Remember: You can take lives to protect property, you cannot damage property to protect lives.

Ah, so that's why they try to reestablish slavery. Make people property again to protect them. Got it!

Property is more valuable than human life everywhere in the world. For example, two million children die from hunger each year. 7$ will protect a child from malaria for a season. I could save so many lives by selling everything I own and donating it to charity, and yet I don't. And neither do you, or most of the rest of the world.

Life has value. Each of us estimates our own life to be invaluable, but the life of those farther and farther away has less and less value for us. Not because it's not actually worth less, but because we're tribal beings. We care about ourselves first, then our tribe, then if we have any extra resources we might care about other tribes too.

But yeah, what I'm saying is I'd let the entirety of lemmy die for a crisp 1$ note and I'd lose no sleep about it, y'all were born in the wrong tribe.

It's strange because we also have an extreme culture of litigation, and so much as an unwelcome or aggressive touch (without injury) could technically support a civil lawsuit or criminal charges for assault/battery.

The difference is that we apply justice differently depending on your political belief, so the acceptable violence is usually one-directional. Any violence by left protestors will be treated akin to terrorism. If you're a right wing crazy harassing people protesting for a left cause, police will look the other way and you may not even be convicted for murder (e.g., Rittenhouse). Worse, the police are usually the ones being irrationally violent - like the George Floyd protests in which nonviolent civil protest was suppressed with military-level equipment, tactics and violence.

It’s because we have a lot of repressed rage because we know deep down we really are one of the shittiest countries, despite what all the cousin-humping country singers keep caterwauling about.

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

I remember visiting another country as an American high-school student. We were shocked and overjoyed that BOOBIES could be shown on network television. It's insane some of the violence that's totally fine to show, but definitely not a woman's nipple!

"Jay" is an old English slur. "Jaywalking" refers to walking on a public street illegally. For highways, it makes sense that you're not supposed to walk there. But in America this "jaywalking" can even apply to city streets.

If you're not in America, then it might just sound ridiculous. That's because it is

There are jaywalking laws where you can be stopped for crossing against the light, against the right of way in general, etc. Not sure what the slur is. I think Jay used to be a mild insult?

I saw a cartoon on here once with an out-of-towner complaining about all the horse-carriages in this "Jay town" but I can't find it.

What would your mom think?

there wasn't anywhere else they could have stopped

so there wasn't a road?

I'd downvote you for being smug but man, if whatever shithole you live in doesn't even have bike lanes your day-to-day has got to be miserable enough already.

No movement ever accomplished anything by being convenient and quiet

Fun fact, that event is easily searchable.

Either your memory of the event is falling, or you're lying.

It was a racial justice protest.

Nobody died. One man with life threatening injuries went to a different hospital and no further news was reported on that.

Nobody was charged with manslaughter, the most serious charge was disorderly conduct.

Everything you said about the protesters can almost certainly be said about the important things to protest over. People die from our shitty system every day. Denied healthcare claims take hundreds of lives a year. Genocides speak for themselves. You just don't care because those things don't personally effect you at the moment.

Your anger is directed at the wrong target.

That's what a disruptive protest looks like though. If workers go on a general strike, do you honestly think that won't cause some people to die from losing access to vital services? Every protest or action that secured the rights you have today resulted in some innocent bystanders dying. Hell, think about how many innocent people had their lives disrupted due to the Civil War. When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus, do you think that didn't cause disruption to normal bus operations that day?

In truth, I think you just want protests that are easy to ignore. You seem the kind of moderate MLK said was the greatest threat to progress. You're not openly opposed to progress, but you don't want change to cause any kind of disruption that might conceivably hurt or inconvenience someone. And unfortunately, we live in a society where everything is connected to everything. You can't disrupt it without putting life and limb on the line somewhere.

So, I challenge you this. You said you don't mind disruptive protest, but just not like blocking the roads like that. Can you give a few examples of disruptive protests you would approve of?

"I see your point, but... downvotes" -Lemmy

They're a more marketable demographic.

that's the entire conservative thought process. always protect things over people. kill a homeless person? you're a hero. use counterfeit 20 dollar bill? get strangled to death. rape? be our president. trespassing? get shot to death.

Condoning violence against things while condemning violence against people is really not such a big contradiction, especially when said thing is used to hurt people.

That's opposite to what happened. They condemned violence against property, and condoned violence against a person

Police violence is a okay. Rioting and causing property damage that’s bad.

VPN, new account.

Admins can and they are just as stupid as mods.

But if the defense was "I panicked and hit the gas when people surrounded me" this is something that would poke quite a few holes in that argument.

It's a vortex of constantly eating itself

You have been permabanned on /r/MagicTheGathering

that term is generally used and perceived as a pejorative, not quite a slur, but close. you have a lot of other slurs on your profile so i don’t have much sympathy.

There are a few good subs, typically the same ones that didn't protest the API changes and just kept on like they have been keeping on

Oof, I scrolled for a good 10 minutes. I couldn't find the comment, probably deleted.

A crazy mix of "politics" in there. The sheer amount of people who have no problem telling the world they have no problem running over people simply because they don't want to slow down in the street is concerning.

https://old.reddit.com/...

Someone provided a link 6 minutes before you replied.

Yeah, the text is too straight, it should curve with the window.

Yeah. I get the point.

My point is that it’s fake and made up to incite strong emotions.

You’re being trolled. Effectively. This is straight up ragebait. This should be thrown in the trash and mocked for what it is.

Doesn't make it real. You can render whatever example you want for custom stickers just like a meme. It’s mashing the “easy” button in lieu of a photoshop. Someone made this as ragebait, and it should be treated as such. By your measure I could say I might print a meme as a sticker and now it’s “real” even if I don’t print it.

Appropriate. Seems to be effective.

So your argument is that it’s real because it was posted to reddit and you don’t care if it was a photoshop?

Driving trucks through crowds is the new 9/11. That's what they're saying.

Hijacking an airplane is a lot harder now, but any jackass with a credit card can rent a yank-tank and drive it into a pedestrian rich environment. That's a much larger attack surface, and we can't reasonably defend from it without oppressive surveillance and other personal freedom restrictions.

They’re dunking on the mod for saying smashing a window = violence

Reddit and mostly all "social" media only care about engagement. Psychologists have found out that negative information has a significantly higher chance of user engagement to respond (comment, share) than positive information

It's why ragebait is so effective and why it's everywhere (even Lemmy and BlueSky,)

every protest I've seen on highways or streets smashed ambulances and cop cars trying to get through.

does that mean every protest is like that? no. does that mean we can't all work together to ensure to protection of human life? no.

protests are supposed to be disruptive but don't damage your message out of spite for society. target buildings or locations that speak to the movement. have a problem with the cops? surround every police station. have a problem with the city? block access to cityhall.

protests are meant to actually mean something, a defined message to the establishment that's clear and easy for others to get behind.

everything else is just a riot.

that's great, wish they did that in the US.

Ok moron

Disruptive?

I know the point of the protest, but protesting doesn't entail endangering other people's lives and/or property.

People still have a right to defend themselves and/or property.

Standing in the road when you have a permit to do so? Sure. Standing on the highway where it's illegal? That's stupid. I've seen clips of "protestors" pulling people out of their cars and beating them down.

There's a point to where these so-called protests have lost their effectiveness. People will look past the point after you burn so many cop cars or buildings, vandalizing cars or monuments, etc.

Say what you want. But there's a line that shouldn't be crossed, and it's crossed often.

If you're doing something illegal while protesting, your point fades away when you get arrested.

I'd like to protest my union's (NALC) shitty contract, but we have a no strike clause. So we can't "protest" by standing in the middle of the road to "disrupt" traffic.

We simply vote "no" and make them try again.

There's a difference between "disruptive" and "effective".

Way to miss the point there buddy. Don't interfere with regular civilians is the point. Absolutely, disrupt businesses if that's the point of your protest. Look at the BLM protests as an example. They blocked out large swathes of roads so that no one would be able to enter. They didn't disturb those who were already driving.

Also, no one says the protest has to be small. Press exists for a reason.

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