Culture shock

2 years ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/microblogmemes

Idea 321 points 2 years ago

In a traditional German toilet, the hole into which shit disappears after we flush is right at the front, so that shit is first laid out for us to sniff and inspect for traces of illness. In the typical French toilet, on the contrary, the hole is at the back, i.e. shit is supposed to disappear as quickly as possible. Finally, the American (Anglo-Saxon) toilet presents a synthesis, a mediation between these opposites: the toilet basin is full of water, so that the shit floats in it, visible, but not to be inspected. [...] It is clear that none of these versions can be accounted for in purely utilitarian terms: each involves a certain ideological perception of how the subject should relate to excrement. Hegel was among the first to see in the geographical triad of Germany, France and England an expression of three different existential attitudes: reflective thoroughness (German), revolutionary hastiness (French), utilitarian pragmatism (English). In political terms, this triad can be read as German conservatism, French revolutionary radicalism and English liberalism. [...] The point about toilets is that they enable us not only to discern this triad in the most intimate domain, but also to identify its underlying mechanism in the three different attitudes towards excremental excess: an ambiguous contemplative fascination; a wish to get rid of it as fast as possible; a pragmatic decision to treat it as ordinary and dispose of it in an appropriate way. It is easy for an academic at a round table to claim that we live in a post-ideological universe, but the moment he visits the lavatory after the heated discussion, he is again knee-deep in ideology.

Slavoj Žižek

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SerotoninSwells 156 points 2 years ago

Damn an actual shit post.

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Imgonnatrythis 59 points 2 years ago

Really expected something about the undertaker and throwing mankind or the like to pop up in this.

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witty_username 10 points 2 years ago

Kinda disappointed we didn't get one

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humanspiral 1 point 2 years ago

As the shitter who wanted to inspect his shit, but from far away, climbed up 10 feet saying he wanted to avoid all smell, it was quickly exposed as a ruse as the undertaker rained fury down onto his fellow wrestler.

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rumba 1 point 2 years ago

The first best time to post about the undertaker is in the first post, the second best time is when you yearn for it to exist.

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Scott_of_the_Arctic 56 points 2 years ago

Ok that is actually Slavoj Žižek. I had to check.

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Toldry 18 points 2 years ago

It's genuine.

From "The Plague of Fantasies (Wo Es War Series)"

https://www.goodreads.com/...

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AA5B 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe eat less fat so the poop will sink. It goes under water so it doesn’t stink. It doesn’t plop against the porcelain so nothing sticks

American toilet is best because in the typical poop there’s less stink, less mess, toilet doesn’t need to be cleaned ….. except for those days where you dump a monster load

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PhilipTheBucket 151 points 2 years ago

They used to need to check for parasites, in the shattered state of misery that existed after the war. (Edit! This is wrong. TIL.) It's disgusting, but so is having parasites and not knowing it.

Pro tip for US people: Get ready! The world is not inherently a safe and stable place, and if you knock out the supports that are keeping it safe and stable for you, all kinds of really bad shit can happen.

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Glifted 131 points 2 years ago

I mean you're talking to US people who are on Lemmy. We know we're fucked

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Lucidlethargy 14 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I'd wager 90% or more of us here that live in the US voted for Kamala, fully knowing the consequences of Trump.

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lars 2 points 2 years ago

Omg tho did Zuck himself not ban Trump from Meta properties before Biden even became president??! Isn’t Zuck

fully knowing the consequences of Trump

in a way that even stay-home-on-Election-Day Swing Staters don’t?!

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waigl 54 points 2 years ago

Remember the whole "Ivermectin, the dewormer, helps against Covid" thing in the US? Researchers did look at those claims and came to the completely unsurprising conclusion that, unless you have gut parasites, Ivermectin does not help with anything, including Covid. However, if you do have parasites, the Ivermectin can remove a comorbidity, which is obviously going to help with just about anything, including Covid. (Unless you have the wrong kind of parasite, and the sudden presence of rotting worm corpses throughout your body leads to septic shock…)

My takeaway from that is, modern day Americans probably have a lot more gut parasites than we used to think before Covid.

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Chronographs 32 points 2 years ago

We Americans don’t actually have an obesity epidemic, we’re just completely full of parasites

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Aceticon 2 points 2 years ago

It's my impression that the epidemic of parasites in American is mainly of the full sized human kind.

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Chronographs 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah that’s why we’re completely full, I have a landlord in my belly

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Dkarma -43 points 2 years ago

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Themadbeagle 29 points 2 years ago

You fail to mention that studies of the antiviral properties of Ivermectin showed that the dosage requirements were proported to be higher dosage than what was considered safe and was likely to be toxic. Sure, maybe it can act as an antiviral medicine, but the other thing a medicine must do is, you know, not kill the person using it.

As an edit upon further reading, not only were some of the early studies suggesting dangerous dosage being required to see the affects, laterore rigorous studies showed little evidence it made a difference at all.

The worse part, that only too 2 minutes to google to see dones of papers on the subject, so maybe look into things before you parrot randos on the internet

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Cataphract 0 points 2 years ago

If you would just go one step further and put a link up that you already have, it would be 100x more helpful. I'm not disputing, but human nature/reaction is weird and logically we're dying from a thousand cuts. A few percentage are misinformed because "they read somewhere once", a few more by pure propaganda and gaslighting, then tribalism kicks in and someone may not even want to read your reply at all.

Just dropping a link lets them know you're engaged and the link pops nicely instead of just non-stop text (you also have the links, it's not a huge step). It also makes it appear you are just sharing info you have, not attacking the validity of their statement personally like you're trying to one up them (this happens a lot unfortunately). None of this is important though unless you choose it to be, engage with how you feel best accomplishes your goal.

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Death_Equity 16 points 2 years ago

Ivermectin is a treatment, the vaccine is a defense. You can't compare them like they do the same thing.

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AllNewTypeFace 29 points 2 years ago

IIRC, this design predates 1945, and is not specifically about parasites but digestive health in general. (There were a lot of health fads in late 19th/early 20th-century Germany, some more quackish than others.)

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Treczoks 13 points 2 years ago

In a way, this is a tribute to longevity of bathroom porcelain. Even in Germany, this is far from modern. If you look e.g. into the bathroom department of German DIY stores, you won't find this design anymore.

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paultimate14 12 points 2 years ago

This may be an obscure fact, but World War 2 was not the first time that Germany was ravaged by war.

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PhilipTheBucket 8 points 2 years ago

TIL. That's wild. I always had just been aware of the rumor that it was from after the war, but yes, it looks like you're right.

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Diplomjodler3 10 points 2 years ago

Can you see brain worms, if you use one of these?

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eran_morad 7 points 2 years ago

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TheBrideWoreCrimson 9 points 2 years ago

war

I had worms once and I found out only because of this type of toilet. I must have gotten them from a park where I was sitting down on the grass, without a blanket.

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TheOctonaut 17 points 2 years ago

Unless there were earthworms in your ass, that's not how parasitic worms work

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PrincessTardigrade 4 points 2 years ago

Hookworms can be acquired by bare skin against contaminated soil, so it's theoretically possible, especially if TheBrideWoreCrimson wore their birthday suit

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Gigliorananomicom 5 points 2 years ago

Sir, this is a toilet discussion 😂

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ininewcrow 4 points 2 years ago

So you're saying that Americans may need to develop or start using German toilets in 20-30-40 years time?

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count_dongulus 122 points 2 years ago

You sit on it reverse, and use the tank lid to hold your chocolate milk and comic books.

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brbposting 42 points 2 years ago

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Stalinwolf 8 points 2 years ago

They call it deutschbombing.

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disguy_ovahea 51 points 2 years ago

That’s known as a Dutch toilet. It’s designed to allow you to inspect your movements for health concerns more easily than the standard toilet.

If you’re concerned with leaving evidence, just toss a couple pieces of tp on top of the water before you go so it’ll slide down easily when you flush.

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Boxscape 22 points 2 years ago

Dutch toilet

Heh heh. The Dutch get prefixed on all the fun stuff don't they?

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kibiz0r 8 points 2 years ago

Dutch East India Company…

Dutch invention of modern capitalism…

Dutch treat…

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tdawg 7 points 2 years ago

So the dutch are to blame for everything...

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Septimaeus 1 point 2 years ago

When they ask to “go Dutch,” it’s only fair to blush and say you’ll try anything once.

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ininewcrow 19 points 2 years ago

I would have loved to have one of these a few years ago. I have a wilderness cottage and on the lake we're on, it was affected by a family of beavers who cause beaver fever, Giardiasis. It's a small lake so it was a problem and I got infected with it. Nothing serious or long lasting but when I went to the doctor, he asked for a series of stool samples to confirm diagnosis.

The dutch toilet would have been great for that. Instead I had to perform acrobatics and weird positions and use plastic wrap and cardboard and paper to try to make a clean collection .... and there were a few accidents along the way.

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Track_Shovel 7 points 2 years ago

Brutal. I hear Giardia is nothing but suffering

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ininewcrow 4 points 2 years ago

If you have a severe case of it and you swallowed several cups of it or you made tea or coffee with tainted water or boiled food with the water.

I had a very mild case because I caught it from swimming and might have swallowed a bit of water. I can even remember the moment in happened ... I was swimming and dove in the water and felt some water in my nose and mouth and when I came up, a beaver was slowly making its way past me 20 feet away. As cute and mild as these creatures seem, they use the lake as a toilet every time they go swimming.

My infection only lasted about a week of mild diarrhea, maybe one bad day but that was it.

I'm always careful in my part of the country and always watch where I get my water and how safe it all is. Swimming in my lake is never a problem. We just happened to have a family of beavers move in one summer. A local indigenous trapper manages the area and got rid of the beavers. And it's not an inhumane thing about it either. I'm indigenous myself and I grew up eating the beaver that my dad trapped when I was young. Beaver are just managed now because of issues like giardia and places where people can get sick from it. The surrounding area where I'm from is filled with beaver everywhere else.

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ArmoredThirteen 4 points 2 years ago

I had to do a stool sample a couple years ago. One of the worst experiences of my life I'd rather just die

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MutilationWave 3 points 2 years ago

I'm dreading this. I need to do the mail in your shit prostate test in the next couple years if not now. I've got hemorrhoids so I am very scared of anything going up my ass. Got any tips from what you learned?

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ininewcrow 4 points 2 years ago

Can't say I enjoy these conversations but I know what it means to have to do it.

If I had to do it again, I'd recommend doing your business in a large garbage bag that you place in a bucket or bowl (so that it doesn't spill). The larger the garbage bag the better. Saving garbage bags doesn't matter anyway because you won't be doing this too often. Once everything is in the bag, then you can take out the bag and get in to more easily collect your sample. I know you only need a small bit but it is very hard to try to do stuff over a toilet bowl with plastic, containers or whatever and not contaminate things in the water, your hand or anything else. I tried four or five different ways and always made a mess. Better to just do it all in a garbage bag. Then once you are done, wrap up the whole bag, seal it and throw it in the dumpster outside your house.

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MutilationWave 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks, good tips.

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medgremlin 2 points 2 years ago

Don't bother with the mail-in test if you know you have hemorrhoids. It tests for DNA fragments from tumors and for microscopic traces of blood. If it comes back positive, they don't tell you if it was positive for the tumor DNA or for blood, and you'll have to get a colonoscopy anyways.

Cologuards are only good for 3 years at most, and a colonoscopy is good for 10 years if it comes back clean. Just save your money and go straight to the colonoscopy because the hemorrhoids will likely pop a false positive on the mail-in test.

Edit: Also! If you have a positive cologuard, the ensuing colonoscopy has to get billed as "diagnostic" instead of as "screening" and insurance pays for it differently.

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MutilationWave 2 points 2 years ago

Very very good advice, thank you.

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SkunkWorkz 2 points 2 years ago

You could have just put a small bucket in the toilet. And take it out before you have to pee.

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Nounka 2 points 2 years ago

For kindergarten it is used often in Belgium. Teachers can controle who did buisness. If a lot off worms are on there you see it and parents are informed. Some places not only parents of the one xith the worms but the entite klass by the usual 'they are seen' letter. Plx take care off your child.

Btw No bowing down needed or sniffing. Good lord who would do that...

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starchylemming 34 points 2 years ago

btw this is far from common. only seen in a fraction of old homes

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haui_lemmy 38 points 2 years ago

Living in germany for 30+ yrs. this WAS the norm everywhere but nowadays these are no longer built usually. So in fact only in badly maintained homes.

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Diplomjodler3 14 points 2 years ago

Basically, any house that had it's bathrooms renovated in the last thirty years or so won't have those any more

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Mim 9 points 2 years ago

I'm a bit nostalgic for the good old Flachspüler.

... I'm getting old, aren't I?

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Diplomjodler3 3 points 2 years ago

Grüße von einem alten Sack zum anderen.

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Mim 2 points 2 years ago

Hey, mit fast Mitte 30 bin ich doch noch kein alter Sack!
Oder?
Oder…

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drspod 28 points 2 years ago

In the UK we call that the "continental shelf."

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Shardikprime 24 points 2 years ago

I fucking knew it

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over_clox 23 points 2 years ago

This is clearly a woman's toilet. Everyone knows women don't poop.

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Micromot 20 points 2 years ago

That is an absolute positive because it makes you able to see if you are eating healthy/if your gut is healthy

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not_IO 17 points 2 years ago

wtf is germanic culture? you mean every group the romans encountered towards the north?

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__Lost__ 2 points 2 years ago

It means German, like from the current county of Germany

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Walk_blesseD 6 points 2 years ago

current county of Germany

County? Wtf happened? I look away for five minutes and they're back on the old HRE shit, exploding their country into hundreds of smaller ones???

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not_IO 5 points 2 years ago

I'm german and i only ever see that word used by linguists or racists

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SkunkWorkz 5 points 2 years ago

No German means German. Germanic refers to historic tribes of people in Northern Europe or a language family spoken in Northern Europe.

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FooBarrington 1 point 2 years ago

German ic my balls

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Diplomjodler3 17 points 2 years ago

Us Germans, we take pride in our workmanship.

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bjoern_tantau 14 points 2 years ago

But look how happy it is!

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bjoern_tantau 14 points 2 years ago

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edg 3 points 2 years ago

FLAT DISHENGER IS HAPPY TO RINSE ALL YOUR SHIT AWAY

Google translate

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Shardikprime 14 points 2 years ago

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PotatoesFall 13 points 2 years ago

I LOVE these because:

No splash (aka Poseidons kiss)
No chance of dangling genitalia to touch the bowl

Toilets are hygiene facilities and this is the most hygienic design IMO

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 18 points 2 years ago

No chance of dangling genitalia to touch the bowl

I'd say that depends on the degree of dangle

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PotatoesFall 4 points 2 years ago

good point. A greatly diminished chance :D

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dohpaz42 2 points 2 years ago

good point.

More like a tip.

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FartsWithAnAccent 2 points 2 years ago

Not for ol' taffy-scrote Pete.

shudders

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ramble81 9 points 2 years ago

Unless you make a high enough mountain it comes up and touches you. Ask me how I know l…. Or rather, don’t.

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MonkderVierte 3 points 2 years ago

splash (aka Poseidons kiss)

Toilet paper beforehand.

Btw, swiss here (north of germany), never seen this type in the photo. Likely more in the north.

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PotatoesFall 4 points 2 years ago

i can't hot-swap replace the sheet of toilet paper between each turd, not to mention the waste of TP :P

I'm German and these toilets are much more common in the Netherlands in my experience.

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DaddleDew 11 points 2 years ago

The downsides are the smell if you don't flush quickly after and having to brush the smear off more often.

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MutilationWave 7 points 2 years ago

There was a German tip above that you throw down some toilet paper on the shelf to make things easier. Good to know if we ever encounter one of these.

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basic_user 11 points 2 years ago

There is a writer who has commented on toilet designs and cultures where the Germans like to study and understand the world thus have toilets like this. Where the French are more about getting rid of waste fast and efficiently much like their love for revolution. And the English are more of a diplomatic middle ground. Can't remember his name and couldn't find him from a quick search. I'm sure you can.

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andros_rex 7 points 2 years ago

You’re referencing Žižek

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iAvicenna 7 points 2 years ago

it will be a trip to Nessus to clean this toilet after a big one

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notoftenthat 5 points 2 years ago

Easier to poop knife

Apologies for the link to the other side -

https://www.originalpoopknife.com/...

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bhamlin 3 points 2 years ago

Greatly enhances the defecation experience. 💩/10

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