All for this.

a year ago by BonesOfTheMoon to c/canada

cosmicrookie 192 points a year ago

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hopesdead 26 points a year ago

Why are non-European countries even allowed to participate?

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MithranArkanere 41 points a year ago

All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.

Brazil, Peru, Japan, India, and even China and the US could participate too.

Russia and Lybia used to be part of the EBU but they were suspended. They know what they did.

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napoleonsdumbcousin 6 points a year ago

All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.

Theoretically yes, but associated members (in contrast to full members) still need to be approved on a case by case basis.

Active members (as opposed to associate members) of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) are eligible to participate; [...]. Associate member broadcasters may be eligible to compete, dependent on approval by the contest's reference group.[49]

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

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napoleonsdumbcousin 18 points a year ago

Eurovision is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, which includes basically all countries in the European Broadcasting Area (basically Europe + all of the Mediterranean). Those include Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Armenia, etc. They have always been allowed to participate. Australia is an outlier. They just got a special invitation.

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MisterFrog 8 points a year ago

Because Australia were mega fans, so they invited us :3

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Tagger 6 points a year ago

Are we going to be called anti-Semitic?

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DicksAndPizza 5 points a year ago

Aren’t we anyways? Who cares at this point. Nazi, antisemitic… Russophobe. I’ve been all of these lol. I’ve even been called a homophobe even tho I am literally gay.

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PotatoLibre 3 points a year ago

This is genius!

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sucius1 2 points a year ago

Jesus Christ, yes please!

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AbnormalHumanBeing 96 points a year ago

As a European, I think it would be pretty funny if, after Brexit, the other parts of the former Empire joined the EU.

But at least right now, membership is probably more of a meme - some solid cooperation and shared institutions would be amazing, though.

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SlopppyEngineer 21 points a year ago

EU already said this can't work. It said in the rules only European countries can join the EU. But something can be worked out, no doubt.

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lena 20 points a year ago

European Worldwide Union

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TheBat 17 points a year ago
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Railcar8095 11 points a year ago

Canada becomes a France province, easy.

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HK65 14 points a year ago

Or France becomes a Canadian one and switch to English as the primary official language. It would solve a ton of issues and I'm sure the French would be okay with it.

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KingPorkChop 7 points a year ago

It's been ok so far in Canada.

Wait...

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CanadaPlus 9 points a year ago

You have to be "substantially European", which includes Cyprus, which is fully in Asia and half Turkish. Also, Greenland and to a degree Iceland aren't geographically European.

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ohulancutash 4 points a year ago

Neither Greenland nor Iceland are in the EU.

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moody 10 points a year ago

No, but French Guiana is, and it's in South America.

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CanadaPlus 3 points a year ago

Ah shit, you're right about Iceland. I thought it was for some reason.

Greenland like usual has no data (because WTF is it really? Independent? A territory?). Denmark definitely is, though, and Greenlanders presently get the full benefits of that.

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Aceticon 9 points a year ago

Membership of the European Economic Area - same as Norway - for example.

Comes with being part of the EU Internal Market, Freedom Of Movement (both ways, of course) and exceptions in a couple of areas (such as fishing rights not being decided by the EU, which I suspect is something that Canada would rather have) but without voting power within the EU.

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arakhis_ 83 points a year ago

New update just dropped

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huppakee 6 points a year ago

I don't see Erdogan being very happy about this map tho

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Matriks404 1 point a year ago

Erdogan doesn't care about Turkish EU membership.

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JustAnotherKay 3 points a year ago

Ya know, when you put it that way

Tap for spoiler

Pun intended. Get rocked.

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Rubanski 2 points a year ago

That doesn't look as absurd as it might seem at first!

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jerkface 1 point a year ago

especially once the north pole melts

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Gammelfisch 1 point a year ago

One hell of a trading block and the EU GDP would leave the MAGA fucks in their dust trail.

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DeepChill 47 points a year ago

Well, we do share a land border with Denmark. Sooooo…. we’re practically European already!

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SaturdayMorning 21 points a year ago

And France (Saint Pierre) I think? Thanks CBC Gem!

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Ceedoestrees 12 points a year ago path: 0 15826207 15827182 15827357, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
BenVimes 4 points a year ago

That's a sea border, but the idea is the same.

In fact, the distance between the shores of Newfoundland and St. Pierre and Miquelon is shorter than the width of the English Channel at the Straits of Dover (25km vs 34km).

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Obi 3 points a year ago

Don't get me wrong I'm all for it but by this logic we can also include South America (French Guyana), central America (Caribbeans) all Pacific Islands (French Polynesia), Africa (too many to list), Indian subcontinent (la reunion) and Oceania (nouvelle Caledonie).

I look forward to Hawaii joining the EU :D

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jerkface 0 points a year ago

We share a land border on the recently divided Hans Island. oops misread the threading

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UpperBroccoli 45 points a year ago

Well, if Canada can take part in the Eurovision song contest, they might as well join the EU.

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RedditRefugee69 8 points a year ago

Everyone knows supreme executive power is derived from Eurovision.

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chuckleslord 3 points a year ago path: 0 15825054 15826748, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
MithranArkanere 41 points a year ago

Let's just rename the EU to "United Earth" like in Star Trek, since Australia is practically in it already on account of being in Eurovision.

That way we don't need to change the initials, just swap them.

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HK65 28 points a year ago

Earth United would be better, no need to even change the merch.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 10 points a year ago

That's the soccer team.

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Apocalypteroid 12 points a year ago

They always lose on penalties to fuckin Mars, man

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Enkers 3 points a year ago

The refs are such hacks. If they weren't on the take from MarsX Mining Co. those marties wouldn't stand a chance against us.

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Obi 1 point a year ago

Of course, all of these variations will still be different/inverted in french, which is already in the Union Européenne (UE) today.

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RelativityRanger 28 points a year ago

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Madison420 2 points a year ago

I mean we did kinda get our asses kicked in 1812 after we started a war the president would later say we were unprepared for.

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lazynooblet 22 points a year ago

#canadentry

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RedAggroBest 22 points a year ago

How about the US just becomes provinces 14-64? I'll gladly take anything else.

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Sloogs 16 points a year ago

Nah sorry we're not taking the red states. They can be their own Christofascist hell elsewhere.

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MediocreBee 17 points a year ago

Can I raise you the proposal of Canada and Jesusland

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vane 3 points a year ago

this looks like a dragon head with cat / dragon torso and cat legs

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Gammelfisch 1 point a year ago

Indeed, I like that map.

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viking 4 points a year ago

Alaska needs to be integrated though, don't want another Kaliningrad.

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match 3 points a year ago

make a list of the ones y'all want we can work out a deal

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Phoenicianpirate 1 point a year ago

So just all of new england, the pacific northwest and California.

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Jumi 3 points a year ago

California already goes to Denmark though

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rumba 12 points a year ago

You want more convoys? Ingesting the US will give you nothing but cancer. If it's not a city or a suburb, you're just absorbing indoctrinated fascism. It's pervasive.

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CanadianCorhen 4 points a year ago

Yea, I'll take the top 20.

Mexico can take the bottom 30

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Albbi 20 points a year ago

I'm not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it's some sort of gotcha. It doesn't mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.

The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.

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AlolanVulpix 14 points a year ago

It's not about being a "gotcha" - it's about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.

You're right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:

  1. Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.

  2. Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it's "too complex" or "un-Canadian" becomes much harder to maintain.

  3. Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.

The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don't extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.

The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.

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Taiatari 3 points a year ago

I get what you are saying, but the UK joined the EU with FPTP voting and left the EU because of FPTP. So while I agree that exposure might change things I do doubt it.

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Aceticon 2 points a year ago

From all I've having lived in a couple of countries in the EU (including the UK), exposure to Proportional Vote in the EU Parliament Election seems to have zero impact on people wanting it for other election, maybe because EU MPs are too far away from most people and don't really get all that much news coverage, unlike the national politics of a country.

Mind you, personally exposure to Proportional Vote when I was living in The Netherlands has definitely made my mind in favour of it, especially after I moved to Britain and was exposed to their shit-show FPTP voting system (worse than my own country of Portugal which as multi-representant electoral circles, so way less Democratic than PR but nowhere as bad as FPTP).

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Mongostein 13 points a year ago

A lot of people don’t get it until they see it in action.

My union recently had a vote about increasing health benefits. “No” won in one of the categories because there were 3 options for how much to increase it by. (Yes won by 76% while the no beat the top yes 24% to 23%)

I pointed this out at the next meeting and we had a vote and struck the no vote. Later a bunch of people said thanks for pointing that out, and my reply was “no sweat, we have the same problem with our elections.”

Then everyone applauded and Einstein gave me a piece of π. Just kidding, it was more like weird looks and a couple agreements, but I like to think I brought the issue to a few people’s attention.

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AChiTenshi 12 points a year ago

Because it's a step towards proportional representation. It would expose much more of the populace to how it's done. Hopefully getting more people used to the idea of it.

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ohulancutash 1 point a year ago

England, Wales and Scotland had EU PR elections for 15 years, but England still rejected PR at referendum.

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BCsven 3 points a year ago

There would be voting changes , I believe, something about EU membership requiring a certain type of voting system. Eg. Not FPP

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HK65 2 points a year ago

Hungary's system is half proportional, half FPP on steroids, but it's just as bad as FPP since our FPP lets the winner not just take the seat, but also extra votes into the proportional part of the race.

So, no, the EU is fine with everything, the only thing is that EU citizens have to be able to vote in local elections wherever we live, regardless of citizenship. That means if you join, and I rent a place in Toronto and move in, I get a vote for the Toronto mayor on day one.

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Panamalt 15 points a year ago

Might be some geographical issues (perhaps of the ocean variety) with this proposal

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threelonmusketeers 23 points a year ago

Well, Ireland is separated from the rest of the continent by ocean. Canada is just a slightly bigger island, slightly further away...

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el_eh_chase 9 points a year ago

There is French territory just off the coast of Newfoundland too (see Saint Pierre and Miquelon), also Denmark is right next door because of Greenland. So while still pretty far fetched, there is some precedent for European territory in North America.

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dankm 9 points a year ago

Canada shares a land border with Greenland on Hans Island.

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UnderpantsWeevil 4 points a year ago

Ireland is separated from the rest of the continent by ocean.

The Celtic Sea is not an ocean.

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rabber 2 points a year ago

By that logic then Vancouver Island isn't an island because the Juan de Fuca is a strait not an ocean

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UnderpantsWeevil 2 points a year ago

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Crozekiel 2 points a year ago

They didn't say Ireland wasn't an island because of it... But, for the record, Canada isn't an island anyway so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Obi 9 points a year ago

Maybe canada can be the first member of a post-European EU. I guess we'll need a new name.

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SenorBlanco 5 points a year ago

Earth United!

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Ensign_Crab 8 points a year ago

Sounds like a football club that has no one to play against.

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SomethingBurger 4 points a year ago

Cyprus is already the first non-European EU member.

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NewDay 2 points a year ago

Earthed Union the EU.

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AES_Enjoyer -5 points a year ago

White supremacist imperialist conglomerate (non-US version)?

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UnderpantsWeevil 5 points a year ago

Once again, we are forced to raise the lingering question: Are Italians White?

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match 2 points a year ago

new caledonia and french guiana are laughing it up from the southern hemisphere

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theacharnian 14 points a year ago

Guys guys guys, let's be good friends with the EU, let's even adopt some of their best policies, but honestly, they also have some baggage we don't need.

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Taiatari 8 points a year ago

Believe me, we don't want Orban either..

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JuxtaposedJaguar 5 points a year ago

I just want to be sovereign. How is that so hard for people to understand?

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jerkface 0 points a year ago

EU members are all sovereign, brexiter.

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JuxtaposedJaguar 2 points a year ago

I’m Canadian.

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jerkface 0 points a year ago

No, I understand that. I was making a rhetorical point. You're making the same uninformed argument that was behind brexit.

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beejboytyson 4 points a year ago

Ya both those prospects seem "Colonial"

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jerkface 0 points a year ago

Worth it.

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Gammelfisch 13 points a year ago

Why not? I would vote yes to allow Canada into the EU.

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GooberEar 11 points a year ago

I'm super jealous because I've wanted to have Canadian citizenship since back in my late teens / early adulthood when I realized that there was already a version of America that actually lived up to American ideals and which offered same-sex marriage as well as universal healthcare. That weed and apparently codeine are legal there make it so much more bittersweet.

The only people I've known personally to get citizenship are those who married a Canadian citizen. Which sucks for me because I'm already happily partnered and there's no way I'd give that up for anything, not even Canadian citizenship, awesome and appealing as it is.

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drthunder 6 points a year ago

Maybe if/when the US invades, if we fight for Canada they'll give us citizenship.

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silverlose 2 points a year ago

FWIW I obviously don’t have the power to approve that but I would certainly vote to make that a thing!

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drthunder 1 point a year ago
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BonesOfTheMoon 2 points a year ago

I had an American friend who married a Canadian. It took SO much work to get her permanent resident card, like a lawyer and everything.

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WorldsDumbestMan 1 point a year ago

Unfortunately, Canada has MAID, and also likes to deny healthcare to natives in the hopes that they will just die.

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jerkface 3 points a year ago

Fortunately, Canada has MAID. Unfortunately, Canada has MAID in place of meaningful care.

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silverlose 2 points a year ago

Shocking. Do you have a source for that?

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silverlose 2 points a year ago

Thank you so much for linking that! I really appreciate it. Usually a lot of people get mad when I ask for a source. I just wanna learn!

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jerkface 0 points a year ago

Legal marriage and having a life partner are not the same thing. I'll marry you and my partner will marry your partner, no big deal.

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FelixMortane 10 points a year ago

Yes please, I will vote to support this.

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rex_meatman 9 points a year ago

Can’t we just harvest the states that want to leave?

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androidul 9 points a year ago

The EU 🇪🇺 is more than welcome to include Canada 🇨🇦 as the 28th member state 🤝

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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol 8 points a year ago
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Obi 3 points a year ago

Any reasons why these two neighborhoods go against the grain? Are they the posh suburbs?

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phorq 2 points a year ago

As someone from a South Jersey suburb of Philly: take me with you!

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PersnickityPenguin 0 points a year ago

No, you guys know what you've done

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smuuthbrane 8 points a year ago

#28thnever51st

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Kolanaki 7 points a year ago

When "the big one™" hits, can California join either of y'all?

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BonesOfTheMoon 6 points a year ago

Absolutely but only if you drop the Maga people off in Utah on the way out.

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PumpkinSkink 6 points a year ago

Türkiye is gonna be pissed.

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GrackleBirb 2 points a year ago

Türkiye needs to get rid of its Erdoğan problem then.

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Uranus_Hz 6 points a year ago

Washington, Oregon, and California as Canada’s 12th province. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and the northern 20% of Illinois and Indiana as the 13th.

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rabber 2 points a year ago

I only hear Americans pitching this idea. Canada doesn't want any of the states haha

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MystikIncarnate 1 point a year ago

I'm Canadian, I don't hate the idea.

In any case, it's clear that the USA is less "United" these days.... It's more just ... The States of America now.

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rabber 1 point a year ago

There's like a lot of shitty people even in those states. I love Washington but no thanks.

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Uranus_Hz 1 point a year ago

Wouldn’t need to stick exactly to the current state boundaries. Trim off the eastern parts of some of those states on the west coast. And get enough territory to fully encircle the Great Lakes, extended enough to include Minneapolis, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, all of Michigan, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and parts of upstate New York.

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MystikIncarnate 1 point a year ago

Idk. I haven't met enough people from any of these states to have an opinion.

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Uranus_Hz 1 point a year ago

The sane ones of us who live in those states are desperate. Soory

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jaschen 2 points a year ago

Which is all part of the EU. Sign me up

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europeanfan122 6 points a year ago

Wouldn’t mind it one bit

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brezel 6 points a year ago

I (from yrp) would absolutely love this <3

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Zink 6 points a year ago

At a minimum any states bordering Canada, including those bordering the 4 Great Lakes shared with Canada, should get a vote of which country to go with.

Pennsylvania is 100% included, and honestly if Indiana and Illinois go for it despite being on the “wrong” Great Lake, I’m not going to complain.

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BonesOfTheMoon 5 points a year ago

You can give us Buffalo any day. I love that city so much.

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lemmydividebyzero 5 points a year ago

We have already rejected Morocco because of geographical reasons...

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CanadaPlus 5 points a year ago

But Cyprus is already in. And really, how sure are we that was the real main reason?

Failing that, we'll just have to slum it with Norway and Switzerland.

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ptu 2 points a year ago

Still have Australia and Israel so

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belastend 9 points a year ago

Eurovision Song Contest, European Union, whats the difference?

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aim_at_me 3 points a year ago

It's the same picture.

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ptu 2 points a year ago

Lol I wasn’t aware they applied to EU, fair call

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Auli 5 points a year ago

Honestly do people think this we'll happen cause Brussels has already said no.

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Jay 6 points a year ago

Brussels can suck my balls we'll wait 6 months and Strasbourg is in power ez bro

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deadlyduplicate 5 points a year ago

Back to supporting CANZUK then

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Rivalarrival 3 points a year ago

Canada should totally call Trump's bluff. The GOP would lose their everloving shit at the prospect of another state the size and political leanings of California involved in US federal elections.

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Gimpydude 2 points a year ago

It would be amazing if Canada made a bunch of demands that would be seen as unreasonable. Like, demand that every Canadian province and territory be split in two, and each be admitted as it's own state. That would add 26 new states! There's no way the US would go for that. I'm American, I hate this administration and I have been to Canada many times. Anything that Canada can do to mess with these morons in office would be welcome.

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chiliedogg 3 points a year ago

Let the GOP force them to become a state. They'd get 2 senate seats and more electoral college votes and congressional seats than any other state. Just in time for the Dems to run on deannexing Canada.

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Franklin 12 points a year ago

I'm a bad feeling they'd Puerto Rico us

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BlackSheep 6 points a year ago
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alcoholicorn 2 points a year ago

Territories are still citizens, who can vote when they reside in states. If 2-3% of Canada immigrated, that's 1 million people, which would shift the balance in a lot of places.

Of course, even if you shifted 10 seats in the Senate, the democrats would probably give republicans half the budget and let them write their own bills in the name of bipartisanship (again), and you'd quickly become as hopeless as the average american is in the democrats helping them.

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BlackSheep 3 points a year ago
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JigglySackles 3 points a year ago

Pretty please yes! I would love to leave to US for the EU. But that hop across the water is very difficult for me to afford.

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GrackleBirb 2 points a year ago

I'd be happy if we could just join the EEA. I want to be able to work in the EU.

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NewDay 1 point a year ago

I think it is not that hard for you if you are a Canadian citizen. The language is the real problem.

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GrackleBirb 1 point a year ago

It is as difficult for us as it is for an American. It's not very common to be able to get a work permit without an employer sponsoring you and most EU employers have enough selection in Europe they don't need people from North America.

I speak French (fluent), Spanish (good but not well enough for a formal workplace), and enough Danish to make myself understood

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tacobellhop 2 points a year ago

Is Canada having issues with sovereign autonomy? Why even sit at the table?

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Devanismyname 1 point a year ago

Don't all member states have to vote us in? Can't see that happening.

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tatann 5 points a year ago

Especially with Hungary's russian asset in command (yeah, we also have a Trump in Europe...)

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NewDay 1 point a year ago

Orban has to vote for Canada. Why? His regime will be over in 14 days if he does not get the EU money. Orban's biggest rival is in first place according to the latest polls. If he wants to be re-elected, he cannot sabotage EU policy.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 4 points a year ago

Another rich country paying membership fees. Why not? (Ignoring general bureaucratic problems)

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KingPorkChop 3 points a year ago

As a Canadian, we promise to bring cake (and a shitload of natural resources) to the next meeting.

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rmuk 5 points a year ago

Fuck your cake. Fuck your natural resources. Fuck your bilungualism, affable manner, vast wildernesses and extensive waters. Keep them. We don't want them.

WE JUST WANT THE POUTINE.

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KingPorkChop 4 points a year ago

K.

Would you like extra gravy with that?

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Devanismyname 1 point a year ago

Sure, most will view it like that. But Hungary won't. Poland might not.

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turnip 1 point a year ago

Get that CBDC in early so we are ready for their failed policies and quarterly bailout.

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milicent_bystandr -1 points a year ago

Make Commonwealth Imperial Again!

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Tw4tnoM0r3 -10 points a year ago
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