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This seems like as good a thread as any to make my first post in as a Lemmy user. I've been on Reddit since '09, and was on slashdot back in the 90's. I really am hoping that these new, federated services take off. Onboarding still seems like the biggest hurdle.
After onboarding the interface is kind of rough to figure out. Mostly because the mobile web version isn't that great, and jerboa also isn't that great, and they're different enough that switching back and forth gets you confused. With reddit's problems, I imagine we'll see some more client apps and ui improvements show up in the next couple months with the added attention, and that'll be the end of that. Honestly, I thought it'd be rougher. I do wish I got more replies to my comments though, so i'm trying to make a point to post a bit more than I ordinarily would.
The desktop web interface seems pretty similar to old reddit/rif so I haven't had that much difficulty with browsing. The fact that I'll be losing my niche subs is the hardest part of moving entirely to Lemmy though.
Agreed. I'm quite the nerd, so i'm holding out hope some of my favorite subs will move over.
If that's really a problem, why not start the communities here yourselves? Literally nothing and no one is stopping you.
Iâm finding a lot of my favorites are appearing on the Fediverse, popping up hour by hour. Sometimes just searching by the sub name is enough to find them, let alone searching by the subject.
I don't have much to say, but here's a reply anyway! Hope it seems a little less quiet in here.
Absolutely agree. I first tried Lemmy on my phone and found it really difficult to like. As soon as I logged on from my iPad it all âjust workedâ. Hopefully some of the apps under development will solve that problem.
I am with you, part of the Reddit exodus after about a decade. First post too, and I hope this place turns out to be my next all in one stop for interesting stuff. Since its up to us, users, to make it happen I'm going to be optimistic.
Its an issue, but Its at least barebones and information dense. Feels like going back 20 years on internet design, with some new things. Its old school and a bit of whiplash even for me. Some younger users are going to have a task getting around at first.
Not that I would say change it, just an observation and barrier to entry.
I'm not a tech savvy person and I had no problem to adapt to this platform. It's very similar to Reddit and after 15 minutes playing around I also understood how everything works out. Even the federation concept is pretty easy.
Similar story, but I still poke at /. - it's still going! The most refreshing thing about using Lemmy to me is not having ads everywhere, I used a pihole and other browser extensions but you still have to deal with the inline ads mimicking user posts on reddit.
Just jumped over from Reddit and if I hadnât read the comment about sh.itjust.works I probably would have no idea how to get started with Lemmy. Hopefully with more publicity there will be a more streamlined signup process a la new mobile apps or certain servers trending when you search for it.
Didnât see some of my old communities from Reddit on here yet but I guess itâs time to make them!
Also - does anyone have any good alternatives to Youtube on the Fediverse? Is Odysee popular?
does anyone have any good alternatives to Youtube on the Fediverse?
Peertube would be the most popular. It works the same that there isn't one server/instance that hosts all the videos. A popular one is tilvids.com but there are others
I'm unique in this, but I firmly believe video creators should just make torrents, and post links to them from whatever site / forum they choose.
Torrents have already solved the big static data problem, we only need a place (like here), where people can post links.
tilvids doesn't federate for some reason, it's annoying, they have the best vids. it's like they want to force people to use their site
Hmm, that is annoying. Hopefully it's not deliberate.
I only saw a link to that peertube instance earlier and had a tricky time discovering other instances. Although, I admittedly didn't spend too long trying.
Yeah, the front page was a little intimidating and it took a little time for my to get the account confirmation email. But otherwise, this space feels and acts very similar to old.reddit and some customization (like night mode) ... which is a good thing!
Woo hoo, me too. Was there for the rise and fall of each (and Digg). Also - I think its up to us to go back and encourage users from all our niche communities to come on board to these other places. I know a lot of them won't at least not right away. But we can encourage it.
honestly, its best if you continue forgetting about it.
I was also on slashdot back in the 90s. Still am too.
I agree.
I love the idea of a decentralized network like this, but I can't help but feel like it lacks some level of transparency to how it works?
After being around here for a bit I get the idea of federation and all that, but its incredibly overwhelming when trying to create an account (Hell I still don't know if I created my Mastodon or Lemmy accounts in the right place)
I canât help but feel like it lacks some level of transparency to how it works?
I agree, which is actually kinda funny since it's open source. The documentation helps some, but it's a LOT of reading to do, and it still leaves a new user like me with questions- and I'm a software developer, with more technical knowledge than most. I have a feeling that someone without that technical background would find this VERY confusing to understand at a fundamental level.
The big question that I still have, that should be readily apparent but isn't: if I subscribe to a community that's hosted on another instance, can I still post/like/comment there? I just tested it- you can. I notice now that the guide says:
Lemmy will then fetch the community from its original instance, and allow you to interact with it.
I think they could make it a lot clearer for a casual user if they reworded the "following communities" section to name it something like "joining communities," and re-worded the first paragraph to something like this:
After logging in to your new account, its time to follow communities that you are interested in. For this you can click on the communities link at the top of the page (on mobile, you need to click the menu icon on the top right first). You will see a list of communities which can be filtered by subscribed, local or all. Local communities are those which are hosted on the same site where you are signed in, while all also contains federated communities from other instances. You can also find more communities by going to the Lemmy Community Browser. You can join communities from any instance, regardless of which instance you created your account in, and once you've joined you can like, comment, and post in those communities.
What did you find complicated about the onboarding?
Having to write a cover letter explaining why I'm a good fit for the instance.
It's not a difficult ask, but it's going to turn a vast majority of potential users away from the service.
I understand the need for it, but a typical user is going to be confused by:
Again, I understand the need for all this. But your average user, which Lemmy desperately needs more of if it wants to become the safe haven for Reddit refugees, is going to be incredibly frustrated and dissuaded by the whole process.
All I put in my "cover letter" was "reddit refugee" and I got accepted on lemmy.ml, lemmy.one and beehaw.org, 2/3 with no email verification either. I don't think that it's hard to sign up here, it might just be unfamiliar to some people, who will hopefully grasp the simple concepts quickly.
I'm pretty sure this is just a "human test" to make it harder for people to register a lot of accounts or to programmatically register them.
I'm looking forward to lemmy becoming my primary time waster đ
That's what I love about Fedi in general. The algorithms are either fully gone, or are almost entirely working in favor of the users rather than against them.
Late-stage social media is to have the platforms themselves socialized. You love to see it
This has not been my experience so far.
F5
Hell yeah, just got here and am ready boost some engagement! I already like it here, I forgot that being able to see the amount of down votes used to be a thing
*Looks like I'm the 69th comment here, what a start!
One of the things I love about Lemmy is that I'm literally over here in a different instance. I can willingly see other content but I also have this local group I can be close with. It brings me back to the old Internet with the benefits and reach of the new Internet.
Excellent point. A small community, that can easily interact with the larger community. This is what the internet always should have been.
Oooh lawdy there are servers! My time wasting will scale exponentially now đ
I would kill for a Sync for Lemmy
Mlem if you have iOS or Lemmur on Android. Thereâs many more too (just off the top of my head)
Jerboa for Android
Lemmur is actually defunct. The active android app is Jerboa. Available on the play store or F-Droid. !jerboa@lemmy.ml
Ugh. I just don't understand why Jerboa (name doesn't exactly roll of the tongue...but that's neither here nor there)...the biggest frustration (for me) is the wildly different font sizes between looking at the main page and clicking into a discussion. It's jarring and super annoying.
Just came to Lemmy with the wave from sync :p
Surprised at how similar Jerboa looked when I first opened it, but yeah~ going to try and join some communities and hopefully jump ship from reddit completely^^
It's coming. They are working on a new frontend at the moment and then the apps. For now you can install the website as a PWA using chrome or firefox. It makes kbin much better on mobile.
Agreed. I haven't had any problems using it as a PWA, though I'm still watching for an actual app!
Same. But I wish it was more straightforward. Iâm not convinced the average/occasional user will transition to decentralized platforms if itâs a pain to do so.
sign up on my instance was very easy! https://sh.itjust.works
Lemmy is easier to get set up for us folks who arenât as technical as we used to be. The biggest hurdle for me is for social networks like Twitter or IG where I know people irl who wonât be moving to mastodon probably ever. On Reddit I never made a single friend during the almost 15 years I had an active account.
Agreed. Those are the ones Iâll miss.
Beehaw was super easy. It was literally just your typical sign up process for any website. For me the biggest hurdle initially was just understanding how all of this works, and how they all fit together.
That might be for the better. The more people that get on these things tends to lower the bar and open these communities up to more bad actors.
I'm not sure about that. I would expect motivated bad actors to be determined to overcome technical obstacles. It's normal, casual people who'll give up and leave.
Ya the motivated ones will, but the low effort ones won't which I think will significantly cut down on the overall shittiness.
I apologize in advance as I'm one of the many reddit refugees seeking alternatives. I can't believe how fast reddit is unraveling and you'd think with u/spez's recent AMA he would try to placate the community instead of inciting the situation even further. Anyway, Lemmy's pretty cool so far.
Don't apologize. All refugees are welcome here. Although... there is one small thing you could do to help. Maybe make an account on a less crowded instance? Too many people see "dev-run" and think "main instance". We do need to spread out a bit to make this sustainable.
You just add another account under the arrow on the top left side. Then you can switch between the accounts on different instances if you like. But I prefer having one account only on a small instance.
Sorry to use you as tech support, but in what app? I tried jerboa and couldn't log in at all.
Glad to have you! Tell the apollo dev we'd be happy to have them make an app for Lemmy!
I created our android app, jerboa, and there's also an open source one in development for iOS called mlem
Another round of thanks for your work on jerboa!
I see your commit history goes back to Jan 2022, if you had to rewrite what would you want to do differently?
(I don't have any specific plans here, but I'm completely new to this space and interested in anything you've learned the hard way.)
e: hold on you're the og lemmy dev, you ain't got time for this. I thought it was just the app, whoops, ignore me pls
I don't think I would change anything... Learning jetpack compose, and signal-based reactivity, has been teaching me how to be a better UI designer, and I've been applying its principles to the other apps I develop. Its very opinionated, for performance reasons, whereas a lot of front end frameworks like react can let you do things in 1000 different ways.
I'd been wanting someone else to build a native android app for lemmy for a while by then, but when it became clear no one else was going to, I scraped out time from other lemmy work for a month to build it.
No probs!
Also using Jerboa right now. Such a fantastic effort. I am a programmer myself, so I know the effort that goes into it!
Awesome, I'm dropping that google play store link nonstop over the last day or so. Good luck to you in the coming days!
Your app is going to explode!
Oh shit, you're how I'm even here right now this easily! Props man.
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Thanks for Jerboa! It's way faster than https://lemmy.ml for me
check out my sidebar over on !ps5@lemmy.ml . I have other helpful links that aren't ps5 related to help you find communities, navigate instances, and otherwise have a good time over here!
Omg there's even a downvote counter!
Someone actually downvoted you to "test" that. The reddit mentality is already starting. Lol
Actually, that raises a point - do upvotes and downvotes here affect post visibility? Much as Reddit has a lot of karma-whoring, it was still useful that a lot of the best content was surfaced on the front page. Is Lemmy the same, or does it just put the newest stuff up top?
Haha I saw that and loved it!
Bleeding edge is bound to cut you a little
This has the same feeling as digg v4 apocalypse that originally brought me to Reddit many moons ago. Now, here we are again... the lemmyverse. I hope this can grow to be a true evolutionary replacement for Reddit.
Absolutely, this definitely feels similar to the Digg exodus. I had created a Reddit account a few months before the Digg incident and it feels like history is about to repeat itself. Reddit did NOT learn from the mistakes of Digg, instead they seem to see it as a playbook they're dying to replicate. Good riddance then.
We still need a good mobile app for Lemmy. I tried using the Jebora one, and its scrolling speed is abysmal.
Silver lining, I am looking forward to all the new things getting developed for lemmy and the like when they can't make things for Reddit anymore. Their loss is our gain.
It's going to be tough for some communities. Some of the Lemmy devs are literally avowed Communists and that is bound to cause friction.
Interesting. I'm using Jerboa right now and while I have a few complaints, scrolling speed isn't one of them. I wonder if it's a phone specific issue.
I am having the same issue (Pixel 6) but a propose fix is underway.
Same here, scrolling is fine for me (Pixel 6 Pro in case it matters).
Dark Reader made Firefox on Android so unbelievably slow for me that I disabled it out of frustration, and have just been blinding myself rather than waiting 10+ seconds for Firefox to load sites that Chrome loaded near instantly.
It's more about how there doesn't seem to be any scrolling inertia like I'm use to with other apps. When I scroll real fast, it should continue scrolling for a few seconds instead of immediately stopping.
RedReader is a fantastic app. I hope the dev works it out.
I'm using jerboa right now, agreeded. It's not the worst experience but there's definitely improvements to be made.
There's a real opportunity in transitioning existing reddit clients to access Lemmy instead. Keep the user base, change the platform.
I've had little to complain about with using the Firefox android app to browse Lemmy instances.
I would like to start using Jerboa, I haven't noticed any performance issues but I find I like the browser UI a bit better.
I know Jerboa is in heavy development right now. My god do I feel bad for the dev, Dessalines, with the huge influx of users. But I'm sure I'll switch to using the app more as the updates role out.
I use the website for mobile, and it works really well
The sub with all the waifu plane girls?
Brace yourselves. Porn is coming.
Would Lemmy.ml defederate from instances like that?
Excellent point. Ass fetishist server. Check. Thick fetishist server. Check. I like

Forget waves then. Reddit gonna slip into the sea like Atlantis
That would be the point of no return for me. Never in a million years will I use the new design. Already deleted all of my content.
Well kbin.social and beehaw.org have both gotten the hug of death over the last 25 minutes so that's fun haha. Might have to hop over to a smaller instance to spread the load out
Yeah, like I'm on sh.itjust.works and subscribed to this community, so when people make posts on !memes@lemmy.ml those get synced and cached on sh.itjust.works, so whenever people on this server scroll through memes it puts load on sh.itjust.works instead of on lemmy.ml.
That's the impression I got from the devs and admins here, but I'm not certain my impressions are correct or what kind of impact external users posting to beehaw communities impacts beehaw's instance
Our current coding work should help, but ya it's not been an easy time for us server admins, when reddit fucks up so bad that half the site tries to join the fediverse.
Once, Apollo shuts down, this site will get hit hard. I look forward to it and want to make as many posts as I can to increase the level of activity.
Many other apps also shut down on the same day. For example:
RiF: https://redd.it/144gmfq
ReddPlanet: https://redd.it/144glbz
Sync: https://redd.it/144jp3w
Also loved relay! On iOS now so need someone to get an iOS Lenny client out soonâŚ
I imagine they are all going to shutdown on that date.
Yay for signing up before the masses.
I can still hear the UH OH!
Funnily I remember joining both Digg and Lemmy shortly before Digg's implosion. It's really bittersweet cause there's so many smaller subreddits like r/SS13 and multitudes of show subreddits that collect fans to chat with that I wish I could take with to the fediverse reddit-likes.
Lemmy doesn't have adult content tho
Lemmy.ml doesnt. But any instance can host it if they want to.
There's an 'anal' community, but there seems to be no content đ .
Thatâs just for difficult people
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The problem is no one wants the liability of potentially illegal porn being hosted on their server, so instances are banning it. Which, who can blame them? I do enjoy the NSFW freedom though, and I hope a better solutions is found
It's only matter of time when we'll get hentai oriented instance.
Can this matter of time hurry up?
Well, if you would create it - it would be created faster.
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There is that trope about how porn tends to dictate technological advancement. Probably will have some sway in this whole debacle. That said, not being as big as reddit is kind of nice. The best online communities are always smaller.
Bandwidth is the issue, and server space. I wonder, can Lemmy servers be setup where say, someone runs an ass appreciation server. That server, when people post, sends the image to redgifs?
Then the server space issue is mute and porn, or even erotic art, etc can thrive
I think this is where tildes.net is being smart with text only, saves massive on server costs and also is safer to run for the owners with less moderation needed due to no chance of any illegal porn being uploaded
So make some
That's why I'm here!
Is there porn on Lemmy? Iâm not asking for scientific purposes or for a friend.
All of the main servers I've seen have a no porn rule. I suppose it's only a matter of time until someone's willing to stand up their own Lemmy porn server and take on the responsibility of moderating that.
I suggested to PornHub that they should host their own lemmy instance for porn. It's stuck in limbo though awaiting mod approval.
Edit: I'm curious, I see I've gotten two downvotes, can someone who downvoted provide a reason why? Just anti-porn sentiment? Do you not want porn on lemmy? Don't like the company PornHub? Think it's a stupid idea for some reason? I'm serious, I'd like to know why you seem to disagree with the suggestion that PornHub should host a lemmy instance explicitly to post porn on. It's entirely possible I'm missing something here.
That is actually great idea, some organization hosting lemmy instance concerning their work.
Like Debian hosting free software lemmy communities, some marketing agency hosting design and creative communities. That way instances can ve snallee and manageable.
Of course it needs to get a bit more obvious how to use different instances.
Yeah that'd be smart on their part. They're already paying for the server space and the moderation team.
This is an excellent question that I've also had. I think (don't quote me on this) that it's hosted on whatever instance the community is based out of.
My understanding is that you've got essentially 3 different groups of things in lemmy. Users, communities, and posts/comments. Users are authenticated based on their home instance. Communities are stored on their home instance. Comments are stored in their associated community. When you post to a community on another instance, your post is transmitted to the other instance where it's stored. The reason (generally) that porn is banned on most lemmy instances is because the maintainer of that instance doesn't want the headache of having to moderate that content which is stored on their server. In the case of a federated instance though while the content might be cached on the server it isn't technically stored there so I don't think it runs into the same problems.
Now, what I don't know about, and someone who knows more about how the federation works hopefully does, is if the owner of an instance would ban federation with an instance hosting porn. Technically I think the owner of an instance can ban federation with any other instance, but I'm not sure they would go that far. I think it might depend on how good a job the other instance does of moderating their content. E.G. if as I suggested PornHub ran their own instance I don't think most instances would be opposed to federating with it because presumably PornHub already does a good job of policing NSFW content they host. On the other hand if you found some sketchy instance that was hosting lets call it legally dubious content, the instance owner might just ban federation with that instance, in which case I think it's communities would become inaccessible to you from your home instance. Of course you could make an account on that other instance and just sign in there, but that's kind of a PITA.
If your an expert on any of this and see somewhere I've got this wrong please correct me.
Utahns are quaking rn
Cough https://reddthat.com/c/nsfw Cough
When the main servers get hit hard (such as lemmy.ml), will users and/or communities using other servers be less impacted by the wave? Or will the wave hitting the popular servers be a problem for everyone?
Will federation save us to some extent?
I think if people can get past how itâs a bit complicated they can pretty easily just pick a random smaller server to sign up to. Iâve been on Reddit recommending sh.itjust.works because it doesnât ask for an essay or some shit, just a username and password, as god intended
I'm opening up my server to about 100 users. My server seemed a bit overkill for one account so I figured may as well help a little. We'll see what usage looks like and maybe I can add more people without it starting to get expensive.
That's why I'm capping it at 100. That might be permanent. I don't need a huge community. I don't need growth. Federation provides more than enough content.
Plus considering probably 8/10 users will only login once or twice, realistically I'm looking at 1-2 dozen actual users. I can work from there and see what I can handle.
I've been explaining it as countries/international travel. Lemmy is a country, Mastodon is a country, you can travel freely between them but you need a passport. Each service has it's own government whose rules you have to abide. Lemmy instances are like states (or provinces or what have you), where you can just... freely travel between them. Each instance has it's own local government whose rules you have to abide. Communities are like cities/towns, with their own small local government whose rules you have to abide... etc, etc.
So this is what I don't get - do i need an acct in every instance or a single one will suffice? Can I view and participate in all communities in the other instances that I don't have accts in? Is there an advantage to having an acct on one instance over another or it doesn't matter at all?
I think a lot of other first-timers are confused about this as well.
You only need one account. Each instance does have the ability to block other instances, meaning if you want to see the whole WHOLE Lemmy federation you'd have to get multiple accounts and switch between them, but honestly right now 95% of everything is on lemmy.ml and Beehaw.org
I'm on Midwest.social
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thanks for taking in a poor refuge like me
already nuked everything on my account, once 1st comes around gonna delete it
Gotta get in early and snatch up one of those good names like...CosmicSploogeDrizzle
It's the best name in the whole Milky Way Galaxy
Fingers crossedđ¤
Fedi/Lemmy, etc....are going to see a historic deluge.
Good luck and thank you for busting balls to help put reddit out of business and into the trash heap.
Is there an API for Lemmy? Can Apollo potential move to this as a source instead?
Yes. The docs aren't what I wish they were, but it's here https://join-lemmy.org/..., and there already are client libraries for multiple languages
Thank you!
Yeah I'm part of the problem too, I use a 3rd party app and I'm bailing out of reddit when it dies.
But hopefully things on this and other servers will stabilize over the next few weeks.
I'm hoping there are enough active 'tent pole' type instances that can keep the interest in Lemmy going through the inevitable scaling catastrophe the blackout will bring.
Things are about to get spicy
To anyone here coming from Apollo/Sync/Reddit or some other 3rd party app. I am the mod over on !ps5@lemmy.ml . Feel free to stop by and check it out! I have other useful links in the sidebar to help anyone find other communities and generally navigate the fediverse. I've been here for just a few days, but I have learned a lot and these links might help jump start your lemmy experience!
It begins
So far I'm looking forward to surfing this wave. Sad to see Reddit burn, but at least there are alternatives.
God, that's disgusting. Naked picks online? Where...where did he post those?
Yeah. Whatâs the name? So I can avoid it?
lemmynsfw I believe itâs called
Loving it here so far! Day one from reddit and this was the very first post I see XD
https://github.com/buresdv/Mlem
It's iOS only. If you're looking for Android, search the playstore or F-Droid for Jerboa
So, is this lemmy? I just signed up for kbin wasnât sure if this is lemmy and I can use this to reach other instances. Also an Apollo refugee.
Yep, you've made it to Lemmy. The lemmy.ml server, specifically.
I'm new here too, but this is my understanding of kbin: Lemmy is like the fediverse reddit. Mastodon is like the fediverse twitter. There's a fediverse facebook alternative (can't remember the name). Image hosts, video hosts etc.
kbin talks them all and can be your central hub. Imagine facebook, reddit and twitter etc all merged their websites. But you have a single fediverse identity.
WUPHF.com!!!
What's the difference between Lemmy and Kbin in terms of user experience and features?
Yeah, as others have mentioned, kbin â Lemmy, but because of the magic of the fediverse, they talk to each other. But I like kbin better since it also interoperates with Mastodon, Calckey, etc as well. Easier than Lemmy at any rate.
Hey, I'm the !ps5@lemmy.ml mod. Come check out the sidebar, I have links to other resources that might help you find and navigate lemmy/the fediverse

kbin really got hugged to death
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I'm only dropping in but this instance certainly seems to be feeling the increased traffic. What kind of resources would one need to run an instance that can handle a high load?
I would consider posting this question to the asklemmy or lemmy_support communities
It's also killing the reminder bit as well
I never really got any.
Judging from my experience trying to sign up for a Lemmy instance for the past 2 days, it's going to be hard. Unless I was doing something wrong, I can see a lot of people having difficulty signing up and eventually giving up. kbin was much easier to sign up for.
Yeah, I tried Mastodon when that first became more known. Even as a pretty literate techie (I've developed programs professionally at a fortune 500), I couldn't figure it out. Went to kbin today after reading the news about apollo and it was just like signing up anywhere else.
Lemmy may currently have larger spread by word of mouth, but if anything is going to hit mainstream it will be kbin in its current state.
Yeah, I've been a software engineer for years and I too had to have a sit down to 'figure it all out' with mastodon. Though Lemmy seems far more my style, so hopefully this gets some power behind it.
The largest and most popular 3rd party reddit app
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