Republicans are Marxists πŸ€”

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AntiOutsideAktion 4 points 2 years ago

That's an incoherent question.

I guess the closest actual answer would be the Black Panthers and their activities

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technocrit 2 points 2 years ago

8 hour work day. 5 day week. (still too long but an improvement). OSHA... The list is literally endless.

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CooperRedArmyDog 5 points 2 years ago

OSHA, as much as I love it is not even close to Socialism, its enabling act requries it to consider the effects of profit before any rule comes into place. The citiations are far too low to mean anything, and almost always the too low fines are negotiated down, or vacated intirely.

OSHA is a worker protection but it exests as part of capitalism

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago

Depends on whether you consider social welfare programs an acceptable version of transitional socialism.

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explodicle 11 points 2 years ago

ACA

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Olgratin_Magmatoe 8 points 2 years ago path: 0 12407718 12408407 12416305, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
xantoxis 65 points 2 years ago

I promise you, the Republican party doesn't care who they offend as long as it's an out-group.

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sharkfucker420 59 points 2 years ago

Genuinely, watching Harris be referred to as a radical communist hurts me

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LifeInMultipleChoice 27 points 2 years ago

Radical Marxist communist fascist or something wasn't it. Lol

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thesporkeffect 13 points 2 years ago

Radical:❔ maybe, if she can skateboard

Marxist: ❌ lol

Communist: ❌

Fascist: βœ… could be worse though

(I'm voting for Kamala, don't be grumpy)

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Drusas 14 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure how many of the youngins remember that use of the word 'radical'.

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EldritchFeminity 16 points 2 years ago

Only those who are totally tubular.

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NoMadMan 2 points 2 years ago

Knowingly voting for a fascist. That's interesting. You're different.

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xor -1 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, those well known non-radical fascists

You 🀝 Trump

Things I don't like are fascism

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AnarchistsForKamala 4 points 2 years ago

in political scholarship, radical has a specific meaning, and fascism is not radical. it is reactionary

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NoMadMan 0 points 2 years ago
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asteriskeverything 51 points 2 years ago

I was just impressed trump graduated from communist to Marxist. Getting more specific and less accurate!

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bestagon 10 points 2 years ago

I swear the republicans are running pr for democrats. Harris went from β€œcommunist” to Marxist, and not even attached to Lenin!

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tatterdemalion 3 points 2 years ago

Republicans don't know the difference between the types of communists.

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prole 2 points 2 years ago
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frezik 5 points 2 years ago

I laughed out loud at the debate where he said Harris' father was a "marxist professor of economics". That is not a thing.

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Objection 7 points 2 years ago

What do you mean "that's not a thing?" I don't believe he's ever explicitly called himself a Marxist but he has cited Marx as an influence on his works, as a professor of economics.

One of Harris's most notable contributions to economics is his 1978 monograph Capital Accumulation and Income Distribution, which is a critique of orthodox economic theories that provides an alternative, synthesizing the work of David Ricardo, Kalecki, Marx, Roy Harrod, and others. Harris employs mathematical modeling to explore the relationship between the accumulation of capital and income inequality, economic growth, economic instability, and other phenomena, arguing that typical theories fail to adequately consider power, class, and historical context.

It seems basically true that he's a Marxist professor of economics. It's just not really relevant to Kamala since she's an entirely different person.

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AFC1886VCC 10 points 2 years ago
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technocrit 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 12403867 12408445 12413165 12429174, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
Objection 2 points 2 years ago

If someone called him a Ricardian professor of economics and someone else was like, "Lol that's not a thing" I'd say that the first person was more right than the second, with the same disclaimers I said in my comment.

Again, I think the whole issue is silly. Kamala is not her father. And I don't see being a Marxist as being a bad thing. Considering how much the term gets slung around in US politics to people it doesn't apply to at all, like Kamala Harris or Obama, I think it's kind of silly to push back against it when it's being used with someone who could credibly be called a Marxist. Especially when the much more clear and relevant line is that her father is irrelevant.

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AntiOutsideAktion 3 points 2 years ago

Marxist is less specific than communist

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zeppo 47 points 2 years ago

I’m more of a practical American socialist than a radical communist (since that’s unlikely to happen here) but it offends me because republicans are just so ignorant. The average Republican essentially has no idea what socialism, communism or fascism actually are, and conservatives have been using this as a scary label for my entire life.

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Cowbee 6 points 2 years ago

I’m more of a practical American socialist than a radical communist (since that’s unlikely to happen here)

Why do you say this? What's a "practical American Socialist?"

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zeppo 13 points 2 years ago
  • practical: I don't have any delusions that the US will implement leftism more extreme than EU style socialist policies any time soon
  • American: I'm from the US
  • socialist: I feel the government should be involved more in regulating industries, owning certain categories of services, moderating excess wealth, and ensuring the financial/economic well-being of citizens, as opposed to the conservative style which is basically 'well, if you're poor then fuck off'.
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Cowbee 5 points 2 years ago
  • practical: I don't have any delusions that the US will implement leftism more extreme than EU style socialist policies any time soon

The EU doesn't have socialist policies, you're referring to social safety nets.

  • socialist: I feel the government should be involved more in regulating industries, owning certain categories of services, moderating excess wealth, and ensuring the financial/economic well-being of citizens, as opposed to the conservative style which is basically 'well, if you're poor then fuck off'.

So you're talking Social Democracy, like the Nordics, not Socialism.

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zeppo 8 points 2 years ago

Not precisely as I mentioned public ownership of some industries and services that are privately owned. Healthcare and drug production would be two good examples.

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NoMadMan -1 points 2 years ago

Look, people have been debating the definition of socialism for decades, and you guys are not going to figure out here today on Lemmy World.

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DragonTypeWyvern 3 points 2 years ago

Defeatist (based on observation of fact)

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zeppo 4 points 2 years ago

Defeatist because I'm not pushing for full communism or are you referring to something else?

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago

The thing about defeatism is that sometimes it's just correct, the war is lost. Socialism as in the workers owning the means of production is a currently impossible concept for America. Social democracy would need a tidal wave of the YOOTHS building a New Deal-type political coalition as the Boomers die off but it's something you can work towards.

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technocrit 2 points 2 years ago

Both parties agree on the standard indoctrination. They only disagree about the purpose/topics of the brainwashing. Neither party wants it to include an honest discussion about socialism, fascism, etc. It's a self-perpetuating problem where the indoctrinators don't even understand what this stuff means.

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zeppo 1 point 2 years ago

I agree that corporate hegemony is non-negotiable in mainstream US politics. The question is what to do about it, and which version is worse. Republicans are far, far worse about everything that is on the table. Democrats are willing to reign in the corporations a little bit and actually help people. The Republican propaganda and the insane policies they think of are far, far worse.

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NoMadMan -1 points 2 years ago

In order not to be confounded with economic socialists, who the right accuses of wanting everything for free at the expense of others, I always inform people that I am a Nathan J. Robinson socialist.

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zeppo 1 point 2 years ago

I read about Robinson and it all sounds pretty reasonable.

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kittenzrulz123 44 points 2 years ago

Im not offended as much as I am disappointed in the Democrat party, why aren't they as cool as the Republican say they are. Whenever Trump calls them "far left communists" I think "damn I wish", instead they're boring center right liberals. Also I was promised by Trump that the Democrats would end capitalism, kill capitalists, instiute a worker owned economy, open the borders to immigration, enforce Trans rights, promote actual diversity, and unify the left under the red banner.

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technocrit 9 points 2 years ago

Dems are as cool as republicans because they're the same thing. The dems aren't going to call republicans fascist because the dems share all the same symptoms. They're not going to call out the republicans for supporting genocide because they also support genocide. They're not going to call out republicans on supporting the prison state because dems also support the prison state. The dems aren't going to criticize the republicans for serving capital because the dems serve capital. Etc.

You gotta realize these politicians are agreeing on much much more than they disagree. It's what's not debated that's most important.

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ansiz 2 points 2 years ago

It's worse than that, Dems today are literally more right wing than Richard Nixon. Nixon literally wanted Federal universal healthcare at one point, started the EPA and expanded welfare.

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emmie -28 points 2 years ago

Teenager energy right here, apparently functioning everyday life is boring and some wanna make some french style revolution cause raging hormones and underdeveloped brain. I promise you grow out of it though

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Cowbee 20 points 2 years ago

Everyday life is not functioning πŸ‘

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emmie -17 points 2 years ago

I am very sorry for you. Let’s make a total revolution then and upend everything because Cowbee cannot function

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Cowbee 14 points 2 years ago

It likely doesn't function for you either, unless you're a business owner or landlord

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Entertainmeonly 14 points 2 years ago

41 year old here. Not everyone grows up to be a fascist repub.

Socialist right here.

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problematicPanther 14 points 2 years ago

when do you grow out of it? I'm in my mid thirties and the urge to water the tree of freedom has nothing but grown.

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emmie -17 points 2 years ago

Well I guess there are exceptions. I blame trans/lgbt internet bubbles where desperate flock to. If no one loves you except commies you kinda are bound to become one permanently. Almost happened here too

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mriormro 10 points 2 years ago

This is some of the dumbest shit I've read in a while.

You have both such a narrow understanding of political positions as well as, seemingly, a narrow perspective of other people's lives.

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CooperRedArmyDog 9 points 2 years ago

I can tell you from personal experence that Trans/LGBT bubbles as you call it, are incredably liberal and very rarely communist, Second have you considered why they are desperate, or was that enough for you to dismiss them. Third... do you know what Communism is? fourth, do you mean "here too" as you almost became a communist, or where you live almost did fifth, please learn what communism is, and also understand why there are spaces like the LGBT spaces,

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Knoxvomica 12 points 2 years ago

I'm 37 and want this.

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AntiOutsideAktion 8 points 2 years ago

Coming off as your accusations here

wanna make some french style revolution

And not smart enough to keep your ignorance of history under your hat to boot

great first impression

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kittenzrulz123 7 points 2 years ago

Counterpoint, you're literally a capitalist. Just because the system benefits you doesn't mean it benefits the working class.

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emmie -9 points 2 years ago

I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time

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zarkanian 7 points 2 years ago

I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time

Now that is teenager energy.

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kittenzrulz123 6 points 2 years ago

That is insanely out of touch, oh yeah ill just casually aquire capital because I have millions of dollars lying around. It ain't like im struggling with low wages and an incredibly high cost of living. Consider talking to people outside of your circle of capitalists and maybe try talking to some working class people.

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chemicalprophet 4 points 2 years ago

You’re DAFt. Hopefully you’re able to grow out of it.

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Shapillon 3 points 2 years ago

It's just an hyperbole about how leftists feel about vaguely centrist policies.

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Juice 39 points 2 years ago

Democrats should ask themselves why Republicans are more worried about imaginary communists than actual Democrats

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qarbone 1 point 2 years ago

Is this a genuine comment? Or some n-th level joke I'm too normie understand?

Because it reads to me like you're trying to redirect a tired, Comservative refrain that anything politically Left of Reagonomics is Communism (which hails back to the Cold War and the Red Scare) into some dogwhistle admission by the GOP that they are the same as the DNP and are, in fact, actually worried about Communists.

Which sounds ridiculous.

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Juice 5 points 2 years ago

Dog whistle admission? No I don't think that republicans and democrats believe they are the "same" and I don't think that communists believe that GOP and dems believe that about themselves. Some young online communists might believe that Republicans and democrats are the same, since they are both capitalist parties, but that's kind of a coarse analysis and I don't think its great messaging.

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qarbone 7 points 2 years ago

Then I'll have to ask you what the original comment meant as you've denied the only obvious take I could read from it.

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PapaStevesy 13 points 2 years ago

Seems to me like they're simply implying that the GOP knows they can't beat Democrats on policy so they create this Communist Strawman to scare their constituents. It's pretty basic GOP SOP.

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Juice 7 points 2 years ago

Republicans aren't afraid of democrats because dems aren't a threat to republican power. Republican policy threatens the lives of millions of women, children, bipoc, lgbtq+, etc., but dems can only stave off the worst abuses, such as a second trump term (they'd better be able to, so far looks like he's cooked) or launch a campaign once the rights have been taken away. And yes its true, republicans and democrats get funding from many of the same sources, democrats have even funded goofball republicans they thought would be easier to defeat (see desantis, trump). Republicans have nothing to fear from a democrat. I am wishing that democrats were more self reflective of these reasons and many others; but rather than do an ounce of self reflection "the only obvious" take you could get made no sense. Its sadly quite telling, as to how otherwise good, intelligent people are able to believe and adhere to the nonexistent "back to brunch" political program of the democrats.

Hope that clarifies my perspective for you a smidge

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towerful 1 point 2 years ago

It's probably the whole "yeh, still capitalism. Still big oil. Still big pharma. Still genocide and world-police".
And you show that Dems are better on all those things. But because Dems don't fully SOLVE 4/4 of them, it doesn't matter who you vote for because you still get fucked.

It's bullshit.
Dems have more social benefit policies and track record of social improvements than reps.
ACA, vet funding/care, insulin etc pricing, student loans. Hopefully things like unions, but idk if I have been caught up in propaganda that Dems don't care about unions.

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technocrit 2 points 2 years ago

That's a desperate list. Student loans, eh?

The only real form of vet care is abolishing imperialism and the military.

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gandalf_der_12te 34 points 2 years ago

Both sides are wrong, just that Democrats are center-wrong, while Republicans are far-wrong.

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DragonTypeWyvern 2 points 2 years ago

They're right-wrong. Social democracy is a centrist position, not neoliberalism.

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Shapillon 1 point 2 years ago

I q

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frog_brawler 34 points 2 years ago
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SirDerpy 18 points 2 years ago

Corporate donors disapprove.

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Cowbee 18 points 2 years ago

Why would they? The Democrats are one wing of a state dominated by monopolist Capitalists, they serve the monopolist Capitalists.

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NoMadMan 0 points 2 years ago

But which socialism? The economic socialism that those on the right hate, or the true social Socialism of which so many enjoy the fruits?

When are we going to start PUBLICLY calling out those on the right who accepted COVID stimulus checks from the government? This was a blatantly socialist program, bigger than the "Obamaphones" even (before you go off on me for citing Obamaphones, keep in mind that I believe a smartphone with service is a human right.) we've got all these people walking around from the right to talk about how much they hate socialism but that 3,200 seemed to come in pretty handy for most of them.

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Cowbee 3 points 2 years ago

Social programs are not socialism.

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NoMadMan -3 points 2 years ago

You should read more and type less.

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Cowbee 3 points 2 years ago

Social programs are not socialism. The covid checks were not socialist.

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Cowbee 31 points 2 years ago

Can confirm. Every time the reps call Kamala a "comrade" or "Communist" I die a little bit inside.

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xenoclast 26 points 2 years ago

They're using a word their base is afraid of to paint their enemies in a negative light.

Their words aren't for any of us.

They'll change to using anarchist satanists or whatever once their base has reached somatic satiation and "communist" no longer generates enough of the right dopamine hit.

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Cowbee 13 points 2 years ago

Oh I'm aware, believe me. The world would be a much better place if Kamala was actually a Communist is what I'm saying.

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UnderpantsWeevil 13 points 2 years ago

If Kamala had tried to do anything vaguely socialist while AG or Senator, they'd have gakked her like they did Harvey Milk.

Silicon Valley leadership wants to turn California into a fully techno-fascist dystopia. Nobody who has climbed the ladder as Dem, Repub, or Indie politician has lasted long against that effort. Harris isn't an exception. She's the kind of politician a state produces when anyone more liberal than Gruesome Newsome is systematically excluded from the party.

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Cowbee 8 points 2 years ago

Exactly. The entire electoral system is a great filtering process.

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xenoclast 10 points 2 years ago

Or they'll get lucky and a new term like Trans or BLM will come along.

Hate is hate. People that hate will hate. Societies that don't respond quickly and firmly to reduce hate will grow more hate. Etc .

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Cowbee 10 points 2 years ago

Ideas come from material conditions, hatred of trans people, black people, etc. is a result of rising fascism due to decay in Capitalism and proletarianization of the Petite Bourgeoisie.

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xenoclast 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah. Good ol fear leading to authoritarianism. One day maybe humans will able to teach enough history to enough humans living on earth at one time to finally learn to not repeat these cycles..

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needthosepylons 5 points 2 years ago

I truly had no idea the English name was similar to the French one. TIL something.

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Angry_Autist 3 points 2 years ago

'communist' has been a hot word since the 50s and I don't see any sign of it ever slowing down

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xenoclast 1 point 2 years ago

Agreed .. but it's also kind of meaningless. Which it my point. It's an emotion generating word. Not a "communicating an idea or concept" word. So when it's said it's only ever really used to make you react emotionally.

But you can only get so worked up with only one "hate" word. To continue the cycle they gotta add new ones to keep you keyed up.

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Angry_Autist 3 points 2 years ago

The right doesn't care about the idea or concept, if they found out that blurting out the meaningless phrase 'Blaguoasrunt' at a loud volume triggered people, they would do it, it would catch on, and people would make merchandise about it.

Regressive communications are the death of meaning, and I do not mean that casually. They take words and abuse them so much that everyone else stops caring about the word, regardless of what it meant before.

The word 'Patriot' is a great example. No one I know would appreciate that title because constant right wing misuse of it has twisted its meaning even in common phrases.

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NostraDavid 0 points 2 years ago
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AnarchoSnowPlow 1 point 2 years ago

Well shit.

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Zess 9 points 2 years ago

"Explain to me what you think a communist is"

I guarantee they give a wrong answer if they can even figure one out.

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Cowbee 2 points 2 years ago

To be fair, most people on Lemmy.world can't either. The vast majority of people in the west have not read Marx, or if they have done so, they have only read the Communist Manifesto perhaps once. Communism is so thoroughly demonized in the Imperial Core that only a minor fraction have even read Marx, and only a fraction among them have read more than just the CM.

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TheFrirish 6 points 2 years ago

When I heard Trump calling her "Marxis-Leninist" I was like mate you don't even know the beginning of the beginning of even socialism.

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Cowbee 4 points 2 years ago path: 0 12412698 12426512 12426531, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 2
Shapillon 4 points 2 years ago

Idk how much is weapons grade stupidity and how much is that affect reactionaries adopt around not rberimg things they dislike.

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Cowbee 5 points 2 years ago

They have an endless buzzword pocket that they cycle around. Marxist-Leninist, Communist, Socialist, Transgender, Illegal, CRT, DEI, etc.

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repungnant_canary 25 points 2 years ago

Is it forbidden in English to use commas?

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amw3i7dwgoblinlabs 16 points 2 years ago

Too close to the word commi

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tacosplease 14 points 2 years ago

Commas are somewhat discouraged... or at least discretion with commas is encouraged. We have a rule about commas. "If in doubt, don't."

We should only use commas for certain prescribed circumstances or if the comma is necessary for clarity.

That said I will defend the Oxford comma to my last breath.

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kieron115 6 points 2 years ago

The irony being that now people use ellipses to mark a sentence pause, which isn't really how an ellipsis is meant to be used. They were supposed to be for removing unnecessary but implied language from quotes. Agreed on the oxford comma though.

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tacosplease 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah I like the ... despite knowing it's really for something like a trailing list. Its use seems regional even within the US. Our business partners in Chicago didn't like it when we included the dots in emails.

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meowMix2525 1 point 2 years ago

That being said every comma they did use was also wrong.

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kieron115 1 point 2 years ago

Oh good point. When you nest something into commas like that the sentence is supposed to still make sense when you remove the bit between the commas.

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Cowbee 6 points 2 years ago

According to Cormac McCarthy? Yes.

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ShaggySnacks 4 points 2 years ago

My forgotten friend, the ; is always sad that people forget that they exist.

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kieron115 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 12416751 12431157, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
BlackDragon 18 points 2 years ago

As a communist... Yeah

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Angry_Autist 16 points 2 years ago

I promise the republican party doesn't care and just says whatever is most offensive in their eyes.

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DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 2 years ago

Bro, they genuinely just don't know what words mean. Source: My Never Trumper dad who unironically called Trump a communist.

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Olhonestjim 16 points 2 years ago

And it doesn't make communism sound scary at all, but rather mysterious, alluring, and worth checking out.

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rottingleaf 3 points 2 years ago

Unless you've lived in ex-USSR.

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Olhonestjim 1 point 2 years ago

And after looking into it, we find that the Soviets never really achieved communism in anything but name. Once again, like the feudal state they rebelled against before, it was rule by dictatorship, and rations for the people. They just couldn't give up the idea of a strongman. The people by no means ever owned the means of production in the USSR. Of course, we can never confirm that communism is inherently untenable from their example. The capitalist nations were no help at all, and forced the Soviets to waste resources on a strong military. But even despite their failings, communism was still the best thing to ever happen to Russia. Unfortunately, Russia was also the worst thing that ever happened to communism.

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Facebones 8 points 2 years ago

People who love arguing socialist states fail love to ignore that the reasons are 95% economic interference and outright military intervention or coups from capitalist countries.

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rottingleaf 0 points 2 years ago

The guy who answered you is actually right.

Outright military interventions and coups are part of the package called the real world.

Anyway, I would replace "capitalist" with "bandit" here. Because "capitalism" is just as square-abstract as "communism", while IRL just as vulnerable to those.

See, there's an important thing called "feedback". If there's no feedback from you, your life doesn't matter and you get stomped upon.

60s-70s USSR had very weak feedback mechanisms, but still surprisingly better than today's Russia. Some things that people just accept today would cause real protests there. Half the ministries would be paralyzed by people saying that following such a policy is against their conscience. I really believe that, yes.

But then, due to its slow collapse and decay, those feedbacks becoming stronger started pushing for change that would deprive the ruling class - KGB and similar or related people, bureaucrats and relatives, anyway, the real structures usually don't have names, - of power. That's when that class hijacked the popular movement from the likes of Sakharov or Starovoitova and created modern post-Soviet states.

Which means that it had blind zones with no feedbacks said class used. And the more centralist-bureaucratic and non-transparent a state is, the more blind zones it has.

Anything that takes the power from being distributed between separate people and assembles it into one Moloch, calling it "power of the people", controlled by hell knows whom, means that those people who actually have principles will get stomped.

As we can see, though, same things happen in countries very far from being "communist" or "socialist".

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Valmond -4 points 2 years ago

So, it doesn't work?

Edit: Lol angry tankies incoming.

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StinkySocialist 5 points 2 years ago

Not arguing anything with you stranger. I know what we're told in the states, but I don't think things are quite what we're told they are.

Just want to share this declassified documents straight from cia's website. The first little blurb says Stalin wasn't really a dictator. Do with that what you will. ✌️

https://www.cia.gov/...

Also the USSR was a socialisy state, not communist. Communism is a stateless society by definition. The word socialist is literally one of the s's in USSR.

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago

Stalin wasn't a dictator in the sense that he didn't have absolute power, but in the sense that everyone at the top agreed dissenters belong in slave camps he was absolutely the head of state of an authoritarian system, which most folks are happy to call a dictator.

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rottingleaf 1 point 2 years ago

It was not a feudal state. It was roughly similar to post-slavery South in the USA.

Yes, I already wrote they didn't "achieve communism". It's the point of my text that they were promising it in the future in exchange for loyalty to a weird system in the present.

Sorry, wrong comment.

and forced the Soviets to waste resources on a strong military.

Oh, so it's "the capitalist nations", not the way Soviet system worked, made this so expensive?

But even despite their failings, communism was still the best thing to ever happen to Russia.

Stolypin and Witte are generally considered something much, much better. The closest it came to a normal society with civilization potential.

Unfortunately, Russia was also the worst thing that ever happened to communism.

One could argue Khmer Rouge were that, but IRL communists' incredible ability to just pretend it didn't happen makes USSR the most notable example.

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TheObviousSolution 14 points 2 years ago

Fucking commies, taking our tea and throwing it overboard just because they didn't want to pay taxes. We should send an armada to put them all in jail.

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JasonDJ 2 points 2 years ago

Look, when Britain taxed our tea, we got frisky...Imagine what'll happen when they try to tax our whiskey!

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CazzoneArrapante 13 points 2 years ago

Capitalism (or at least the current form of it) and right-wing parties should be illegalized worldwide.

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Shapillon 10 points 2 years ago

Imho the proletariat neess more class consciousness in order for this to be feasible.

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Cowbee 5 points 2 years ago

It isn't feasible, period, until Socialism is achieved, which requires a smashing of the bourgeois state and a replacement with a democratic worker-government.

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Shapillon 1 point 2 years ago

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I just put increased class consciousness as a prerequisite to ending capitalism.

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sumguyonline 9 points 2 years ago
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chaogomu 3 points 2 years ago

I have a better idea than the gallows. Give them a minimum wage job that deals with customers.

A small one bedroom apartment thrown is as well, and no access to their money for a few years. just their minimum wage.

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AI_toothbrush 9 points 2 years ago

As i always say its not the communists its the tankies. Communists want a different economic system but still agree on the equality of people and they can either want an autocratic or democratic system(from what i see simple communists usually want democracy). Then theres the tankies. They support full autocratic governments that are usually not even communitst like china and want a violent revolution. Often times they are even transphobic. Its the one group of people that annoys me more than nazis because they are basically nazis but on my side of the political compass. Also im socdem and have to explain to everyone that no that is not communism but tbf most people dont like communism because they teach its bad and not because they got to the conclusion with their own knowledge.

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Cowbee 6 points 2 years ago

As i always say its not the communists its the tankies. Communists want a different economic system but still agree on the equality of people and they can either want an autocratic or democratic system(from what i see simple communists usually want democracy). Then theres the tankies. They support full autocratic governments that are usually not even communitst like china and want a violent revolution.

What do you mean by an "autocratic system?" All Communists support democratic systems, the idea of there being some especially evil Communists that don't want democratic systems is unfounded. Additionally, all Communists want revolution, reformism is anti-Marxist to the core. The State and Revolution is around 25% Marx and Engels quotes and goes over why Marxists believe Revolution is the only path to Communism, and goes over how to make a far more democratic government.

Often times they are even transphobic.

Who? The far-right American Communist Party are not Communists and reject Marxism. The 3 most Communist-friendly Lemmy instances are the most militantly defensive of trans individuals on Lemmy.

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Saurok 3 points 2 years ago

Why do you think the ACP is right wing and reject Marxism? Literally they mention being Marxist-Leninist multiple times on the website you link. Nothing I've ever heard them espouse has been right wing, but I'd love if you could point me to some analysis that explains how you arrived at that conclusion.

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Cowbee 4 points 2 years ago

The ACP is a group of PatSocs, also known as MAGA Communism. They advocate for Patriotism and Nationalism within the Imperial Core, as opposed to an emphasis on Internationalism, which means it is opportunist and revisionist at minimum and plays into the hands of Imperialists. Ie, PatSocs side with the Imperialist Capitalists of their own country and advocate for central planning and other "Marxist" ideas.

They are similar to the German Nazi Party but with more lip service to Marxism.

This is not to be confused with the Communist Party of the USA, which is Reformist and thus Revisionist.

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Saurok 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for elaborating.

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NoMadMan 0 points 2 years ago

Sounds a lot like the USSR, were they not PatSocs?

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NoMadMan -2 points 2 years ago

Similarly, when I learned the error of my ways and decide to join the American socialist party, I learned that they were just a bunch of trans-fascists using the name and popularity of Socialism. This is a new world folks, nothing is as it appears.

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AnarchoSnowPlow 3 points 2 years ago

Ooh! Ooh! Who are the three most communist friendly Lemmy instances and do they want to be friends?

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Cowbee 2 points 2 years ago

Hexbear and Lemmygrad are the two explicitly Communist instances, and Lemmy.ml has Marxist-Leninist admins (though apparently they claim .ml is because it's cheap, not for Marxism-Leninism).

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technocrit 1 point 2 years ago

What do you mean by an β€œautocratic system?”

Many red fash support the states of North Korea, Russia, China, etc.

Ofc "real commies" would never support any state. But there aren't many real commies out there. Most identify as anarchists, nihilists, etc. in order to avoid ideology/terminology that's largely been recuperated by authoritarianism, capitalism, statism, etc.

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Cowbee 1 point 2 years ago

Many red fash support the states of North Korea, Russia, China, etc.

"Red-fash" isn't a thing, except perhaps for PatSocs and MAGA Communists, like the aforementioned American Communist Party. There are Marxists, and Marxists generally defend AES. There are no Marxists who support Russia except in its anti-NATO stance.

Additionally, this doesn't answer my question. What specifically makes a government authouritarian?

Ofc "real commies" would never support any state.

Are Marx, Engels, and Lenin not "real commies?" I suggest reading The State and Revolution, it's around 25% Marx and Engels quotes and goes over the Marxist Theory of the State. Specifically, the Marxist position is that the State can't be abolished overnight, so we must smash the Capitalist state and replace it with a more democratic worker-state that will itself work out contradictions, transitioning from a policing of people to an administration of things, a state-as-not-a-state.

Most identify as anarchists, nihilists, etc. in order to avoid ideology/terminology that's largely been recuperated by authoritarianism.

Ah, that's why you didn't answer the authoritarian question and reject the Marxist analysis of the State, you're an Anarchist and are trying to claim full ownership of the word "Communism" and reject all of Marxism itself. I suggest reading Marxist theory, not just Goldman and Kropotkin.

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Valmond -1 points 2 years ago

Scared of discussing now are we?

Blocked lol

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Cowbee 3 points 2 years ago

You obviously have not once been operating in good faith, so I stopped engaging.

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NoMadMan -2 points 2 years ago

Yes everybody wants a democratic system until that democratic system picks the guy/gal that you don't like. Then the mail-in ballots come out.

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explodicle 1 point 2 years ago

Academic question: are they really on your side of the political compass if they want less democracy and less trans rights?

Socialism means shared control of the factors of production... if the control isn't shared, then de jure landlords are just replaced by de facto "landlords", like in Animal Farm.

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AI_toothbrush 1 point 2 years ago

Yes but the political compass is a vast oversimplification of ones opionions. Think about it. How can nazism, a social ideology, be on the same axis as communism, an economical idiology. This is part of what im trying to point out in the original comment. Its interesting how you can be both a communist and a tankie but on the right side its basically just nazi nothing else. The left side is much more diverse as you bunch in basically everyone who isnt a nazi. The problem is the right often masquerades as something else and then slowly pulls people to nazism while on the left side we are always arguing with ourselves over smaller matters while we let the right eat up everything.

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explodicle 2 points 2 years ago

Personally I think ancaps are way different from Nazis, despite both being far right. Fascism is a merger of state and corporate power, which makes it at least partially an economic ideology.

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NoMadMan -2 points 2 years ago

Does anybody else find it interesting that the name Nazi referred to national socialists? Now apply that to this discussion.

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NoMadMan -2 points 2 years ago

Please stop talking about there being "a political compass" for crying out loud!

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explodicle 1 point 2 years ago

Ok then same question but without "of the political compass"

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technocrit -1 points 2 years ago

Then theres the tankies... they are basically nazis

They like to be called tankies. It makes them feel powerful and vanguardy.

Just call them red fash. More accurate.

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AntiOutsideAktion 4 points 2 years ago

The real fascists are the ones who put fascists in jail instead of in charge of nato

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Valmond -22 points 2 years ago

Communism != Democracy.

You are maybe thinking of socio democracy.

For the tankies, spot on though.

Edit: what the hell people, communism is power to the people through revolution, there's no fucking democracy in it.

Democracy is democracy, not communism smh.

Edit: In a democratic way I guess, all my comments were removed. Lots of commie bots here lol

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pyre 26 points 2 years ago

on the contrary, communism is the final form of democracy.

capitalism != democracy because capital owners have a disproportionate amount of social, economic and political power, if not all. in a capitalist society the laws and police are there largely to protect and preserve capital and not you.

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FlyingSquid 2 points 2 years ago

I would suggest that the final form would be anarcho-syndicalism.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/...

I also think our basic human natures make such cooperative systems unlikely on any large scale.

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pyre 13 points 2 years ago

I'm using communism as a bit of a catch-all term. the specifics are not my concern so long as the people hold the power.

and i disagree with your statement there. human nature is whatever we do with it. there's nothing natural about capitalism.

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NoMadMan -1 points 2 years ago

Well, I mean, we are capital in a sense...

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party_planet 12 points 2 years ago

Communism is just a desire/plan for having democratic control over the economic sphere as well as the political sphere. The authoritarian stuff is just some people taking a more rapid/paternalistic approach to achieving it.

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Valmond -3 points 2 years ago

This thread is just getting better.

Communism is not authoritarian, you're mixing up dictatorships calling themselves communists with communism.

Words are important.

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Cowbee 8 points 2 years ago

Read The State and Revolution. Communists support the replacement of bourgeois "democracy" with far more democratic structures via a popular revolution. Asserting the will of the many against the will of the minority is democratic.

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Valmond 1 point 2 years ago

Revolution isn't democracy.

Communism is based on revolution, to remove the bad apples, not on democracy & voting.

You all in this thread are like Good!=Bad ? Nooo there is good in bad!!

Democracy and Communism are two very (very) distinct systems. What did you do in school to confound or conflate the two of them?!

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Cowbee 6 points 2 years ago

Revolution isn't democracy.

Revolution is a mass popular movement to remove the minority from power to install the majority. A revolutionary movement without mass backing is not successful. Revolution is not done via election, yes, but that does not mean it is not democratic.

Communism is based on revolution, to remove the bad apples, not on democracy & voting.

Communism uses a revolution to create a more democratic system than the prior dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

You all in this thread are like Good!=Bad ? Nooo there is good in bad!!

No idea what this means.

Democracy and Communism are two very (very) distinct systems. What did you do in school to confound or conflate the two of them?

Communists advocate for mass popular movement and the installation of a democratic worker-state that will wither away over time into an administration of things, rather than a policing of people.

Read the book I linked.

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emmie -4 points 2 years ago

Don’t waste your time with permanently online commies

They are too self unaware to even know how dumb they sound and unfortunately infest this site like some kind of fruit flies. Harmless but annoying

I even sometimes collect their hot takes for public viewing elsewhere. It is never ending source of entertainment

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prole 6 points 2 years ago

Communism and Democracy are not mutually exclusive, they are on two different axes.

You're thinking of Communism and Capitalism, which are polar opposites.

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NoMadMan 1 point 2 years ago

However, revolution is a form of democracy. Direct action by the People.

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sxan 9 points 2 years ago

This is so true.

The only thing the righteous hate more than a heathen is a heretic.

Sectarianism is a fractal war where the only indivisible faction is the individual.

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qarbone 6 points 2 years ago

I like that last line. Is that from something? I'm uncultured.

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sxan 3 points 2 years ago

Thank you! It came from my brain. I'm not aware that it's been said that way by anyone else, although I don't think it's a unique observation.

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emmie -3 points 2 years ago

It’s from some video game based on young boys anime.

You can recognise it because of characteristic pseudo intellectual edge

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Valmond -1 points 2 years ago

Thanks (answering a now removed comment to me from you about not discussing with those commue troll bots). Yeah, all my answers got removed or something, forgot to check the user and ofc a .ml person. So I just blocked it.

Cheers

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MapleEngineer 7 points 2 years ago

The biggest danger to US democracy is not Donald Trump or the Project 2025 christofascists, it's the crushing ignorance of the US population. The gutting of the public education system means that many if not most Americans don't understand that, "fascist" isn't just a name like, "poopie head" that you call someone. It has a definition and clearly defined policies/behaviours that closely align with Trump/Vance/Johnston and their enablers. Communist and Marxist are very clearly defined things. Harris/Walz are pro business which means they are definitely NOT communists or Marxists.

If the US population were better educated and more knowledgable they would dump these Retrumplican clowns and rebuild the Republican party from scratch.

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Overshoot2648 1 point 2 years ago

It intentional semantic drift and has been happening for a very long time. They erode harsh terms with hyperbole and make normal positions seem extreme by stereotype and strawman. That's why I prefer specifying that I'm Mutualist rather than explain how the terms socialist/capitalist have drifted out of dichotomy or how the term anarchist and libertarian have become parodies of themselves.

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MapleEngineer 0 points 2 years ago

Modern Libertariansm is ridiculous. Libertarianism is far better aligned with socialism (where the people do the work and most of the the benefit stays with the people) than it is with either communism (where the people do the work and most of the benefit goes to the government/plutocrats) or capitalism (where the people do the work and most of the benefit goes to the wealthy/oligarchs.) Modern Libertarians are extremist right wing capitalist stooges.

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ZMoney 2 points 2 years ago

Your definition of communism further proves the earlier point about semantic drift. All of these terms are problematic because of their histories in the past 200 years.

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MapleEngineer 1 point 2 years ago

That is not a definition of communism. It is a reduction based on the definition. It is also perfectly representative of every modern communist regime.

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StinkySocialist 6 points 2 years ago

Close y'all are almost as bad as Republicans but not quite. It's still hella embarrassing to be associated with the democrats though.

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DragonTypeWyvern 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the larval stage of fascism at least pretends to care about human rights, even if they're not great about actually doing anything about them.

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Objection 4 points 2 years ago
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AnarchistsForKamala 1 point 2 years ago

oh gross. David rovics platformed Matthew heimbach. I can't support him any more.

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Objection -1 points 2 years ago

I hadn't looked into it til now but that's fair. A shame.

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AnarchistsForKamala 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 12404196 12424739, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 5
Objection -1 points 2 years ago

Pretending doesn't make it true.

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AnarchistsForKamala 1 point 2 years ago

can't we meme it into existence??

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Objection -1 points 2 years ago

No, that's just cope.

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rc__buggy 4 points 2 years ago

Catching strays to piss off the communists. I love it.

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okamiueru 4 points 2 years ago

Communists just think you are a little bit thick and/or uneducated. Maybe a little bit cute. Like a child who doesn't know what words mean.

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A7thStone 3 points 2 years ago

I resemble that remark.

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shasta 2 points 2 years ago

That sounds like a double win for the Republicans

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blockheadjt 2 points 2 years ago

"we're are"

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x00za -3 points 2 years ago
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Cowbee 12 points 2 years ago

Trump has pretty specifically called Kamala a Marxist because her dad is a Marxist economist, and Marxism must be genetic I guess

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technocrit 2 points 2 years ago

Ok but that's just one person. What about every other person that he's called a commie?

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Cowbee 4 points 2 years ago

Generally, "Commie" means Communist, ie a Marxist, not an Anarchist. The US rarely scare-mongers Anarchism, because there hasn't been a large Anarchist movement that served as a genuine threat at the world stage to the US.

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technocrit 2 points 2 years ago

Fascists don't know or care about nuance, meaning, reality, etc.

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OccamsRazer -6 points 2 years ago

It's for their own party members, same reason Democrats call Republicans fascists.

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tacosplease 9 points 2 years ago

Republicans (as a group) are fascists.

Democrats (as a group) are not communists.

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OccamsRazer -4 points 2 years ago

Lol are you serious? You gotta step outside the echo chamber every now and then.

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tacosplease 4 points 2 years ago

Sometimes there are buildings full of people saying the same thing over and over - "FIRE! FIRE!!!"

It usually happens when the building is burning, but that doesn't mean those people couldn't have formed a diverse set of opinions on what to discuss in that moment.

What an echo chamber those places are, right?

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OccamsRazer -2 points 2 years ago

Lemmy and reddit are closets in one room of one floor of one building, where they kick out anyone who won't scream "Fire!" along with them. Those are echo chambers. Anyone telling you that half of the country is fascist, is pushing an agenda and using fear to influence you. Or they have been influenced and are simply propagating the propaganda.

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