Trump suggests Palestinians leave Gaza and ‘we just clean out’ territory
2 years ago by geneva_convenience to c/world
Donald Trump has suggested large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip, after ordering the US military to restart shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel.
The US president said he wanted Gaza residents to move to neighbouring nations, and that they could be displaced “temporarily or could be long-term”, after a phone call with Jordan’s King Abdullah on Saturday.
“I said to him: I’d love you to take on more because I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now and it’s a mess, it’s a real mess. I’d like him to take people,” Trump said, when asked about the call.
He also suggested Egypt as a destination for Gaza residents, and said he would raise the issue with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi on Sunday.
The plan was always their. They would get away with it even if it was biden or harris would won
Maybe the fact that the Biden administration withheld 2000 lbs bombs from Israel and Biden repeatedly cussed Netanyahu out over the phone? Maybe because the genociders backed the Trump presidency fiercely?
Btw those held weapons shipments were happily continued by Trump earlier.
I mean the real question is, yes, genocide doesn't stop either way. But which option lends itself to less oppression of minorities in the US itself? I mean if both sides genocide, but one genocidal side doesn't want to fuck over trans people, but wouldn't you choose the side that doesn't fuck over trans people?
Is there a difference?
The dem leadership knew the whole time exactly how to win the election but werent willing to pay the price in thwarting AIPAC to secure that win. All they had to do was recognize the genocide a few days before the election and follow existing laws on it, and acknowledge that many Americans are struggling. They chose to roll the dice instead.
I pointed this out to a dem apologist on bluesky and their response was that ending the genocide on its own wouldn't have won the election.
Motherfucker, what?! Quite apart from the fact that ending a genocide shouldn't be evaluated on how likely it is to win an election, it is the right thing to do and it would have helped.
But the dems decided that continuing the genocide was more important than improving their chances of beating Trump. Assuming they believe what we were told that Trump would be worse at the genocide, that means the dems decided to continue the genocide and also risk worse genocide. So they just chose genocide.
And now people are still trying to get up on their high horses about this shit.
Why have to bother yourself with harm reduction when you can choose to do nothing and passively allow things to get worse? That would be asking too much.
Maybe geopolitics is more complicated than the anti-Kamala protest voters have been lead to believe...
Who did you vote for who wasn't justifying a genocide?
Edit: Worth noting, 17 downvotes at this time, yet not a single reply with a candidate who wasn't "justifying a genocide".
A lot of people here on lemmy believe fiercely that both sides were equally bad about it, and it is exactly that sentiment that led to 6.6 Million former DNC voters staying home while a fascist took power.
In the swing states the economy did actually poll higher among people who stayed home. Gaza polled highest nationwide but ultimately would not matter until Michigan. She lost because she let corporate advisors run 140+ different messages instead of focusing on the few issues that people cared about.
I haven't seen polls specifically for people who stayed home, but anybody who voted Trump over the economy is just really really dumb.
Like what? Negotiating peace while keeping Israel as a strong militaristic ally in the middle east is the only option for the DNC. If I were running the show I would depose Netanyahu and reorganize Israel military, but if I ran for US president on that platform I'd get fuck all for votes just like Bernie Sanders did in the primaries.
Yeah, no what led to 13 million (not 6 million) former DNC voters staying home was:
- Being lied to & gaslit about Biden's condition.
- Kamala hiding from interviews where she might get asked tough questions.
- Kamala sending out Mark Cuban to tell everyone how much she loved big corporations.
- Kamala claiming she couldn't think of anything she'd do different than Biden, other than having a Republican in her cabinet... while parading around with Liz Cheney & praising Dick Cheney.
- Spending 2 billion on her campaign, giving a lot of it to right-wing networks for advertising despite them overwhelmingly supporting Trump & to people like Oprah & Al Sharpton to pretend that they were giving fair interviews.
- Attacking other progressive candidates, like when she endorsed & paid for the ads to go after Jill Stein.
2020 total votes for Biden 81,283,501
2024 total votes for Harris 75,017,613
So I was actually over, the real difference was 6.27 Million.
What pisses me off is even if they WERE equally bad about it, trump is clearly worse on a dozen other extremely important issues. So why throw away all of that for a single issue? If “genocide” is the thing, what about caring about Ukrainians? Central and South Americans and LGBT in the US? Poor, disabled people and veterans? Wildlife? Children who live near industry? Why throw all those people under the bus while getting someone who is the same or worse about Palestine? It makes no sense.
Genocide is the worst situation
Very obviously a false dichotomy.
Do you think Palestinians wanted Trump to win?
A lame deflection.
Trump is worse for saying the quiet part out loud, but the actions by all administrations since the establishment of israel show that this plan by israel is being followed regardless of what the president says out loud.
I don't think that matters. Israeli officials themselves have said their plans out loud. It's already well known that they're going for a full ethnic cleansing which includes genocide and mass relocation because they want all of Palestine and more (which they refer to as "Greater Israel"). There have been some actions taken, including by the ICC (which Biden wrote off as "outrageous") and all those student protests which were forcibly silenced. Ultimately we need someone with power to do something. Trump certainly won't do anything to stop it, in fact he openly encourages it. Sadly democrats won't do anything either, even if they're more silent on the subject or let a small handful of democrats speak out a bit (but not too much, or they get censured).
The US is the biggest power behind Israel and no one dares stand up to the US. If both of the biggest parties (and only ones that will ever get any power) agree to not do anything to stop it, then it will just continue getting worse and worse.
They can still argue that situation is better now but it depends upon a very specific meaning of “better” that doesn’t consider the Palestinian people’s welfare at all.
Saying, "I told you so" has zero effect. This people didn't reason themselves into their positions and will refuse any reason that would cause them to change their minds.
It was clear months ago these were smart people. Their utter lack of doubt continues to be the reddest of flags.
Good point; The message may be undercut by the grammar. Effect is a noun/adjective. Affect is a verb/adverb.
Disregard if you were actually trying to state that the concept of the number zero goes out and affects people in some unspecified way whenever that statement is spoken.
How would Kamala have been better for Palestine?
This is the 7th time you've commented this extremely low effort comment making ZERO points at all.
You're a real piece of shit. You genocided palestine. You bastard.
Biden and netanyahu genocided palestine. That is my point. How is this worse than that. You know I'm right so you don't even have an argument.
Why didn't you have an issue with it at any point in the past 15 months?
I did. I still do. What’s your point?
You sure? It sure seems like your first thought here is "how can I rub this in the faces of those i feel like blaming for this" judging by your comment. You seem to want to retroactively remove Biden and Harris' culpability in bringing us to this point.
He did not secure a ceasefire.
Note that the ceasefire is literally identical to the one the US Department of State proposed the better part of a year ago. The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more. This falls in the same category as Nixon when when he pulled a very similar ploy with Vietnam.
He did not secure a ceasefire.
The ceasefire was enacted now, and not before, for reasons of political timing, nothing more.
Wait...so, who's responsible for the ceasefire? If it was Biden, why did he choose to do it after Trump got elected? What kind of "political timing" is that?
I feel like you’re intentionally misunderstanding and missing the point of what I’m saying
If it was enacted now because of Trump, then he is the reason it passed.
Ergo he secured it.
He may be a piece of shit with nothing material to add, but his endorsement did move this ceasefire forwards.
Also the same category as Reagan's election and the embassy hostages + Iran contra affair. It's part of the standard republican playbook now.
Hur dur genius nostradamus here.
Nobody who watched genocide joe support genocide for over a year had any hope for 2025 and beyond.
At least the Palestinians are safe and Israel is paying reparations to rebuild gaza..
OH WAIT THATS COMPLETELY UNTRUE AND YOU AIDED A GENOCIDE. CONGRATULATIONS, LIB.
Few people argued for Trump being better. Biden bombed Gaza to rubble. Trump comes in and does the paperwork. Biden is not absolved.
In no way shape or form am I defending Biden here. His position was indefensible.
I must have imagined those American bombs dropped by American made planes being sent by Biden.
He asked Netanyahu nicely to not carpet bomb Gaza with them. That absolves him of it all.
When I was younger I played Skyrim, it seemed very unrealistic that NPCs though the wind shot them with an arrow, but seeing you I think they had quite good AI actually
Do you believe what was happening up until now was not genocide? Because if you don’t then calling this an actual genocide makes it seem like you do.
Implying it wasn't already one?
Hey you're cool with the current regime and like genocide! What's it like being a genocide apologist?
Edit: Taking potshots at people who I agree with and don't deserve it is bad form.
In what way is saying it was already ethic cleansing and a genocide makes me a genocide apologist???
She campaigned on being exactly like Biden, how would they have a chance?
Here are my thoughts:
- Israel has been committing genocide in Gaza since day 1, they just pick up the pace sometimes
- Every US president this century has enabled this
- Biden and Harris were all on board with the current round of fast genocide and they should be remembered for it
- Trump pretends to be anti-war but emboldened this shit by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem in 2018 or 19
- Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, as evidenced by meeting him during the campaign last year
- Any ceasefire supposedly happening right now is entirely to give Trump good press. He's going to give Israel even more support for their imperialist bullshit than Biden did and Harris would have
- Because Trump won, the federal government is going after immigrants, nonwhite people, LGBT people, etc, and is going to further tear the good parts of the government down
I'm pretty disillusioned with the Democrats between the imperialism and almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover, but I wouldn't be looking to get out of the country if Harris had won, so thanks for that if you could have voted and didn't.
edit: I voted Uncommitted in the primary, helped out at my local Gaza camp, and have gone to rallies and distributed books about Palestine, so I'm not just sitting here at my computer saying all this
Exactly. Why can’t people vote for the lesser evil in the short term and push for change after the election too. There was no scenario where the protest vote didn’t give us a far worse option. As bad as Biden was on Gaza, he capitulated more than Trump ever will. Plus, one issue voting is just an insane mindset in a winner take all electoral system like America.
I saw a take a few months ago that voting third party isn't voting your conscience, voting your conscience is going against what you really want to do, to do what will actually result in the least harm happening. Our system of government is absolute trash but until it changes (and we should all be pushing for it to change) this is what we've got.
Why can’t people vote for the lesser evil in the short term and push for change after the election too.
They did that in 2020 and the lesser evil told them to go fuck themselves, policy-wise.
Honestly. And I mean honestly.
Why is America so be bed with Israel? Is it just purely a tactical location or is there way more underhand shit we can't talk about because if you call someone out for doing something they shouldn't and they are Jewish then you're a Nazi?
People must be getting bribes and threats and more people in the government must care about Israel than the number of people that care about Palestinian.
Surely people don't care that much about that patch of sand.
AIPAC Lobby money. America is very corrupt.
Are you asking why they are in bed with Israel? It's our window into directly destabilizing the middle east.
Does that mean in 20 years or so when solar is king and wind is a strong second and the middle east is in obscurity america will stop caring about Israel, you think?
I think they will care less. But I don't know how much less.
Not sure. It would take glassing a hostile country or even making democracy happen in those countries could lessen the extent. But religious zealotry and terrorism kind of make a it difficult for people to stop caring.
Why is America so be bed with Israel?
Real talk: This is why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel
Part of that is a self feeding prophecy.
American companies, such as Intel, Microsoft, and Apple built their first overseas research and development facilities in Israel.
Like no reason they couldn't have chosen the UK or Australia.
almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover
Did you see the pictures of Kamala and Mike Johnson smiling as they watched the vote count on January 6?
Trump thanks you for your service.
They love genocide, don't let their sealioning fool you. They don't want a discussion because they'd have to praise terrorists to make a point. All they can do is shift blame to unrelated governments.
Better than a CUFI/AIPAC owned candidate
Hey, if you can sign off on a genocide based on who's holding a political office dont let us propagandized westerners stop you.
I have the most unique tags for you.
No, a very intelligent American doctorate with a history in grassroots progressivism that led in the polls among Palestinians & Arab Americans. You do respect Palestinians & their votes, right?
She...was never potus or in charge of the military support for allies or abroad?...
Put down that nitrous bottle, scuz
lololol
You saved palestine!
I guess it's time for all the "protest voters" to either admit they never gave a shit about Palestine or admit they fell for Russian propaganda.
Of course that's if they remember about Palestine. A shiny red ball might have rolled past and distracted them.
You're country is sending gopnik prisoners and NK detainees to die in the icy heart of Ukraine, prick.
I wonder if 1M other people just like you are saying that.
Even an extra million split between the greens, libertarians, socialist workers, etc isn't significant compared to the 70+million that the Democrats and Republicans each get.
What was Biden or Kamala gonna do that woulda been better than this?
Presumably the same stuff they did for the last year?
Supplying the munitions for a genocidal carpet bombing campaign? That's better?
You keep asking like you WANT to know, but that's just you sealioning like a good .ml chud.
We all know what you're doing and you're detracting from any sentiment people outside your echochamber can form on your group.
Personally I don't enjoy genocide supporters so I'm going to tell you to fuck all the way off. You could suck start a shotgun for all I care 💁
The genocide started 15 months ago and has been steadily supplied and defended by Biden/Harris
@generalemergency,
Dnc centrists who wouldnt let any possible supporters of Palestinians into the democratic party convention are the real unsung heros here, right?
Do your posts like this one make you feel better about yourself? Thats why you're posting isnt it. You told yourself you 'held your nose' while voting but you didnt really hold your nose at all. You were happy to drop every semblence of basic human morality and dignity in order to win-- and then you lost anyway.. Now you're angry at those on your own side who didnt shit their own bed and roll around in it like you did.
To win at all in the future and reclaim the demographic losses, the dems need to admit that what was done in Plaestine was wrong. They need to admit Biden and Harris both were not doing their job and not representing the working class, but were simply chasing corporate and special interest campaign dollars. If the party can do that it might survive. Otherwise its probably dead, becuase No one thinks the democrats stand for anything, and the rage evident at the elites related to Luigi's prosecution is increasingly the response toward out of touch dem leaders. No one supports corporatists so get your shit together.
It's funny you think there will be legitimate elections in 4 years. I mean Republicans are already pushing ways to give Trump a third term. So like, congrats on having Gaza screwed even harder while simultaneously throwing away any semblance of democracy?
At least the corporate corrupt Dems gave a small window for changing things democratically while not screwing over Trans people in the USA as well.
By abstaining you allowed the greater evil to prevail, not prevented any evil from occuring.
Actual leftists KNEW that already. Kamala, Biden, the majority of the DNC - they're all corrupt corporatists.
But the situation the USA was in was one of minimizing overall damage. And with the corporatists, there was still a small chance of gaining some control from them peacefully via elections, if simply because more left leaning people can at least run under the Democrat moniker.
With the fascists, that opportunity is gone. By allowing them to win, not only do you worsen the genocide occuring in Israel (if not ensured Israel from achieving it entirely), but also just got killed a bunch of other people and hurt a huge amount of minorities in the USA as well.
Not voting didn't stop the genocide and never would have, but it did guarantee that it gets worse while hurting other innocents outside of Palestine as well. If you didn't vote for Kamala (which literally means "horrible" in Finnish), you're a dumbass, because you allowed a greater evil to prevail. Especially since I know many of y'all abstainers are still paying taxes anyway and funding the genocides either way.
Thanks for finishing the genocide, Biden was getting tired and your support for Trump is really gonna help israel out.
You were so worried looking at bed A you didn't think you'd be forced into bed B
And what lesson would that be? Because I've seen that line of thinking parroted a suspicious amount lately and I've seen one person actually explain what they mean.
So enlighten me.
It's genuinely saddening to see you're still here parroting these lines after the bots have long since packed up and gone home.
The party with the best option to beat trump is still walking around with no future because it has its head up its own arse. They cant admit that abandoning the working class and embracing zionist murder for some campaign cash is going to keep them from winning in the future. And Hasbara is still paying its trolls, clearly.
What makes you think bots left? They are probably low cost to run once theyve been set up. By bots maybe you mean the opinions you dont like dont post as much? Yeah everyone feels defeated and hopeless. Most of my friends wont read the news anymore. I dont blame them.
It's very obvious to everyone that Palestinians are much worse off now.
Dear me.
As a matter of fact, I've never been to Germany or anywhere in Europe for that matter.
I'm Australian, and just happen to be using a server with a .de TLD.
Dnc centrists who wouldnt let any possible supporters of Palestinians into the democratic party convention are the real unsung heros here, right?
The guy you're responding to never said that. You've discredited your entire comment in the first sentence and there's no reason to even bother reading the rest of whatever you wrote.
My dood, it is a two party system. Both parties sucked shit when it came to this issue, and the DNC lost votes due to this fact (as one side seems to like some genocide anyway). This issue across both awful parties is implied in the first post and is countered in the "discredited" comment, you know with the whole "held your nose" line. Guess you did not read that far....
You don't have to agree with the statement, but if you read that "discredited" comment you would see both of you; Know the worse party of the two won, and more importantly one of you seems to have an idea on how not to have the same thing happen again.
My dood, when he opens with a flat out lie about what the guy he's responding to said, I'm not going to bother reading the rest of it. I thought that I made that pretty clear. So trying to have a discussion about the rest of what he had to say isn't going to be very productive.
Yes, it's a two party system and both sucked on this issue. But one sucks a whole fucking lot more on it and also sucks on literally every other issue there is. And I'm not going to coddle a bunch of people who can't see that.
By your comment, should we assume you're the ones who thought that a known racist and islamophobe with ties with Israel would be the best option for Palestinians?
Well, Palestine won't exist in the next election cycle. What lies will you trust next?
I guess some people aren't ready to admit their mistakes.
The irony of you losers high handing people. You lot lost this last election.
Who do you think you are? You're right down here in the mud with the rest of us. The party brand is in absolute tatters and trust in it has never been lower. Heck of a job. And then you try to lecture people? Its absurd.
I didn’t vote for genocide.
Do you feel ok about that in the context of what's about to happen in Palestine?
Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.
I really hope you’re happy that your conscience is clean now the guy who’s main spokesman said Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’ and who himself declared it ‘could be better than Monaco’, clearly with an eye towards beachfront real estate, has the power to make that happen for his own gain.
This was entirely predictable, and we told you this would happen. Trump told you so himself. The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch, but Kamala absolutely wasn’t looking at the situation as to how she could personally profit through real estate development if the Palestinians were just wiped off the map as quickly as possible. Trump likely had the choicest property mapped out, with property developers already submitting proposals.
If you abstained because of both-sides re Israel, fuck you. You at best were played and at worst helped to play others, and now we ALL get to suffer.
The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch
Totally.
Enthusiastically helping Israel stack bodies for four years was definitely imperfect.
I could not care less about what Trump says.
I heard Biden, for four years, wring his hands publicly and pretend to give a shit, all while giving WMD's to Israel every single time they demanded it, in full knowledge they were bombing hospitals, schools and kids.
What I care about is what's actually being done, and in the short-term, Trump's actions are improving the situation. I'm sure his reasons for this are some form of self-enrichment, and I doubt that it will last, but that remains to be seen. Right now, things are better than they were a few weeks ago for the people in Gaza.
Biden allowed the genocide to continue literally to his last day in office, despite all the soaring speeches and public statements he made about peace.
You don't have any objective facts you can point to here to demonstrate that Trump is worse than Biden, and in the short-term, Trump is substantially better. The genocide continued literally up to the last day of Biden's presidency.
That's the point. Calling the Democrats 'imperfect' on Israel isn't just wrong, it's vulgarly and sickeningly euphemistic.
Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.
Sound like you still haven't acknowledged the ongoing genocide or understand what is going on in gaza. There's no such thing as genocide or genocide++ the same way there's no holocaust or holocaust++. People who chose not to support any scum with blood on their hands have no guilt, they did the correct thing. Assuming you supported the red and blue parties you have more guilt than everyone else, you gave your vote to murderers. Instead of telling you to go fuck off like you did i'm going encourage you to document yourself on what's going on in gaza and how governments worldwide are allowing it to happen.
The genocide in Ukraine and everything that happens to minorities in the US is your fault if you didn't vote Harris.
Sitting on the sideline with your thumb up your ass wasn't going to somehow give us Mr. Rogers as president.
The genocide in Ukraine and everything that happens to minorities in the US is your fault if you didn’t vote Harris.
Think with your own head. People didn't got their rights and freedom by supporting the lesser evil ruler. If the choice is between two murderers the correct thing to do is to be against them.
All this finger wagging because people criticized democrats sending billions in weapons which were used in the genocide? Somehow it's protestors fault in this scenario.
The degree to which you bend over backwards to support the legitimacy of a system where BOTH SIDES of the two-party system fully support israel is astonishing. You speak of others getting played, yet here you are getting played into thinking you can make a difference in a government that has fully supported israel since its establishment regardless of who is in power.
All this finger wagging because people criticized democrats ENABLED TRUMP TO FINISH THE GENOCIDE
Can you even read?
Believe it or not, democrats pausing a single shipment of weapons while letting all the billions of dollars worth of other weapons through didn't disable israel from "FINISHING THE GENOCIDE".
There’s a chance that Trump can terminally weaken the US. He can’t wage a war on the entire world. The Democrats were focused on destroying the Middle East. The Republicans are less focused and more chaotic.
And why can’t they wage war on the world? What are we gonna do about?
And seems Trump is laser focused on erasing Palestine and giving his donors everything they promised.
There we go, you're being HONEST!!!
YOU SACRAFICED PALESTINE FOR A CHANCE AT WEAKENING YOUR PERCEIVED ENEMY.
honestly you are the most vile type of cretin.
Hamas is 150% an openly terrorist militia and you've genocide more than Biden could in his lifetime.
Do they have ieds strapped to children on your moral highground?
What was Biden or Kamala gonna do better than this?
Not do this.
Full stop.
But they were doing this. They were supplying and defending a genocidal carpet bombing campaign for over a year.
600-900 aid trucks are entering Gaza every day and the bombs have stopped falling.
Trump talks shit a lot, but until he actually does something the situation now is far better than it was under Biden.
You’re kidding, right? You think that aid is because of trump, when you’re responding in an article that says his stated motives are the opposite of that?
Much of that aid was already secured before he took office. Shit takes time – especially in a war zone. Wait a month or so and get back to me on whether aid from the US continues. The US has been giving aid to many places that will continue for a short while until the new policies filter through.
Listen to what the new moron-in-chief says, and notice that some policies take a bit of time to take effect. Like the US economy, for instance. Large systems don’t turn on a dime.
They could have gotten that aid in any time they wanted. It doesn't just take time, it takes political will. The trucks were already there and the aid was all ready to go, they just had to be let in the border by the Zionist entity. They needed a ceasefire.
I'll definitely be watching what happens over the next weeks and months, but how about we actually do that instead of catastrophize every time the moron in chief says something stupid that he can't enforce? Forcing Egypt and Jordan to take 1.5-2 million refugees is about as likely as Trump actually annexing Greenland. This shit isn't happening.
The fascists have done an incredible job lulling people into a false sense of security with "Trump just says outrageous things to trigger the libs he'll never actually do anything".
Agreed 100%. If all Democrats do for the next four years is scream the sky is falling then they will lose even more voters in 2028. You don't run a pro-genocide candidate & parade around with the Cheney's if the sky is falling. That is called trying to lose.
Can you elaborate?
What about Trump's arrival / Biden's departure has enabled 900 aid trucks to start rolling into Gaza every day ?
Trump's Mideast Envoy Forced Netanyahu to Accept a Gaza Plan He Repeatedly Rejected
The ceasefire? Before that, basically no aid was coming in.
Doubt it.
Oh, now this asshole is all for other countries taking in displaced migrants.
No, he doesn’t actually want any other countries to take them in. They should just leave their own country… He’d prefer that they simply walk into the Dead Sea so he doesn’t have to think about them anymore.
Yeah well see we talked to all the neighbors but they didn't want them so unfortunately some of them may have gotten in the way when we bulldozed the site ready to lay the foundations for the new condos. /s
Oh no, he just wants them to leave, not to go to another country. They don't live in reality.
Yeah, this is likely the truth; the guy can’t think two moves in advance on anything.
Wonderful. Nothing like the US backing state sponsored terrorism. Not that it's anything new...
End it in 24hrs means make Ukraine capitulate and reward Russia for all the bad behavior. Same with Taiwan. Same with Greenland.
Native Americans suggest the colonizers should just leave America.
This is beside the fact that Palestinians don’t want to leave their homes.
Protest voters looking more and more stupid by the day. And will continue to do so every day for the next 4 years minimum.
He should give maralago to the Indian tribe that used to live there.
You know, given his comments about it being prime real estate, I wouldn't be surprised if the word "Strip" in the name evokes a sort of Vegas Strip and that's what Trump is thinking. Nevermind that people fucking live there, to him it's Jewish Vegas (or Atlantic City if you know Trump's preferences).
There was a movie about a guy stuck in an airport, I think it was called Die Hard 2.
It's like those fairy tales Zionists try to convince you about that every belief system should seek their own nation. It's easy to come up with free land when you have zero value for the people living on it.
Read THE SHOCK DOCTRINE. It was always gonna be this.
Oh sure, just take the Palestenians, and shove them somewhere else. Good, endless angry people consolidating on another territory.
How many were there?
You can say murder. Or assassinate. Or kill. Man up.
As leftists like to say to justify their one-sided attacks against Democrats: "Republicans are going to Republican".
Leftists know this and still decided to do all they can to make sure they give the reins of power to Republicans yet again to "punish" Democrats when all their privileged white asses are doing is punishing lgbtq, poc, and now Palestinians despite their use of their issue to justify not voting Democrat.
But no war but class war right?
If you want to enter a house, do you use the door or the brick wall? In this scenario, the republicans are the brick wall and the democrats are the door. In theory, the door is more willing to allow entrance. How you're framing this is that using the door is an attack on the door. This is the same attitude conservatives use when people critique the US where they'll respond with "America: love it or leave it".
As for punishing minorities, I'd take democrats more seriously about their claims of standing up for minorities if they weren't so quick to ignore them or throw them under the bus. It was Palestinians and others in Arab communities who were driving the uncommitted movement. It was a movement that simply asked that people mark uncommitted during the primaries where Biden was running practically unopposed. This is the lightest of resistance ever, did not threaten the presidential election, and clearly delivered the message that people were displeased with Biden. What did democrats do in response? Screamed at the minorities and preemptively blamed them for sowing division and continued pushing Biden until his debate performance made it apparent to even party diehards that Biden was not going to win. However, the party diehards still wanted to continue his policies, so they saddled Harris with the burden of continuing his garbage policies. Democrats simply did not listen to voter concerns during the election.
You're saying that Palestinians are "now" being punished, but this only shows your ignorance of over a year of intensified genocide and the decades-long campaign of ethnic cleansing Palestinians have had to endure with the support of both US parties. It's less that Palestinians are "now" being punished and more like democrats are blaming everyone but themselves like they always do, even though they had the power to make a difference. Curiously, they did not use that power. I would be interested in your explanation for why democrats chose not to.
Holy Mother of Displaced Blame...
From what I gather, you're making the insinuation that the people who refused to vote for Kamala due to her (and Biden's) support of Israel are responsible for Trump and his heavy-handed approach.
I'd retort by stating that Israel has killed near 100k Palestinians and reduced most of the territory to rubble all while Biden's administration had been sending bombs, guns, tanks, missiles, and money.
The main difference between Trump and Biden on this issue is how loud and open they are about it.
Is there a difference between discretely supporting apartheid or openly supporting apartheid? Probably, in an intellectual sense. But what difference does it make to the tens of thousands of Gazan widows?
So is your solution to give the country to the right and hope for revolution? Super cool for all the people here and abroad who have to suffer under revved up American fascism, including Gaza. Counting on that very slow train maybe pulling into the station seems like a solid plan.
Fuck that. You don't get to blame the DNC or Biden or Harris for a choice that YOU made. Every single person who was eligible to vote this election was alive to see Trump's last term. The vast majority had the ability to read Project 2025. If you didn't know exactly what not voting was going to get us, that's your fault.
No, it’s brain dead to think you can oppose a corrupt entrenched power structure by taking your ball and going home. Elections alone won’t fix shit. Sitting them out to let in MAGA fascism definitely isn’t going to do it. Change takes decades, but if you give power to the people who will oppress harder and more readily, you are just ensuring more people get hurt in the process. The democrats at least bow to pressure some. Trump wants to shoot protestors and made sure to appoint people down with that. So yeah, I’m blaming really naive voters along with blaming our corrupt system not offering better options. Hate to tell you, but life is more nuanced than straight good and evil.
What was biden/kamala gonna do better?
What did trump do better?
He did exactly the same as I would expect from Biden or kamala. Disrespect for Palestinians is bipartisan this past election had no bearing on the issue
We won't get to know now. Now we get exactly what everyone told you about in the months leading up to November.
Where is Jill stein?
They weren't going to put immigrants in camps. I as a gay man didn't have to worry about the sane had Harris won.
But at least some Marxists have a sense of moral superiority
The democrats at least voted for the candidate that was not promoting fascism. Those that withheld their votes to retain a sense of moral purity have a role in Trump’s victory that those who voted against Trump do not share.
This makes me think of the many people within the chain between Trump and Netanyahu. The spineless motherfuckers personally handling these weapons need to grow the fuck up and start replacing warheads with packet ramen.
You get to do that once, maybe twice, depending on how often the shipments are going out, and how long it takes them to find you. Then the fire hose of weapons resumes. That's not productive in the general or personal sense.
As I said throughout the entire election cycle, if Trump wins, Palestine will be gone by Summer.
Well, they are one of two countries other than Israel that will continue to get military funding
So probably no a coincidence that this is literally “Israel can take territory” and “Egypt can open their mouth” if they both want that aid to continue to flow.
Not really because they'll just invade that too to make another "buffer zone" for the people they move into what was the Gaza strip.
Anyone thinking the destruction of Gaza ends this had better think again.
clean like how? put the garbage and litter in appropriate places?
What a enlighted speech...
This is a horribly immoral and unjust thing to even suggest. That said, if the only other alternative is that they stay in Gaza and get exterminated by these psychos in Israel, then I have to think that relocation, and living, are the superior option. THAT said, none of the countries he's talking about are going to take them.
Honestly. They should, and they should treat them well. We've already entered the countdown to Israel's declaration of war on Jordan and/or Egypt. If they take them then Israel claims militants got out and are being harbored. Oh no! But if they don't then Israel will claim West Bank militants escaped to whichever country and are being harbored.
Netanyahu's refusal to leave Lebanon and Syria along with the uptick in Greater Israel propaganda from ministers makes their 10 year strategic goals pretty clear.
Edit to add, oops I forgot the conclusion! Lmao. This gives them a motivated and highly available population to arm and send against the IDF when the inevitable happens.
All these comments thinking this is a gotcha moment for people who didn't vote for the Democrats.
Biden supported the last 15 months of genocide, supplied, the weapons, political cover and support.
The only reason Gaza hasn't been totally emptied is because Egypt refused to accept millions of refugees.
Trump is only saying what the Democrats believe but were too disingenuous to admit.
You know what? Maybe we should give them a nice place to live in the west bank. A prime Palestinian ground. Where, you ask? Oh don't worry, we'll find some other population over there to suppress.
2047: Oh no, the Palestinians are committing genocide! Let's give the genocides population a different place to call home
The Gazans aren’t going to leave, it is their land. What will Trump do? Biden already destroyed 60% of buildings, 92% of homes, 88% of schools, 68% of cropland, 68% of road networks, while only 50% of hospitals are partially functioning.
Gazans will rebuild with or without US support. The vast majority of the world recognizes their right to self determination. The US is the odd one here and with Trump at the helm it is increasingly isolated.
Congrats American leftists, this is what you wanted. You got played and it was so damn obvious. “But Biden…” well enjoy Trump.
The American right united and the American left splintered into little self made groups with special labels and began fighting, hating and rejecting each other.
“I didn’t vote trump, i just refused to vote Biden!” Well you got your choice then, so shut the fuck up and eat it. You think you hurt the democrats by losing them the election? You think they care or will lose money?
You guys essentially chopped off your own foot and are happy cause you sprayed blood on someone you didn’t like.
Ps: American leftists have no fucking clue what a leftist is. Hating and calling fascist on everyone who is slightly right or even left of you is not being a leftist.
Hey, it'll be OK. If this is what trump is doing, then Kamala would be over there straight up drinking baby blood at this point.
Edit: Downvote all you want. It's only slightly more effective than what you voted for in November :P
It's probably the only way to end the conflict without waiting several generations and hoping that cultures change over that time, and a significant improvement to the quality of life of most people in Gaza.
The land itself is not the deciding factor. The conflict would end if Egypt agreed to annex Gaza and no one was forcibly displaced. I think any rational Israeli would agree to that (this may not include the current government) but Egypt doesn't want it, and reasonably so.
Whaat? How is it at all fair to kick these people out of their homeland? Especially after Israel’s response was so incredibly disproportionate when compared to the October 7th attacks. Like what 3k people vs well over 40k??? Bombing hospitals???
Given Trump’s comments about the real estate in Gaza let’s not pretend he just doesn’t want to give it to Israel if he gets a piece of the development pie. Let’s not forget Netanyahu was visiting Trump before he assumed the presidency.
It’s not right. The Palestinians should have their land back. The only moral solution is a two state solution. The only secure solution is a two state solution. Dispossessing regular people and effectively kicking them when they’re down isn’t exactly a deterrent to terrorism.
I fear they’ve already decided what they’re going to do and now they’re just trying to make everyone buy it.
Considering the stakes Benjy has in the potential trade route running right through Gaza and evidence that suggests he was giving funding to hamas, I'm not so sure. It would explain his continued overescalation in attacks on Palestine.
That being said I could change my tune if I did see a legitimate reason to.
At this point I'd support Israel losing it's independence to Palestine.
I believe the current number is 46500. I think after all is done, if we ever get a "true" number, it will be closer to 200k killed.
I don't know what exactly Trump has in mind but I think the key factor is giving Gazans citizenship in an Arab country. They can keep the land if, for example, Egypt agrees to annex it.
Trump is explicitly suggesting that the land be cleared out of Palestinians and granted to Israeli settlers. This would (at best) be similar to the trail of tears for Cherokee - a displaced people forced to relocate to some low value (likely desert) portion of Egypt and leaving everything built by their culture behind.
This would still meet the definition of a genocide even if no one died (and people would assuredly die in the process).
Or wait hear this one out: They get their own country called Palestine and keep living on their own land.
giving Gazans citizenship in an Arab country. They can keep the land
Wow naive. Ever heard of syria and lebanon?
Easy there cowboy the mask is slipping
You a fool if you think so. Resistance groups will start operating and attacking Israel from egypt. Egyptian week economy can't sustain the coming of 2 millions more people. Also egypt admistrated gaza before it didn't turn well
"End"?? More like export. Why do you think Lebanon is part of the mess Israel creates on the regular?
Have Egypt annex it?
All that would change is that now Israel periodically raids across the Egyptian border to attack Hamas forces in Gaza.
Egypt's current government is pretty good at suppressing opposition. Generally that's not a good thing but it does mean that Egypt can probably handle Hamas.
Egypt is a lot harder of a target than Gaza. Also Egypt can't. By international treaty they have to stay West of the Suez Canal. They tried to shut it down once and the entire world agreed that meant they lost the ability to physically control both banks.
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Reeeeeeeeeally hard to stop my self from screaming “I fucking told you so” to all the idiots who insisted Trump would be better for the situation right now
This is literally the exact thing I’ve been trying to point out for months
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