Your bank will certainly implement this
My brother in Christ, it was 2020 before my bank supported passwords longer than 8 characters. We have 30 or 40 years before we need to worry about the banks.
vaultdweler13 36 points 3 years ago
Some banks are still running windows 98 internally, admitedly so long as said system isnt connected to the internet it should be fine.
erogenouswarzone 11 points 3 years ago
Lol, not to mention Cobalt and other horrors that are lurking in Legacy systems no one has looked at in 50 years.
I'm thinking mainframe terminals, where the character has to be in the right place on the screen in order to store something in RAM.
Even worse, how many systems are still using punch cards? How often do those cards need to be replaced?
Gordon 1 point 3 years ago
You may think so but hackers have managed to access data on air gapped computers
Catweazle 2 points 3 years ago
@xavier666 @vaultdweler13, it's true, For internal use with PCs connected to the central server itself and not to the network, it is used for compatibility with corporate software, sometimes still very old Windows. This, when using it on the one hand only in a specialized way and on the other hand only locally, is more than enough. The same in factories in production for the automation of some valve or machinery with repetitive processes, a super-pc with a NASA OS is not needed.
Da_Boom 10 points 3 years ago
Have you ever rooted an android phone?
The google SafteyNet Attestation is the precursor to browser DRM. It's essentially phone DRM.
There are many banks that have apps that require you to pass at least the basic level attestation, if not the CTS profile matching that fails the moment you modify any system level resources, even the bootloader
luckily you can force disable CTS so it falls back on the basic level, for most apps at least. You will never have access to Google or Samsung pay though, as it actually knows your phone model should support CTS and will autofail if it no longer reports that it does.
Alongside that apps like Pokemon GO and Netflix also require at least basic attestation to function - demonstrating the DRM and anticheat capabilities of such a system.
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This can help you pass CTS. It worked for me. Funny thing is, I don't even remember which app I did it for. Whatever it was, I ended up not using it after all the trouble. As for my banking apps, they only care about root, so Magisk's denylist does the job.
Da_Boom 1 point 3 years ago
Nah, I'm still running a stock ROM on a pixel 3a. Looking at this guide, it looks like this tool is dead. So unless it works on android 12, I can't use it.
Enabling strict denylist actually causes my phone to break, it will randomly cause my phone to freeze up, and fail to load on phone unlock to the point I have to go into safe boot to disable my Magisk modules, only then will it boot correctly. - maybe I'm denying the wrong system apps for strict mode to work. I have still added apps to the denylist, however.
Im currently using universal Safetynet Fix to pass basic Attestation, and the only thing that fails to work is google wallets "tap to pay" feature. Which doesn't matter as my NFC reader is broken in any case.
nudnyekscentryk 3 points 3 years ago
I find it funny how the most root-resistant app I've ever encountered is McDonald's coupons app. I can trick Google Pay into working on my rooted phone, I tricked Revolut and two national banks. Heck, even my government-issued digital ID was tricky but I eventually got it working despite root and unlocked bootloader, both of which it didn't like. But McDonald's? None of the workarounds work whatsoever .
CheshireSnake 2 points 3 years ago
I'm rooted and on LOS and can use any app I need (including banking apps, paypal, and netflix - i don't use samsung/google pay). The only app i can't get to work is one stupid food delivery app. It's weird af.
JustEnoughDucks 2 points 3 years ago
Yes, US banks.
Banks in europe are much more up to date with tech.
They have APIs to sink transactions with external providers like nordigen API.
They have 2FA that is linked to your national identity card which is chipped
Nationally used apps that are universal 2FA linked to national IDs that banks, medical, and government services all tap into
Everything is contactless payment nowadays, the US just recently started contactless cards
Inter-bank transfers without external apps like venmo
There are MANY problems with EU people getting their banks to work on a rooted phone.
They will absolutely implement DRM if someone sells the bullshit to them under the illusion of "safety."
Hell, the US had handwritten "vaccine cards" for covid while European nations even had open source user spinoffs on nationally funded apps linked to national IDs to manage COVID vaccination and testing passes.
Nowyn 1 point 3 years ago
To be fair to America, I don't think there are any sane countries left. Finland had an actual neo-Nazi as minister and while it didn't last longer than Truss or even half of it, the party that is ministerial party is still there with similar ideas. They just had forethought to not write 14/88 in an old electoral ad. We are tied for first place still in the least corrupt countries and 5th in most democratic countries.
Jentu 13 points 3 years ago
Would apple just roll over on this? Or would they fight to make sure safari is also an option to freely use the internet (or at least severely limiting apples ability to do something similar) And websites that depend on ads, the number of Firefox and safari users have to be greater than the number of users who use ad-blockers. So wouldn’t it negatively affect ad income on websites if they implemented it and cut out all non-chromium browsers?
erogenouswarzone 21 points 3 years ago
I think apple would figure out some very creative ways to fuck it's customers, some more.
TimeSquirrel 176 points 3 years ago
For the millionth time, Stallman was right.
kevin 99 points 3 years ago
Yep, you send me html, my browser can interpret it any way that I want it to. If I want to ignore all of the image and script tags, I can. I don't need Chrome or even Chromium. As Stallman says, you should know what is running on your system.
baldingpudenda 42 points 3 years ago
We need to go back to html and css. Using an ad blocker and noscript literally breaks webpages. I just want to read the article! You know the content ppl actually come for
tryptaminev 23 points 3 years ago
But how is all the bloat going to get to you then? HTML with some images is equally functional and loads in a fraction of the time, because it is actually efficient. Nobody could want that could they?
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flameguy21 18 points 3 years ago
It's such a bizarre situation. Either you heavily limit Javascript and basically destroy all web apps or you embrace it and get laughably slow websites with walls of ads that beg you to log in to actually view the page. Like if you look into it, it's genuinely shocking how much software is a web browser running JS under the hood.
voidMainVoid 9 points 3 years ago
You can pop out menus with CSS.
ngdev 4 points 3 years ago
needs its capabilities restricted
This is a bad take. How are you gonna do that? Force ECMA to scrap all the functionality deemed 'bad'? Wave a magic tech wand? At the end of the day JS is a tool, and like any tool it can be abused for nefarious purposes. The issue is that advertisers abuse this tool, and the sites they pay to be shown on allow it. Not because insert scripting language exists.
bobs_monkey 5 points 3 years ago
It just occured to me that I wonder how a text browser addresses all this
baldingpudenda 4 points 3 years ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...
Just tried it on browsor 
voidMainVoid 18 points 3 years ago
That doesn't mean his strstegy and approach is good.
Who cares? Whether or not Stallman is a likeable person isn't what's important. His ideas are.
0x4E4F 6 points 3 years ago
The way he presents them and approaches certain subjects is what's offputting. He's got this black and white atitude towards the world and how things work, when in reality, everything is just a shade of gray.
voidMainVoid 5 points 3 years ago
Could you give an example?
OtakuAltair 113 points 3 years ago
Just use Firefox, Mozilla already put their stance forward as opposing this garbage
Firefox is faster than chrome anyway nowadays.
MyNameIsIgglePiggle 5 points 3 years ago
I get your sentiment, but chrome 1 was crazy fast and seemed barely functional coming from a world of toolbars for most people.
At the time people were like "I can't use this, there's only this search bar"
limecool -11 points 3 years ago
That may be true on desktop. But, unfortunately, the mobile app is way behind chromium. From being unresponsive, to outright buggy. It's not a good experince. It's been 2 years since the rewrite but it's not getting much better or even close to fixing most of its issue. Meaning, using firefox on android is a handicap on yourself.
MyNameIsIgglePiggle 3 points 3 years ago
Ditto, I barely noticed the switch.
The only inconvenience is that it doesn't prefill my credit card details, which is probably a good thing from both a security and hip pocket angle anyway
limecool 2 points 3 years ago
I have used Firefox on many smartphones since 2014. It's not an anecdotal experience of mine. It's the difference between chromium based browsers on android being more efficient compared to Firefox. Here's the github issue which was open from 2020, now moved to Bugzilla: https://github.com/...
If this did not happen it would not have been kept open for so long. Just search tab reload in closed issues you will people still complaining while the repo was accessible.
Bugzilla issue from 2 years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/...
The migrated issue from github: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/...
mayonaise_met 7 points 3 years ago
I use it because I can use it to block ads. If a page doesn't work, I'll use chrome.
I actually use Chrome on Windows. I just dislike ads more than I like Chrome.
PoopBuffet69 1 point 3 years ago
I am basically the same. I'm loving the ability to use uBlock Origin across phone and desktop and practically never see ads, but some sites just don't work for me in Firefox. Like anything where I have signed up with my Google account, or my online banking. In which case I have Chrome installed as a backup. If I could purge it completely I would, but this works for now.
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Yttra -1 points 3 years ago
Yeah, to be honest the FF Android experience just can't match Chromium.
I don't really NEED to, so I'm not switching from Firefox anytime soon, but I wish they'd at least fix recently closed tabs reappearing every time I reopen the darned thing...
SkullGamer205 -82 points 3 years ago
@nicman24 firefox is not chromium....
chocobo13z 65 points 3 years ago
Gecko, the underlying engine behind Firefox, is an entirely different code base from Chromium
dukk -13 points 3 years ago
I think he means Firefox is not Chromium-based; Chrome is a proprietary code base, no one can access it besides internal Google employees. Chromium, on the other hand, is open source, and is what browsers such as Edge, Brave and Opera are based off of. Chrome is also based off Chromium, it’s the closed source browser Google distributes. Think of Chromium as Android, and the Pixel UI as Chrome. So no, I doubt he means Firefox is Chrome.
Edit: seeing from the other comments, downvotes, and that the comment has been edited, he most likely made a typo and typed “Firefox is chromium.”
Edit 2: Mistakenly said that Chromium was what Firefox was based off of when I meant to say Brave. My bad. I’m well aware Firefox isn’t Chromium-based(I use it for that reason), I was just confused as to why this person was saying he meant Firefox was Chrome, when the comment read “firefox is not chromium”. I later realized(in the above edit) that they must have written “firefox is chromium”, before editing it to “firefox is not chromium” after realizing he messed the comment up.
Mic_Check_One_Two 5 points 3 years ago
Nope. Firefox doesn’t use Chromium at all. It’s based on Gecko, an entirely different codebase that predates chromium.
Mic_Check_One_Two 32 points 3 years ago
Firefox doesn’t use chromium. It uses Gecko, which is an entirely separate codebase.
FluffyToaster621 10 points 3 years ago
Firefox uses their own engine IIRC, that’s why more people should be using it so we can get some competition with Chromium.
Flaky 6 points 3 years ago
I think the management's recent decisions, as well as the removal/lack of power-user features for those users, have moved a lot of people away from Firefox, myself included. They really need to focus on providing really good software, not get caught up in trying to chase trends or forcing services people don't want. This WIRED article does a good job explaining the issues.
I am keeping an eye on Pulse Browser, which is an experimental fork of Firefox with uBlock Origin pre-installed and some UI customisations. They've got a sidebar with "web panels" very much like Vivaldi's Panels, and they've got vertical tabs like Edge. People also seem to be posting suggestions to their discussion page on GitHub. It's early days, but if they listen and try to implement some of the suggested features to their best ability, it could be a much better Firefox than Firefox itself.
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FluffyToaster621 3 points 3 years ago
Thank you for mentioning a *fork of a non-chromium browser with vertical tabs, genuinely something FF would benefit from.
zucky 7 points 3 years ago
Tor Browser, LibreWolf, and Arkenfox JS are the most secure and private browsers you can get and they're all based on Firefox. If they're not private enough for you, I don't know what is
IntentionallyAnon 94 points 3 years ago
DRM is stupid because it interferes with paying customers and isn’t effective. If there’s a will there’s a way
AndreyAsimow 43 points 3 years ago
I guess we have to get a subscription on top of our monthly internet bill to use the internet.
bobs_monkey 12 points 3 years ago
*loicense
BudgetBandit 53 points 3 years ago
restricted capitalism does that. regular capitalism makes monopoly.
MisterFrog 7 points 3 years ago
Does it though? Universities seem to be doing the heavily lifting innovation-wise.
BudgetBandit 5 points 3 years ago
Well yes, but universities certainly do not stop Nestlé from selling their own products so cheap that local businesses (which refused to get bought up by Nestlé) go bankrupt because they can not sell their only product with a loss.
MisterFrog 1 point 3 years ago
I was responding to the first half "restricted capitalism does that"
sevenapples 1 point 3 years ago
What's your point? Monopoly does not imply innovation.
MisterFrog 1 point 3 years ago
My point is that captialism doesn't have as big a role in innovation as many would claim.
Captialism also leads to monopoly when unchecked. I was responding to the first half.
Da_Boom 2 points 3 years ago
This ain't capitalism, this is going back to a rent based economy.
Aka: Techno Feudalism
Let me just point you to this:
bric 33 points 3 years ago
This is innovation though, an internet wide DRM would be quite an impressive technical feat. It's just not innovation built to benefit you and me, it's built to benefit Google's true customers, advertisers
WolfhoundRO 13 points 3 years ago
Yeah... They find innovative ways to milk us of our money and attention and annoy the heck out of everyone
Something_Complex 12 points 3 years ago
Oh almost like if in capitalism they didn't say that oligarchys are a problem. What we needed is to send these giants down.
That would prove difficult considering money rules, you can make people do you bidding, make them disappear and suffer little to no consequences.
So what we needed is a decent anti-monopoly, anti-oligarchy force.
Just like when the us gov dismantled AT&T into thousands of smaller different services and that created things like mobile routhers and etc.
Soo the companies like Google (for example), at this point are putting down more inovation than they are bringing into the table.
Problem is not capitalism, it's all that power centered in the same place. Almost like a dictatorship.
Something_Complex 1 point 3 years ago
Tbh as a Climat activist who grew up surrounded by deniers ...yhe... the feeling of hopeless is strong. But hey I have been seeing slow and gradual change, when things are getting bad.
At least in your scenario (at the moment) when they go down we might be able to reverse the worse consequences. Unlike climate where we probably just fucked.
jungekatz 2 points 3 years ago
Our planet has had good and bad climates , but humans have fucked it intentionally and there seems to be nor reluctance or remorse in the rich to fuck it even more , it will probably end in jeopardising human life , mostly the poor will suffer and die , but i am quite sure that planet will find ways to recover ! Once the humans are gone !
Something_Complex 1 point 3 years ago
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Shit man I would love to hear how you would stop power concentration in communism or any other form of government.....
allforthebest -3 points 3 years ago
So you want government to do this?
explodicle 1 point 3 years ago
Anarchy please
Chatotorix 76 points 3 years ago
Like, seriously, went through the last 10 years spending a good chunk of my day on Twitter and Reddit using Chrome, and suddenly I'm on Lemmy/Mastodon on Firefox.
Chatotorix 8 points 3 years ago
It feels like much much faster than Chrome, not gonna lie.
JustEnoughDucks 1 point 3 years ago
That is only because it doesn't keep all tabs loaded in RAM all of the time though.
If you open the same pages with the same installed extensions on both you will see similar RAM usage. It is only on restoring sessions or longer-term sessions that you will see a difference because FF will reload the page when it is activated again where chrome will keep it in RAM.
At least that used to be the case.
Powerpoint 13 points 3 years ago
This is my exact change. They want to shittify things I'll switch or just stop using it. I'm at my breaking point.
Chatotorix 9 points 3 years ago
Seriously... my oldest account on Reddit was 12 years old. I've been through so many changes that turned me off, but the API stuff was the last blow, and the CEO's love for Elon Musk just sealed the deal.
Nowyn 3 points 3 years ago
Add me to the list with a side of furiously searching for security and privacy of cloud storage services and figuring out which Linux I want to use. I'm shaking my head at how complacent I got with my services. I always do my due diligence when starting to use anything but I somehow forgot to keep up in the past couple of years.
Chatotorix 4 points 3 years ago
I won't lie that it's been an adjustment. Old habits die hard. Reddit is the one that I am more certainly done with. No one is on Mastodon yet so I do browse Twitter a little bit to get updates on the stuff I like, but don't interact there anymore.
forvirreth 2 points 3 years ago
I miss a lot of my niche content
pietervdvn 6 points 3 years ago
Well, best thing to counter that is to be the change you want to see. Start the community for the niche you miss the most/know the most about. Post something daily for two weeks + do a call for mods, and before you know you'll have at least some activity. I (helped) to bootstrap !openstreetmap@lemmy.ml this way, and the community has about 1 top level post per day on average now. Not a lot, but a good start.
empireOfLove 1 point 3 years ago
The "don't be evil" shtick was tongue in cheek to start either. Thry always ended up in it to make money.
WolfhoundRO 1 point 3 years ago
Now we can scream that they're truly evil
Andrew15_5 59 points 3 years ago
API changes*
ImplyingImplications 82 points 3 years ago
No no, they changed their beer. I hear they added more hops to it.
Viking_Hippie 22 points 3 years ago
Changing a beer to an IPA is actually a pretty good analogy, according to this beer lover who doesn't like overly hoppy ones..
Viking_Hippie 2 points 3 years ago
Well, to each their own, I guess 🤷
To me, it tastes like if elderberries and pine needles were able to defecate, they did so in the same bucket and then a ferret pissed in it 😛
donnachaidh 11 points 3 years ago
Nah, nah, it was the International Phonetic Alphabet. Can't have something like that on the 'murican internet.
Hamartiogonic 1 point 3 years ago
Nah, it was definitely meant to mean the Ion Probe Analysis, a technique that uses a focused beam of hydrogen ions to to probe the surface of a material to measure its elemental composition and isotopic ratios.
sociablefish 1 point 3 years ago
use a vpn. when will they make VPNs illegal? 2060? 2050? 2030? 2024? August 2023?
bobs_monkey 5 points 3 years ago
Easy there, McLovin
chetradley 4 points 3 years ago
Ok, I'm going to need to see some ID.
ramjambamalam 8 points 3 years ago
witter bought y musk
Andrew15_5 1 point 3 years ago
*Oh, yeah, it's big brain time*
icepuncher69 7 points 3 years ago
🎶Yar yar figle di fi🎶
CrowAirbrush 1 point 3 years ago
I just dusted off my pirate flag, the rising costs of everything has made it impossible for me to do the legal thing.
I'll start my journey sailing the vast sees upcoming weekend.
WolfhoundRO 5 points 3 years ago
I don't want their IPA, I want my Ruby Beer
artaxthehappyhorse 48 points 3 years ago
Ah yes, 2023. The year I wore a pirate hat and touched more grass. Soon they'll be bribing the govt to make going outside illegal.
theneverfox 9 points 3 years ago
Oh don't worry, it's poisoned and the animals are gone. Once the heat bakes off the greenery, there will be no reason at all to go out there except to get to your car
version_unsorted 6 points 3 years ago
You know what, forget the internet!
explodicle 1 point 3 years ago
You jest but I'm feeling pretty ready to switch to mesh networking. I'd rather have a libre internet than faster bandwidth.
RhetoricalOrator 71 points 3 years ago
Honestly, reddits API change was an awful thing to do but my phone usage has plummeted since then. I've been trying Lemmy but it's not been an easy 1:1 replacement and I find myself not engaging or feeling so invested in conversations and content as much.
That works in my favor, though, because I really have been spending way too much time looking at screens anyway.
PotatoesFall 11 points 3 years ago
Most corporate media tries to get you to spend too much time on their apps/sites. Getting on the fediverse felt like moving on from a toxic ex.
tryptaminev 99 points 3 years ago
They want to implement a "feature" so websites only load for you, if your browser, OS and hardware are deemed "trustworthy" aka you load every ad and malware that the website wants to shove down your throat.
HawlSera 30 points 3 years ago
Oh God... I think I'm going to be sick. It's too easy to see how you could weaponize this against dissenters.
Don't like something about our product? Have fun being banned from the internet!
bobs_monkey 32 points 3 years ago
Not even dissenters, just people in general. That's why they're likening it to DRM. Run something nonstandard on your system (ie Linux)? Get with the program. It's a continuation of "you don't own anything, use it how we want you to use it or don't use it at all."
jungekatz 6 points 3 years ago
There are times I build my own browser and OS probably in future ( basically building open souce code , sometimes removing ssignatures and enhancements) , I wonder if I will be able to use stuff then !
jungekatz 8 points 3 years ago
Firefox is my primary browser on my stable systems , I am talking of the side projects ! There is a good possibility that soon the websites will block forks of firefox and other FOSS projects !
ImOnADiet 31 points 3 years ago
? They’re just following the end game of capitalism, they’re trying to squeeze every last bit of profit out of the internet that they can, it has nothing to do with the internet “threatening” power, they already took care of that with all of the spying laws they passed when the internet started getting popular
ImOnADiet 8 points 3 years ago
interest rate hikes, VCs are demanding their money back and companies are scrambling to become profitable/more profitable.
Edit: forgot to address the other point, they don't really care about us spreading ideas as long as we don't actually threaten their power. There is absolutely 0 threat of a socialist revolution anywhere in the west right now
rodolfo 5 points 3 years ago
I don't think the "spying laws" are what makes the internet controlled. It's the constant, huge waves of misinformation and weak thought, which are enabled by those "spying laws", among others ways. Just my two cents, tho.
letsgocrazy -5 points 3 years ago
"the rulers" dude, this isn't D&D
AndreyAsimow 31 points 3 years ago
Why watch the news when you can learn everything from memes
DauntingFlamingo 9 points 3 years ago
I hadn't heard of the YouTube thing. Doesn't matter because I don't use it, but it's still outrageous.
I am willing to watch an ad or two every 15 minutes, so long as they are no more than a minute total of wasted time. This ultra-monetization crap where it's a minute and a half every 5 minutes is why people use AdBlockers and pirate media.
Be reasonable as a business, and you'll get a reasonable response. Flood my free time with ads, and you get AdBlock and piracy.
grue 7 points 3 years ago
It's called PeerTube, which is Fediverse/ActivityPub service for video.
The problem is that with video there's a larger separation between users and content creators. Services like Mastodon and Lemmy can grow just from users switching to them because users themselves also post the content, but PeerTube isn't going to grow until the people making videos start posting them there.
0x4E4F 7 points 3 years ago
You're neglecting the fact that fediverse tube instances can't possibly take the load and the volume of videos being uploaded on YT. That is why almost none of them have open registrations, only admin approved registrations (you apply, than the admin chooses whether to approve or deny your application).
spiderman 1 point 3 years ago
that's what the problem is. youtube has a wide range of users who got cozy to the platform where many of them doesn't even care about using adblockers. also, content creators got used to it. so making them shift their platform to something new is harder than making them shift from reddit to lemmy or twitter to mastadon.
HexesofVexes 27 points 3 years ago
For those interested in actively opposing this - the following blog offers some advice on how to do so.
PlantDadManGuy 6 points 3 years ago
*Okham's razor
Stalinwolf 7 points 3 years ago
*Dwight Yoakum's Razor
Kolanaki 23 points 3 years ago
I'm used to dealing with DRM, too. If it can be stripped out of a game or other software, it could be stripped out of the internet itself. Maybe some of the old cracking scenes that quit due to boredom will return for the challenge.
Trarmp 3 points 3 years ago
It’s interesting to think about from a technological point of view, and there could be multiple ingress points to combat it.
The proposal doesn’t have a complete implementation, but it in essence they want websites to ask browsers for a key if sorts (attestation). In theory this flow would be a lot like hoe notifications work. Keeping that in mind, when the website asks the browser, what’s stopping us from making our own attestation server?
IntentionallyAnon 2 points 3 years ago
Analog hole exists and will be prevalent on new internet unless they push DRM monitor https://xkcd.com/129/
raidenfox 21 points 3 years ago
tbh I'm just tired of all of this, we can't have nice things, ever... Every fucking thing in this world is being swallowed by corporate greed. Every service there's a catch, and I'm getting mad with it, things aren't made to serve their purpose, they only exist to make money and more money for people who already have infinite money, it's frustrating. Things need to change or everything is going to collapse... fuck companies, fuck billionaires, fuck stocks, fuck all of this
MrKristijan 20 points 3 years ago
Well, well, well, would you look at that? We've done full circle, haven't we? It's time to go back to the old internet again.
LiarBesidalAll 5 points 3 years ago
back to usenet i guess lmao
red_concrete 3 points 3 years ago
Time to go smol.
totallynotarobot 19 points 3 years ago
You’d think fucking with our beer would have been the apocalypse moment
PeterPoopshit 18 points 3 years ago
We are living in a real life 1984
samus12345 9 points 3 years ago
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
vikinghoarder 8 points 3 years ago
shit, this sounds terrifying
IntentionallyAnon 1 point 3 years ago
Unless things get really bad really fast and internet becomes so locked down you cant download anything that bypasses restrictions (vpn, tor, proxy)
SpeakinTelnet 17 points 3 years ago
Meta alternative to twitter (thread) was(is?) supposed to federate with the fediverse
erogenouswarzone 0 points 3 years ago
I'd like to know more.
limecool 1 point 3 years ago
Basically, it would start by federating with the fediverse and once it gains traction start adding non-standard (and perhaps proprietary) features. Others would start to get a more broken experince, until to have an uninterrupted experince with you would need be on the threads version of the fediverse.
miss_brainfart 1 point 3 years ago
They seem to do everything in their power to make the internet less attractive to me. I guess I should be thankful for that, actually. Never a bad thing to spend less time with it.
Landen1345 7 points 3 years ago
IPA changes?
RespectMyAuthoriteh 15 points 3 years ago
The ale will no longer be Indian or pale.
FluffyToaster621 5 points 3 years ago
Hold on, what about Meta and the fediverse?
Mic_Check_One_Two 42 points 3 years ago
Threads is going to be federated. But lots of instances have already said they’re going to defederate it immediately, because lots of people expect that federation is part of the EEE business plan. That’s Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Originally pioneered by Microsoft, it’s basically a way to kill off tech that you don’t want to compete with.
First embrace it, and do everything you can to be friendly towards the people using it. It’s an open standard, and you want to act inviting and supportive. Lull your competition into a false sense of cooperation.
Then extend it. Start creating proprietary additions which exist outside the standard. Do this under the guise of supporting the standard. These additions should be difficult for competitors to implement, but you maintain that this is all done to further improve the standard and bring more functionality to the end user.
Then extinguish the competition. Once you’re the de facto producer for this tech, (because users have come to expect those proprietary functions,) then lock down those proprietary changes so competitors can’t use them at all. Make the alternatives noticeably worse to use in every way, to force everyone into your (now closed standard) platform.
A good example of this is Microsoft Office. Ever notice that Word documents have historically been awful to try and open/edit in other word processors? This was because Microsoft was using EEE to make the other word processors worse. It’s also what Google does with Chrome, implementing non-standard additions then using their market share to bully competitors into joining; Every Firefox user has seen the dreaded “your browser isn’t compatible with this site. Use Chrome instead” message at least once.
promitheas 8 points 3 years ago
Lovely, detailed explanation! :)
ElvenMithril 4 points 3 years ago
Thanks for the explanation! ;)
moonmeow 1 point 3 years ago
well, i guess some silver lining is that threads is basically non-existent after its launch. The serious and place to be instances will block threads. If i need to go see something on threads i'll join an instance that allows it, but doubt i'd ever bother.
Didn't even bother checking it out.
NorthWestWind 4 points 3 years ago
I recently played Hacknet, a hacking game published in 2015. That game talks a LOT about being tracked on the Internet, telling you to delete logs and some IP address data in file headers.
I think it's becoming reality.
ArtDragon38 3 points 3 years ago
The game tells you to delete the logs on servers because computers can track all incoming requests, which can be a problem when you are doing nefarious actions and looking through confidentional infornation. Tracking who is accessing a computer/server and why has been a common practice, especially for buisnesses.
You also don't actually need to delete the logs while playing. There are only 1 or 2 minor moments where there is a consequence for not doing that, and in those cases a fork bomb is also needed (to prevent leaving a disconnect log).
The actual scary part of the game is (SPOILERS) a big tech company developing a massive 0-day exploit and wanting to monopolize the patch for it.
jvrava9 2 points 3 years ago
Dont forget the drone tracking bill, remoteID. Louis Rossemann
BeeOneTwoThree -6 points 3 years ago
This might be an unpopular and ignorant take.
Services like Reddit, Twitter and Youtube needs to make money somehow. They provide a service that the users enjoy, and it is fair that they want componsation for those services. Aslong as they are upfront with how and what you are paying with I think it is fine, and the user can themself choose not to use the service if they feel like the payment is too high.
It seems like we are whining about not being able to watch quality content for free. Even Lemmy needs donations or kind souls to keep running.
The DRM and Chrome changes might be worse... But in the end it is the same base argument, we need more competition to reduce the price or stop using services we don't like / want to pay for.
sediton 6 points 3 years ago
I wouldn't say its unpopular, but I do agree its a bit ignorant but not in the probably negative way you mean.
I think its your acceptance that its fundamental that "Business MUST profit and we MUST suffer to allow them to profit"
You're making a huge leap that we need to suffer through all of the internet getting worse just because a corporation wants to profit. Fuck Google, Fuck Reddit, fuck all businesses that fail. Who cares? We owe them nothing.
BeeOneTwoThree 1 point 3 years ago
I guess they don't have to profit, but I believe they do have to cover their expenses (salary, hosting, etc). This is needed with capatalism or any other model (yes I know they have huge profits sadly)
I do agree that the market is failing, where we have way to little competition. Or that maybe a alternative to capatilism would solve the issue.
But in every thread here I feel like most people just expect to use everything on the internet for free, which is absurd to me. Why would anyone host a service like youtube if you didnt get any income from the users? The server costs alone must be huge.
Why would people write articles if they do not get any money from it?
DessertStorms 4 points 3 years ago
Why would people write articles if they do not get any money from it?
Ever heard of Wikipedia?
Or blogs?
Weren't loads of people quitting reddit because they refused to have their free content contributions monetised?
Capitalism makes you think many things that aren't true: people only being motivated by money is one, humans being naturally selfish and greedy is another, and the notion that it is the best and only viable system. Are you starting to see a thread there?
It's all about maintaining the illusions it needs to continue to exist, but you can learn how to see beyond, and unlearn all these lies, you just have to be willing to.
BeeOneTwoThree 1 point 3 years ago
I do agree that it is possible to be motivated by other things than money, but in todays society you need income to survive.
If we had other systems to deligate money to everyone I agree that we might not need to do things for money.
I love services that are free, and driven by communities that are motivated by what they are doing. But these services also need some kind of income today. Wikipedia is dependent on donations, mosts blogs have sponsors, ads or is used to further a career.
I have no issues with this, I will glady donate to Wikipedia, and I understand why blogs might have ads or sponsors in them. But if you enjoy a service it is kinda wierd to not want to give anything back to the creator.
I understand google is fucked, but we cant just sit back and not understand why a free version of youtube will not exist. Maybe youtube should just die, but why are we complaining about a comany taking payment for a service? Fuck google, fuck facebook, but don't complain that they want payment for huge expensive services that basically could not survive without any income.
Powerpoint 4 points 3 years ago
I'm fine with paying for YouTube premium. I find good value in it and like YouTube music. Fuck Google for continuing to push this though. I'm working on degooglefing myself.
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I think a lot of people here don't understand the danger of this fully and dismiss it with "Just use Firefox, problem solved".
Unfortunately, once this becomes widely available, that is once Chrome ships it, websites will start to use it.
Maybe Amazon will just not sell to you anymore when you're browsing with Firefox?
Maybe YouTube wont serve any videos if you're using Linux?
Your bank will certainly implement this and only allow Windows 11 with Edge or some shit like that.
Once this is implemented, we will all suffer, even if we're using better alternatives right now.
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